Two years ago I did some detailed research into walnut shells and it's many uses, from industrial cleaners to lubricants. I wrote this up in Wikipedia, but it looks like someone decided it wasn't worthy of making it on "their" page and deleted it. My research took many a few days to compile and I thought it was valuable to the reader. Can someone please explain why this was removed. I can't see in the pages Edit history, as this only goes back to last year.
As this has now happened to a few research projects I have undertaken for Wikipedia over the years, this will be my very last post to Wikipedia where knowledge sharing now seems to take a back seat to wiki protocol.
Bitterly disappointed, Donovan Ransome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.128.75 ( talk) 12:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
It should not just be redirected to Juglans, but should be a page in its own right for the nut (as well as the juglans page, comparable with the other food/nut pages, such as Almond and Hazelnut pages, with the info box of nutrition. Would people favour creation of this page?
IceDragon64 ( talk) 13:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) "They need to be kept dry and refrigerated to store well; in warm conditions they become rancid in a few weeks, particularly after shelling." I keep 'm shelled in a vacuum container; they are perfectly edible after well over a year of storage. 83.160.162.119 18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
does anyone know how to harvest them? I just moved into a house that has a beautiful tree and I would like to take advantage of it.
Just pick 'em up off the ground and scrub off the mushy black hull. If you're in a hurry you can try whacking them down with a long stick, but they should come down on their own when ripe with no trouble. 9tmaxr ( talk) 07:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) I came to this page looking for nutritional information, but found nothing significant. Octothorn 12:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) "Walnuts are also an excellent source of omega-3 fatty acids, and have been shown as helpful in lowering cholesterol." This is in direct contradiction with Omega-3_fatty_acids, which states: "Walnuts (Juglans regia) contain small amounts of omega-3 yet high amounts of omega-6, so are likely to be detrimental in a diet already rich in omega-6.[3] Black walnuts (Juglans nigra) have a marginally more favorable omega-3:omega-6 ratio, but are still a poor means of improving the omega-3:omega-6 dietary ratio." 83.160.162.119 18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
If the common ratio in people's diets overall can be as high at 30:1 in favor of omega-6, and walnuts offer a 4:1 ratio, that's an improvement. If you ate nothing but 4:1 foods you'd be shrinking that enormous gap. It's still a diet with more omega-6 than omega-3, but given that it's a far larger proportion of the whole than other foods (say, a food that's 26:1)you're receiving more 3s and less 6s in terms of the nutritional density. At the very least, then, it's logical to say they are an excellent source of the acid, at least in relative terms. I can't speak to the second half about cholesterol. I couldn't find the quote or source any longer in the article you mentioned, so I can't be sure what they're referencing when referring to walnuts as a detriment, but semantically the argument doesn't wash unless it's substantiated somehow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.233.86 ( talk) 04:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The "Nuts" subsection contained the statement
with the reference
which appears to be a trade organization trying to make a convincing claim that you should buy its product.
On 2009Apr30, Flibirigit tried to fix the slipshod phrase "omega 3’s" (a contraction of "omega-3 fatty acids") by removing the "'s", citing something about the genitive case and plural tense. I have put the direct quote of the industry site back in its original form, and surrounded it with quotation marks. Perhaps we should completely delete the two sentences. Or find a more reliable reference for this alleged information (I have tried and failed). In any case, we should not try to fix a sales pitch of unclear veracity to make it seem more reliable than it is.
