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the al-jazeera source claims that it doesnt even know who killed the general claiming that "opposition and government trades blame".. this is terrible source knowing that al-jazeera is qatari funded and heavily supportitve of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham and Ahrar al-Sham, previously featured even those rebel groups leaders on its channel talking to them. pretty much every other source claims it was assassination and not some random death, could anyone please add a different source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.129.232.242 ( talk) 17:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
This is for anyone concerned, since user Applodion who reverted my tag requesting NPOV, requested my explanation why it should be here, since there isn't enough characters for explanation in revert comment section I shall explain this on the talk page.
I have not taken this decision lightly to put a NPOV tag over this article but the presentation of information is absurdly one-sided and not always factually backed-up, rather than that it relies on fallacies and empty rhetoric with only a single narrative presented instead of providing reader a chance to make his own opinion about the events. I would like to analyze a few particularly biased phrases which should be changed before we can talk about removal of the tag.
Example 1: "December 2016, following the strongly disputed[27] accusations of pollution of water spring in Ain al-Fijah with diesel fuel by the rebels, government forces conducted airstrikes and shelling on Wadi Barada, which had previously been under a truce." - This sentence immediately uses the words "strongly disputed accusations" and right near those words attaches pro-opposition link to render the viewpoint of the other side absolutely irrelevant, claiming it to be outright false. At the end of this statement phrase "which has previously been under a truce" comes up, which makes the reader think that security forces are some warmongers which never keep their word and unilaterally violates truces, despite many examples in other articles about Syrian War to the contrary.
Example 2:"On March 14, 2017, the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria said that the Syria's air force deliberately bombed water sources in December, a war crime that cut off water for 5.5 million people in and around the capital Damascus. The commission said it had found no evidence of deliberate contamination of the water supply or demolition by armed groups, as the Syrian government maintained at the time." - A single heavily pro-opposition source, which includes only 2 sentences and no analysis whatsoever and no alternative sources claiming this extremely severe allegation. This is an exceptional claim and per WP:EXCEPTIONAL requires exceptional sources (multiple), from different points of view and opinion, look back at example 1, even though it contains source from the same site as example 2, it is immediately debunked as absolutely false, without any room for any different opinion. If no multiple exceptional sources are found, couple sentences "article" is not heavy enough justification to throw around such accusations and these statements should be removed as a whole.
Example 3:"On 3 January, rebels stated that they would let teams enter and fix the spring as long as the government would honor the ceasefire and lift the siege.[32][33] Government forces launched another attack on the following day," - Again identical situation to second half of Example 1. The structure of the statement and words used are presented in such a manner that armed opposition is glorified as heroic saviors of human life and civilian access to water, while security forces are yet again demonized for allegedly ignoring any option for a ceasefire and just willing to kill as many people as possible.
Example 4:"On 28 January, however, the rebels finally retreated from Ain Al-Fijah as "goodwill gesture" for the implemention of the peace agreement of 26 January." - Similar situation to second half of Example 1 and as Example 3, armed opposition presented as very willing to reach an agreement, as generally exceptionally honest and kind people, however before this deal there were many failed reconciliation attempts and only after sustained periods of intense fighting and knowing that they are encircled from all sides and reaching other armed opposition held areas by fighting is not a viable option, did they agree to be transported to Idlib.
Example 5: The picture representing the offensive, instead of just writing an airstrike or something more neutral it says "The Syrian Air Force drops a barrel bomb on a village", clearly shows that this description was added there by hardline pro-opposition editor, intelligently also adding a redirect to Barrel Bomb (most popular object to include by pro-opposition editors and websites) which is hardly even representative of the whole offensive, rather than just implying that armed opposition are angels and security forces are demons.
These 5 examples I have presented clearly shows how shockingly one-sided this article is and should be edited as soon as possible to fit into NPOV standards, to be honest in my opinion, even Amaq News agency provides more neutral view on events in Syria than it was provided in this article. Neutrality rules in Wikipedia stand not without a reason, because if articles would be written in such manner as this one other examples would include something like this, well I'll try to express it in an example (note this is only example of extremely biased presentation of events showing only one side of them, this is example what to AVOID in articles, only example of how NOT to write)Â : Khan Shaykhun chemical attack - "On April 4 2017, brutal dictator Assad deliberately gassed scores of innocent babies with sarin, because this absolute monster enjoys seeing people suffer in unimaginable pain for no reason whatsoever when he is winning on all fronts against the beautiful moderate children, therefore the knight in shining air force one jet, Donald J. Trump has gloriously supported the moderate babies in their struggle for democracy by launching exceptionally effective tomahawk missiles towards airbase from where, absolutely undeniably and 100% definitively the heinous chemical attack ordered by bloodthirsty beast, Assad, was carried out, therefore destroying a quarter of his entire death jets armada"
I hope now everyone understand why neutrality in Wikipedia must be respected and upheld, thank you for your patience, whoever bothered to read my arguments, respectfully GroundlessAir ( talk) 21:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Wadi Barada offensive was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 10 January 2017 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Wadi Barada offensive (2016–2017). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
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the al-jazeera source claims that it doesnt even know who killed the general claiming that "opposition and government trades blame".. this is terrible source knowing that al-jazeera is qatari funded and heavily supportitve of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham and Ahrar al-Sham, previously featured even those rebel groups leaders on its channel talking to them. pretty much every other source claims it was assassination and not some random death, could anyone please add a different source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.129.232.242 ( talk) 17:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
This is for anyone concerned, since user Applodion who reverted my tag requesting NPOV, requested my explanation why it should be here, since there isn't enough characters for explanation in revert comment section I shall explain this on the talk page.
