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The allegation that Walt Disney was an antisemite has been the subject of jokes on both The Simpsons and Family Guy. I think that makes the allegation prominent enough to be confirmed or denied in the article, if only in brief. As in, "Rumors that Disney was an antisemite, the subject of jokes on The Simpsons and Family Guy, are unproven." Or that the rumors are true. One way or the other. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 02:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
That's a crappy way of introducing the subject of anti-semitism regarding Walt Disney in this article. I mean, that would allow other users to say anything, like: "Contrary to my neighbour's statements to the public, Walt Disney was not a horse molesting, porn loving, child molester." There are many rumors and myths surrounding the man And being the internet, there'd be ton of idiots waiting to make such statements.
However, there have been several books that have spoken in detail about his political activities, personal behaviour and his alleged anti-semitism. Quote from a propper source instead of Family guy or the Simpsons. A good place to start would be with something like: Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince by Marc Eliot. But, to be honest, there's not a lot of evidence to support the claim and most of it is hearsay and conjecture. ( Bobbo9000 ( talk) 17:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC))
^^ Absolutely. ( Bobbo9000 ( talk) 01:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
I don't know where this information originates from, but it seems like it's correct to me. 89.197.79.238 ( talk) 03:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
(od) German press loves to blame the evils of Nazism on everyone except the Germans, Der Spiegel is a good example for that. Disney admired Riefenstahl's work from the 30's, indicated so when they met, when Disney also stated he could not hire Riefenstahl because of the potential impact on his reputation. As for allegations of anti-Semitism, Marc Elliot's book isn't sourced well enough for the claims he makes.
More generally, Europe before WWII was a nationalistic mess where autocracy and dictatorship were more admired as expressions of strength than despotic evil incarnate. There were movements toward autocracy in the U.S. as well.
I have no problem with the article representing centrist (and well-sourced in whatever references are cited) views on more controversial aspects of Disney's politics, but that he was a Jew-hating fascist and the article is tagged as NPOV because his evil side is not covered in detail is, I'm sorry, quite inappropriate. And, BTW, who here in this discussion is actually old enough to remember Disney?
PetersV
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06:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I suggest Brode's "Multiculturalism and the Mouse" where you can read how Disney and his studio actually dealt with stereotypes (popular as humor in the 30's) and with Jewish actors (more supportive than any other studio). I'll be deleting the recently added tag. PetersV TALK 06:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
There is a WIki article ot a book that discusses aspects of Disney's work which provoked the above criticisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood%27s_dark_prince The fact that this article has no 'Criticisms' section shoes not that there are no reliable rererences, there are PLENTY. It shows that Disney has a stranglehold on this page. Exactly what WIkipedia and it's community must work against. 122.107.171.30 ( talk) 12:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Without being in a position of authority (yet) to say add any substance those claims of anti-semitism, I just wanted to add that coming here I was pretty surprised that the article doesn't even mention them. Like somebody said above, references to Disney's anti-semitism are all over the place in popular culture, and personally that prompted me to come to this page to find out more about it. Just to give you an example of such a reference, take The Daily Show, 2007-06-05, where a piece by Rob Riggles says the following: Walt Disney had a dream. To build an amusement park where millions of children could come to experience the happiest place on earth. He also had another dream: that his head would be frozen. So one day he could be brought back to a world...without Jews. Of course this kind of thing doesn't prove anything, but it definitely indicates that claims of anti-semitism are there in the discourse. Also apparently there's a book out on the subject, as mentioned above, and overrated or not, it's been deemed worthy of publishing by major publishing houses, and it has seen several editions. If that doesn't warrant at least a paragraph, then what will? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodp ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
i agree that there should be mention to this matter. i also came to wikipedia to find out if these allegations were true (at least to find another page to confirm this). you won't find it in disney's web page, duh. just because in ford.com you won't find that henry ford was an antisemite, it doesn't mean that he wasn't. to be a nazi in the 30's may not mean that you were an antisemite, only if you were IN germany (1- propaganda and the fact of living in a totalitarian regime with controlled media, 2- and i'm not justifying, but some people cared more about inflation and war reparations than about jews, which is also terrible).-- Camilorojas ( talk) 20:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll never understand how this rumor become so popular over the last few years. It comes out of nowhere and everyone uses it for a joke. I don't get it, it isn't funny. Maybe it's not mentioned in the article because it's: #1. Not a funny joke. #2. Not true. -- blm07 であります! 15:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Straight from disney Creative Explosion: Walt's Political Outlook. Americans in the early/mid 20th century had general image of discrimination towards different ethnicities, political agendas, and religion. Jews were no exception. While not "concrete, Walt Disney did ally himself with popular political/social groups that tended to promote antisemitic views. Reputed author Neal Gabler wrote a a biography containing a short perspective on Disney's alleged-antisemitic believes.
Here are the facts: We have two books, one by Neal Gabler titled "The Triumph of the American Imagination", and Marc Eliot's " Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince", in addition to the various sources providing commentary and other op/eds which can be found via google. All this considered, we definitely have enough information to, in the least, include a section on antisemitism/racism, perhaps "allegations of antisemitism" or more NPOV/PC "Controversies". Title is up to consensus anyways. There is no evidence that says "OMG WALT DISNEY WAS A JEW HATING BASTARD", but there is a lot of fluff and mainstream recognition to support at minimum an allegations section. Yes, it's controversial, and yes some users might be offended, but the sources are there. We as editors don't have the official privilege of imposing our POV on the article. I could not care less what you think of Disney, your views on the books above, or why you think "it isn't a fact." I really don't, because I don't need to. If the information talks about it, and it is notable, then we have to include it. We can't axe books because it they're debunked fringe-theories.