Jay L09 (
talk) 03:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) On 2 Feb 2010, Heroeswithmetaphors ( talk) removed the cautionary clause about a commercial source and unidentified black walnut species, and replaced it with an apparently irrelevant statement that there are 17 species of black walnut, together with a "fact" tag disputing the new assertion. Heroeswithmetaphors left the slipshod commercial statement. 128.84.183.111 subsequently added some commercial messages that were even more clearly POV, and spread the tag to several of the species that had earlier been identified as "black walnuts", and Favonian ( talk, recognizing the blatant POV hidden inside the additional spurious "fact" tags, reverted the changes by 128.84.183.111, but left the old POV material. (summary by Jay L09 ( talk) 15:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC))
I have now removed the questioned claim that there are 17 species of black walnut, together with the commercial claim about "omega 3’s". A longer discussion about the fatty acid contents of various walnut species, organized by section, has been retained. Jay L09 ( talk) 15:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The link alleging aphrodisiac effects [1] was placed here without a signature. The article, which seems to be suggesting that (English) walnuts are some sort magical cure for erectile dysfunction (ED) actually shows that extreme malnutrition can cause ED, and that walnuts contain protein—no news. Jay L09 ( talk) 08:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Stumbled upon this article: A Walnut Diet Improves Endothelial Function in Hypercholesterolemic Subjects. A Randomized Crossover Trial ( PMID 15037535). If the information is true, it would be good to include the health claims of walnut consumption in the article.-- CopperKettle 02:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC) P.S. A quote from the article: Nuts are fatty foods rich in unsaturated fatty acids.1 Epidemiological studies have shown that frequent nut consumption decreases the risk of coronary artery disease (CAD), with adjusted relative risk reductions approaching 50% for nut intakes of >4 to 5 servings per week compared with little or no intake.2–4 Feeding trials have demonstrated that healthy diets enriched with a variety of nuts consistently reduce total and LDL cholesterol by 5% to 15%.1,4–8 The lipid effects of nut intake only explain in part the CAD risk reduction observed in prospective studies, suggesting that nuts might have antiatherosclerotic effects beyond cholesterol lowering.
Besides having a favorable fatty acid profile, nuts are a rich source of bioactive compounds with potential benefit on CAD risk such as dietary fiber, folic acid, and antioxidants.1 Nuts also contain sizeable amounts of L-arginine, the precursor amino acid of the endogenous vasodilator nitric oxide (NO).9 Walnuts differ from all other nuts by a high content of -linolenic acid (ALA), a vegetable n-3 fatty acid,10 which might confer them additional antiatherogenic properties.11-- CopperKettle 02:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
After reading the journal article referenced by CopperKettle, I have "cleaned" the treatment of this study, as follows:
This entire section seems to deal with English walnuts (Juglans regia). I have moved the section on health benefits from the Juglans page to the Juglans regia page. Jay L09 ( talk) 17:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
“ | According to one source[5]"One ounce of black walnut has 16.7 grams of total fat and .57 grams of omega 3’s. One ounce of English walnuts has 18.5 grams of total fat and 2.6 grams of omega 3’s." | ” |
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) I've npov-tagged this new section. It's far too large, missing key information (such as what types of walnuts were studied), and is based upon individual studies rather than reviews indicating medical consensus. See WP:MEDRS. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The exaggerated claims of health benefits make me suspect that commercial interests are being supported ( Miimno ( talk) 21:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC))
I edited the statement so it's no longer "how to". You could have edited it further yourself if it was still not to your satisfaction. There is no justification for removing the entire paragraph containing information from a presentation to the American Chemical Society. It's strange that you would remove sourced material published in the BBC and Time Magazine http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/29/the-supernut-walnuts-pack-a-powerful-dose-of-antioxidants/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12865291 while completely unreferenced advertising material does not seem to bother you at all. Why haven't you removed this material if you're so genuinely concerned about advertising? It doesn't have even the apparently unreliable BBC to support it:
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Three tables containing extensive information on all the nutritional characteristics of three different species seems excessive. Right now the nutrition data goes all the way into the external links section and displaces several images. I guess I don't mind the three species being present, but I really don't see the need for that level of detail for three species, which is why I only included basic information like fat, protein, carbohydrates and total energy. Including three tables with this brief summary makes sense to me, but three full ones with all the available vitamin and mineral information seems like something you would include in the daughter articles. Makes sense to me to have only the information from the English walnut or whichever is most commonly eaten. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 20:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Also note that the USDA database information is about the English walnut, dried black walnut and the butternut, not the Persian. The picture is also of an English walnut, not Persian. I also removed the caffeine, alcohol, B12 and any other fields that were empty. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 20:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
More modest information should be presented than the exaggerated and partially substantiated assertions vis-á-vis "health benefits" and "antioxidants". I am thinking along the lines of the previous comment to include only generic nutritional information for certain species commonly produced specifically for food. ( Miimno ( talk) 21:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC))
Some mention or at least link should be made concerning the special and highly sought after properties of the wood of the walnut tree. It carves and takes checkering and engraving like a dream, and accepts linseed and other oil coatings like a dream.26 December 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.40.140 ( talk) 05:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
The second paragraph goes on about how bad it can be. Very important info, I guess. But pretty useless unless you're going describe how to actually identify it. If it can't easily be identified, then shouldn't that be noted? 122.59.225.50 ( talk) 11:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Saw section on 'cleaning', updated what a CH-47 is , by adding a reference to the actual page for a CH-47, a type of helicopter, but saw that there was no reference to the actual incident that the paragraph mentions. While any machine that fails, is catastrophic, it should have a reference. I have not found one yet. Added the keyword citation needed to the paragraph end. Richard416282 ( talk) 14:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The ideal temperature for longest possible storage of walnut seeds is in the -3 to 0℃ and low humidity — for industrial and home storage. However, such refrigeration technologies are unavailable in developing countries where walnuts are produced in large quantities; there, walnut seeds are best stored below 25℃ and low humidity.
