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This article is clearly unbalanced, there is a lot more to Walt Disney than 'his legacy' or Mickey Mouse. He created a segment of an industry that profits from selling to children, and very acutely targeted selling at that. This should be discussed in much greater detail. His impact on American society is greatly understated, or at least, it is cast in the best possible light. Who wrote this article? It is partisan!
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The tone of this page seems wrong. It's a bit like a Disney infomercial. Also, the first paragraph seems to assume that the reader already knows who Walt Disney is, and I think that's an incorrect assumption in an encyclopedia. -- Pinkunicorn
Agreed. Not in any position to do anything about it though. :-(. -- drj
besides being gracious to Disney, it also violates being unfinished to let others add. I'd like to add a few things, but its gonna be hella hard without rewriting. ? Factually however, very informative. Alan D
I've taken out the worst and most sugary sentences, corrected a few myths and I think the addition to the first sentence livens it up. TwoOneTwo
I can't say that the new first sentence makes it any better. You still have the same problem as before of assuming I know stuff that I don't. Even if it is correct, I think the first paragraph should be something more informative than that. As long as the first sentence doesn't mention cartoons, it seems weird to me. -- Pinkunicorn
I think your comment, "union-busting communist-hating untalented artist," whatever its degree of accuracy, was in extremely poor taste, not to mention contrary to the neutral point of view. All the facts you wish to convey can be fairly conveyed--without engaging in partisan propaganda. I'm fully willing to admit that the article in its original form was probably a bit non-neutral, looking at it again. But I think it's really important that we don't go so far in the opposite direction. -- Larry Sanger
Why poor taste? True is true, even it rather baldly put.
But historically it certainly is not true.
Disney was no fan of unions but he would not be considered a "union buster" and did not practice many of the extreme strong armed anti-union tactics employed by big business in the 40s and 50s. Disney resented the notion that he didn't treat his employees fairly, when in fact, Disney Studios was then considered to be the cream of the crop of all the animation studios. Disney constantly strove to improve conditions for his studio artists and quality of their work environment. Unfortunately, there was still pay and incentive inequities within the system. Starting employees were making pennies in comparison to lead animators, who enjoyed an almost country club atmoshere (in fact, top animators actually enjoyed a private club at the studio). This is where the union came in, to correct the inequities and to provide collective bargaining power for all employees at Disney. And when the strike began things got angry very quickly. Disney took the strike very personally, especially when the anti-Disney signs and chanting began. He very quickly, dropped out of the negotiations picture and turned them over to Roy Disney, who in turn hired a very tough minded union negotiator; meanwhile Disney went on travel to South America for most of the strike period. To make a long story short, Disney studios met the union demands and has stayed a union operation- unopposed for its history. Disney, on the other hand grew to resent (and probably hate) the unions that created the strike and the inevitable "separation" that grew between Disney and his artists, and always kept a sharp eye out on the unions growing power.
And yes, as did most of the studio heads did in the 50's , Disney gave names of suspected "communist" members, by naming union representatives . Here, is where he finally got back at the unions who attacked his studio. Disney stongly believed in the strength of the free enterprise system; felt that unions were out to destroy it, and believed that communists were the driving force behind this movement- this is my opinion.
Finally , as far as being an "untalented artist", it should be noted that Disney never claimed to be a talented artist, only an artist; and within the world of commercial art was considered to be capable and talented. Although, in terms of animation, he could never match the sheer output of Ub Iwerks and other young artists at the time. Disney recognized this, and soon focused his efforts on project and story development and running the business side of the company. And as a business, Disney nutured the art of animation, recognized talent and rewarded artists for their efforts more than any studio during the golden age of animation. He also took enormous financial risks to push the art of animation and movies far beyond what other studios were willing to financially commit. Today, he is considered a visionary as a result of the achievments Disney and his dedicated staff of artists and engineers accomplished. He later showed this same commitment with the vision and the development of Disneyland. (C Brown July 2006)
Buena Vista was formed in 1953 (and put out its first film in November 1953), yet in the article there is a piece which suggests it came about in the late 1920s-early 1930s - what distribution company was this?
I've tried to take out some of the sugar, but it still needs a considerable cleanup. Whomever keeps writing from a fan's perspective, please go read about the neutral point of view. Disney did some great things, but his commercial, artistic (and possibly personal) track record had a number of blots in it, and they should be acknowledged. -- Robert Merkel
Someone screwed up the format of this article with some careless editing and hence rendered the revision diff quite unreadable. In the chaos, the information I added about Fairyland in Oakland California was removed. I believe it is relevant information because if Fairyland was a storybook theme park which Disneyland based on, then Disneyland cannot be claimed as the first theme park!!! See the history at http://www.fairyland.org .
who took out: When Charles Mintz raided Disney's animation studio and stole the rights to their character Oswald the Rabbit, Ub was the only associate to remain with ... etc. Cause that part seemed rather important...
Did disney animate any of his own cartoons after he formed his own company? steamboat willy was done by Iwerks. I don't know, butI don't think he animated ANY of them... --alan D
I moved the copyright issues to Walt Disney Company. Walt died 30 years ago, and it current copyright issues probably belong in an article about his company rather than on an article about him. Also a lot of this article needs to get refactored. Details on EPCOT and Walt Disney World probably should go there.
I propose breaking up the article into Walt Disney, the man who founded the enterprise -- and Disney, the corporation which owns ABC, Touchstone, Mirimax, etc. I daresay the company has taken on a life of its own, with Michael Eisner at the helm, in the years the death of the company's founder. -- Ed Poor
This article states that "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, released in 1937, was Disney's and the world's first feature-length animated film." But the article on animation history says that "The first animated feature-length film was El Apóstol (1917)". There is an error somewhere. My guess is that Snow White was the first American feature-length animated film. Are there anybody who can clarify this and make the appropriate changes? (OuroborosSlayer)
Shouldn't the statement that Disney was an "animator" be removed?
This article needs a SERIOUS rewrite. Besides being factually incorrect in a number of places, its prose is not encyclopediaic at all, and it also needs to be compacted.
What needs to be done is to create an article for the Walt Disney animation studio and reverse merge the bulk of that part of this article into that article (and also integrate what is now at Walt Disney Feature Animation and set up a redirect), and to make sure this article is primarily about Walt Disney the person, and not the studio, because trying to cover both in one article makes for, as exists now, something truly unwieldy.
I am presently starting on both articles now. We can work on them here until they are both completed, because it will take a while to complete both.:
-- b. Touch 18:38, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed this:
The name itself came from an occasion when a young Mickey Rooney walked into Disney's office whilst on a visit; Disney showed Rooney some pictures of Mortimer Mouse (as he was called at the time), and it occurred to him that the name Mickey would have a better ring to it.