Someone mentioned how Disney can't offer a rebuttal (I think, don't crucify me here), but many people have responded in his name, including Disney (link I posted above). And linking Eliot's book would be beneficial to a supporter, as it has a infinite amount of reviewers who have chastised him as writing...err...bullshit. Look, I'm all for consensus and collaboration, but from what I've read this whole discussion has been either a serious misunderstanding or a comedic play. The argument shouldn't start at yes/no but how/what. Crafting the paragraph shouldn't be too hard, but I predict a lot of reverts especially considering the rather-emotional involvement from some of the users here. Wikifan12345 ( talk) 05:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I have not seen a single place on this page where one of the people against including the information has replied to the numerous verifiable sources (that this rumor EXISTS, not that it is TRUE) that others have posted. Urban legends are an established and accepted topic for Wikipedia to cover, regardless of whether Your Highness believes it to be beneath them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.165.197 ( talk) 06:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
The fact that the majority of the discussion page is dedicated to a discussion on Disney's possible antisemitism warrants a mention of it in the article. This website is intended to be objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 ( talk) 02:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe that anyone here arguing against the mere inclusion of information regarding allegations of anti-Semitism does not understand the purpose of Wikipedia. This is a democratic encyclopedia. No one should have the final say on what should NOT be included in one of these articles, provided that the party adding the information has legitimate sources to back them up. The persons in this discussion who feel the need to down-play the rumors and allegations of anything negative regarding Walt Disney to the point where their very existence should, in their opinion, be unavailable to the public have no business operating on this site. Whether or not Disney was a Nazi sympathizer, it is clear that these users are Disney sympathizers at the very least. Censorship of information that supports a certain opinion simply because it discredits one's own opinion is not only immoral in the eye of the popularly-provided media that the internet plays host to but illogical if one claims to have society's best interests at heart. Censorship of this degree, especially in this place, is dangerous and malignant, at best. I believe that the burden of proof against the anti-Semitic allegations is on those users that claim that stance. I provide this evidence to support the opposing viewpoint (namely, that Walt Disney was not only an anti-Semite but also that both the man and the corporation had many faults which demand further inquiry from citizens subject to the Corporations media propaganda):
Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World. New York: Ballantine, 1998.
Dorfman, Ariel, and Armand Mattelarts. How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic. 1971. New York: International General, 1975.
Eliot, Marc. Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince. New York: Birch Lane P, 1993.
Kuenz, Jane. "Working at the Rat." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 110-62.
Klugman, Karen. "Under the Influence." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 98-109.
Sayers, Francis Clarke. "Walt Disney Accused: Interview with Charles M. Weisenberg." Horn Book XLI (1965): 602-11.
Ross, Andrew. The Celebration Chronicles: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property Value in Disney's New Town. New York: Ballantine, 1999.
Schickel, Richard. The Disney Version: The Life, Times, Art and Commerce of Walt Disney. 1968. Chicago: Ivan R. Dee Publisher, 1997.
Weber, Jonathan. "The Ever-Expanding, Profit-Maximizing, Cultural-Imperialist, Wonderful World of Disney." Wired. 10.02 (Feb. 2002): 70-79.
Byrne, Elenor, and Martin McQuillan. Deconstructing Disney. London: Pluto P, 1999.
Bell, Elizabeth, Lynda Haas, and Laura Sells. "Introduction: Walt's in the Movies." From Mouse to Mermaid: The Politics of Film, Gender, and Culture. Ed. Elizabeth Bell, Lynda Haas and Laura Sells. Bloomington: Indiana UP, 1995. 1-17.
Shortsleeve, Kevin. "The Wonderful World of the Depression: Disney, Despotism, and the 1930s. Or, Why Disney Scares Us". The Lion and the Unicorn , Volume 28, Number 1, January 2004, pp. 1-30 (Article)
I think that the list provided should be enough at present. Users, feel free to take advantage of this, and to explore these articles and films. Whether or not you find enough evidence for anti-Semitic leanings or allegations does not concern me as much as whether or not the opponents to Disney criticism still have an argument. Rhetoric, evidence, and published fact discrediting the popular views of Disney exist.