So walnut seeds are ideally stored at -3 to 0℃ except in developing countries where they are best stored "below 25℃". This needs re-wording. Tonywalton Talk 23:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
The numerous references to walnut seeds are clumsy and add nothing useful. Presumably they are seeds by the formal botanical definition, but in normal language they are just walnuts. I propose we use should only walnut seeds if it is necessary to distinguish them from walnut trees or walnut timber. Any comments? Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Pickled walnuts can be either savory or sweet depending on in what is the packing concentrate. Both are pickled in a brine as to rid them of their tannin but the sweet are cooked in a simple syrup in which after the appropriate time they are then packed. GinAndChronically ( talk) 08:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
This is like being on a carousel going up and down and all around and getting absolutely no where. I've seen green walnut and fully ripe walnut pickled. I have eaten them. I have seen recipes for MANY types of these "pickled" walnuts. A;; I know is that I am not over your shoulder peering at what it is that you have reviewed. I go on the internet (not goggle) and see these things. Am, I hallucinating? What is to be said about those recipes that include malt vinegar and brown sugar? There are ENFLESS recipes depending on the tradition of the area, the practice of the person and the ingredients availability to the person. Britain does not hold from the remainder of the world the capability to pickle walnuts. I am not forcing any one to believe anything although it just might be funny to see how people react to pulling of their leg. But I do not believe that it will end up as an episode on America's Funniest Videos. When I start on the canning of my pickled green walnuts this week I will be using a mutlittude of ingredients including sugar, vinegar, spices, peel, blah blah blah. All I can say is review the internet and you will see a life much different than what is to be believed. GinAndChronically ( talk) 16:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
please see this comparison of changes to see which specific changes I am referring to: history diff
I wanted to point out that someone probably with vested interest will come back and add the claim to the text again. The text I had written simply reorganized the data and showed that plant-derived ALA does have health benefits. Removing the claim that long-chain omega-3s are healthier is risky because some will want to promote the differences, and I expect they will find a way back into the article. If that does happen, personally I don't have a complaint to it, but I feel that the text as it was before either of us changed the article was definitely misleading in showing ALAs and other nutrients in walnuts as not beneficial to health.
I'd ask that anyone adding back in distinctions and nuances about different omegas threes please re-add my edit that shows unambiguously the US government's claim that plant derived ALAs are beneficial to health. — robbie page talk 14:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Walnut lumber is a gorgeous furniture wood. Why is this not even mentioned? Hermanoere ( talk) 23:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
since people are posting refs in text here:
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Walnut/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs more refs and more on the uses of this nut. -- Warfreak 10:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
"according to Cancer Research UK, "there is no scientific evidence to prove that flower remedies can control, cure or prevent any type of disease, including cancer"
According to the Nutrition and Cancer journal, Mercola, WebMD, and truck load of other links, walnuts actually help prevent breast cancer. Surely we should mention that as well?
http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/news/20090421/walnuts-fight-breast-cancer http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/immunity/9_foods_for_breast_cancer_prevention?page=9 and so on — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.247.155.33 ( talk) 00:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
""The husks of the black walnut Juglans nigra were once used to make an ink for writing and drawing, having been used by artists including Leonardo da Vinci ""
How would Leonardo get access to black walnut husks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:C640:1970:B8D7:19E9:967E:EEA0 ( talk) 15:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
WP walnut articles currently clearly imply that Persian and English are interchangeable names for Juglans regia walnuts. But it appears this is wrong: the Red walnut was created in the 1990s by carefully combining the Persian and English varieties -- which makes no sense if these two things are the same. If you understand this subject, please improve the articles to explain the distinction between Persian and English walnuts.