...because it's not true. When Mickey Mouse was created in early 1928, Mickey Rooney wasn't even "Mickey Rooney": he was Joe Yule, Jr. playing "Mickey McGuire" in the Mickey McGuire series. Rooney's claim of Walt naming Mickey is only supported by his words: pratically every book written on Walt Disney and/or Mickey Mouse identifies Lillian as the one who came up with the name "Mickey".
A Google search finds this article, which makes the supposition obviously false, as Walt didn't work at Warner Bros..
-- b. Touch 00:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
can we say Walter Elias "Walt" Disney instead of Walter Elias Disney, commonly known as Walt Disney? -- b. Touch 20:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed the list of shorts from this article. This information is still available in the history, and should be included in a list of Disney animated shorts, which is a somewhat necessary article. -- b. Touch 02:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is no reason to place a link to the List of Disney animated features at the top of this page. Stop doing this. -- b. Touch 04:16, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Got a question for the Disney experts (as in the man, not the company) here. I've got another article here on Wikipedia that claims that Walt Disney was of Hispanic descent. Can anyone confirm or deny this for me so I can resolve this? As far as I know, he's roughly of Irish liniage. Thanks.-- Mitsukai 17:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
According to Bob Thomas's Walt Disney: An American Original, Disney's ancestors were French, who moved to England about 900 years ago. The name Disney comes from the French town, Isigny-sur-Mer, which became d'Isigny, and was then Anglicised to Disney. The family moved to Ireland, and in 1834 Arundel Elias Disney and his brother Robert sailed from Liverpool with their families to America. Elias's son Keppel had a son called Elias also, who became the father to Walter Elias Disney. Thats the best I can do.-- Speedway 18:17, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
More than enough. Near as I can tell, the Hispanic reference comes from his mother (Flora Call)'s side, but I can't confirm if she was of Hispanic lineage or not. I think there's enough doubt about it, however, that I can safely remove it. Thanks again.-- Mitsukai 18:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
That's based on old rumors that Walt and Roy Disney were either born in Spain and adopted by the Disneys, or that they were the children of Elias Disney and the family maid (!). Both are untrue, as far as we know. -- FuriousFreddy 00:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I think this part should be removed, for several reasons:
Please comment here - if most agree, I'll remove the Lengend section in a week or so, unless someone else does it first.
-- Janke | Talk 20:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
You guys have got to be kidding me. This article is incomplete without all the fantastic rumors and urban legends. There needs to be section about him being a Nazi sympathizers, birth in Spain, and being frozen, along with evidence both for and against. That's why I came to this page but it was strangely missing. I bet there's some Disney lawyers who visit the wikipedia Disney page 3 times a day making sure no one puts up anything that deviates from the official line. I smell a rat! Someone deleted *this* comment a day after I posted it. See French version of wikipeadia, the truth is out there. Please do not delete. Thank You. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.134.181.209 ( talk • contribs) .
We remove the subcategory completely, and put it in the "Trivia" section, like this:
If there's no strong opposition, I'll do it. -- Janke | Talk 07:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
PS. Should the snopes link go to the entire Disney legends index, or just to Wal'ts personal index? -- Janke | Talk 08:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, since no-one opposed, I'll cut down the legends stuff, and put it in trivia. --
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Let's keep down the Urban legends to just a few, please. (And only to those available/"confirmable" at the Snopes sites.) Otherwise this section may again grow uncontrollably. Thanks! -- Janke | Talk 06:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
The reference link to Donald Graham goes to the wrong Donald Graham. Disney did not enlist the help of the Washington Post guy who wasn't born yet ... I took the link off. That's all I edited.
Anybody else heard Walt was a cricket fan? An anon. poster insists on re-inserting this in trivia. Trivia should be closely watched IMHO - too much fluff, as it is. It could grow uncontrollably. -- Janke | Talk 06:08:10, 2005-08-28 (UTC)
... all sorts of stories coming out of the woodwork about Don Bradman now that he is dead. The best was in a newspaper here in Tassie which said that Donald Duck was named for the fact that in an exhibition match in the USA Don Bradman scored a duck.!!!!! Apparently not realising that Donald Duck is a bloody duck.!!!!! I mean if that's not drawing a rather long bow, I don't know what is. You can bet there will be a lot more stories yet.
The answer to that post was:
I'm not sure if you are serious? ...... Or joking? ......
And yes, please, do register. I can't send these messages straight to you, since your IP address keeps changing. -- Janke | Talk 13:14:41, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
From the "Testimony before Congress" section:
Walt Disney testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, and he named several of his employees as Communist sympathizers... Despite his motivations, the fact remains that several of Disney's employees were said to be Communist sympathizers."
WHAT??
Unless you happen to be an iron-fisted Stalinist dictator, you simply cannot justify a witch-hunt like this by claiming "the fact remains that rumours existed."
This whole page desperately needs a rewrite, preferably this time by someone who is not in the employ of this disney corporation. (Anon IP address)
Should we cut down on this? It's more than a screenful now? BTW, Disney as informant - is that documented anywhere else than in "Dark Prince"? If not, it might be removed, too. -- Janke | Talk 17:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Did Walt Disney graduate from high school or not? This article claims he did, but a Google search turns up countless articles saying he didn't; they say he only attended one year of high school, then left. One site does say he eventually received an honorary diploma from his high school—at age 58. What's the truth? Does he go in Category:High school dropouts or not? - Silence 08:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I found he that he didn't graduate high school either because he joined the Red Cross so he can serve in WWI. He lied about his age.- User:Azn_Clayjar 21 March 2006
Mickey Mouse is a happy mouse who is inlove with Minnie Mouse. Mickey wears red trousers with yellow buttons. He also has white shoes and white gloves. His eyes are big and he is a very famous character that Walt Disney created. This was not what Mickey mouse was like first though. He was actually going to be called Mortemor Mouse, and be a droopy, sarcastic mouse. Not at all like Mickey. It was Walt Disney's wife that suggested a happier younger mouse, who should be called Mickey.
Minnie Mouse is Mickey Mouse's love. She wears high heels, a yellow hat with a flower, and a polka-dotted dress. She to, like Mickey, wears White Gloves.
Goofy Goof is a dog. He is a friend of Mickey. He has a girlfriend who is a cow. He is not as bright as Mickey. Goofy has one son- Max Goof.
Donald Duck is a white duck. He wears a blue sailors suit with white buttons. He is a jealous and proud one who always likes to win or take things without working for them. He has the most rellatives, for he has three nephwes and is related to Mr. Scrooge (a very rich duck). Donald usually gets into the most trouble.
Pluto is Mickey's dog. His body is orange and his tail is black. He has had problems from little critters to sweaters.
Daisy Duck is Donald Duck's love. Minnie and Daisy are best friends just like Donald and Mickey. Daisy has a sweet, loving nature not so much like Donald.She has 3 nieces April, May and June Duck who are all girlfriends to Huey, Dewey and Louie Duck( Donald's cousins). Pete is Mickey's arch-enemy and is always trying to make things harder for Mickey.