FiftytwoPercent (
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Personally I think it is meritted. When I first looked at this page, the fact there was not a section regarding these allegations was the first thing I noticed. Givememoney17 ( talk) 04:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
As a passerby, I too note that the only reason I came here was to get some RELIABLE information on THE SOURCES of the rumors that Disney was an anti-semite. Due to this white-wash, I have to resort to Google and less reliable sources. Of course, my opinion doesn't matter because I'm not part of the clique of editors with bots at their disposal and infinite time to shout everyone down on discussion pages. And apparently from what I've seen on Wikipedia, it is enough for an editor, no matter how strident their tone or how blatantly they are acting against WP, to revert edits and dominate the discussion for a couple of months before the argument dies down and they get their way. After that, anyone like me who tries to weigh in is basically shouting into the wind. But seriously, the disgustingly self-righteous, contemptuous, commanding tone of PetersV ALONE should be proof that he belongs nowhere near this article. Phrases like "Qué lástima that those looking for that crap here can't find it" shows that this guy is inherently hostile to the mission of Wikipedia and is treating it as his own moral domain. Unfortunately this tone is all too common among the "higher-up" Wiki editors. How utterly sad and pathetic that Wikipedia is such a magnet for insecure people needing to be on some kind of power trip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.165.197 ( talk) 06:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It is obvious what is happening here. Some of those that have been considered fellow ediotrs with an honest interest in the truth have abused this trust to preserve the common public image of Walt Disney. This is naturally an abuse of the wikipedia forum, an open environment to offer facts up for public review. The nature of the situation is this: we have editors in our midst that have an ulterior motive. They have not offered any evidence against the evidence of the accusers. They have attempted to use malicious rhetoric to demean them into thinking that the accusations are too absurd to even be proposed. Naturally, I disciourage this behavior. Once the defendants in this debate have proven both that all of the accusers' evidential claims are incorrect, and that they themselves are not working for a third party, such as the Disney corporation itself. Some may laugh at the plausibility of this new claim, but I believe it to be completely logical that a company would try to protect one of its greatest assets (Disney's untarnished image) from being dismantled on one of the internet's most-visited web sites. Once the defendants of the late Walt Disney's purity have presented evidence that discounts my claims, only then will I back down. And, I will only do so to regroup and strike again! Ignorance is proliferated by the interests of certain corporations like this one, and I do not think that any right-minded individual will stand for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.168.2 ( talk) 18:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Since there have been no further contributions to this discussion for over a week, I am going to go ahead and add a short, objective mention of the anti-Semitism accusations, as described above, citing Gabler as a reference. DoctorJoeE ( talk) 14:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
after the war , on December 10 , 1945 , Disney found the prints of the 1924 silent movie , Peter Pan has been an lost film , it is now translated in two-color Technicolor and its televison and flim showings, according to the 1998 vhs released of Peter Pan an 1953 flim , Disney watches the talkie version in color , when prdocution on Peter Pan begin in December 6, 1952 with the priemiere of MGMs' Singing in the Rain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.47.122 ( talk) 17:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I was surprised to find nothing here about Walt Disney's record as a Nazi sympathizer. I'd add it myself, but lack the necessary sources to do so properly. If anyone else does have such documentation, please help improve the article in this respect. Thank you. RobertAustin ( talk) 11:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's a reliable source that there is a little evidence that he may have been a nazi sympathiser: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1623/was-walt-disney-a-fascist - to be honest, the fact that even the allegations aren't mentioned in the article smack of bias/ POV. I see lower on this page that people are refusing to even mention the allegations because apparently they are not common enough to warrant it. But Google returns 474,000 hits for ' walt disney nazi ' - this article smacks of bias. I have no idea wheather Walt was a nazi sympathizer, but the allegation is well know, note worthy, and has a little supporting evidence, including: Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette with a swastika on it in an early short, alleged attendance of meetings of a pro-nazi group, a number of anti-semetic jokes in short films, and admired the work of Leni Riefenstahl. If one wanted to really over analyze, one might ask why in The Jungle Book, all the animals are voiced by white actors except the apes, who have black voices. Walt Disney was not a Nazi sympathizer. I know that because I read it in a book. 82.35.102.252 ( talk) 19:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
What does fascisim have do do with nazisim Chard513 ( talk) 17:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, the Nazis were fascists. It's not a huge stretch to see Walt Disney as a nazi sympathizer, considering he attended parties hosted by the Nazi's american sympathizers, and especially given the dodgy subtext of his films. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.24.53 ( talk) 12:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Found this documentary:
But whether or not the accusations are true, this article is WAY TOO SUGAR COATED! Also, there was a lot of controversy around the Disney strike so that part should be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.167.56 ( talk) 07:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
allright, so there may not be sources that confirm or disprove disneys antisemitism, but i think that being such a relied upon source wikipedia has the obligation to atleast NOTE that such allegations (may it or may it not be true) are obviously existent and widely spread at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.68.216 ( talk) 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Lillian died in 1997, not 1966. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.117.47 ( talk) 07:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of the disney war effort in reqaurds to the cartoons made during the war. One was called "An Education FOR DEATH" and featured the life of a nazi child and how he was bred for the war machine. It's very creepy to hear some voice you know from Winnie the pooh in a nazi cartoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW-3YC2IVQ
The other I've seen shows Donald duck working in a German bomb factorey until he wakes up at the end and see's he's in his bed in america and it was all a bad dream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNF86jBByDg&feature=related
I do not know for sure how Walt felt about the Jewish people or the Nazi party but to sweep certian things under the rug to paint history or a person in only the best possible light subtracts from his humanity and is a diservice to The world as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.181.211 ( talk) 20:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to propose that we create a new section, potentially called Urban Legends, addressing various urban legends about Disney. Obviously, the cryogenics UL would be mentioned (as it is in the article now, under Death), but we'd also address Disney's alleged Nazi/Fascist ties (the evidence of which seems to be either inconclusive or non-existent, depending on your source). If nobody has a problem with this, I'd like to go ahead and make these edits, but I'll certainly wait for some consensus beforehand, seeing as how several flamewars have broken out on the discussions page in the past few months. Thanks for any input. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 20:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Walt Disney was a despicable human being, and the only criticism of his repugnant behaviour grudgingly accepted on this article is his reprehensible appearance before the HUAC. There really needs to be a serious examination of the edit histories and IP addresses of those responsible for this puff-piece to establish their motivation and correct the article. DublinDilettante ( talk) 04:32, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's so much the fact that Disney was a horrible person, but that he grew up in a different time. The founding fathers of America kept slaves and some were incredibly racist. Doesn't make them horrible people, it just makes them people of a different time. Modern values weren't around in the 1930's. Racism doesn't make you a horrible person, many people were indoctrinated by racism because they were surrounded by it and took it for granted, like a lot of religious people do depending on what country they are from. You ever wonder why Americans are Christians and Iranians are Islamic? Because they are surrounded by it and the option doesn't occur to them until after years of being subjected to people saying that it's true. Same thing goes for racism. If you are raised in a household filled with racist people, then you will probably be racist too. I live in Texas and I see this happen all the time. The kid is racist, all I have to do is look at his family or friends, odds are someone is racist in it. The kid is christian, odds are he/she was raised in a christian house hold or had christian friends. Now, people convert to different religions and they can just as easily convert to not being racist, but here's the kicker, it isn't easy. If something such as religion or racism is so incredibly deep rooted that giving it up (converting to a different religion, not being racist) than it is hard. Think about it. If someone associates X religion with their childhood, their parents, and their success than you won't convert them (this can go the other way around too. I know plenty of atheists who had bad experience with religion and abandoned it because they associated negative feelings towards it). Same goes for racist people. If racism makes them feel good (it does, a feeling of superiority feels incredibly good and that's what racism is, saying a certain type of people are inferior, therefore you are superior) or they grew up with racism, turning around and changing would be incredibly hard. I don't argue with all the racist people here in Texas because I know it won't make a difference. They won't change because they CAN'T change. I doubt Walt Disney could have changed either. We aren't dealing with Racism = evil. We are dealing with Racism = severely complicated psychological feeling. If we could get rid of racism simply by showing people how wrong it was then the world would be much better. Unfortunately we can't. So I don't think we should be going around saying Disney was horrible because he was racist. You're making a big deal over a small smudge on an otherwise great man's name. One that is extremely understandable as nearly EVERYONE from that time period was racist. Your great grandparents were probably racist. That doesn't make them horrible people.
