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I completely agree with the below comment. The article is informal bordering on sensationalistic, and highly biased. The entire Anlauf-Lenck murders section appears to be lifted directly from the John Koehler "Stasi" book, which is fine but there's no reason to write it like a 10 cent drama or a cops n' robbers crime flick. Citing a historian who calls him a dictator is one thing, but the entire page is full of disparaging remarks. "Ulbricht uncritically followed Stalin..." "Goods were of shoddy quality..." "Ulbricht remained loyal to Marxist-Leninist principles throughout his life, rarely able or willing to make compromises. Inflexible and unlikeable, a "widely-loathed Stalinist bureaucrat well known for his tactics denouncing rivals",[31] he was an unlikely figure to attract much public affection or admiration." Whereas the police captain shot is a sympathetic figure - a 'recently widowed man with three daughters". the Captain gasped, "Wiedersehen... Gruss..." ("So Long... Goodbye..."). (I'm deleting the section.) The article could easily be rewritten from the complete opposite to portray Ulbricht as a brave revolutionary fighting Nazi fascism and American imperialism, and would be just as misleading a caricature.
This article is not written in a neutral style, it needs to look more like an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.120.32 ( talk) 20:22, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
This article could really do with some expansion. Ulbricht was head of the DDR for 22 years! He's a major historical figure and worthy of a much longer article -- compare the length of this one with the one on Erich Honecker -- Palthrow 06:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Had to quit ... I had to quit reading this topic when I realized it was a hatchet-job on Ulbricht who seemed to be surrounded by more corpses than Jessica Fletcher in a season of her TV shows, except he was their killer. Ha! I could not trust what I was reading and gave up. What a shame that Wikipedia has allowed itself to be used for brazen propaganda. We live and learn.-- OrodesIII ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I agree that it is a biased article. For example, the statement "Ulbricht presided over the total suppression of civil and political rights in the East German state, which functioned as a communist-ruled dictatorship from its founding in 1949 onward." is extreme and not referenced by any neutral historical text. Who is going to repair this hatchet job? Petersmillard ( talk) 14:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
I added quite a lot of text, some drawn from my own work, some translated from the German Wikipedia, but much needs further expansion, particularly about the significant years 1965-1971. -- ilja.nieuwland
Did he fight in the Spanish Civil War? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 ( talk) 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
the article states "Ulbricht attended the International Lenin School of the Comintern in Moscow in 1924/1925" but that school was founded in 1926 (according to the link). Can someone fix the inconsistency? The article in German is silent on the period. Incidentally, can anyone say whether & where Ulbricht met Lenin? (as he later bragged to Brezhnev). Coughinink 15:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks for all the pointers; I wish someone more informed than I would update the article on this and other areas. Coughinink 11:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Why do the gravestones of Ulbricht, Pieck and Grotewohl all look identical? Sca ( talk) 16:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you reversed my removal of the Kocka quote as the question whether "was the GDR a dictatorship / what were its policies is a major question for legacy of Ulbricht as #1)". If so, then the text needs to be embedded better and that statement made explicit. As things stand now, it is a rather misplaced appendix to this paragraph.
Note: one might also argue that Ulbricht's legacy and the GDR's legacy are not at all the same thing. You could admire Ulbricht for his political stamina, and simultaneously denounce him and the state he headed for moral reasons.
-- Ilja.nieuwland ( talk) 23:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 06:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Ulbricht managed to achieve this position despite having a peculiarly squeaky falsetto voice. His Saxon accent, combined with the high register of his voice, made his speeches sound incomprehensible at times.