I have not taken this decision lightly to put a NPOV tag over this article but the presentation of information is absurdly one-sided and not always factually backed-up, rather than that it relies on fallacies and empty rhetoric with only a single narrative presented instead of providing reader a chance to make his own opinion about the events. I would like to analyze a few particularly biased phrases which should be changed before we can talk about removal of the tag.
Example 1: "December 2016, following the strongly disputed[27] accusations of pollution of water spring in Ain al-Fijah with diesel fuel by the rebels, government forces conducted airstrikes and shelling on Wadi Barada, which had previously been under a truce." - This sentence immediately uses the words "strongly disputed accusations" and right near those words attaches pro-opposition link to render the viewpoint of the other side absolutely irrelevant, claiming it to be outright false. At the end of this statement phrase "which has previously been under a truce" comes up, which makes the reader think that security forces are some warmongers which never keep their word and unilaterally violates truces, despite many examples in other articles about Syrian War to the contrary.
Example 2:"On March 14, 2017, the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria said that the Syria's air force deliberately bombed water sources in December, a war crime that cut off water for 5.5 million people in and around the capital Damascus. The commission said it had found no evidence of deliberate contamination of the water supply or demolition by armed groups, as the Syrian government maintained at the time." - A single heavily pro-opposition source, which includes only 2 sentences and no analysis whatsoever and no alternative sources claiming this extremely severe allegation. This is an exceptional claim and per WP:EXCEPTIONAL requires exceptional sources (multiple), from different points of view and opinion, look back at example 1, even though it contains source from the same site as example 2, it is immediately debunked as absolutely false, without any room for any different opinion. If no multiple exceptional sources are found, couple sentences "article" is not heavy enough justification to throw around such accusations and these statements should be removed as a whole.
Example 3:"On 3 January, rebels stated that they would let teams enter and fix the spring as long as the government would honor the ceasefire and lift the siege.[32][33] Government forces launched another attack on the following day," - Again identical situation to second half of Example 1. The structure of the statement and words used are presented in such a manner that armed opposition is glorified as heroic saviors of human life and civilian access to water, while security forces are yet again demonized for allegedly ignoring any option for a ceasefire and just willing to kill as many people as possible.
Example 4:"On 28 January, however, the rebels finally retreated from Ain Al-Fijah as "goodwill gesture" for the implemention of the peace agreement of 26 January." - Similar situation to second half of Example 1 and as Example 3, armed opposition presented as very willing to reach an agreement, as generally exceptionally honest and kind people, however before this deal there were many failed reconciliation attempts and only after sustained periods of intense fighting and knowing that they are encircled from all sides and reaching other armed opposition held areas by fighting is not a viable option, did they agree to be transported to Idlib.
Example 5: The picture representing the offensive, instead of just writing an airstrike or something more neutral it says "The Syrian Air Force drops a barrel bomb on a village", clearly shows that this description was added there by hardline pro-opposition editor, intelligently also adding a redirect to Barrel Bomb (most popular object to include by pro-opposition editors and websites) which is hardly even representative of the whole offensive, rather than just implying that armed opposition are angels and security forces are demons.
These 5 examples I have presented clearly shows how shockingly one-sided this article is and should be edited as soon as possible to fit into NPOV standards, to be honest in my opinion, even Amaq News agency provides more neutral view on events in Syria than it was provided in this article. Neutrality rules in Wikipedia stand not without a reason, because if articles would be written in such manner as this one other examples would include something like this, well I'll try to express it in an example (note this is only example of extremely biased presentation of events showing only one side of them, this is example what to AVOID in articles, only example of how NOT to write)Â : Khan Shaykhun chemical attack - "On April 4 2017, brutal dictator Assad deliberately gassed scores of innocent babies with sarin, because this absolute monster enjoys seeing people suffer in unimaginable pain for no reason whatsoever when he is winning on all fronts against the beautiful moderate children, therefore the knight in shining air force one jet, Donald J. Trump has gloriously supported the moderate babies in their struggle for democracy by launching exceptionally effective tomahawk missiles towards airbase from where, absolutely undeniably and 100% definitively the heinous chemical attack ordered by bloodthirsty beast, Assad, was carried out, therefore destroying a quarter of his entire death jets armada"
I hope now everyone understand why neutrality in Wikipedia must be respected and upheld, thank you for your patience, whoever bothered to read my arguments, respectfully GroundlessAir ( talk) 21:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)