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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 12:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The article originally said that a waistcoat is "sometimes" called a vest or vestee in Canada and the United States. As a Canadian who has studied North American fashion for some time it is my experience that since the 1960s the vast majority of North Americans use the term "vest" instead of "waistcoat". A quick Google search of "suit waistcoat" vs "suit vest" bring up mostly UK sites for the former and US sites for the latter (including The New York Times and Brooks Brothers, sources highly familiar with American English and American menswear). As for "vestee" I have never encountered this term before either in conversation or in print. A Google search suggests I'm not alone as the results are primarily definitions of the word and it appears the few sites that actually use the word in a larger context use it to describe a sort of dickey, not a suit waistcoat. I have therefore changed the sentence to state that "a waistcoat is usually called a vest in Canada and the United States". Peter Marshall ( talk) 14:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable than me might like to comment on the history and current usage of the pronunciation "weskit". -- Oxonian2006 08:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
In George Sala's story in Charles Dickens's The Haunted House, the narrator refers to the waistcoat of his potential father in law as a synecdoche of the man's great wealth. Perhaps the origin of that usage should be explained on this page. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 21:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Whats another Name for a Half-Vest (A Waistcoat that cuts off at the ribcage, leaving the belly exposed)? Arkkeeper ( talk) 17:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I like the latest move of etiquette section, I think it is better there-- I had considered it myself. However I do think the distinction between "gentlemen" and others should be retained-- I don't think it is "customary", or even particularly widely known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
BTw the tehnically it is weskit. I tjhink it is in Shapespeare somewhere in that form. Waistcoat is kinda a back formation, i.e. people assumed it was a coat round your waist, but it is weskit originally.
SimonTrew ( talk) 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC
kandie it is weskit and I have OED. Not sure what to do with this now.
We will get there between us. Kandi I don't think you should have removed that where you don't know.
SimonTrew ( talk) 13:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
See:
“ | ({sm}we{shti}s(t)k{schwa}{shtu}t; colloq. or vulgar {sm}w{ope}sk{schwa}t) For forms see WAIST and COAT n.; also 6 wascoat, 7 waiscot, wasecoat, -cote, wascoate, -cot, -cote, -cott. In representations of vulgar pronunciation written weskit, veskit, etc. | ” |
We have sixth century wascoat, the original. Weskit is a later corruption. Are you using an abridged/shorter OED? Check the full one if you don't believe me.— Kan8eDie ( talk) 21:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
To make the OED quote legible:
“ | (ˈweɪs(t)kəʊt; colloq. or vulgar ˈwɛskət) For forms see WAIST and COAT n.; also 6 wascoat, 7 waiscot, wasecoat, -cote, wascoate, -cot, -cote, -cott. In representations of vulgar pronunciation written weskit, veskit, etc. | ” |
Hope that helps. -- Evertype· ✆ 09:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I think we needn't embarrass the poor fellow in the bottom photo by showing his badly fit waistcoat for all to see! Perhaps we could replace this with a picture of a waistcoat fitting properly? -- 71.202.175.210 ( talk) 07:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
"Undoing the bottom button... This convention only applies to single-breasted day waistcoats and not double breasted, evening, straight-hem or livery waistcoats that are all fully buttoned." Does anybody have any idea what fully buttoned actually means? PizzaMan ( talk) 14:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add a waistcoat related limerick (Edward Lear) and some lines from "The Hunting of the Snark" (Lewis Carroll) to the article?
There was an old man of Port Grigor,
Whose actions were noted for vigour;
He stood on his head
till his waistcoat turned red,
That eclectic old man of Port Grigor.
(Edward Lear, 1872)
He was black in the face,
and they scarcely could trace
The least likeness to what he had been:
While so great was his fright
that his waistcoat turned white -
A wonderful thing to be seen!
(Lewis Carroll, from "The Hunting of the Snark", 1876)
-- DL5MDA ( talk) 16:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that a merger of Vest to Waistcoat was proposed by another editor a while back but there seems to be no discussion for it, so here is one.