Doesn't this better belong in the Ub Iwerks article, rather than here? It's been on and off for some time now. Consensus? -- Janke | Talk 21:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
This doesn't make sense! He moved to Kansas City… and still attended the Chicago Arts Institute? One hell of a commute, wouldn't you say? — Mproud 10:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
This article says Elias Disney died when he was 37 and Walt was seven. The article on Elias Disney says he he was born in 1859 (so he would have been 37 before Walt was even born) and died in 1941. OK, which is it?
I was wondering...was Walt Disney anti-semitic? I've heard that it was pretty well known that he hated Jews and that may have sponsored the rumour that he had Nazi-sympathies. It may be untrue that if one is anti-semetic, they are also Nazi's, but was he even anti-semitic?
Historically, Disney was in a constant struggle for survival against the major studios. Warner Brothers, Paramount, Fox, Columbia, Universal and MGM were all primarily ran and owned by Jewish principles, who controlled the vast majority of theatrical distribution of films and most of the talent in Hollywood(Check out the book, "An Empire of their Own", by Neal Gabler). Disney also lost his first cartoon character, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit to Universal and most of his artists left to work for Universal. So I'd imagine there had to be some animosity towards these powerful studios and with that "some" anti-semitic resentment. The only anti-semitic reference I've ever seen was a quote made when one of Disney's artists left to work for Universal and Disney supposedly made an anti-semitic remark towards the Universal ownership to the artist when he tendered his resignation, this I believe was in Gabler's book. But in terms of being anti-semitic or hating the Jewish race as a whole this is unfounded. (C.Brown July 2006)
Is this something worth adding to the bio...because Disney corp. is a powerful company and i doubt they want rumours on his bio...that..and well...if it's true...I'm sure they'd rather not have it up here...and we all know what that means....more sabotage of wikipedia.
I also heard that he was extremely prejudiced against blacks, and refused to hire any for as long as he ran Disney studios. Can anyone verify if this is true?-- Paradigm 15:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Not true... check out Floyd Norman, a very talented black artist who went to work for Disney, I believe in the mid 50s as an animator. Mr. Norman continues to work today, most recently with PIXAR. He has created a series of incredibly funny books which document his years in animation at Disney and in the animation industry, under the title "Faster! Cheaper!". (C. Brown July 2006)
"Eisenstein did not live long enough to discover that Disney later became an anti-Semitic, racist, union-bashing, anti-Communist right-winger." Ronald Bergan, Sergei Eisenstein: A Life in Conflict, The Overlook Press/Peter Mayer Publishers, Inc.: Woodstock, New York (1999), page 198: (I'm Theresa by the way. I'm doing a paper on this topic and this is the only usable resource I could find so far. If any one have any cited quotes like this please email me, worm_in_my_apple_16@yahoo.com)
Every single biography that is used as a reference on this article has been given the once over by Disney to ensure it keeps the image clean, and as such this article is completely whitewashed. There is only a couple of unofficial biographies that discuss what he was really like. Sure I think he was probably a creative genius, where is the fact that he was a misogynist, a racist, an anti-Semitic and an a spy and informant for Hoover. Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince. Is it going to be another whitewash of an a American Icon.
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Request to edit the line about Academy Award nominations to "Walt Disney holds the record for both the most Academy Award nominations for an individual (59) and the number of Oscars awarded (22)." Added the term "for an individual" as MGM holds more nominations (62) according to the Official Academy Awards Database. This source is already cited in the article so new source would not need to be added. ToeAndno ( talk) 22:35, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Request to edit the line "Disney patrolled around the place, introducing one land after another." Add after that "On opening day, the cement was still wet, so as people were walking through the parks they were sinking into the ground. Fortunately, they ended up going back to redo the pavement. opening — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chisomko1235 ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Request to add a paragraph about Walt Disney's Legacy. Walt Disney was an amazing man who changed the way we see entertainment for generations now and to come. Through all of his hard work he was able to make 653 films/shorts and act in a total of 124 films/shorts, and direct 114 films/shorts. Up to today people all around can enjoy his works on film. But, also Walt Disney legacy will forever live on in his theme parks across the world. Some of the locations are in Paris,California,Orlando, Florida, and Disney. One of his most famous quotes about one of his theme parks was that "It would never be finished as long as there was imagination in th world." As long as thern is children who can bring the imgination to life, Walt Disney's legacy will live on forever. Cite error: There are <ref>
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Okay, I'll "use the talk page for this one". An editor has objected to the descriptor "centaurette" to describe the half-black/half-donkey character, holding a watermelon, in Fantasia, on grounds that it is "politically incorrect". Really? If the centaur community is offended, I apologize -- but "centaurette" is the descriptor used by the cited source (Gabler), and Wikipedia is not supposed to be censored in any way. Why not use the popular term for this fictional character? It's a small point, I admit, but worthy of brief discussion, I think. BTW I also think the examples should be returned to the body of the text; their recent relegation to a footnote just complicates things for readers. Opinions appreciated. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/ talk to me! 21:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
"I wonder why you are resisting compromise. Editing is not a competition; we're supposed to be working together."
You realise this could be applied to you? The difference is that you haven't suggested a workable compromise: you want to go back to your wording or something that is horrible and verbose (which you've admitted yourself). I've suggested an alternative too, which you seem not to prefer, which is fine, but if we leave "centaurette" in there (complete with scare quotes), it'll be ripped out at FAC. Centaur is a gender neutral term (along the lines of human, alien, etc) so I wonder why you are resisting something quite indisputable in plain English. –
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We already have an article on female Centaurs: Centaurides. Which discusses both their depiction in ancient art and their depiction in Fantasia. Centaur has never been gender neutral. Dimadick ( talk) 20:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
This whole discussion is beside the point—why would the article draw attention to what the character was called anyways? The point is that it was a racial stereotype. By why do we need so many examples? This stuff was a dime a dozen at the time (and often far worse outside Disney). Pick the most prominent (if even that is necessary) and move on. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
there is a spelling error on this page that says employess instead of employees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyCool22 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
I think iconic characters like these deserve at least a brief mention, especially with mention things like the Three Little Pigs and the Old Mill which are also largely about the studio. LittleJerry ( talk) 17:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Folks, here's the scoop: We must keep this article within some reasonable length, focusing on WD's accomplishments, not the fame of his characters. We can't bog down with trivia, if we mention Donald and Goofy, well, who says they are more important than Minnie Mouse or Daisy Duck? We just can't go there, that is stuff for a spinoff article such as Cartoon characters introduced by Disney. Montanabw (talk) 22:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Was Walt Disney ambidextrous? This photo in the article maybe suggests the possibility. Moriori ( talk) 00:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
So, after gaining sanity back, I have come to see what the problem was. I think that CelebrityNeyWorth, although still generally all right, is a somewhat less professional source than Forbes, and they likely had made a mistake each here and about
Sam Walton, so let us see what the problem here is.
