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A stub? How much more can you say? It's a pop song, for heaven's sake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.77.192 ( talk) 01:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Notable Cover Versions
Surely The Four Tops should be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.206.254 ( talk) 22:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A cover is really a recording released immediately after a first recording intended to compete with on the charts (or "cover") that first recording while bypassing having to pay an initial one-time payment for the song. For this to work, the cover has to be released very shortly after the first recording and well before that recording has completed its sales trajectory (after the first recording has begun to descend the charts is too late). A cover certainly and absolutely is not any recording or performance of any piece not written by the performer. (In fact, in the classic and clearest case the song will not have been written by the performers on the first recording, on the recording being covered.)
An initial one-time payment is usually negotiated between a professional pop songwriter and those responsible for the first recording--the singer or his representative or the record company--because a professional pop songwriter couldn't possibly subsist on royalty rates set by federal law. But once a song has been commercially recorded or published, it is legal for anyone to record it as long as he pays this nominal royalty at this nominal rate.
After a pop song has had its initial run on the charts, it's impossible for it to be covered (ever). It's also impossible for anything in the public domain to be covered and impossible for anything already published to be covered. TheScotch ( talk) 08:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible to add Jimmy Lafave,s beautiful and haunting rendition to notable cover versions?
Kath5423 ( talk) 01:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
This blog has a purported photo of Renee: http://minitrue.co.uk/wordpress/smip-8-walk-away-renee-version-by-billy-bragg/398/ Is there anyway it could be used under fair use for this article? LiPollis ( talk) 04:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I did a major revision of the article which consisted mostly of re-ordering paragraphs for sense and adding in some citations. I did delete the mention of what appeared to be non-notable cover versions in the opening paragraph. That is because they don't belong there. If indeed, those new versions are notable, they should be added to the notable cover version section. The opening paragraph's should be reserved for information about the actual song, it's creation and it's performance on the charts. If future editors would like to include other cover versions in the article, they can do so under the section entitled: Notable Cover Versions.
Please people - stop re-inserting links to Myspace and reverting the article back to older, disorganized versions just to include non-notable cover versions. if the cover version is notable enough to be in the article, it belong under the section for notable cover versions and not in the first paragraph. i went to great trouble to re-organize the article so that it makes sense and isn't jumping from one subject to another. LiPollis ( talk) 19:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The former genre label of baroque pop, which I have deleted, is actually not endorsed by the source article in footnote 3. The article specifically notes that the song is "more pop than baroque" implying that it refutes the baroque label. QueryOne ( talk) 01:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)QueryOne
Re: " but does have baroque elements to it (specifically the presence of harpsichord, obbligato strings and 'the falling chromatic bass melody in the first eight bars')."
What is specifically Baroque (note capitalization) about strings or a descending (note that the proper musical term is not falling) bass line (line, not "melody")? The term obbligato can refer to a keyboard part which is fully written out instead of merely suggested with figured bass--obviously not applicable here--or a secondary melody. Since the strings part here is essentially a pad, very common in sixties pop, it isn't properly "obbligato", and neither is it Baroque. TheScotch ( talk) 08:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for capitalizing Baroque and replacing "falling". I can't agree that this arrangement (and it's clearly the arrangement we're discussing, not the song) is "as close to Baroque as popular music ever gets". It seems obvious to me that the electric piano solo in the Beatles's "In My Life", for example, is much more suggestive of the Baroque period (while still very superficial or pseudo-Baroque, as you put it). Really, I'd prefer we just labeled it, as far as the box goes, "pop rock". I don't mind discussing other stylistic suggestions within the article if we do it in a musically literate manner, but since many rock critics are, unfortunately not at all musically literate, we should be wary of embracing their remarks uncritically--so to speak. TheScotch ( talk) 06:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Folks, the title of the song, as noted in the article itself is "Walk Away Renee". Neither the original title nor any subsequent reference to the title (e.g. Rolling Stone magazine) use the accented e ("é"). And neither Renee Flamm nor Renee Stewart use the accented e in spelling their name.
The result of the move request was: default to no move: existing title retained in the absence of a new consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 16:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Walk Away Renée → Walk Away Renee – In support of the recent edit by Madman ( talk) [2]: change the accented e to unaccented. As the article notes, the title does NOT use the accented e (é) – Wbm1058 ( talk) 15:59, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I have no clue as to your editing formatting, but your wikipedia entry here differs greatly from the opinion expressed on this video by the one of the authors of the song, Mr Sansone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFAmNaY7yc
with respect to the origin of the song and how it was written. Would someone please put this edit of mine into proper wikipedia format? I have no time to learn your editing rules, which should be revised, btw, if I cannot figure them out.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.193.12 ( talk) 22:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
The last person to include them in the article calls them "well-referenced," but Sansone himself is the only source given. I could give an interview claiming that I wrote "Walk Away Renee," but that still wouldn't make it deserving of inclusion in this article. Sansone's claims are emphatically denied by at least one of the surviving members of the group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.87.124 ( talk) 14:20, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Any truth to the rumour - "BASED on Bach's Pretty Ballerina"? AMCKen ( talk) 19:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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I’m trying to find out who played piano on this version 96.245.82.40 ( talk) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The successful French/Bulgarian chanteuse Sylvie Vartan had a french version of this song “Quand un amour renaït” released on a single in 1966 around the time of her album “2’35 de bonheur”. The other side of this single being “Garde-moi dans ta poche” Label: RCA Victor https://www.discogs.com/release/8236276-Sylvie-Vartan-Quand-Un-Amour-Renait-Garde-Moi-Dans-Ta-Poche 2600:1700:9240:EB90:CC4:A551:8E59:7BB7 ( talk) 05:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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A stub? How much more can you say? It's a pop song, for heaven's sake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.77.192 ( talk) 01:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Notable Cover Versions
Surely The Four Tops should be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.206.254 ( talk) 22:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A cover is really a recording released immediately after a first recording intended to compete with on the charts (or "cover") that first recording while bypassing having to pay an initial one-time payment for the song. For this to work, the cover has to be released very shortly after the first recording and well before that recording has completed its sales trajectory (after the first recording has begun to descend the charts is too late). A cover certainly and absolutely is not any recording or performance of any piece not written by the performer. (In fact, in the classic and clearest case the song will not have been written by the performers on the first recording, on the recording being covered.)
