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The title is once again being referred to as the WWE Championship on WWE's website. Move the page? HughMorris15 ( talk) 16:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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most times won held by (16 time WWE Champion Ric Flair) SeanyCPWCena1130 ( talk) 04:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Not Done Flair only held the WWE title 2 times. The others were 8 NWA and 6 WCW. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I just wanna say Randy Orton was the youngest Champion at 24. Not Brock Lesnar. Sharju ( talk) 07:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
No African American has won the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. The Rock is the first mixed or biracial champion but not African American. Also no black person has won Money in the Bank briefcase. DezTebow ( talk) 11:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
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Change youngest champion: Randy Orton is the youngest WWE Champion, he won at age 24, unlike Brock Lesnar who won it at an older age. 2.14.249.207 ( talk) 21:02, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
The youngest champion to win this title was Randy Orton at 24 years 136 days old Ntinga ( talk) 17:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Although Brock Lesnar was the youngest to win the WWE champion at 27 years old, when the World Heavyweight Championship was decommissioned the titles were unified therefore their histories would have to be combined Ntinga ( talk) 17:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed that that the belt for the Houston Astros winning the World Series isn't listed I would like to add it. Here is a picture from twitter the day after they won the world series https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/926109679213842432 Death30000 ( talk) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
The caption reads:"the title belt shown here is not the WWE Championship, or at that time, WWWF, although Pedro Morales held a design very similar to this during his first reign". If this is not the WWWF Championship, then what is it? According to Bruno's article, this is the only world heavyweight championship he won, and the fact that this belt is identical the the Pedro one makes this more conspicuous. Was he posing with a replica of the 1971 version of the belt for a photoshoot? LM2000 ( talk) 15:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The creation of the World Wide Wrestling Federation (today's WWE) was officially announced by its new President, Willie Gilzenberg, on April 11, 1963 during the intermission of the regular Thursday night broadcast of "Capitol Wrestling From Washington, DC" hosted by iconic commentator Ray Morgan. I personally witnessed Gilzenberg relate to the fans the circumstances behind the creation of the new company and then present the title belt to Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. Wrestling historian Fred Hornby's "Buddy Rogers Record Book" backs me up on this.
Regarding the first WWWF (WWE) championship belt, Buddy Rogers was the NWA United States Champion prior to defeating Pat O'Connor for the NWA World Championship on June 30, 1961 at Comiskey Park in Chicago. Since he never lost his NWA U.S. Championship he was allowed to keep the belt. They put the WWWF together so quickly that they didn't have time to make a proper belt until after the title switch to Sammartino. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batko10 ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Frankly, the caption was such an obscure point of trivia it was distracting from the point of including the image, namely including an image of Bruno as the longest-reigning champion. That it includes a non-standard belt is kinda irrelevant, and the sort of thing that, for railroad details, I call "rivet counting". Also, the mention that the second permanent belt was introdiced by Pedro Morales is definitely irrelevant to the image.
Also, looking at full resolution, the belt in the image says "World Heavyweight Champion" with a Maltese cross, which may give some hint to its provenance, but also makes the description of it being similar to the second permanent WWWF belt inaccurate. They're only vaguely similar in shape, and not really that close. "Very similar" is not a description I would use. (PS, the US belt was a stand in used quickly; it was returned to Rodgers after he dropped the title to Bruno in his sole defense, and wound up in another wrestler's attic where it was found a couple of years ago by his widow. Triple H now has it in his office. Because he's a belt mark.) oknazevad ( talk) 02:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 1963 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE CREATION OF THE WWWF
56 years ago today Willie Gilzenberg appeared on the regular Thursday night broadcast of "Capitol Wrestling From Washington, DC" and announced to host Ray Morgan and the wrestling world that the WORLD WIDE WRESTLING FEDERATION was created and officially a legal entity.
Gilzenberg, the first President of the WWWF, described how the organization was formed and that their first World Heavyweight Champion was Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. President Gilzenberg explained that Rogers was the victor of a (kayfabe) tournament in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and defeated Antonino Rocca in the finale to clinch the title.