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After Flowers and Trees, one more Silly Symphony, the title Bugs in Love, was shot in black and white -- as was mentioned in the American Experience program on Walt Disney (and as is already stated in the articles here for the Silly Symphonies series and for Bugs in Love itself). So please change "All subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color." to "After one more black-and-white title, Bugs in Love, all subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color."
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He was born in Nebraska 199.180.86.50 ( talk) 20:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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In this biography, you state that Walt Disney's mother was from the Province of Canada. Canada is not a province but a country. If you know what province she comes from (such as Ontario or Quebec) you could include that but otherwise, you could just edit for the country of Canada. Aschatteman ( talk) 19:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Walt Disney
Disneyland music song — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeydriandisney ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Why does the article not mention that Disney beat his children? ( 2A00:23C4:6393:E500:B049:A1FC:E66C:7A7C ( talk) 21:58, 11 April 2017 (UTC))
Can someone please make sure to state that this brilliant man, like most of the brilliant men, and women, was BORN, in good old CHICAGO!!!! He was always proud to be from his birthplace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.51.63 ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
The birth address is incorrect and should be: 2156 North Tripp Avenue, Chicago, ILlinois Source - Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-walt-disney-house-20150807-story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilGale ( talk • contribs) 18:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
most of the citations are unreliable and/or false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.159.213 ( talk) 20:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
you can track and trace all walt disneys genealogy... he has several jewish if not all members ... dating back to 1650 - check at GENI.COM ... so probably Walt D. was a Zionist... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:23C:B900:F5B4:2332:C795:7183 ( talk) 10:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Jbening, in your first edit summary you asked "nothing in the WP article on MPAPAI suggests antisemitism; can anyone identify sources for such a connection?
" Yes, the source supplied at the end of the sentence is the one that is used. That the
MPAPAI is sadly lacking (most of the article seems to be the overly long quote of its statement of principals), is not a good reason for the overly wordy addition to this article. Better time would be spent updating the MPAPAI article to reflect the full extent of its views. I would also add that the source you used in your addition is appears to be of questionable
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Wikipedians who say TLDR should IMO be ashamed of themselves and have lost the moral authority to influence the article text. I'm happy to continue to discuss this if you like, but in the meantime..." "Lost the moral authority to influence the article text"? Possibly the most crass edit summary I have seen in a long time, and utterly ridiculous. If you want to go back to tedious walls of text, we can sit with the status quo and go over it all again, with you coming up with little more than an WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale.
D'Isigny is his REAL name. This is a Jewish name from France. They immigrated to Ireland. This also should dispel notions of antisemitism which is laughable. Disney donated to many Jewish charities. --
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Hello,
The article on Walt Disney does not mention how Disneyland got its name. I heard that Walt Disney visited a park in Oakland, California once. The name of the park was "Children's Fairyland". Disney was likely influenced by the name "Children's Fairyland", and put the "land" part of the "Children's Fairyland" name to his own park, that Disney would call "Disneyland". I don't see this fact written in the article.
Signed,
San Francisco Bay Area Resident 206.169.29.254 ( talk) 22:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
"After Disney's death, his studios continued to produce live-action films prolifically but largely abandoned animation until the late 1980s".
/info/en/?search=List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features and /info/en/?search=List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films seem to disagree witrh that statement ?
"After Disney's death, his studios continued to produce live-action films prolifically but largely abandoned animation until the late 1980s".
/info/en/?search=List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features and /info/en/?search=List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films seem to disagree with that statement, since even during his life animated features had 3-4 years between them ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.250.145.74 ( talk) 14:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
What on earth is this paragraph about? It appears to be citing a few paywalled academic papers and books from a critical theory perspective. Is this appropriate in a general biographical article? They seem to be, mostly, about the work Walt Disney produced, not about Disney himself. I'm sure you could reference hundreds of academic papers and books that analyze his reputation and impact on culture, why cite these particular papers and books? Are these authors considered experts on Walt Disney? Jbmcb ( talk) 03:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbmcb ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
There several problems with the statement regarding the supposed derivation of the Disneys from a Companion of William the Conqueror. First, the sources cited, while they may be appropriate for the life of Disney, are terribly inaccurate for material 800+ years before. The vast majority of such claims are completely inaccurate, and we have an article that detaills exactly hom many people can be proven to have fought with William the Conqueror in 1066. The tone itself in the first cited source indicates that it does not represent scholarly findings but is repeating 'just another such claim', family mythology. Just because a modern non-critical biographer mentions it as a curious supposed factoid is no reason to include it in the article. That brings us to point number 2. A very brief diversion in a book hundreds of pages long does not merit mention in an article that is a minute fraction of that size. The decision was already made that the inclusion of this material in the article-space gives it WP:UNDUE weight, but the solution is not to move it to an endnote - if it is too trivial to include in the article, then it is too trivial to force into a footnote. Most important is WP:NOTGENEALOGY, which indicates that family history is to be used to help understand the subject, not gratuitously, and we gain no further understanding of Walt Disney through the inclusion of this fictional ancestry from 800+ years before. Neither source cited even hints that Walt was aware of this claimed origin. Again, there may be a place for it in a book hundreds of pages long, but we need to be more selective, and hence more critical. So, fails WP:NOTGENEALOGY, fails WP:UNDUE, and fails WP:RS (with respect to this supposed claim). That is a recipe for removal. Agricolae ( talk) 01:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Whether his ancestor fought with William the Conqueror may be lost to history, but it is generally accepted that the name Disney derives from D'Isigny (from Isigny-sur-Mer), and I don't see why that cannot be included; heck, we already mention this in the Isigny-sur-Mer and Disney family articles, so why hold this article to a different standard? Funnyhat ( talk) 03:42, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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And to further clarify, definitely NOT a racist either. The guy loved Abraham Lincoln for Christ sakes. Definitely remove this.
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Please remove the anti-semitic statements. It is untrue and there is no reason to have that in the man’s wikipedia page. This page isn’t about what people believe Walt was, but actually what Walt was. Speculation has no place here. Rest of it confirmed. :)
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His reputation changed in the years after his death, from a purveyor of homely patriotic values to a representative of American imperialism.
To be honest, I was very confused when I read this and thought it was vandalism at first. Is there any source supporting the claim that this is what "his reputation has changed to"? I only see one reference in the body that might support a related claim, but even then could not find anything claiming his reputation has changed to "a representative of American imperalism". 2601:547:901:3690:49EB:9670:2C4:1AC9 ( talk) 08:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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This article is clearly unbalanced, there is a lot more to Walt Disney than 'his legacy' or Mickey Mouse. He created a segment of an industry that profits from selling to children, and very acutely targeted selling at that. This should be discussed in much greater detail. His impact on American society is greatly understated, or at least, it is cast in the best possible light. Who wrote this article? It is partisan!