"Red walnuts were created by researchers at the University of California, Davis. They crossed a regular Persian walnut with a variety identified as RA1088, which has reddish-brown seed coat. The first cross was made in 1991 and in 1999, they filed for a patent. In 2001, this U.S. plant patent was granted as number 12,264. It is now the most widely sold red-skinned walnut in the world.
"It was created by fertilizing a regular walnut with an unusual – yet naturally occurring – variety that has a reddish skin. That one was obtained from a seed bank in Bordeaux, France (Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Station de Recherches d’Arboriculture Fruitiere). You may be surprised to learn that the regular variety, as well as the one from the seed bank, are both of the same species; Juglans regia. You might not recognize that scientific name, but the common names you will; Persian or English walnuts. Both are the same thing.
"The rare red-purple versions have been documented by botanists since at least the 18th century. These variations of the regular walnut have been growing wild in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and the Czech Republic. Called blood walnuts or “blutwalnuss” in German, they are purple walnuts with a dark and blotchy skin. They are edible but were never cultivated, because historically, the market has fancied light-skinned nuts with a uniform appearance. UC Davis captured the best of both – the creamy flavor and consistency of the traditional English, with the color and pizazz of a wild blood variety."
"There are other colored varieties too:
Analyzing the discussions of breeding these new Red varieties, it seems that Persian and English are both common names for Juglans regia walnuts, and are interchangeable for many common purposes -- yet do not mean entirely exactly the same thing. In detailed tech sort of context discussions, English seems to be a more narrow term for the most common commercial varieties, and Persian is used more broadly for the entire species, particularly including rare, odd, wild, and older ancestral varieties.- 73.61.15.212 ( talk) 21:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
[ [2]] (and [ [3]], [ [4]]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.166.39.223 ( talk) 16:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Two years ago I did some detailed research into walnut shells and it's many uses, from industrial cleaners to lubricants. I wrote this up in Wikipedia, but it looks like someone decided it wasn't worthy of making it on "their" page and deleted it. My research took many a few days to compile and I thought it was valuable to the reader. Can someone please explain why this was removed. I can't see in the pages Edit history, as this only goes back to last year.
As this has now happened to a few research projects I have undertaken for Wikipedia over the years, this will be my very last post to Wikipedia where knowledge sharing now seems to take a back seat to wiki protocol.
Bitterly disappointed, Donovan Ransome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.128.75 ( talk) 12:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
It should not just be redirected to Juglans, but should be a page in its own right for the nut (as well as the juglans page, comparable with the other food/nut pages, such as Almond and Hazelnut pages, with the info box of nutrition. Would people favour creation of this page?
IceDragon64 ( talk) 13:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) "They need to be kept dry and refrigerated to store well; in warm conditions they become rancid in a few weeks, particularly after shelling." I keep 'm shelled in a vacuum container; they are perfectly edible after well over a year of storage. 83.160.162.119 18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
does anyone know how to harvest them? I just moved into a house that has a beautiful tree and I would like to take advantage of it.
Just pick 'em up off the ground and scrub off the mushy black hull. If you're in a hurry you can try whacking them down with a long stick, but they should come down on their own when ripe with no trouble. 9tmaxr ( talk) 07:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) I came to this page looking for nutritional information, but found nothing significant. Octothorn 12:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) "Walnuts are also an excellent source of omega-3 fatty acids, and have been shown as helpful in lowering cholesterol." This is in direct contradiction with Omega-3_fatty_acids, which states: "Walnuts (Juglans regia) contain small amounts of omega-3 yet high amounts of omega-6, so are likely to be detrimental in a diet already rich in omega-6.[3] Black walnuts (Juglans nigra) have a marginally more favorable omega-3:omega-6 ratio, but are still a poor means of improving the omega-3:omega-6 dietary ratio." 83.160.162.119 18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
If the common ratio in people's diets overall can be as high at 30:1 in favor of omega-6, and walnuts offer a 4:1 ratio, that's an improvement. If you ate nothing but 4:1 foods you'd be shrinking that enormous gap. It's still a diet with more omega-6 than omega-3, but given that it's a far larger proportion of the whole than other foods (say, a food that's 26:1)you're receiving more 3s and less 6s in terms of the nutritional density. At the very least, then, it's logical to say they are an excellent source of the acid, at least in relative terms. I can't speak to the second half about cholesterol. I couldn't find the quote or source any longer in the article you mentioned, so I can't be sure what they're referencing when referring to walnuts as a detriment, but semantically the argument doesn't wash unless it's substantiated somehow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.233.86 ( talk) 04:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The "Nuts" subsection contained the statement
with the reference
which appears to be a trade organization trying to make a convincing claim that you should buy its product.