Is it a vest too? -- Kürschner ( talk) 07:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
In the History section, we have the fragment "However, while the vest died out in elite city spaces, it is said to hav"
I cannot fix this at present - could another? 85.255.233.15 ( talk) 21:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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The contents of the Vest page were merged into Waistcoat on 28 March 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): SarahBarket.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 12:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The article originally said that a waistcoat is "sometimes" called a vest or vestee in Canada and the United States. As a Canadian who has studied North American fashion for some time it is my experience that since the 1960s the vast majority of North Americans use the term "vest" instead of "waistcoat". A quick Google search of "suit waistcoat" vs "suit vest" bring up mostly UK sites for the former and US sites for the latter (including The New York Times and Brooks Brothers, sources highly familiar with American English and American menswear). As for "vestee" I have never encountered this term before either in conversation or in print. A Google search suggests I'm not alone as the results are primarily definitions of the word and it appears the few sites that actually use the word in a larger context use it to describe a sort of dickey, not a suit waistcoat. I have therefore changed the sentence to state that "a waistcoat is usually called a vest in Canada and the United States". Peter Marshall ( talk) 14:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable than me might like to comment on the history and current usage of the pronunciation "weskit". -- Oxonian2006 08:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
In George Sala's story in Charles Dickens's The Haunted House, the narrator refers to the waistcoat of his potential father in law as a synecdoche of the man's great wealth. Perhaps the origin of that usage should be explained on this page. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 21:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Whats another Name for a Half-Vest (A Waistcoat that cuts off at the ribcage, leaving the belly exposed)? Arkkeeper ( talk) 17:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I like the latest move of etiquette section, I think it is better there-- I had considered it myself. However I do think the distinction between "gentlemen" and others should be retained-- I don't think it is "customary", or even particularly widely known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
BTw the tehnically it is weskit. I tjhink it is in Shapespeare somewhere in that form. Waistcoat is kinda a back formation, i.e. people assumed it was a coat round your waist, but it is weskit originally.
SimonTrew ( talk) 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC
kandie it is weskit and I have OED. Not sure what to do with this now.
We will get there between us. Kandi I don't think you should have removed that where you don't know.
SimonTrew ( talk) 13:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
See:
“ | ({sm}we{shti}s(t)k{schwa}{shtu}t; colloq. or vulgar {sm}w{ope}sk{schwa}t) For forms see WAIST and COAT n.; also 6 wascoat, 7 waiscot, wasecoat, -cote, wascoate, -cot, -cote, -cott. In representations of vulgar pronunciation written weskit, veskit, etc. | ” |
We have sixth century wascoat, the original. Weskit is a later corruption. Are you using an abridged/shorter OED? Check the full one if you don't believe me.— Kan8eDie ( talk) 21:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
To make the OED quote legible:
“ | (ˈweɪs(t)kəʊt; colloq. or vulgar ˈwɛskət) For forms see WAIST and COAT n.; also 6 wascoat, 7 waiscot, wasecoat, -cote, wascoate, -cot, -cote, -cott. In representations of vulgar pronunciation written weskit, veskit, etc. | ” |
Hope that helps. -- Evertype· ✆ 09:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I think we needn't embarrass the poor fellow in the bottom photo by showing his badly fit waistcoat for all to see! Perhaps we could replace this with a picture of a waistcoat fitting properly? -- 71.202.175.210 ( talk) 07:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
"Undoing the bottom button... This convention only applies to single-breasted day waistcoats and not double breasted, evening, straight-hem or livery waistcoats that are all fully buttoned." Does anybody have any idea what fully buttoned actually means? PizzaMan ( talk) 14:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add a waistcoat related limerick (Edward Lear) and some lines from "The Hunting of the Snark" (Lewis Carroll) to the article?
There was an old man of Port Grigor,
Whose actions were noted for vigour;
He stood on his head
till his waistcoat turned red,
That eclectic old man of Port Grigor.
(Edward Lear, 1872)
He was black in the face,
and they scarcely could trace
The least likeness to what he had been:
While so great was his fright
that his waistcoat turned white -
A wonderful thing to be seen!
(Lewis Carroll, from "The Hunting of the Snark", 1876)
-- DL5MDA ( talk) 16:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that a merger of Vest to Waistcoat was proposed by another editor a while back but there seems to be no discussion for it, so here is one.
Is it a vest too? -- Kürschner ( talk) 07:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
In the History section, we have the fragment "However, while the vest died out in elite city spaces, it is said to hav"
I cannot fix this at present - could another? 85.255.233.15 ( talk) 21:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)