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The tone of this page seems wrong. It's a bit like a Disney infomercial. Also, the first paragraph seems to assume that the reader already knows who Walt Disney is, and I think that's an incorrect assumption in an encyclopedia. -- Pinkunicorn
Agreed. Not in any position to do anything about it though. :-(. -- drj
besides being gracious to Disney, it also violates being unfinished to let others add. I'd like to add a few things, but its gonna be hella hard without rewriting. ? Factually however, very informative. Alan D
I've taken out the worst and most sugary sentences, corrected a few myths and I think the addition to the first sentence livens it up. TwoOneTwo
I can't say that the new first sentence makes it any better. You still have the same problem as before of assuming I know stuff that I don't. Even if it is correct, I think the first paragraph should be something more informative than that. As long as the first sentence doesn't mention cartoons, it seems weird to me. -- Pinkunicorn
I think your comment, "union-busting communist-hating untalented artist," whatever its degree of accuracy, was in extremely poor taste, not to mention contrary to the neutral point of view. All the facts you wish to convey can be fairly conveyed--without engaging in partisan propaganda. I'm fully willing to admit that the article in its original form was probably a bit non-neutral, looking at it again. But I think it's really important that we don't go so far in the opposite direction. -- Larry Sanger
Why poor taste? True is true, even it rather baldly put.
But historically it certainly is not true.
Disney was no fan of unions but he would not be considered a "union buster" and did not practice many of the extreme strong armed anti-union tactics employed by big business in the 40s and 50s. Disney resented the notion that he didn't treat his employees fairly, when in fact, Disney Studios was then considered to be the cream of the crop of all the animation studios. Disney constantly strove to improve conditions for his studio artists and quality of their work environment. Unfortunately, there was still pay and incentive inequities within the system. Starting employees were making pennies in comparison to lead animators, who enjoyed an almost country club atmoshere (in fact, top animators actually enjoyed a private club at the studio). This is where the union came in, to correct the inequities and to provide collective bargaining power for all employees at Disney. And when the strike began things got angry very quickly. Disney took the strike very personally, especially when the anti-Disney signs and chanting began. He very quickly, dropped out of the negotiations picture and turned them over to Roy Disney, who in turn hired a very tough minded union negotiator; meanwhile Disney went on travel to South America for most of the strike period. To make a long story short, Disney studios met the union demands and has stayed a union operation- unopposed for its history. Disney, on the other hand grew to resent (and probably hate) the unions that created the strike and the inevitable "separation" that grew between Disney and his artists, and always kept a sharp eye out on the unions growing power.
And yes, as did most of the studio heads did in the 50's , Disney gave names of suspected "communist" members, by naming union representatives . Here, is where he finally got back at the unions who attacked his studio. Disney stongly believed in the strength of the free enterprise system; felt that unions were out to destroy it, and believed that communists were the driving force behind this movement- this is my opinion.
Finally , as far as being an "untalented artist", it should be noted that Disney never claimed to be a talented artist, only an artist; and within the world of commercial art was considered to be capable and talented. Although, in terms of animation, he could never match the sheer output of Ub Iwerks and other young artists at the time. Disney recognized this, and soon focused his efforts on project and story development and running the business side of the company. And as a business, Disney nutured the art of animation, recognized talent and rewarded artists for their efforts more than any studio during the golden age of animation. He also took enormous financial risks to push the art of animation and movies far beyond what other studios were willing to financially commit. Today, he is considered a visionary as a result of the achievments Disney and his dedicated staff of artists and engineers accomplished. He later showed this same commitment with the vision and the development of Disneyland. (C Brown July 2006)
Buena Vista was formed in 1953 (and put out its first film in November 1953), yet in the article there is a piece which suggests it came about in the late 1920s-early 1930s - what distribution company was this?
I've tried to take out some of the sugar, but it still needs a considerable cleanup. Whomever keeps writing from a fan's perspective, please go read about the neutral point of view. Disney did some great things, but his commercial, artistic (and possibly personal) track record had a number of blots in it, and they should be acknowledged. -- Robert Merkel
Someone screwed up the format of this article with some careless editing and hence rendered the revision diff quite unreadable. In the chaos, the information I added about Fairyland in Oakland California was removed. I believe it is relevant information because if Fairyland was a storybook theme park which Disneyland based on, then Disneyland cannot be claimed as the first theme park!!! See the history at http://www.fairyland.org .
who took out: When Charles Mintz raided Disney's animation studio and stole the rights to their character Oswald the Rabbit, Ub was the only associate to remain with ... etc. Cause that part seemed rather important...
Did disney animate any of his own cartoons after he formed his own company? steamboat willy was done by Iwerks. I don't know, butI don't think he animated ANY of them... --alan D
I moved the copyright issues to Walt Disney Company. Walt died 30 years ago, and it current copyright issues probably belong in an article about his company rather than on an article about him. Also a lot of this article needs to get refactored. Details on EPCOT and Walt Disney World probably should go there.
I propose breaking up the article into Walt Disney, the man who founded the enterprise -- and Disney, the corporation which owns ABC, Touchstone, Mirimax, etc. I daresay the company has taken on a life of its own, with Michael Eisner at the helm, in the years the death of the company's founder. -- Ed Poor
This article states that "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, released in 1937, was Disney's and the world's first feature-length animated film." But the article on animation history says that "The first animated feature-length film was El Apóstol (1917)". There is an error somewhere. My guess is that Snow White was the first American feature-length animated film. Are there anybody who can clarify this and make the appropriate changes? (OuroborosSlayer)
Shouldn't the statement that Disney was an "animator" be removed?
This article needs a SERIOUS rewrite. Besides being factually incorrect in a number of places, its prose is not encyclopediaic at all, and it also needs to be compacted.
What needs to be done is to create an article for the Walt Disney animation studio and reverse merge the bulk of that part of this article into that article (and also integrate what is now at Walt Disney Feature Animation and set up a redirect), and to make sure this article is primarily about Walt Disney the person, and not the studio, because trying to cover both in one article makes for, as exists now, something truly unwieldy.
I am presently starting on both articles now. We can work on them here until they are both completed, because it will take a while to complete both.:
-- b. Touch 18:38, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed this:
The name itself came from an occasion when a young Mickey Rooney walked into Disney's office whilst on a visit; Disney showed Rooney some pictures of Mortimer Mouse (as he was called at the time), and it occurred to him that the name Mickey would have a better ring to it.