At that point Nature Boy Buddy Rogers was brought out to receive the WWWF World Championship belt and do an interview segment with Ray Morgan and Willie Gilzenberg.
Even as a 13 year old, I immediately recognized the WWWF World Championship belt as Buddy's NWA United States Championship belt. Since Rogers was the NWA United States Champion when he defeated O'Connor for the NWA World Championship, he never gave up the U.S. Championship belt. At the time I was taken aback, but later realized that they had put the WWWF together relatively quickly and didn't have time to make a belt for their FIRST champ.
It seems that almost no one remembers this segment of Capitol Wrestling TV and some have tried to convince me that I never saw what I saw. Awhile back I contacted Bill Apter who is a few years older than me and he confirmed that he also saw that segment on TV and that I wasn't delusional or crazy. 65.128.152.147 ( talk) 20:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Why does the Undisputed WWE Championship belt image in the infobox feature the 80s/early 90s "block" WWF logo? That logo was never used on that belt (all versions of that belt always used the scratch logo), plus the belt reads "World Wrestling Entertainment" but is using a WWF logo. This looks like a fan edit or something like that and does not represent any version of the belt that has ever existed. I also know that the infobox previously featured a correct version of the belt with the scratch logo. Could somebody revert this back? 75.78.103.12 ( talk) 12:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
John’s reign as WWE champion isn’t 13 it’s 16 times please fix that mistake and who enabled semi protection an what for Jedijohn22 ( talk) 07:50, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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Article says Damian Priest is the current WWE champion where the actual champion is still Bobby Lashley 90.208.77.9 ( talk) 18:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
they seemed to have renamed it?? at Hell In a Cell (2021) it was referred to as the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship". source (right at the end). their site still uses WWE Championship, but it seems for at least 1 day it was renamed? Muur ( talk) 02:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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John Cena WWE record of 16 times World titles brought him level with Ric Flair and also cemented his place in WWE history alongside the great wrestlers of all time. Udalachai ( talk) 09:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Just so there's no confusion, WWE.com has the WWE and Universal Titles still listed as separate entities, with Roman Reigns holding both.
I know they promoted it as a "unification match", but for it to be a true unification, one of the titles had to become absorbed into the other, with the lineage ending, and this isn't that. It's apparent WWE just threw out every promotional buzzword possible ("Winner Take All", "Unification") to build up this "Biggest WrestleMania match of All Time!"
But in practical terms, this was really a "Winner Take All Match", and what we wound up with is basically Reigns doing a "Becky 2 Belts" deal.
Vmlhds (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I will again point you directly to the WWE.com Superstars page, where they clearly have Reigns listed separately as WWE Champion and Universal Champion. The titles are not unified. Reigns is a double champion, and nothing out there indicates that one title or the other is going away. So please stop saying the championships are unified, as that is incorrect and misleading. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Right now, it is unwise to ASS-U-ME anything. Titles are separate, WWE lists Reigns as a double champion, and we'll find out in due course if it's like the tag titles or Becky 2 Belts. Until then, put the unification stuff on ice, please, as it's becoming apparent on this page more editors are against it than for it. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
A third of this page is supported by tweets as cites, mostly from Triple H. Per WP:RSPTWITTER, tweets shouldn't be used in most cases. About half of the sources are primary sources, IE, WWE match records. There's also the multiple self published sources and blogs. There's literally a link to a medium blog for the cite that this is the most prestigious championship in professional wrestling, which is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary sources, and it's a blog for the cite. There are so many issues with this page and its citing that I don't know where to begin.