On 2009Apr30, Flibirigit tried to fix the slipshod phrase "omega 3’s" (a contraction of "omega-3 fatty acids") by removing the "'s", citing something about the genitive case and plural tense. I have put the direct quote of the industry site back in its original form, and surrounded it with quotation marks. Perhaps we should completely delete the two sentences. Or find a more reliable reference for this alleged information (I have tried and failed). In any case, we should not try to fix a sales pitch of unclear veracity to make it seem more reliable than it is.
Jay L09 (
talk) 03:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) On 2 Feb 2010, Heroeswithmetaphors ( talk) removed the cautionary clause about a commercial source and unidentified black walnut species, and replaced it with an apparently irrelevant statement that there are 17 species of black walnut, together with a "fact" tag disputing the new assertion. Heroeswithmetaphors left the slipshod commercial statement. 128.84.183.111 subsequently added some commercial messages that were even more clearly POV, and spread the tag to several of the species that had earlier been identified as "black walnuts", and Favonian ( talk, recognizing the blatant POV hidden inside the additional spurious "fact" tags, reverted the changes by 128.84.183.111, but left the old POV material. (summary by Jay L09 ( talk) 15:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC))
I have now removed the questioned claim that there are 17 species of black walnut, together with the commercial claim about "omega 3’s". A longer discussion about the fatty acid contents of various walnut species, organized by section, has been retained. Jay L09 ( talk) 15:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The link alleging aphrodisiac effects [1] was placed here without a signature. The article, which seems to be suggesting that (English) walnuts are some sort magical cure for erectile dysfunction (ED) actually shows that extreme malnutrition can cause ED, and that walnuts contain protein—no news. Jay L09 ( talk) 08:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Stumbled upon this article: A Walnut Diet Improves Endothelial Function in Hypercholesterolemic Subjects. A Randomized Crossover Trial ( PMID 15037535). If the information is true, it would be good to include the health claims of walnut consumption in the article.-- CopperKettle 02:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC) P.S. A quote from the article: Nuts are fatty foods rich in unsaturated fatty acids.1 Epidemiological studies have shown that frequent nut consumption decreases the risk of coronary artery disease (CAD), with adjusted relative risk reductions approaching 50% for nut intakes of >4 to 5 servings per week compared with little or no intake.2–4 Feeding trials have demonstrated that healthy diets enriched with a variety of nuts consistently reduce total and LDL cholesterol by 5% to 15%.1,4–8 The lipid effects of nut intake only explain in part the CAD risk reduction observed in prospective studies, suggesting that nuts might have antiatherosclerotic effects beyond cholesterol lowering.