...because it's not true. When Mickey Mouse was created in early 1928, Mickey Rooney wasn't even "Mickey Rooney": he was Joe Yule, Jr. playing "Mickey McGuire" in the Mickey McGuire series. Rooney's claim of Walt naming Mickey is only supported by his words: pratically every book written on Walt Disney and/or Mickey Mouse identifies Lillian as the one who came up with the name "Mickey".
A Google search finds this article, which makes the supposition obviously false, as Walt didn't work at Warner Bros..
-- b. Touch 00:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
can we say Walter Elias "Walt" Disney instead of Walter Elias Disney, commonly known as Walt Disney? -- b. Touch 20:00, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed the list of shorts from this article. This information is still available in the history, and should be included in a list of Disney animated shorts, which is a somewhat necessary article. -- b. Touch 02:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is no reason to place a link to the List of Disney animated features at the top of this page. Stop doing this. -- b. Touch 04:16, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Got a question for the Disney experts (as in the man, not the company) here. I've got another article here on Wikipedia that claims that Walt Disney was of Hispanic descent. Can anyone confirm or deny this for me so I can resolve this? As far as I know, he's roughly of Irish liniage. Thanks.-- Mitsukai 17:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
According to Bob Thomas's Walt Disney: An American Original, Disney's ancestors were French, who moved to England about 900 years ago. The name Disney comes from the French town, Isigny-sur-Mer, which became d'Isigny, and was then Anglicised to Disney. The family moved to Ireland, and in 1834 Arundel Elias Disney and his brother Robert sailed from Liverpool with their families to America. Elias's son Keppel had a son called Elias also, who became the father to Walter Elias Disney. Thats the best I can do.-- Speedway 18:17, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
More than enough. Near as I can tell, the Hispanic reference comes from his mother (Flora Call)'s side, but I can't confirm if she was of Hispanic lineage or not. I think there's enough doubt about it, however, that I can safely remove it. Thanks again.-- Mitsukai 18:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
That's based on old rumors that Walt and Roy Disney were either born in Spain and adopted by the Disneys, or that they were the children of Elias Disney and the family maid (!). Both are untrue, as far as we know. -- FuriousFreddy 00:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I think this part should be removed, for several reasons:
Please comment here - if most agree, I'll remove the Lengend section in a week or so, unless someone else does it first.
-- Janke | Talk 20:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
You guys have got to be kidding me. This article is incomplete without all the fantastic rumors and urban legends. There needs to be section about him being a Nazi sympathizers, birth in Spain, and being frozen, along with evidence both for and against. That's why I came to this page but it was strangely missing. I bet there's some Disney lawyers who visit the wikipedia Disney page 3 times a day making sure no one puts up anything that deviates from the official line. I smell a rat! Someone deleted *this* comment a day after I posted it. See French version of wikipeadia, the truth is out there. Please do not delete. Thank You. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.134.181.209 ( talk • contribs) .
We remove the subcategory completely, and put it in the "Trivia" section, like this:
If there's no strong opposition, I'll do it. -- Janke | Talk 07:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
PS. Should the snopes link go to the entire Disney legends index, or just to Wal'ts personal index? -- Janke | Talk 08:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, since no-one opposed, I'll cut down the legends stuff, and put it in trivia. --
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Let's keep down the Urban legends to just a few, please. (And only to those available/"confirmable" at the Snopes sites.) Otherwise this section may again grow uncontrollably. Thanks! -- Janke | Talk 06:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
The reference link to Donald Graham goes to the wrong Donald Graham. Disney did not enlist the help of the Washington Post guy who wasn't born yet ... I took the link off. That's all I edited.
Anybody else heard Walt was a cricket fan? An anon. poster insists on re-inserting this in trivia. Trivia should be closely watched IMHO - too much fluff, as it is. It could grow uncontrollably. -- Janke | Talk 06:08:10, 2005-08-28 (UTC)
... all sorts of stories coming out of the woodwork about Don Bradman now that he is dead. The best was in a newspaper here in Tassie which said that Donald Duck was named for the fact that in an exhibition match in the USA Don Bradman scored a duck.!!!!! Apparently not realising that Donald Duck is a bloody duck.!!!!! I mean if that's not drawing a rather long bow, I don't know what is. You can bet there will be a lot more stories yet.
The answer to that post was:
I'm not sure if you are serious? ...... Or joking? ......
And yes, please, do register. I can't send these messages straight to you, since your IP address keeps changing. -- Janke | Talk 13:14:41, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
From the "Testimony before Congress" section:
Walt Disney testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, and he named several of his employees as Communist sympathizers... Despite his motivations, the fact remains that several of Disney's employees were said to be Communist sympathizers."
WHAT??
Unless you happen to be an iron-fisted Stalinist dictator, you simply cannot justify a witch-hunt like this by claiming "the fact remains that rumours existed."
This whole page desperately needs a rewrite, preferably this time by someone who is not in the employ of this disney corporation. (Anon IP address)
Should we cut down on this? It's more than a screenful now? BTW, Disney as informant - is that documented anywhere else than in "Dark Prince"? If not, it might be removed, too. -- Janke | Talk 17:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Did Walt Disney graduate from high school or not? This article claims he did, but a Google search turns up countless articles saying he didn't; they say he only attended one year of high school, then left. One site does say he eventually received an honorary diploma from his high school—at age 58. What's the truth? Does he go in Category:High school dropouts or not? - Silence 08:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I found he that he didn't graduate high school either because he joined the Red Cross so he can serve in WWI. He lied about his age.- User:Azn_Clayjar 21 March 2006
Mickey Mouse is a happy mouse who is inlove with Minnie Mouse. Mickey wears red trousers with yellow buttons. He also has white shoes and white gloves. His eyes are big and he is a very famous character that Walt Disney created. This was not what Mickey mouse was like first though. He was actually going to be called Mortemor Mouse, and be a droopy, sarcastic mouse. Not at all like Mickey. It was Walt Disney's wife that suggested a happier younger mouse, who should be called Mickey.
Minnie Mouse is Mickey Mouse's love. She wears high heels, a yellow hat with a flower, and a polka-dotted dress. She to, like Mickey, wears White Gloves.
Goofy Goof is a dog. He is a friend of Mickey. He has a girlfriend who is a cow. He is not as bright as Mickey. Goofy has one son- Max Goof.
Donald Duck is a white duck. He wears a blue sailors suit with white buttons. He is a jealous and proud one who always likes to win or take things without working for them. He has the most rellatives, for he has three nephwes and is related to Mr. Scrooge (a very rich duck). Donald usually gets into the most trouble.
Pluto is Mickey's dog. His body is orange and his tail is black. He has had problems from little critters to sweaters.
Daisy Duck is Donald Duck's love. Minnie and Daisy are best friends just like Donald and Mickey. Daisy has a sweet, loving nature not so much like Donald.She has 3 nieces April, May and June Duck who are all girlfriends to Huey, Dewey and Louie Duck( Donald's cousins). Pete is Mickey's arch-enemy and is always trying to make things harder for Mickey.