so yeah... let's just leave Walt Disney alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.35.64 ( talk) 00:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I've uploaded a couple photos that might relate to this article. I went ahead and added one to illustrate his childhood years (I also uploaded a cropped version). There's also a photo of his parents and a more formal photo of him at 12 years old.
I opted for the 'newsboy' image in the childhood section because it gives a better sense of his actual activities as a child without necessitating a great deal of prose.
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K10wnsta (
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21:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}}
There seems to be an unwarranted semi-protective status placed on this Walt Disney article. Although there is an "edit-warring" situation taking place slowly on the discussion page of the article, I am not sure that this is any reason to close the page under semi-protection. I believe that this article is incomplete and requires a short summary of allegations made against Walt Disney regarding anti-semitism, nazi sympathy, etc. The fact that this article does nothing more than build up the titan's image (note the separate section for awards) is unnerving. There are certain persons that believe that there is not enough evidence for the accusations, but surely the accusations themselves demand recognition. Their very existence is at least evidence that the opinions of Walt Disney are not unanimous. There is a terrible mountain of research available on this topic from various sources. Few of us doubt that the holocaust took place, but does that mean we should not have any articles addressing those theorists that believe it didn't? I am crying out for a simple, basic revision that would do little to affect Disney's "image" and everything to improve this article.
I have offered the following documents as evidence in favor of the allegations: Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World. New York: Ballantine, 1998. Dorfman, Ariel, and Armand Mattelarts. How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic. 1971. New York: International General, 1975. Eliot, Marc. Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince. New York: Birch Lane P, 1993. Kuenz, Jane. "Working at the Rat." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 110-62. Klugman, Karen. "Under the Influence." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 98-109. Sayers, Francis Clarke. "Walt Disney Accused: Interview with Charles M. Weisenberg." Horn Book XLI (1965): 602-11. Ross, Andrew. The Celebration Chronicles: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property Value in Disney's New Town. New York: Ballantine, 1999. Schickel, Richard. The Disney Version: The Life, Times, Art and Commerce of Walt Disney. 1968. Chicago: Ivan R. Dee Publisher, 1997. Weber, Jonathan. "The Ever-Expanding, Profit-Maximizing, Cultural-Imperialist, Wonderful World of Disney." Wired. 10.02 (Feb. 2002): 70-79. Byrne, Elenor, and Martin McQuillan. Deconstructing Disney. London: Pluto P, 1999. Bell, Elizabeth, Lynda Haas, and Laura Sells. "Introduction: Walt's in the Movies." From Mouse to Mermaid: The Politics of Film, Gender, and Culture. Ed. Elizabeth Bell, Lynda Haas and Laura Sells. Bloomington: Indiana UP, 1995. 1-17. Shortsleeve, Kevin. "The Wonderful World of the Depression: Disney, Despotism, and the 1930s. Or, Why Disney Scares Us". The Lion and the Unicorn , Volume 28, Number 1, January 2004, pp. 1-30 (Article)
I request that the following block of script be added after section 6.4 in the article as section 6.5.
In the years since Disney's death, certain allegations have been made against the character of the man. Marc Eliot, in his biography, Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince, informs readers that there is certain evidence that Walt Disney was an anti-semite and a spy for J. Edgar Hoover, trading secrets about persons he suspected of Communist sympathies for power within the FBI. [1] Additionally, some other critics of the Walt Disney corporation believe that both the late owner and his company have been involved in practices that smack of both bad business and cruel and unfair treatment of employed personnel. [2] [3] It has not yet been proven whether these allegations are true or not, but their mere existence is enough to warrant further investigations from additional parties.
I encourage the top brass of wikipedia to review this request with the greatest concern and solemnity as I mean it with all sincerity. In the name of wikipedia, I declare here that censorship is the greatest evil that any human being could indulge. FiftytwoPercent ( talk) 19:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially
Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC).
I've tagged the Walt Disney hibernation urban legend article for deletion. All the valuable information seems to already be in this article. If/when it is deleted, the misleading link to it should be replaced with the cryogenically frozen article instead. ...comments? ~ B F izz 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The information I have is that Disney went to the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts. I sent an email to the registrar at the Art Institute of Chicago and they informed me that he did not go there (he is also not listed in their list of famous alumni). Since the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts is no longer around it would not be easy to confirm this fact but the Art Institute can be ruled out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Churchill ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Look, I love Walt, but this strikes me as possibly violating NPOV. Any thoughs? Nix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.56.24 ( talk) 11:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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The allegation that Walt Disney was an antisemite has been the subject of jokes on both The Simpsons and Family Guy. I think that makes the allegation prominent enough to be confirmed or denied in the article, if only in brief. As in, "Rumors that Disney was an antisemite, the subject of jokes on The Simpsons and Family Guy, are unproven." Or that the rumors are true. One way or the other. -- Mwalcoff ( talk) 02:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
That's a crappy way of introducing the subject of anti-semitism regarding Walt Disney in this article. I mean, that would allow other users to say anything, like: "Contrary to my neighbour's statements to the public, Walt Disney was not a horse molesting, porn loving, child molester." There are many rumors and myths surrounding the man And being the internet, there'd be ton of idiots waiting to make such statements.