Besides having a favorable fatty acid profile, nuts are a rich source of bioactive compounds with potential benefit on CAD risk such as dietary fiber, folic acid, and antioxidants.1 Nuts also contain sizeable amounts of L-arginine, the precursor amino acid of the endogenous vasodilator nitric oxide (NO).9 Walnuts differ from all other nuts by a high content of -linolenic acid (ALA), a vegetable n-3 fatty acid,10 which might confer them additional antiatherogenic properties.11-- CopperKettle 02:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
After reading the journal article referenced by CopperKettle, I have "cleaned" the treatment of this study, as follows:
This entire section seems to deal with English walnuts (Juglans regia). I have moved the section on health benefits from the Juglans page to the Juglans regia page. Jay L09 ( talk) 17:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
“ | According to one source[5]"One ounce of black walnut has 16.7 grams of total fat and .57 grams of omega 3’s. One ounce of English walnuts has 18.5 grams of total fat and 2.6 grams of omega 3’s." | ” |
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) I've npov-tagged this new section. It's far too large, missing key information (such as what types of walnuts were studied), and is based upon individual studies rather than reviews indicating medical consensus. See WP:MEDRS. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) The exaggerated claims of health benefits make me suspect that commercial interests are being supported ( Miimno ( talk) 21:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC))
I edited the statement so it's no longer "how to". You could have edited it further yourself if it was still not to your satisfaction. There is no justification for removing the entire paragraph containing information from a presentation to the American Chemical Society. It's strange that you would remove sourced material published in the BBC and Time Magazine http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/29/the-supernut-walnuts-pack-a-powerful-dose-of-antioxidants/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12865291 while completely unreferenced advertising material does not seem to bother you at all. Why haven't you removed this material if you're so genuinely concerned about advertising? It doesn't have even the apparently unreliable BBC to support it:
(originally posted under Juglans — Jay L09 ( talk) 12:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Three tables containing extensive information on all the nutritional characteristics of three different species seems excessive. Right now the nutrition data goes all the way into the external links section and displaces several images. I guess I don't mind the three species being present, but I really don't see the need for that level of detail for three species, which is why I only included basic information like fat, protein, carbohydrates and total energy. Including three tables with this brief summary makes sense to me, but three full ones with all the available vitamin and mineral information seems like something you would include in the daughter articles. Makes sense to me to have only the information from the English walnut or whichever is most commonly eaten. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 20:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Also note that the USDA database information is about the English walnut, dried black walnut and the butternut, not the Persian. The picture is also of an English walnut, not Persian. I also removed the caffeine, alcohol, B12 and any other fields that were empty. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 20:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
More modest information should be presented than the exaggerated and partially substantiated assertions vis-á-vis "health benefits" and "antioxidants". I am thinking along the lines of the previous comment to include only generic nutritional information for certain species commonly produced specifically for food. ( Miimno ( talk) 21:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC))
Some mention or at least link should be made concerning the special and highly sought after properties of the wood of the walnut tree. It carves and takes checkering and engraving like a dream, and accepts linseed and other oil coatings like a dream.26 December 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.40.140 ( talk) 05:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
The second paragraph goes on about how bad it can be. Very important info, I guess. But pretty useless unless you're going describe how to actually identify it. If it can't easily be identified, then shouldn't that be noted? 122.59.225.50 ( talk) 11:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Saw section on 'cleaning', updated what a CH-47 is , by adding a reference to the actual page for a CH-47, a type of helicopter, but saw that there was no reference to the actual incident that the paragraph mentions. While any machine that fails, is catastrophic, it should have a reference. I have not found one yet. Added the keyword citation needed to the paragraph end. Richard416282 ( talk) 14:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The ideal temperature for longest possible storage of walnut seeds is in the -3 to 0℃ and low humidity — for industrial and home storage. However, such refrigeration technologies are unavailable in developing countries where walnuts are produced in large quantities; there, walnut seeds are best stored below 25℃ and low humidity.
So walnut seeds are ideally stored at -3 to 0℃ except in developing countries where they are best stored "below 25℃". This needs re-wording. Tonywalton Talk 23:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
The numerous references to walnut seeds are clumsy and add nothing useful. Presumably they are seeds by the formal botanical definition, but in normal language they are just walnuts. I propose we use should only walnut seeds if it is necessary to distinguish them from walnut trees or walnut timber. Any comments? Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Pickled walnuts can be either savory or sweet depending on in what is the packing concentrate. Both are pickled in a brine as to rid them of their tannin but the sweet are cooked in a simple syrup in which after the appropriate time they are then packed. GinAndChronically ( talk) 08:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
This is like being on a carousel going up and down and all around and getting absolutely no where. I've seen green walnut and fully ripe walnut pickled. I have eaten them. I have seen recipes for MANY types of these "pickled" walnuts. A;; I know is that I am not over your shoulder peering at what it is that you have reviewed. I go on the internet (not goggle) and see these things. Am, I hallucinating? What is to be said about those recipes that include malt vinegar and brown sugar? There are ENFLESS recipes depending on the tradition of the area, the practice of the person and the ingredients availability to the person. Britain does not hold from the remainder of the world the capability to pickle walnuts. I am not forcing any one to believe anything although it just might be funny to see how people react to pulling of their leg. But I do not believe that it will end up as an episode on America's Funniest Videos. When I start on the canning of my pickled green walnuts this week I will be using a mutlittude of ingredients including sugar, vinegar, spices, peel, blah blah blah. All I can say is review the internet and you will see a life much different than what is to be believed. GinAndChronically ( talk) 16:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
please see this comparison of changes to see which specific changes I am referring to: history diff
I wanted to point out that someone probably with vested interest will come back and add the claim to the text again. The text I had written simply reorganized the data and showed that plant-derived ALA does have health benefits. Removing the claim that long-chain omega-3s are healthier is risky because some will want to promote the differences, and I expect they will find a way back into the article. If that does happen, personally I don't have a complaint to it, but I feel that the text as it was before either of us changed the article was definitely misleading in showing ALAs and other nutrients in walnuts as not beneficial to health.