Doesn't this better belong in the Ub Iwerks article, rather than here? It's been on and off for some time now. Consensus? -- Janke | Talk 21:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
This doesn't make sense! He moved to Kansas City… and still attended the Chicago Arts Institute? One hell of a commute, wouldn't you say? — Mproud 10:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
This article says Elias Disney died when he was 37 and Walt was seven. The article on Elias Disney says he he was born in 1859 (so he would have been 37 before Walt was even born) and died in 1941. OK, which is it?
I was wondering...was Walt Disney anti-semitic? I've heard that it was pretty well known that he hated Jews and that may have sponsored the rumour that he had Nazi-sympathies. It may be untrue that if one is anti-semetic, they are also Nazi's, but was he even anti-semitic?
Historically, Disney was in a constant struggle for survival against the major studios. Warner Brothers, Paramount, Fox, Columbia, Universal and MGM were all primarily ran and owned by Jewish principles, who controlled the vast majority of theatrical distribution of films and most of the talent in Hollywood(Check out the book, "An Empire of their Own", by Neal Gabler). Disney also lost his first cartoon character, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit to Universal and most of his artists left to work for Universal. So I'd imagine there had to be some animosity towards these powerful studios and with that "some" anti-semitic resentment. The only anti-semitic reference I've ever seen was a quote made when one of Disney's artists left to work for Universal and Disney supposedly made an anti-semitic remark towards the Universal ownership to the artist when he tendered his resignation, this I believe was in Gabler's book. But in terms of being anti-semitic or hating the Jewish race as a whole this is unfounded. (C.Brown July 2006)
Is this something worth adding to the bio...because Disney corp. is a powerful company and i doubt they want rumours on his bio...that..and well...if it's true...I'm sure they'd rather not have it up here...and we all know what that means....more sabotage of wikipedia.
I also heard that he was extremely prejudiced against blacks, and refused to hire any for as long as he ran Disney studios. Can anyone verify if this is true?-- Paradigm 15:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Not true... check out Floyd Norman, a very talented black artist who went to work for Disney, I believe in the mid 50s as an animator. Mr. Norman continues to work today, most recently with PIXAR. He has created a series of incredibly funny books which document his years in animation at Disney and in the animation industry, under the title "Faster! Cheaper!". (C. Brown July 2006)
"Eisenstein did not live long enough to discover that Disney later became an anti-Semitic, racist, union-bashing, anti-Communist right-winger." Ronald Bergan, Sergei Eisenstein: A Life in Conflict, The Overlook Press/Peter Mayer Publishers, Inc.: Woodstock, New York (1999), page 198: (I'm Theresa by the way. I'm doing a paper on this topic and this is the only usable resource I could find so far. If any one have any cited quotes like this please email me, worm_in_my_apple_16@yahoo.com)
Every single biography that is used as a reference on this article has been given the once over by Disney to ensure it keeps the image clean, and as such this article is completely whitewashed. There is only a couple of unofficial biographies that discuss what he was really like. Sure I think he was probably a creative genius, where is the fact that he was a misogynist, a racist, an anti-Semitic and an a spy and informant for Hoover. Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince. Is it going to be another whitewash of an a American Icon.
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Request to edit the line about Academy Award nominations to "Walt Disney holds the record for both the most Academy Award nominations for an individual (59) and the number of Oscars awarded (22)." Added the term "for an individual" as MGM holds more nominations (62) according to the Official Academy Awards Database. This source is already cited in the article so new source would not need to be added. ToeAndno ( talk) 22:35, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Request to edit the line "Disney patrolled around the place, introducing one land after another." Add after that "On opening day, the cement was still wet, so as people were walking through the parks they were sinking into the ground. Fortunately, they ended up going back to redo the pavement. opening — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chisomko1235 ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Request to add a paragraph about Walt Disney's Legacy. Walt Disney was an amazing man who changed the way we see entertainment for generations now and to come. Through all of his hard work he was able to make 653 films/shorts and act in a total of 124 films/shorts, and direct 114 films/shorts. Up to today people all around can enjoy his works on film. But, also Walt Disney legacy will forever live on in his theme parks across the world. Some of the locations are in Paris,California,Orlando, Florida, and Disney. One of his most famous quotes about one of his theme parks was that "It would never be finished as long as there was imagination in th world." As long as thern is children who can bring the imgination to life, Walt Disney's legacy will live on forever. Cite error: There are <ref>
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Okay, I'll "use the talk page for this one". An editor has objected to the descriptor "centaurette" to describe the half-black/half-donkey character, holding a watermelon, in Fantasia, on grounds that it is "politically incorrect". Really? If the centaur community is offended, I apologize -- but "centaurette" is the descriptor used by the cited source (Gabler), and Wikipedia is not supposed to be censored in any way. Why not use the popular term for this fictional character? It's a small point, I admit, but worthy of brief discussion, I think. BTW I also think the examples should be returned to the body of the text; their recent relegation to a footnote just complicates things for readers. Opinions appreciated. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/ talk to me! 21:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
"I wonder why you are resisting compromise. Editing is not a competition; we're supposed to be working together."
You realise this could be applied to you? The difference is that you haven't suggested a workable compromise: you want to go back to your wording or something that is horrible and verbose (which you've admitted yourself). I've suggested an alternative too, which you seem not to prefer, which is fine, but if we leave "centaurette" in there (complete with scare quotes), it'll be ripped out at FAC. Centaur is a gender neutral term (along the lines of human, alien, etc) so I wonder why you are resisting something quite indisputable in plain English. –
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We already have an article on female Centaurs: Centaurides. Which discusses both their depiction in ancient art and their depiction in Fantasia. Centaur has never been gender neutral. Dimadick ( talk) 20:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
This whole discussion is beside the point—why would the article draw attention to what the character was called anyways? The point is that it was a racial stereotype. By why do we need so many examples? This stuff was a dime a dozen at the time (and often far worse outside Disney). Pick the most prominent (if even that is necessary) and move on. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
there is a spelling error on this page that says employess instead of employees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyCool22 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
I think iconic characters like these deserve at least a brief mention, especially with mention things like the Three Little Pigs and the Old Mill which are also largely about the studio. LittleJerry ( talk) 17:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Folks, here's the scoop: We must keep this article within some reasonable length, focusing on WD's accomplishments, not the fame of his characters. We can't bog down with trivia, if we mention Donald and Goofy, well, who says they are more important than Minnie Mouse or Daisy Duck? We just can't go there, that is stuff for a spinoff article such as Cartoon characters introduced by Disney. Montanabw (talk) 22:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Was Walt Disney ambidextrous? This photo in the article maybe suggests the possibility. Moriori ( talk) 00:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
So, after gaining sanity back, I have come to see what the problem was. I think that CelebrityNeyWorth, although still generally all right, is a somewhat less professional source than Forbes, and they likely had made a mistake each here and about
Sam Walton, so let us see what the problem here is.