I'm not gonna come in and do anything on my own, since no one wants edit wars and talk page disputes, but like....y'all want some help actually citing this page in accordance with sourcing guidelines? I'm more than willing to help. FrederalBacon ( talk) 00:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Tweets that are not covered by reliable sources are likely to constitute undue weight. I don't know how this is different: Are the customized designs notable? If they were, they'd be covered in third party sources. I'm sure some of them are, certainly. But this is simply a list of a ton of various organizations they've given customized belts too, almost completely primarily sourced. FrederalBacon ( talk) 09:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
These comments are copied from my post at Talk:New Era (WWE). They are perhaps more relevant to the List of WWE Champions article, but perhaps they have some value here. I also see that there is a discussion of the list of presentations in the "customized designs" section. I agree that this could be trimmed and that the paragraph with 43 citations is overkill and makes the article look far too dependent on Twitter. Right. The comments: "FrederalBacon raises a concern about the use of primary sources for a championship article. The project tries to present both the company narrative as well as reality in discussing the lineage of a championship. (Hear me out.) Wrestling promotions play games with their numbers and dates in order to present a fictional and promotable narrative. I don't doubt that for a second. A championship may be "won" (I'll put that in quotation marks as a concession the first time I use it to dissuade anyone of the notion that I believe that championships are legitimately won in an athletic competition, although I still firmly believe that it is an accomplishment because the title indicates that the wrestler has developed their character and/or narrative and/or fan base to the point that that are being made the public face of the for-profit company) at an arena on a Wednesday, but the television footage may not air until Saturday. The company may state that the championship was won on Saturday. This becomes part of the company's official, recorded history, even though it's not true. In earlier years, a wrestler may go on a working tour of a foreign country to defend their championship. To please the local crowd, they may lose the championship to a local wrestler. Before returning to the United States, they may win the championship back, as the title change was only ever perceived as a promotional opportunity to increase ticket sales. The title changes may not be announced to audiences in the United States. This can create a narrative of a long, unbroken championship reign despite the fact that it isn't true. While these official company (read: sometimes deliberately incorrect) numbers are presented on Wikipedia, editors have taken efforts to indicate the truth alongside them. This isn't blurring fact and fiction or presenting an in-universe account. This is intentionally taking it out of universe to indicate to the reader that the company narrative with which they might be familiar is not factual. In order to present the company's official history, it is often essential to use their recorded timeline for the dates. This is why primary sources are often used. It is not to deceive readers, either intentionally or through insufficient attention to the manual of style. It is to state that there are two sets of numbers and to provide a source for one of them, all while clearly indicating the unbiased reality next to it." GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:37, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
although I still firmly believe that it is an accomplishment because the title indicates that the wrestler has developed their character and/or narrative and/or fan base to the point that that are being made the public face of the for-profit companyAgree 100%, I would even argue that doing so is just as hard as becoming a successful professional in any sport, if not harder, due to the personality and entertainment aspects, along with the phsycial requirements.
This becomes part of the company's official, recorded history, even though it's not trueWell good thing we're about verifiability, not truth. I have no problem with records being used to source this article. I just feel like they are being over used. In an article that has been primarily sourced, you're only getting one viewpoint. Has there been criticism of the WWE Championship? What do other people, other than the WWE, say about it? Stuff like that is missing from this article. FrederalBacon ( talk) 17:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
When I searched for WWE Championship on your site, it showed that the youngest champion is Brock Lesnar who won it at the age of 25 years. And when I searched for Randy Orton on your site, the text stated that he won the WWE Championship at the age of 24 years and became the youngest WWE Champion. So you're contradicting your own information. Actually it's Randy Orton who won the WWE Championship at the age of 24 years and beqcame the youngest WWE Champion. Please rectify that information on your WWE Championship page. 2405:204:3482:376F:EDFF:BDC1:13D2:AB1D ( talk) 06:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