However, there have been several books that have spoken in detail about his political activities, personal behaviour and his alleged anti-semitism. Quote from a propper source instead of Family guy or the Simpsons. A good place to start would be with something like: Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince by Marc Eliot. But, to be honest, there's not a lot of evidence to support the claim and most of it is hearsay and conjecture. ( Bobbo9000 ( talk) 17:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC))
^^ Absolutely. ( Bobbo9000 ( talk) 01:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
I don't know where this information originates from, but it seems like it's correct to me. 89.197.79.238 ( talk) 03:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
(od) German press loves to blame the evils of Nazism on everyone except the Germans, Der Spiegel is a good example for that. Disney admired Riefenstahl's work from the 30's, indicated so when they met, when Disney also stated he could not hire Riefenstahl because of the potential impact on his reputation. As for allegations of anti-Semitism, Marc Elliot's book isn't sourced well enough for the claims he makes.
More generally, Europe before WWII was a nationalistic mess where autocracy and dictatorship were more admired as expressions of strength than despotic evil incarnate. There were movements toward autocracy in the U.S. as well.
I have no problem with the article representing centrist (and well-sourced in whatever references are cited) views on more controversial aspects of Disney's politics, but that he was a Jew-hating fascist and the article is tagged as NPOV because his evil side is not covered in detail is, I'm sorry, quite inappropriate. And, BTW, who here in this discussion is actually old enough to remember Disney?
PetersV
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06:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I suggest Brode's "Multiculturalism and the Mouse" where you can read how Disney and his studio actually dealt with stereotypes (popular as humor in the 30's) and with Jewish actors (more supportive than any other studio). I'll be deleting the recently added tag. PetersV TALK 06:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
There is a WIki article ot a book that discusses aspects of Disney's work which provoked the above criticisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood%27s_dark_prince The fact that this article has no 'Criticisms' section shoes not that there are no reliable rererences, there are PLENTY. It shows that Disney has a stranglehold on this page. Exactly what WIkipedia and it's community must work against. 122.107.171.30 ( talk) 12:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Without being in a position of authority (yet) to say add any substance those claims of anti-semitism, I just wanted to add that coming here I was pretty surprised that the article doesn't even mention them. Like somebody said above, references to Disney's anti-semitism are all over the place in popular culture, and personally that prompted me to come to this page to find out more about it. Just to give you an example of such a reference, take The Daily Show, 2007-06-05, where a piece by Rob Riggles says the following: Walt Disney had a dream. To build an amusement park where millions of children could come to experience the happiest place on earth. He also had another dream: that his head would be frozen. So one day he could be brought back to a world...without Jews. Of course this kind of thing doesn't prove anything, but it definitely indicates that claims of anti-semitism are there in the discourse. Also apparently there's a book out on the subject, as mentioned above, and overrated or not, it's been deemed worthy of publishing by major publishing houses, and it has seen several editions. If that doesn't warrant at least a paragraph, then what will? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodp ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
i agree that there should be mention to this matter. i also came to wikipedia to find out if these allegations were true (at least to find another page to confirm this). you won't find it in disney's web page, duh. just because in ford.com you won't find that henry ford was an antisemite, it doesn't mean that he wasn't. to be a nazi in the 30's may not mean that you were an antisemite, only if you were IN germany (1- propaganda and the fact of living in a totalitarian regime with controlled media, 2- and i'm not justifying, but some people cared more about inflation and war reparations than about jews, which is also terrible).-- Camilorojas ( talk) 20:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll never understand how this rumor become so popular over the last few years. It comes out of nowhere and everyone uses it for a joke. I don't get it, it isn't funny. Maybe it's not mentioned in the article because it's: #1. Not a funny joke. #2. Not true. -- blm07 であります! 15:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Straight from disney Creative Explosion: Walt's Political Outlook. Americans in the early/mid 20th century had general image of discrimination towards different ethnicities, political agendas, and religion. Jews were no exception. While not "concrete, Walt Disney did ally himself with popular political/social groups that tended to promote antisemitic views. Reputed author Neal Gabler wrote a a biography containing a short perspective on Disney's alleged-antisemitic believes.
Here are the facts: We have two books, one by Neal Gabler titled "The Triumph of the American Imagination", and Marc Eliot's " Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince", in addition to the various sources providing commentary and other op/eds which can be found via google. All this considered, we definitely have enough information to, in the least, include a section on antisemitism/racism, perhaps "allegations of antisemitism" or more NPOV/PC "Controversies". Title is up to consensus anyways. There is no evidence that says "OMG WALT DISNEY WAS A JEW HATING BASTARD", but there is a lot of fluff and mainstream recognition to support at minimum an allegations section. Yes, it's controversial, and yes some users might be offended, but the sources are there. We as editors don't have the official privilege of imposing our POV on the article. I could not care less what you think of Disney, your views on the books above, or why you think "it isn't a fact." I really don't, because I don't need to. If the information talks about it, and it is notable, then we have to include it. We can't axe books because it they're debunked fringe-theories.