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After Flowers and Trees, one more Silly Symphony, the title Bugs in Love, was shot in black and white -- as was mentioned in the American Experience program on Walt Disney (and as is already stated in the articles here for the Silly Symphonies series and for Bugs in Love itself). So please change "All subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color." to "After one more black-and-white title, Bugs in Love, all subsequent Silly Symphony cartoons were in color."
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He was born in Nebraska 199.180.86.50 ( talk) 20:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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In this biography, you state that Walt Disney's mother was from the Province of Canada. Canada is not a province but a country. If you know what province she comes from (such as Ontario or Quebec) you could include that but otherwise, you could just edit for the country of Canada. Aschatteman ( talk) 19:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Walt Disney
Disneyland music song — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeydriandisney ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Why does the article not mention that Disney beat his children? ( 2A00:23C4:6393:E500:B049:A1FC:E66C:7A7C ( talk) 21:58, 11 April 2017 (UTC))
Can someone please make sure to state that this brilliant man, like most of the brilliant men, and women, was BORN, in good old CHICAGO!!!! He was always proud to be from his birthplace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.51.63 ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
The birth address is incorrect and should be: 2156 North Tripp Avenue, Chicago, ILlinois Source - Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-walt-disney-house-20150807-story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeilGale ( talk • contribs) 18:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
most of the citations are unreliable and/or false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.159.213 ( talk) 20:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
you can track and trace all walt disneys genealogy... he has several jewish if not all members ... dating back to 1650 - check at GENI.COM ... so probably Walt D. was a Zionist... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:23C:B900:F5B4:2332:C795:7183 ( talk) 10:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Jbening, in your first edit summary you asked "nothing in the WP article on MPAPAI suggests antisemitism; can anyone identify sources for such a connection?
" Yes, the source supplied at the end of the sentence is the one that is used. That the
MPAPAI is sadly lacking (most of the article seems to be the overly long quote of its statement of principals), is not a good reason for the overly wordy addition to this article. Better time would be spent updating the MPAPAI article to reflect the full extent of its views. I would also add that the source you used in your addition is appears to be of questionable
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Wikipedians who say TLDR should IMO be ashamed of themselves and have lost the moral authority to influence the article text. I'm happy to continue to discuss this if you like, but in the meantime..." "Lost the moral authority to influence the article text"? Possibly the most crass edit summary I have seen in a long time, and utterly ridiculous. If you want to go back to tedious walls of text, we can sit with the status quo and go over it all again, with you coming up with little more than an WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale.
D'Isigny is his REAL name. This is a Jewish name from France. They immigrated to Ireland. This also should dispel notions of antisemitism which is laughable. Disney donated to many Jewish charities. --
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Hello,
The article on Walt Disney does not mention how Disneyland got its name. I heard that Walt Disney visited a park in Oakland, California once. The name of the park was "Children's Fairyland". Disney was likely influenced by the name "Children's Fairyland", and put the "land" part of the "Children's Fairyland" name to his own park, that Disney would call "Disneyland". I don't see this fact written in the article.
Signed,
San Francisco Bay Area Resident 206.169.29.254 ( talk) 22:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
"After Disney's death, his studios continued to produce live-action films prolifically but largely abandoned animation until the late 1980s".
/info/en/?search=List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features and /info/en/?search=List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films seem to disagree witrh that statement ?
"After Disney's death, his studios continued to produce live-action films prolifically but largely abandoned animation until the late 1980s".
/info/en/?search=List_of_Disney_theatrical_animated_features and /info/en/?search=List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films seem to disagree with that statement, since even during his life animated features had 3-4 years between them ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.250.145.74 ( talk) 14:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
What on earth is this paragraph about? It appears to be citing a few paywalled academic papers and books from a critical theory perspective. Is this appropriate in a general biographical article? They seem to be, mostly, about the work Walt Disney produced, not about Disney himself. I'm sure you could reference hundreds of academic papers and books that analyze his reputation and impact on culture, why cite these particular papers and books? Are these authors considered experts on Walt Disney? Jbmcb ( talk) 03:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbmcb ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
There several problems with the statement regarding the supposed derivation of the Disneys from a Companion of William the Conqueror. First, the sources cited, while they may be appropriate for the life of Disney, are terribly inaccurate for material 800+ years before. The vast majority of such claims are completely inaccurate, and we have an article that detaills exactly hom many people can be proven to have fought with William the Conqueror in 1066. The tone itself in the first cited source indicates that it does not represent scholarly findings but is repeating 'just another such claim', family mythology. Just because a modern non-critical biographer mentions it as a curious supposed factoid is no reason to include it in the article. That brings us to point number 2. A very brief diversion in a book hundreds of pages long does not merit mention in an article that is a minute fraction of that size. The decision was already made that the inclusion of this material in the article-space gives it WP:UNDUE weight, but the solution is not to move it to an endnote - if it is too trivial to include in the article, then it is too trivial to force into a footnote. Most important is WP:NOTGENEALOGY, which indicates that family history is to be used to help understand the subject, not gratuitously, and we gain no further understanding of Walt Disney through the inclusion of this fictional ancestry from 800+ years before. Neither source cited even hints that Walt was aware of this claimed origin. Again, there may be a place for it in a book hundreds of pages long, but we need to be more selective, and hence more critical. So, fails WP:NOTGENEALOGY, fails WP:UNDUE, and fails WP:RS (with respect to this supposed claim). That is a recipe for removal. Agricolae ( talk) 01:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Whether his ancestor fought with William the Conqueror may be lost to history, but it is generally accepted that the name Disney derives from D'Isigny (from Isigny-sur-Mer), and I don't see why that cannot be included; heck, we already mention this in the Isigny-sur-Mer and Disney family articles, so why hold this article to a different standard? Funnyhat ( talk) 03:42, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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And to further clarify, definitely NOT a racist either. The guy loved Abraham Lincoln for Christ sakes. Definitely remove this.
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Please remove the anti-semitic statements. It is untrue and there is no reason to have that in the man’s wikipedia page. This page isn’t about what people believe Walt was, but actually what Walt was. Speculation has no place here. Rest of it confirmed. :)
Thanks, Me 2603:9001:C06:C02E:6D7E:2387:8D70:49C ( talk) 11:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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The lead currently says
His reputation changed in the years after his death, from a purveyor of homely patriotic values to a representative of American imperialism.
To be honest, I was very confused when I read this and thought it was vandalism at first. Is there any source supporting the claim that this is what "his reputation has changed to"? I only see one reference in the body that might support a related claim, but even then could not find anything claiming his reputation has changed to "a representative of American imperalism". 2601:547:901:3690:49EB:9670:2C4:1AC9 ( talk) 08:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)