WrestleMania 38 match was a title unification match, but OK WWE kept it active. lets look back. The 1905 original professional wrestling World Heavyweight Championship title was won by NWA World Heavyweight Champion Lou Thesz in 1956 and in 1957 the original title Championship was retired and NWA Championship carried its lineage and Lou Thesz was still the Champion. While Buddy Rogers was the champion he defeated by him in a one falls match in 1963 but the rule was that Championships can only change hands in 2 out of 3 falls match so WWWF split and made what is now knonw as the WWWE Championship which Rogers was awarded, however the original title's lineage was carried on by NWA still. Now in 1991 while Ric Flair was Champion WCW split form NWA, this time they split while Flair was the valid champion and gave him the brand new WCW World heavyweight Championship, while NWA kept pretending they retained the lineage, no now WCW World Heavyweight Championship was the real deal. This title was unified with the WWE Championship by Chris Jericho at WWE Vengeance 2001 and since then WWE Championship carried the lineage (the 2002 title awarded to HHH was no way linked to it its purely "primary claim" In 2022 at WM 38 Universal Champion Roman Reigns defeated WWE Champion Brock Lesner to unify the titles, realistically speaking and from historic, traditional and neutral perspective WWE Championship should have been deactivated then but no Reigns was listed as holder of both, which is pure primary source. Still ok Reigns did win it so we can count it, but when Cody Rhodes defeated Roman Reigns for the Universal Championship at WM 40 in 2024, not the WWE Championship, Cody never challenged for the WWE Championship, it is now represented by the single belt and is purely the Universal Championship in 2016. Only WWE claims it active which is WP:Primary, and by all historic accounts Roman reigns was the final one to win it and the moment he was defeated by Cody Rhodes for the "Universal Championship" on April 7, 2024, the WWE Championship became inactive and its lineage is carried on by the Universal Championship now so this title is deactivated as of April 7, 2024! Dilbaggg ( talk) 09:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
WWE now recognizes the title as the Undisputed WWE Championship, as seen here: https://www.wwe.com/titlehistory/wwe-championship Thatoneguylol101 ( talk) 05:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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The current name for the championship is the Undisputed WWE Championship, (see WWE.com) so it should say (UNDISPUTED WWE UNIVERSAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2022-2024 and the new name should be Undisputed WWE CHAMPIONSHIP 2024-Present Sixburgh786 ( talk) 13:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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most times won held by (16 time WWE Champion Ric Flair) SeanyCPWCena1130 ( talk) 04:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Not Done Flair only held the WWE title 2 times. The others were 8 NWA and 6 WCW. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:38, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I just wanna say Randy Orton was the youngest Champion at 24. Not Brock Lesnar. Sharju ( talk) 07:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
No African American has won the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. The Rock is the first mixed or biracial champion but not African American. Also no black person has won Money in the Bank briefcase. DezTebow ( talk) 11:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
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Change youngest champion: Randy Orton is the youngest WWE Champion, he won at age 24, unlike Brock Lesnar who won it at an older age. 2.14.249.207 ( talk) 21:02, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
The youngest champion to win this title was Randy Orton at 24 years 136 days old Ntinga ( talk) 17:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Although Brock Lesnar was the youngest to win the WWE champion at 27 years old, when the World Heavyweight Championship was decommissioned the titles were unified therefore their histories would have to be combined Ntinga ( talk) 17:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed that that the belt for the Houston Astros winning the World Series isn't listed I would like to add it. Here is a picture from twitter the day after they won the world series https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/926109679213842432 Death30000 ( talk) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
The caption reads:"the title belt shown here is not the WWE Championship, or at that time, WWWF, although Pedro Morales held a design very similar to this during his first reign". If this is not the WWWF Championship, then what is it? According to Bruno's article, this is the only world heavyweight championship he won, and the fact that this belt is identical the the Pedro one makes this more conspicuous. Was he posing with a replica of the 1971 version of the belt for a photoshoot? LM2000 ( talk) 15:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The creation of the World Wide Wrestling Federation (today's WWE) was officially announced by its new President, Willie Gilzenberg, on April 11, 1963 during the intermission of the regular Thursday night broadcast of "Capitol Wrestling From Washington, DC" hosted by iconic commentator Ray Morgan. I personally witnessed Gilzenberg relate to the fans the circumstances behind the creation of the new company and then present the title belt to Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. Wrestling historian Fred Hornby's "Buddy Rogers Record Book" backs me up on this.