Someone mentioned how Disney can't offer a rebuttal (I think, don't crucify me here), but many people have responded in his name, including Disney (link I posted above). And linking Eliot's book would be beneficial to a supporter, as it has a infinite amount of reviewers who have chastised him as writing...err...bullshit. Look, I'm all for consensus and collaboration, but from what I've read this whole discussion has been either a serious misunderstanding or a comedic play. The argument shouldn't start at yes/no but how/what. Crafting the paragraph shouldn't be too hard, but I predict a lot of reverts especially considering the rather-emotional involvement from some of the users here. Wikifan12345 ( talk) 05:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I have not seen a single place on this page where one of the people against including the information has replied to the numerous verifiable sources (that this rumor EXISTS, not that it is TRUE) that others have posted. Urban legends are an established and accepted topic for Wikipedia to cover, regardless of whether Your Highness believes it to be beneath them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.165.197 ( talk) 06:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
The fact that the majority of the discussion page is dedicated to a discussion on Disney's possible antisemitism warrants a mention of it in the article. This website is intended to be objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 ( talk) 02:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe that anyone here arguing against the mere inclusion of information regarding allegations of anti-Semitism does not understand the purpose of Wikipedia. This is a democratic encyclopedia. No one should have the final say on what should NOT be included in one of these articles, provided that the party adding the information has legitimate sources to back them up. The persons in this discussion who feel the need to down-play the rumors and allegations of anything negative regarding Walt Disney to the point where their very existence should, in their opinion, be unavailable to the public have no business operating on this site. Whether or not Disney was a Nazi sympathizer, it is clear that these users are Disney sympathizers at the very least. Censorship of information that supports a certain opinion simply because it discredits one's own opinion is not only immoral in the eye of the popularly-provided media that the internet plays host to but illogical if one claims to have society's best interests at heart. Censorship of this degree, especially in this place, is dangerous and malignant, at best. I believe that the burden of proof against the anti-Semitic allegations is on those users that claim that stance. I provide this evidence to support the opposing viewpoint (namely, that Walt Disney was not only an anti-Semite but also that both the man and the corporation had many faults which demand further inquiry from citizens subject to the Corporations media propaganda):
Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World. New York: Ballantine, 1998.
Dorfman, Ariel, and Armand Mattelarts. How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic. 1971. New York: International General, 1975.
Eliot, Marc. Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince. New York: Birch Lane P, 1993.
Kuenz, Jane. "Working at the Rat." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 110-62.
Klugman, Karen. "Under the Influence." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 98-109.
Sayers, Francis Clarke. "Walt Disney Accused: Interview with Charles M. Weisenberg." Horn Book XLI (1965): 602-11.
Ross, Andrew. The Celebration Chronicles: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property Value in Disney's New Town. New York: Ballantine, 1999.
Schickel, Richard. The Disney Version: The Life, Times, Art and Commerce of Walt Disney. 1968. Chicago: Ivan R. Dee Publisher, 1997.
Weber, Jonathan. "The Ever-Expanding, Profit-Maximizing, Cultural-Imperialist, Wonderful World of Disney." Wired. 10.02 (Feb. 2002): 70-79.
Byrne, Elenor, and Martin McQuillan. Deconstructing Disney. London: Pluto P, 1999.
Bell, Elizabeth, Lynda Haas, and Laura Sells. "Introduction: Walt's in the Movies." From Mouse to Mermaid: The Politics of Film, Gender, and Culture. Ed. Elizabeth Bell, Lynda Haas and Laura Sells. Bloomington: Indiana UP, 1995. 1-17.
Shortsleeve, Kevin. "The Wonderful World of the Depression: Disney, Despotism, and the 1930s. Or, Why Disney Scares Us". The Lion and the Unicorn , Volume 28, Number 1, January 2004, pp. 1-30 (Article)
I think that the list provided should be enough at present. Users, feel free to take advantage of this, and to explore these articles and films. Whether or not you find enough evidence for anti-Semitic leanings or allegations does not concern me as much as whether or not the opponents to Disney criticism still have an argument. Rhetoric, evidence, and published fact discrediting the popular views of Disney exist.