This I must hear, but couldn't find any recordings of him.. what a shame. I must say, the inclusion of that sentence is rather a tease to readers if we can't find a way to hear it. It's not like he's of an era where audio recording wasn't possible. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 04:55, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Nothing of the sort It is common for hostile narrators to attribute high falsetto voices to their targets. I have heard the same for any number of people and I used to believe it until I heard a recording of Heinrich Himmler which was nothing of the sort. -- OrodesIII ( talk) 14:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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I completely agree with the below comment. The article is informal bordering on sensationalistic, and highly biased. The entire Anlauf-Lenck murders section appears to be lifted directly from the John Koehler "Stasi" book, which is fine but there's no reason to write it like a 10 cent drama or a cops n' robbers crime flick. Citing a historian who calls him a dictator is one thing, but the entire page is full of disparaging remarks. "Ulbricht uncritically followed Stalin..." "Goods were of shoddy quality..." "Ulbricht remained loyal to Marxist-Leninist principles throughout his life, rarely able or willing to make compromises. Inflexible and unlikeable, a "widely-loathed Stalinist bureaucrat well known for his tactics denouncing rivals",[31] he was an unlikely figure to attract much public affection or admiration." Whereas the police captain shot is a sympathetic figure - a 'recently widowed man with three daughters". the Captain gasped, "Wiedersehen... Gruss..." ("So Long... Goodbye..."). (I'm deleting the section.) The article could easily be rewritten from the complete opposite to portray Ulbricht as a brave revolutionary fighting Nazi fascism and American imperialism, and would be just as misleading a caricature.
This article is not written in a neutral style, it needs to look more like an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.120.32 ( talk) 20:22, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
This article could really do with some expansion. Ulbricht was head of the DDR for 22 years! He's a major historical figure and worthy of a much longer article -- compare the length of this one with the one on Erich Honecker -- Palthrow 06:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Had to quit ... I had to quit reading this topic when I realized it was a hatchet-job on Ulbricht who seemed to be surrounded by more corpses than Jessica Fletcher in a season of her TV shows, except he was their killer. Ha! I could not trust what I was reading and gave up. What a shame that Wikipedia has allowed itself to be used for brazen propaganda. We live and learn.-- OrodesIII ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I agree that it is a biased article. For example, the statement "Ulbricht presided over the total suppression of civil and political rights in the East German state, which functioned as a communist-ruled dictatorship from its founding in 1949 onward." is extreme and not referenced by any neutral historical text. Who is going to repair this hatchet job? Petersmillard ( talk) 14:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
I added quite a lot of text, some drawn from my own work, some translated from the German Wikipedia, but much needs further expansion, particularly about the significant years 1965-1971. -- ilja.nieuwland
Did he fight in the Spanish Civil War? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 ( talk) 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
the article states "Ulbricht attended the International Lenin School of the Comintern in Moscow in 1924/1925" but that school was founded in 1926 (according to the link). Can someone fix the inconsistency? The article in German is silent on the period. Incidentally, can anyone say whether & where Ulbricht met Lenin? (as he later bragged to Brezhnev). Coughinink 15:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks for all the pointers; I wish someone more informed than I would update the article on this and other areas. Coughinink 11:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Why do the gravestones of Ulbricht, Pieck and Grotewohl all look identical? Sca ( talk) 16:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you reversed my removal of the Kocka quote as the question whether "was the GDR a dictatorship / what were its policies is a major question for legacy of Ulbricht as #1)". If so, then the text needs to be embedded better and that statement made explicit. As things stand now, it is a rather misplaced appendix to this paragraph.
Note: one might also argue that Ulbricht's legacy and the GDR's legacy are not at all the same thing. You could admire Ulbricht for his political stamina, and simultaneously denounce him and the state he headed for moral reasons.
-- Ilja.nieuwland ( talk) 23:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 06:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Ulbricht managed to achieve this position despite having a peculiarly squeaky falsetto voice. His Saxon accent, combined with the high register of his voice, made his speeches sound incomprehensible at times.
This I must hear, but couldn't find any recordings of him.. what a shame. I must say, the inclusion of that sentence is rather a tease to readers if we can't find a way to hear it. It's not like he's of an era where audio recording wasn't possible. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 04:55, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Nothing of the sort It is common for hostile narrators to attribute high falsetto voices to their targets. I have heard the same for any number of people and I used to believe it until I heard a recording of Heinrich Himmler which was nothing of the sort. -- OrodesIII ( talk) 14:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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