I'd ask that anyone adding back in distinctions and nuances about different omegas threes please re-add my edit that shows unambiguously the US government's claim that plant derived ALAs are beneficial to health. — robbie page talk 14:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Walnut lumber is a gorgeous furniture wood. Why is this not even mentioned? Hermanoere ( talk) 23:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
since people are posting refs in text here:
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Needs more refs and more on the uses of this nut. -- Warfreak 10:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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"according to Cancer Research UK, "there is no scientific evidence to prove that flower remedies can control, cure or prevent any type of disease, including cancer"
According to the Nutrition and Cancer journal, Mercola, WebMD, and truck load of other links, walnuts actually help prevent breast cancer. Surely we should mention that as well?
http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/news/20090421/walnuts-fight-breast-cancer http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/immunity/9_foods_for_breast_cancer_prevention?page=9 and so on — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.247.155.33 ( talk) 00:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
""The husks of the black walnut Juglans nigra were once used to make an ink for writing and drawing, having been used by artists including Leonardo da Vinci ""
How would Leonardo get access to black walnut husks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:C640:1970:B8D7:19E9:967E:EEA0 ( talk) 15:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
WP walnut articles currently clearly imply that Persian and English are interchangeable names for Juglans regia walnuts. But it appears this is wrong: the Red walnut was created in the 1990s by carefully combining the Persian and English varieties -- which makes no sense if these two things are the same. If you understand this subject, please improve the articles to explain the distinction between Persian and English walnuts.
"Red walnuts were created by researchers at the University of California, Davis. They crossed a regular Persian walnut with a variety identified as RA1088, which has reddish-brown seed coat. The first cross was made in 1991 and in 1999, they filed for a patent. In 2001, this U.S. plant patent was granted as number 12,264. It is now the most widely sold red-skinned walnut in the world.
"It was created by fertilizing a regular walnut with an unusual – yet naturally occurring – variety that has a reddish skin. That one was obtained from a seed bank in Bordeaux, France (Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Station de Recherches d’Arboriculture Fruitiere). You may be surprised to learn that the regular variety, as well as the one from the seed bank, are both of the same species; Juglans regia. You might not recognize that scientific name, but the common names you will; Persian or English walnuts. Both are the same thing.
"The rare red-purple versions have been documented by botanists since at least the 18th century. These variations of the regular walnut have been growing wild in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and the Czech Republic. Called blood walnuts or “blutwalnuss” in German, they are purple walnuts with a dark and blotchy skin. They are edible but were never cultivated, because historically, the market has fancied light-skinned nuts with a uniform appearance. UC Davis captured the best of both – the creamy flavor and consistency of the traditional English, with the color and pizazz of a wild blood variety."
"There are other colored varieties too:
Analyzing the discussions of breeding these new Red varieties, it seems that Persian and English are both common names for Juglans regia walnuts, and are interchangeable for many common purposes -- yet do not mean entirely exactly the same thing. In detailed tech sort of context discussions, English seems to be a more narrow term for the most common commercial varieties, and Persian is used more broadly for the entire species, particularly including rare, odd, wild, and older ancestral varieties.- 73.61.15.212 ( talk) 21:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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