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The title of this article really should be "Wall of Shame" (in quotation marks) as it is about a term rather than an object or group of objects. I tried to change it but I got a message back that I can't rename the article either because I am not logged in, I am blocked or my account is too new. Neither of the first two are true and I can find no explanation of how old an account needs to be in order for me to be able to rename an article. I was directed to WP:RN where I could "request" the moving/renaming, but the instructions there made my head start to spin, so I gave up. Someone who knows the secret handshake should consider making this change (and see my similar comment on Apartheid Wall.) 6SJ7 23:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The wall separating the Panama Canal Zone from the rest of Panama was referred to as a "fence of shame." See Martyrs' Day. -- TheMightyQuill 09:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe that anyone really knows the precise reasons for Hadrian's Wall as the historical record surrounding the wall is quite sparse. The only reasoning for building the wall lays behind historical speculation based on extremely limited evidence. I think that it's inappropriate to state that it was built to keep out invaders. There are a great number of theories on why Hadrian ordered the building of the wall. -- Strothra 04:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved here the following sign since it is inadecuate to highlite in such way the personal vision of what this article should talk about. In any case, the article as it is today referrs to what the users mention in the ugly sign. Boninho 17:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC) {{cleanup-cliche|brick-and-mortar walls dividing geographical entities: "wall of shame" can also be used for a non-dividing wall, virtual or real, where the ''surface'' is used to collect or advertise shameful content, examples: [http://www.mugglenet.com/wallofshame.shtml] - [http://www.neopets.com/wallofshame.phtml]; also layout-wise the article should be improved, suggesting subdivisions}}
There are two general meanings to "wall of shame" covered in the article, and I moved an explanation to the intro, for clarity.
Much of the article focused on physical walls. Some of the historical background wasn't really relevant to the topic of the article, so I moved it elsewhere. Some of the content seemed to be trying to prove the point that modern barriers are only used as a means of civilian control, and this seemed a little POV and I presume it was original research because there were no references.
I removed this claim:
because I could think of at least one possible counterexample. (The Israeli West Bank barrier could be construed as an example of a defensive wall, since it does have a military purpose (to prevent suicide bombings and other attacks inside Israel). This does not to say there might not be other reasons for its constructions, or that it doesn't have effects on civilians.) But the claim is rather strong, and is the sort of thing that definitely needs a reference to a reliable source if it's to be included.
Shouldn't the title of this article be "Wall of shame"? Wikipedia uses downcase style, which only capitalizes the first word, unless otherwise required by English capitalization rules. "Wall of shame" is not a proper noun; it refers to the generic phenomemon, not any particular wall. -- Beland 02:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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It is not clear either that the "walls" in this list are connected by sources other than the article's editors, or that there is sufficient sourcing for this term to support an article WP:NOTDICTIONARY. It appears to violate WP:COATRACK and should probably be deleted. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:05, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Not only is not at all apparent that, as article asserts, the "original" use of this phrase was to describe the Berlin Wall, it is not apparent to me that this is the primary use. It is an old term in use in Japan/Japanese, to describe that nations strong honour/shame culture. Ruth Benedict and other anthropologists used it in this way long before Wall was built. Yet another reason why this should be merged into Berlin Wall. WP:NOTDICTIONARY. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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The title of this article really should be "Wall of Shame" (in quotation marks) as it is about a term rather than an object or group of objects. I tried to change it but I got a message back that I can't rename the article either because I am not logged in, I am blocked or my account is too new. Neither of the first two are true and I can find no explanation of how old an account needs to be in order for me to be able to rename an article. I was directed to WP:RN where I could "request" the moving/renaming, but the instructions there made my head start to spin, so I gave up. Someone who knows the secret handshake should consider making this change (and see my similar comment on Apartheid Wall.) 6SJ7 23:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The wall separating the Panama Canal Zone from the rest of Panama was referred to as a "fence of shame." See Martyrs' Day. -- TheMightyQuill 09:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe that anyone really knows the precise reasons for Hadrian's Wall as the historical record surrounding the wall is quite sparse. The only reasoning for building the wall lays behind historical speculation based on extremely limited evidence. I think that it's inappropriate to state that it was built to keep out invaders. There are a great number of theories on why Hadrian ordered the building of the wall. -- Strothra 04:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved here the following sign since it is inadecuate to highlite in such way the personal vision of what this article should talk about. In any case, the article as it is today referrs to what the users mention in the ugly sign. Boninho 17:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC) {{cleanup-cliche|brick-and-mortar walls dividing geographical entities: "wall of shame" can also be used for a non-dividing wall, virtual or real, where the ''surface'' is used to collect or advertise shameful content, examples: [http://www.mugglenet.com/wallofshame.shtml] - [http://www.neopets.com/wallofshame.phtml]; also layout-wise the article should be improved, suggesting subdivisions}}
There are two general meanings to "wall of shame" covered in the article, and I moved an explanation to the intro, for clarity.
Much of the article focused on physical walls. Some of the historical background wasn't really relevant to the topic of the article, so I moved it elsewhere. Some of the content seemed to be trying to prove the point that modern barriers are only used as a means of civilian control, and this seemed a little POV and I presume it was original research because there were no references.
I removed this claim:
because I could think of at least one possible counterexample. (The Israeli West Bank barrier could be construed as an example of a defensive wall, since it does have a military purpose (to prevent suicide bombings and other attacks inside Israel). This does not to say there might not be other reasons for its constructions, or that it doesn't have effects on civilians.) But the claim is rather strong, and is the sort of thing that definitely needs a reference to a reliable source if it's to be included.
Shouldn't the title of this article be "Wall of shame"? Wikipedia uses downcase style, which only capitalizes the first word, unless otherwise required by English capitalization rules. "Wall of shame" is not a proper noun; it refers to the generic phenomemon, not any particular wall. -- Beland 02:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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It is not clear either that the "walls" in this list are connected by sources other than the article's editors, or that there is sufficient sourcing for this term to support an article WP:NOTDICTIONARY. It appears to violate WP:COATRACK and should probably be deleted. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:05, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Not only is not at all apparent that, as article asserts, the "original" use of this phrase was to describe the Berlin Wall, it is not apparent to me that this is the primary use. It is an old term in use in Japan/Japanese, to describe that nations strong honour/shame culture. Ruth Benedict and other anthropologists used it in this way long before Wall was built. Yet another reason why this should be merged into Berlin Wall. WP:NOTDICTIONARY. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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