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Personally I think it is meritted. When I first looked at this page, the fact there was not a section regarding these allegations was the first thing I noticed. Givememoney17 ( talk) 04:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
As a passerby, I too note that the only reason I came here was to get some RELIABLE information on THE SOURCES of the rumors that Disney was an anti-semite. Due to this white-wash, I have to resort to Google and less reliable sources. Of course, my opinion doesn't matter because I'm not part of the clique of editors with bots at their disposal and infinite time to shout everyone down on discussion pages. And apparently from what I've seen on Wikipedia, it is enough for an editor, no matter how strident their tone or how blatantly they are acting against WP, to revert edits and dominate the discussion for a couple of months before the argument dies down and they get their way. After that, anyone like me who tries to weigh in is basically shouting into the wind. But seriously, the disgustingly self-righteous, contemptuous, commanding tone of PetersV ALONE should be proof that he belongs nowhere near this article. Phrases like "Qué lástima that those looking for that crap here can't find it" shows that this guy is inherently hostile to the mission of Wikipedia and is treating it as his own moral domain. Unfortunately this tone is all too common among the "higher-up" Wiki editors. How utterly sad and pathetic that Wikipedia is such a magnet for insecure people needing to be on some kind of power trip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.165.197 ( talk) 06:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It is obvious what is happening here. Some of those that have been considered fellow ediotrs with an honest interest in the truth have abused this trust to preserve the common public image of Walt Disney. This is naturally an abuse of the wikipedia forum, an open environment to offer facts up for public review. The nature of the situation is this: we have editors in our midst that have an ulterior motive. They have not offered any evidence against the evidence of the accusers. They have attempted to use malicious rhetoric to demean them into thinking that the accusations are too absurd to even be proposed. Naturally, I disciourage this behavior. Once the defendants in this debate have proven both that all of the accusers' evidential claims are incorrect, and that they themselves are not working for a third party, such as the Disney corporation itself. Some may laugh at the plausibility of this new claim, but I believe it to be completely logical that a company would try to protect one of its greatest assets (Disney's untarnished image) from being dismantled on one of the internet's most-visited web sites. Once the defendants of the late Walt Disney's purity have presented evidence that discounts my claims, only then will I back down. And, I will only do so to regroup and strike again! Ignorance is proliferated by the interests of certain corporations like this one, and I do not think that any right-minded individual will stand for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.168.2 ( talk) 18:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Since there have been no further contributions to this discussion for over a week, I am going to go ahead and add a short, objective mention of the anti-Semitism accusations, as described above, citing Gabler as a reference. DoctorJoeE ( talk) 14:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
after the war , on December 10 , 1945 , Disney found the prints of the 1924 silent movie , Peter Pan has been an lost film , it is now translated in two-color Technicolor and its televison and flim showings, according to the 1998 vhs released of Peter Pan an 1953 flim , Disney watches the talkie version in color , when prdocution on Peter Pan begin in December 6, 1952 with the priemiere of MGMs' Singing in the Rain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.47.122 ( talk) 17:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I was surprised to find nothing here about Walt Disney's record as a Nazi sympathizer. I'd add it myself, but lack the necessary sources to do so properly. If anyone else does have such documentation, please help improve the article in this respect. Thank you. RobertAustin ( talk) 11:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's a reliable source that there is a little evidence that he may have been a nazi sympathiser: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1623/was-walt-disney-a-fascist - to be honest, the fact that even the allegations aren't mentioned in the article smack of bias/ POV. I see lower on this page that people are refusing to even mention the allegations because apparently they are not common enough to warrant it. But Google returns 474,000 hits for ' walt disney nazi ' - this article smacks of bias. I have no idea wheather Walt was a nazi sympathizer, but the allegation is well know, note worthy, and has a little supporting evidence, including: Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette with a swastika on it in an early short, alleged attendance of meetings of a pro-nazi group, a number of anti-semetic jokes in short films, and admired the work of Leni Riefenstahl. If one wanted to really over analyze, one might ask why in The Jungle Book, all the animals are voiced by white actors except the apes, who have black voices. Walt Disney was not a Nazi sympathizer. I know that because I read it in a book. 82.35.102.252 ( talk) 19:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
What does fascisim have do do with nazisim Chard513 ( talk) 17:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, the Nazis were fascists. It's not a huge stretch to see Walt Disney as a nazi sympathizer, considering he attended parties hosted by the Nazi's american sympathizers, and especially given the dodgy subtext of his films. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.24.53 ( talk) 12:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Found this documentary:
But whether or not the accusations are true, this article is WAY TOO SUGAR COATED! Also, there was a lot of controversy around the Disney strike so that part should be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.167.56 ( talk) 07:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
allright, so there may not be sources that confirm or disprove disneys antisemitism, but i think that being such a relied upon source wikipedia has the obligation to atleast NOTE that such allegations (may it or may it not be true) are obviously existent and widely spread at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.68.216 ( talk) 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Lillian died in 1997, not 1966. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.117.47 ( talk) 07:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of the disney war effort in reqaurds to the cartoons made during the war. One was called "An Education FOR DEATH" and featured the life of a nazi child and how he was bred for the war machine. It's very creepy to hear some voice you know from Winnie the pooh in a nazi cartoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW-3YC2IVQ
The other I've seen shows Donald duck working in a German bomb factorey until he wakes up at the end and see's he's in his bed in america and it was all a bad dream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNF86jBByDg&feature=related
I do not know for sure how Walt felt about the Jewish people or the Nazi party but to sweep certian things under the rug to paint history or a person in only the best possible light subtracts from his humanity and is a diservice to The world as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.181.211 ( talk) 20:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to propose that we create a new section, potentially called Urban Legends, addressing various urban legends about Disney. Obviously, the cryogenics UL would be mentioned (as it is in the article now, under Death), but we'd also address Disney's alleged Nazi/Fascist ties (the evidence of which seems to be either inconclusive or non-existent, depending on your source). If nobody has a problem with this, I'd like to go ahead and make these edits, but I'll certainly wait for some consensus beforehand, seeing as how several flamewars have broken out on the discussions page in the past few months. Thanks for any input. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 20:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Walt Disney was a despicable human being, and the only criticism of his repugnant behaviour grudgingly accepted on this article is his reprehensible appearance before the HUAC. There really needs to be a serious examination of the edit histories and IP addresses of those responsible for this puff-piece to establish their motivation and correct the article. DublinDilettante ( talk) 04:32, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's so much the fact that Disney was a horrible person, but that he grew up in a different time. The founding fathers of America kept slaves and some were incredibly racist. Doesn't make them horrible people, it just makes them people of a different time. Modern values weren't around in the 1930's. Racism doesn't make you a horrible person, many people were indoctrinated by racism because they were surrounded by it and took it for granted, like a lot of religious people do depending on what country they are from. You ever wonder why Americans are Christians and Iranians are Islamic? Because they are surrounded by it and the option doesn't occur to them until after years of being subjected to people saying that it's true. Same thing goes for racism. If you are raised in a household filled with racist people, then you will probably be racist too. I live in Texas and I see this happen all the time. The kid is racist, all I have to do is look at his family or friends, odds are someone is racist in it. The kid is christian, odds are he/she was raised in a christian house hold or had christian friends. Now, people convert to different religions and they can just as easily convert to not being racist, but here's the kicker, it isn't easy. If something such as religion or racism is so incredibly deep rooted that giving it up (converting to a different religion, not being racist) than it is hard. Think about it. If someone associates X religion with their childhood, their parents, and their success than you won't convert them (this can go the other way around too. I know plenty of atheists who had bad experience with religion and abandoned it because they associated negative feelings towards it). Same goes for racist people. If racism makes them feel good (it does, a feeling of superiority feels incredibly good and that's what racism is, saying a certain type of people are inferior, therefore you are superior) or they grew up with racism, turning around and changing would be incredibly hard. I don't argue with all the racist people here in Texas because I know it won't make a difference. They won't change because they CAN'T change. I doubt Walt Disney could have changed either. We aren't dealing with Racism = evil. We are dealing with Racism = severely complicated psychological feeling. If we could get rid of racism simply by showing people how wrong it was then the world would be much better. Unfortunately we can't. So I don't think we should be going around saying Disney was horrible because he was racist. You're making a big deal over a small smudge on an otherwise great man's name. One that is extremely understandable as nearly EVERYONE from that time period was racist. Your great grandparents were probably racist. That doesn't make them horrible people.