An initial one-time payment is usually negotiated between a professional pop songwriter and those responsible for the first recording--the singer or his representative or the record company--because a professional pop songwriter couldn't possibly subsist on royalty rates set by federal law. But once a song has been commercially recorded or published, it is legal for anyone to record it as long as he pays this nominal royalty at this nominal rate.
After a pop song has had its initial run on the charts, it's impossible for it to be covered (ever). It's also impossible for anything in the public domain to be covered and impossible for anything already published to be covered. TheScotch ( talk) 08:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible to add Jimmy Lafave,s beautiful and haunting rendition to notable cover versions?
Kath5423 ( talk) 01:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
This blog has a purported photo of Renee: http://minitrue.co.uk/wordpress/smip-8-walk-away-renee-version-by-billy-bragg/398/ Is there anyway it could be used under fair use for this article? LiPollis ( talk) 04:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I did a major revision of the article which consisted mostly of re-ordering paragraphs for sense and adding in some citations. I did delete the mention of what appeared to be non-notable cover versions in the opening paragraph. That is because they don't belong there. If indeed, those new versions are notable, they should be added to the notable cover version section. The opening paragraph's should be reserved for information about the actual song, it's creation and it's performance on the charts. If future editors would like to include other cover versions in the article, they can do so under the section entitled: Notable Cover Versions.
Please people - stop re-inserting links to Myspace and reverting the article back to older, disorganized versions just to include non-notable cover versions. if the cover version is notable enough to be in the article, it belong under the section for notable cover versions and not in the first paragraph. i went to great trouble to re-organize the article so that it makes sense and isn't jumping from one subject to another. LiPollis ( talk) 19:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The former genre label of baroque pop, which I have deleted, is actually not endorsed by the source article in footnote 3. The article specifically notes that the song is "more pop than baroque" implying that it refutes the baroque label. QueryOne ( talk) 01:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)QueryOne
Re: " but does have baroque elements to it (specifically the presence of harpsichord, obbligato strings and 'the falling chromatic bass melody in the first eight bars')."
What is specifically Baroque (note capitalization) about strings or a descending (note that the proper musical term is not falling) bass line (line, not "melody")? The term obbligato can refer to a keyboard part which is fully written out instead of merely suggested with figured bass--obviously not applicable here--or a secondary melody. Since the strings part here is essentially a pad, very common in sixties pop, it isn't properly "obbligato", and neither is it Baroque. TheScotch ( talk) 08:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for capitalizing Baroque and replacing "falling". I can't agree that this arrangement (and it's clearly the arrangement we're discussing, not the song) is "as close to Baroque as popular music ever gets". It seems obvious to me that the electric piano solo in the Beatles's "In My Life", for example, is much more suggestive of the Baroque period (while still very superficial or pseudo-Baroque, as you put it). Really, I'd prefer we just labeled it, as far as the box goes, "pop rock". I don't mind discussing other stylistic suggestions within the article if we do it in a musically literate manner, but since many rock critics are, unfortunately not at all musically literate, we should be wary of embracing their remarks uncritically--so to speak. TheScotch ( talk) 06:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Folks, the title of the song, as noted in the article itself is "Walk Away Renee". Neither the original title nor any subsequent reference to the title (e.g. Rolling Stone magazine) use the accented e ("é"). And neither Renee Flamm nor Renee Stewart use the accented e in spelling their name.
The result of the move request was: default to no move: existing title retained in the absence of a new consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 16:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Walk Away Renée → Walk Away Renee – In support of the recent edit by Madman ( talk) [2]: change the accented e to unaccented. As the article notes, the title does NOT use the accented e (é) – Wbm1058 ( talk) 15:59, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I have no clue as to your editing formatting, but your wikipedia entry here differs greatly from the opinion expressed on this video by the one of the authors of the song, Mr Sansone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFAmNaY7yc
with respect to the origin of the song and how it was written. Would someone please put this edit of mine into proper wikipedia format? I have no time to learn your editing rules, which should be revised, btw, if I cannot figure them out.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.193.12 ( talk) 22:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
The last person to include them in the article calls them "well-referenced," but Sansone himself is the only source given. I could give an interview claiming that I wrote "Walk Away Renee," but that still wouldn't make it deserving of inclusion in this article. Sansone's claims are emphatically denied by at least one of the surviving members of the group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.87.124 ( talk) 14:20, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Any truth to the rumour - "BASED on Bach's Pretty Ballerina"? AMCKen ( talk) 19:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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I’m trying to find out who played piano on this version 96.245.82.40 ( talk) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The successful French/Bulgarian chanteuse Sylvie Vartan had a french version of this song “Quand un amour renaït” released on a single in 1966 around the time of her album “2’35 de bonheur”. The other side of this single being “Garde-moi dans ta poche” Label: RCA Victor https://www.discogs.com/release/8236276-Sylvie-Vartan-Quand-Un-Amour-Renait-Garde-Moi-Dans-Ta-Poche 2600:1700:9240:EB90:CC4:A551:8E59:7BB7 ( talk) 05:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)