Regarding the first WWWF (WWE) championship belt, Buddy Rogers was the NWA United States Champion prior to defeating Pat O'Connor for the NWA World Championship on June 30, 1961 at Comiskey Park in Chicago. Since he never lost his NWA U.S. Championship he was allowed to keep the belt. They put the WWWF together so quickly that they didn't have time to make a proper belt until after the title switch to Sammartino. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batko10 ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Frankly, the caption was such an obscure point of trivia it was distracting from the point of including the image, namely including an image of Bruno as the longest-reigning champion. That it includes a non-standard belt is kinda irrelevant, and the sort of thing that, for railroad details, I call "rivet counting". Also, the mention that the second permanent belt was introdiced by Pedro Morales is definitely irrelevant to the image.
Also, looking at full resolution, the belt in the image says "World Heavyweight Champion" with a Maltese cross, which may give some hint to its provenance, but also makes the description of it being similar to the second permanent WWWF belt inaccurate. They're only vaguely similar in shape, and not really that close. "Very similar" is not a description I would use. (PS, the US belt was a stand in used quickly; it was returned to Rodgers after he dropped the title to Bruno in his sole defense, and wound up in another wrestler's attic where it was found a couple of years ago by his widow. Triple H now has it in his office. Because he's a belt mark.) oknazevad ( talk) 02:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 1963 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE CREATION OF THE WWWF
56 years ago today Willie Gilzenberg appeared on the regular Thursday night broadcast of "Capitol Wrestling From Washington, DC" and announced to host Ray Morgan and the wrestling world that the WORLD WIDE WRESTLING FEDERATION was created and officially a legal entity.
Gilzenberg, the first President of the WWWF, described how the organization was formed and that their first World Heavyweight Champion was Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. President Gilzenberg explained that Rogers was the victor of a (kayfabe) tournament in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and defeated Antonino Rocca in the finale to clinch the title.
At that point Nature Boy Buddy Rogers was brought out to receive the WWWF World Championship belt and do an interview segment with Ray Morgan and Willie Gilzenberg.
Even as a 13 year old, I immediately recognized the WWWF World Championship belt as Buddy's NWA United States Championship belt. Since Rogers was the NWA United States Champion when he defeated O'Connor for the NWA World Championship, he never gave up the U.S. Championship belt. At the time I was taken aback, but later realized that they had put the WWWF together relatively quickly and didn't have time to make a belt for their FIRST champ.
It seems that almost no one remembers this segment of Capitol Wrestling TV and some have tried to convince me that I never saw what I saw. Awhile back I contacted Bill Apter who is a few years older than me and he confirmed that he also saw that segment on TV and that I wasn't delusional or crazy. 65.128.152.147 ( talk) 20:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Why does the Undisputed WWE Championship belt image in the infobox feature the 80s/early 90s "block" WWF logo? That logo was never used on that belt (all versions of that belt always used the scratch logo), plus the belt reads "World Wrestling Entertainment" but is using a WWF logo. This looks like a fan edit or something like that and does not represent any version of the belt that has ever existed. I also know that the infobox previously featured a correct version of the belt with the scratch logo. Could somebody revert this back? 75.78.103.12 ( talk) 12:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
John’s reign as WWE champion isn’t 13 it’s 16 times please fix that mistake and who enabled semi protection an what for Jedijohn22 ( talk) 07:50, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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Article says Damian Priest is the current WWE champion where the actual champion is still Bobby Lashley 90.208.77.9 ( talk) 18:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
they seemed to have renamed it?? at Hell In a Cell (2021) it was referred to as the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship". source (right at the end). their site still uses WWE Championship, but it seems for at least 1 day it was renamed? Muur ( talk) 02:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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John Cena WWE record of 16 times World titles brought him level with Ric Flair and also cemented his place in WWE history alongside the great wrestlers of all time. Udalachai ( talk) 09:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Just so there's no confusion, WWE.com has the WWE and Universal Titles still listed as separate entities, with Roman Reigns holding both.