so yeah... let's just leave Walt Disney alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.35.64 ( talk) 00:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I've uploaded a couple photos that might relate to this article. I went ahead and added one to illustrate his childhood years (I also uploaded a cropped version). There's also a photo of his parents and a more formal photo of him at 12 years old.
I opted for the 'newsboy' image in the childhood section because it gives a better sense of his actual activities as a child without necessitating a great deal of prose.
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{{editsemiprotected}}
There seems to be an unwarranted semi-protective status placed on this Walt Disney article. Although there is an "edit-warring" situation taking place slowly on the discussion page of the article, I am not sure that this is any reason to close the page under semi-protection. I believe that this article is incomplete and requires a short summary of allegations made against Walt Disney regarding anti-semitism, nazi sympathy, etc. The fact that this article does nothing more than build up the titan's image (note the separate section for awards) is unnerving. There are certain persons that believe that there is not enough evidence for the accusations, but surely the accusations themselves demand recognition. Their very existence is at least evidence that the opinions of Walt Disney are not unanimous. There is a terrible mountain of research available on this topic from various sources. Few of us doubt that the holocaust took place, but does that mean we should not have any articles addressing those theorists that believe it didn't? I am crying out for a simple, basic revision that would do little to affect Disney's "image" and everything to improve this article.
I have offered the following documents as evidence in favor of the allegations: Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World. New York: Ballantine, 1998. Dorfman, Ariel, and Armand Mattelarts. How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic. 1971. New York: International General, 1975. Eliot, Marc. Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince. New York: Birch Lane P, 1993. Kuenz, Jane. "Working at the Rat." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 110-62. Klugman, Karen. "Under the Influence." Inside the Mouse: Work and Play at Disney World. Ed. The Project on Disney. Durham: Duke UP, 1995. 98-109. Sayers, Francis Clarke. "Walt Disney Accused: Interview with Charles M. Weisenberg." Horn Book XLI (1965): 602-11. Ross, Andrew. The Celebration Chronicles: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property Value in Disney's New Town. New York: Ballantine, 1999. Schickel, Richard. The Disney Version: The Life, Times, Art and Commerce of Walt Disney. 1968. Chicago: Ivan R. Dee Publisher, 1997. Weber, Jonathan. "The Ever-Expanding, Profit-Maximizing, Cultural-Imperialist, Wonderful World of Disney." Wired. 10.02 (Feb. 2002): 70-79. Byrne, Elenor, and Martin McQuillan. Deconstructing Disney. London: Pluto P, 1999. Bell, Elizabeth, Lynda Haas, and Laura Sells. "Introduction: Walt's in the Movies." From Mouse to Mermaid: The Politics of Film, Gender, and Culture. Ed. Elizabeth Bell, Lynda Haas and Laura Sells. Bloomington: Indiana UP, 1995. 1-17. Shortsleeve, Kevin. "The Wonderful World of the Depression: Disney, Despotism, and the 1930s. Or, Why Disney Scares Us". The Lion and the Unicorn , Volume 28, Number 1, January 2004, pp. 1-30 (Article)
I request that the following block of script be added after section 6.4 in the article as section 6.5.
In the years since Disney's death, certain allegations have been made against the character of the man. Marc Eliot, in his biography, Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince, informs readers that there is certain evidence that Walt Disney was an anti-semite and a spy for J. Edgar Hoover, trading secrets about persons he suspected of Communist sympathies for power within the FBI. [1] Additionally, some other critics of the Walt Disney corporation believe that both the late owner and his company have been involved in practices that smack of both bad business and cruel and unfair treatment of employed personnel. [2] [3] It has not yet been proven whether these allegations are true or not, but their mere existence is enough to warrant further investigations from additional parties.
I encourage the top brass of wikipedia to review this request with the greatest concern and solemnity as I mean it with all sincerity. In the name of wikipedia, I declare here that censorship is the greatest evil that any human being could indulge. FiftytwoPercent ( talk) 19:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially
Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC).
I've tagged the Walt Disney hibernation urban legend article for deletion. All the valuable information seems to already be in this article. If/when it is deleted, the misleading link to it should be replaced with the cryogenically frozen article instead. ...comments? ~ B F izz 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The information I have is that Disney went to the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts. I sent an email to the registrar at the Art Institute of Chicago and they informed me that he did not go there (he is also not listed in their list of famous alumni). Since the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts is no longer around it would not be easy to confirm this fact but the Art Institute can be ruled out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Churchill ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Look, I love Walt, but this strikes me as possibly violating NPOV. Any thoughs? Nix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.56.24 ( talk) 11:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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