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Claymores, as illustrated in the wiki article on them here: /info/en/?search=Claymore are Scottish variants of two-handed swords in Europe and originate in the 15th Century. To call Wallace's blade a claymore is an anachronism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.220.81.108 ( talk) 00:45, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The dimensions quoted are not credible: "The blade of the sword measures 4 feet and 11.5 inches in length and including the handle 5 feet and 4 inches". This makes the handle a mere 4.5 inches long (less than 12 cm), which is obviously incorrect on two counts:
The page at http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/wallace/sword.htm gives the dimensions as 52 inch blade (4 feet 4 inches) and 66 inches total (5 feet 6 inches), giving a total handle length of 14 inches, which is 21%. I find these figures much more believable. Andreclos ( talk) 12:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Just to add to that, the weight sounds way to light. Whoever heard of a 6 lb claymore? From what I can estimate, that's about the weight of a small cat. I can only think it's an error and they meant to type 60 lbs. 85.211.156.230 ( talk) 11:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I am 6 foot 2 inches tall, roughly 200 pounds. I have been involved in sport combat, medieval recreation battles, and various martial arts for 30 years, but I am neither visibly "musclebound" nor unusually strong for a person of my height and weight. I have used and can use a 66 inch or longer sword without any problems. The limiting factor is typically weight and not length. Different form and technique must be used when employing a sword longer than the distance from one's hand to the ground, and there are extreme differences in technique that must be employed when using a sword longer than one's height, but it is not necessary to be extremely tall to use a long sword. (Unsigned comment from 207.27. 178.270 08 November 2008)
There is an article about the sword in a recent book about Wallace, whose title I do not have to hand. This is a 2-handed sword, which is only first recorded in Scotland at the start of the 16th century. Also, is is only first mentioned as being in Dumbarton Castle in the 17th century. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The book is called 'The Wallace Book' and it is a collection of excellent essays by experts on medieval Scotland. There is no question that the 'Wallace' sword at the Wallace monumnent was made long after the death of Wallace.CB, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.184.102 ( talk) 16:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, the source actually makes an allowance for not having a fuller, so don't use it to support that no fuller means its a fake, or at least word it better. And again, real sources, a plus. If you have a real book by real historians, quote it and source it. Properly.
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Claymores, as illustrated in the wiki article on them here: /info/en/?search=Claymore are Scottish variants of two-handed swords in Europe and originate in the 15th Century. To call Wallace's blade a claymore is an anachronism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.220.81.108 ( talk) 00:45, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The dimensions quoted are not credible: "The blade of the sword measures 4 feet and 11.5 inches in length and including the handle 5 feet and 4 inches". This makes the handle a mere 4.5 inches long (less than 12 cm), which is obviously incorrect on two counts:
The page at http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/wallace/sword.htm gives the dimensions as 52 inch blade (4 feet 4 inches) and 66 inches total (5 feet 6 inches), giving a total handle length of 14 inches, which is 21%. I find these figures much more believable. Andreclos ( talk) 12:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Just to add to that, the weight sounds way to light. Whoever heard of a 6 lb claymore? From what I can estimate, that's about the weight of a small cat. I can only think it's an error and they meant to type 60 lbs. 85.211.156.230 ( talk) 11:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I am 6 foot 2 inches tall, roughly 200 pounds. I have been involved in sport combat, medieval recreation battles, and various martial arts for 30 years, but I am neither visibly "musclebound" nor unusually strong for a person of my height and weight. I have used and can use a 66 inch or longer sword without any problems. The limiting factor is typically weight and not length. Different form and technique must be used when employing a sword longer than the distance from one's hand to the ground, and there are extreme differences in technique that must be employed when using a sword longer than one's height, but it is not necessary to be extremely tall to use a long sword. (Unsigned comment from 207.27. 178.270 08 November 2008)
There is an article about the sword in a recent book about Wallace, whose title I do not have to hand. This is a 2-handed sword, which is only first recorded in Scotland at the start of the 16th century. Also, is is only first mentioned as being in Dumbarton Castle in the 17th century. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The book is called 'The Wallace Book' and it is a collection of excellent essays by experts on medieval Scotland. There is no question that the 'Wallace' sword at the Wallace monumnent was made long after the death of Wallace.CB, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.184.102 ( talk) 16:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, the source actually makes an allowance for not having a fuller, so don't use it to support that no fuller means its a fake, or at least word it better. And again, real sources, a plus. If you have a real book by real historians, quote it and source it. Properly.