I know they promoted it as a "unification match", but for it to be a true unification, one of the titles had to become absorbed into the other, with the lineage ending, and this isn't that. It's apparent WWE just threw out every promotional buzzword possible ("Winner Take All", "Unification") to build up this "Biggest WrestleMania match of All Time!"
But in practical terms, this was really a "Winner Take All Match", and what we wound up with is basically Reigns doing a "Becky 2 Belts" deal.
Vmlhds (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I will again point you directly to the WWE.com Superstars page, where they clearly have Reigns listed separately as WWE Champion and Universal Champion. The titles are not unified. Reigns is a double champion, and nothing out there indicates that one title or the other is going away. So please stop saying the championships are unified, as that is incorrect and misleading. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Right now, it is unwise to ASS-U-ME anything. Titles are separate, WWE lists Reigns as a double champion, and we'll find out in due course if it's like the tag titles or Becky 2 Belts. Until then, put the unification stuff on ice, please, as it's becoming apparent on this page more editors are against it than for it. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
A third of this page is supported by tweets as cites, mostly from Triple H. Per WP:RSPTWITTER, tweets shouldn't be used in most cases. About half of the sources are primary sources, IE, WWE match records. There's also the multiple self published sources and blogs. There's literally a link to a medium blog for the cite that this is the most prestigious championship in professional wrestling, which is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary sources, and it's a blog for the cite. There are so many issues with this page and its citing that I don't know where to begin.
I'm not gonna come in and do anything on my own, since no one wants edit wars and talk page disputes, but like....y'all want some help actually citing this page in accordance with sourcing guidelines? I'm more than willing to help. FrederalBacon ( talk) 00:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Tweets that are not covered by reliable sources are likely to constitute undue weight. I don't know how this is different: Are the customized designs notable? If they were, they'd be covered in third party sources. I'm sure some of them are, certainly. But this is simply a list of a ton of various organizations they've given customized belts too, almost completely primarily sourced. FrederalBacon ( talk) 09:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
These comments are copied from my post at Talk:New Era (WWE). They are perhaps more relevant to the List of WWE Champions article, but perhaps they have some value here. I also see that there is a discussion of the list of presentations in the "customized designs" section. I agree that this could be trimmed and that the paragraph with 43 citations is overkill and makes the article look far too dependent on Twitter. Right. The comments: "FrederalBacon raises a concern about the use of primary sources for a championship article. The project tries to present both the company narrative as well as reality in discussing the lineage of a championship. (Hear me out.) Wrestling promotions play games with their numbers and dates in order to present a fictional and promotable narrative. I don't doubt that for a second. A championship may be "won" (I'll put that in quotation marks as a concession the first time I use it to dissuade anyone of the notion that I believe that championships are legitimately won in an athletic competition, although I still firmly believe that it is an accomplishment because the title indicates that the wrestler has developed their character and/or narrative and/or fan base to the point that that are being made the public face of the for-profit company) at an arena on a Wednesday, but the television footage may not air until Saturday. The company may state that the championship was won on Saturday. This becomes part of the company's official, recorded history, even though it's not true. In earlier years, a wrestler may go on a working tour of a foreign country to defend their championship. To please the local crowd, they may lose the championship to a local wrestler. Before returning to the United States, they may win the championship back, as the title change was only ever perceived as a promotional opportunity to increase ticket sales. The title changes may not be announced to audiences in the United States. This can create a narrative of a long, unbroken championship reign despite the fact that it isn't true. While these official company (read: sometimes deliberately incorrect) numbers are presented on Wikipedia, editors have taken efforts to indicate the truth alongside them. This isn't blurring fact and fiction or presenting an in-universe account. This is intentionally taking it out of universe to indicate to the reader that the company narrative with which they might be familiar is not factual. In order to present the company's official history, it is often essential to use their recorded timeline for the dates. This is why primary sources are often used. It is not to deceive readers, either intentionally or through insufficient attention to the manual of style. It is to state that there are two sets of numbers and to provide a source for one of them, all while clearly indicating the unbiased reality next to it." GaryColemanFan ( talk) 17:37, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
although I still firmly believe that it is an accomplishment because the title indicates that the wrestler has developed their character and/or narrative and/or fan base to the point that that are being made the public face of the for-profit companyAgree 100%, I would even argue that doing so is just as hard as becoming a successful professional in any sport, if not harder, due to the personality and entertainment aspects, along with the phsycial requirements.
This becomes part of the company's official, recorded history, even though it's not trueWell good thing we're about verifiability, not truth. I have no problem with records being used to source this article. I just feel like they are being over used. In an article that has been primarily sourced, you're only getting one viewpoint. Has there been criticism of the WWE Championship? What do other people, other than the WWE, say about it? Stuff like that is missing from this article. FrederalBacon ( talk) 17:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
When I searched for WWE Championship on your site, it showed that the youngest champion is Brock Lesnar who won it at the age of 25 years. And when I searched for Randy Orton on your site, the text stated that he won the WWE Championship at the age of 24 years and became the youngest WWE Champion. So you're contradicting your own information. Actually it's Randy Orton who won the WWE Championship at the age of 24 years and beqcame the youngest WWE Champion. Please rectify that information on your WWE Championship page. 2405:204:3482:376F:EDFF:BDC1:13D2:AB1D ( talk) 06:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
WrestleMania 38 match was a title unification match, but OK WWE kept it active. lets look back. The 1905 original professional wrestling World Heavyweight Championship title was won by NWA World Heavyweight Champion Lou Thesz in 1956 and in 1957 the original title Championship was retired and NWA Championship carried its lineage and Lou Thesz was still the Champion. While Buddy Rogers was the champion he defeated by him in a one falls match in 1963 but the rule was that Championships can only change hands in 2 out of 3 falls match so WWWF split and made what is now knonw as the WWWE Championship which Rogers was awarded, however the original title's lineage was carried on by NWA still. Now in 1991 while Ric Flair was Champion WCW split form NWA, this time they split while Flair was the valid champion and gave him the brand new WCW World heavyweight Championship, while NWA kept pretending they retained the lineage, no now WCW World Heavyweight Championship was the real deal. This title was unified with the WWE Championship by Chris Jericho at WWE Vengeance 2001 and since then WWE Championship carried the lineage (the 2002 title awarded to HHH was no way linked to it its purely "primary claim" In 2022 at WM 38 Universal Champion Roman Reigns defeated WWE Champion Brock Lesner to unify the titles, realistically speaking and from historic, traditional and neutral perspective WWE Championship should have been deactivated then but no Reigns was listed as holder of both, which is pure primary source. Still ok Reigns did win it so we can count it, but when Cody Rhodes defeated Roman Reigns for the Universal Championship at WM 40 in 2024, not the WWE Championship, Cody never challenged for the WWE Championship, it is now represented by the single belt and is purely the Universal Championship in 2016. Only WWE claims it active which is WP:Primary, and by all historic accounts Roman reigns was the final one to win it and the moment he was defeated by Cody Rhodes for the "Universal Championship" on April 7, 2024, the WWE Championship became inactive and its lineage is carried on by the Universal Championship now so this title is deactivated as of April 7, 2024! Dilbaggg ( talk) 09:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
WWE now recognizes the title as the Undisputed WWE Championship, as seen here: https://www.wwe.com/titlehistory/wwe-championship Thatoneguylol101 ( talk) 05:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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The current name for the championship is the Undisputed WWE Championship, (see WWE.com) so it should say (UNDISPUTED WWE UNIVERSAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2022-2024 and the new name should be Undisputed WWE CHAMPIONSHIP 2024-Present Sixburgh786 ( talk) 13:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)