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I will continue to delete pictures of past designs that have the WWE that in reality never had them in the first place. The Attitude Era Belt and Smoking Skull belt NEVER had the WWE logo. They only had the WWF logo. Putting these up as past designs in inaccurate information and should not be presented as fact.
I got it out of storage and took a pic of my WWF Championship Replica (Attitude Era) with the proper logo. When I can resize it and such, I'll put it up. I got in contact with a friend of mine to do the same thing with his Smokin' Skull Belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
LOGOS DON'T MATTER!!!!! AND I'M AGREEING WITH GAVYN SYKES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckCoke ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
but would't that be all the Title past design too? Don't be such a baby(but then you) WWF and WWE are the same company just like WWWWF was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.126.69 ( talk) 13:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
So you think WWE a new company? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike ( talk • contribs)
Hey How do you guys feel about adding the titles vacancies? Its been vacated four times in its history so i think its notable what do you think? LifeStroke420 ( talk) 05:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
According to JR that with HHH winning the scramble it starts a new title reign. He said "Triple H has entered his 13th title reign" Overlordneo ( talk) 02:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Never believe anything JR says —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike ( talk • contribs) 03:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
When the WWE title was on Smackdown then drafted to RAW, the SD! plate on the tite belt was changed. Now that its back on SD!, has it changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.27 ( talk) 06:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
the following snapshot was taken during an interview on Dec. 14, 2008 which reveals "Mon-Nite RAW" still embedded in Smackdown's WWE Title: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/16/71842/mnr.jpg
A belt with an exceptionally long strap was created for André the Giant before WrestleMania III, however he never wore it as champion. Similarly, Edge had originally designed an entirely different custom belt than the "Rated R Spinner" design he used for his second reign; however, the plans were scrapped due to time constraints.[3] The "Spinner" belt's design has become the WWE Championship's primary design, having been used by John Cena, Edge, Rob Van Dam, Randy Orton and Triple H. However, ever since Randy Orton was awarded the belt at No Mercy 2007, the centerpiece still spins but force must be used. How do you know? Kalajan ( talk) 15:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I´m not stupid, but you can track him( something i dont know how to do) and block him Kalajan ( talk) 21:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Can anybody add the current picture of the WWE Title, I mean the rated-r style?
The name of the title did not change to being called the wwf championship as late as 1998, as early as 1991 Howard Finkle introduced the Hulk Hogan vs Untertaker match at survivor seris as being for "the world wrestling federation championship" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.6.47 ( talk) 00:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
the WWE Championship is not the only championship to be featured on all three brands. if you remember correctly, both Chavo Guerrero and Kane were on the SmackDown brand when they won the ECW title. Chavo did not get traded to ECW until after he lost the title to Kane at Wrestlemania 24. Furthermore, Kane brought the ECW Title to Raw with him after the 2008 Draft. so while the WWE title was the first title "owned" by Raw, ECW, and Smackdown brands, it is not the only one. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned
The ECW was never regonised as a smackdown championship Adster95 ( talk) 17:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
the championship belongs to the brand that the holder(s) is listed under. Chavo Guerrero was not a member of the ECW roster until after he lost the ECW Championship to Kane.
On the ECW roster bit during chavo and kanes reigns it remained there so it was still ecw exclusive. So its only been officially on the raw and smackdown brands. Adster95 ( talk) 11:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
The listing on wwe.com is irrelevant as it varies randomly. for example, when miz and morrison were WWE tag champions, the titles remained listed on the Smackdown page. however when they won the WORLd tag titles, they were moved to the ecw page.
They recently changed the side plate on the belt. The old one said Mon Nite RAW. The new one says WWE Champion. Anyone got a pic to show the updated look of the belt? Wwehurricane1 ( talk) 02:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I know we say that there been 38 different champions but can we also do something like HHH is the 89 person to hold the WWE title or is that useless information Supermike ( talk) 02:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
My Mistake Supermike ( talk) 02:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The Rock had his on custom bet The Brahama Bull Belt19:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 ( talk • contribs)
Is the word "World" included. Is this still regarded as a World Title? Dr Rgne ( talk) 08:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Did not Randy Orton "win" the WWE Championship from Batista via forfeit one night after Batista winned Orton due to Batista being injuried? Is not Randy Orton the WWE Champion, and NOT Bautista? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.185.207 ( talk • contribs)
On ECW tonight, they announced a four way to crown a new WWE Champion on next week's three-hour Raw so the title is vacant. Wwehurricane1 ( talk) 04:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Didn't Eddie guerrero weigh 228 not 220? look at this website:
http://www.mahalo.com/eddie-guerrero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 ( talk • contribs)
On WWE.com, they list the WWE Title on the Raw Superstars page.
This indicates that even though Batista is a SmackDown wrestler, the belt is still considered Raw property, and Batista acquired it through his deal with Vince McMahon.
Vjmlhds 17:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This, I can live with. All I was trying to say was Raw had a claim to the title as well as SD, that's all.
Vjmlhds 22:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be listed on that WWE Championship sidebar with the pull down thing that Sheamus is the 100th WWE Champion? He is the 100th ever WWE Champion.-- Nascarking ( talk) 17:33, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
It currently states that Guerrero is the Lightest WWE Champion, yet he weighed 228lbs, this is confirmed by Eddie's Wikipedia Page, secondly Eddie's weight next to "Lightest WWE Champion" is 225lbs when he weighed 228lbs, never, not even on live television did the announcer ever say 225lbs. Now that that has been said, Jeff Hardy weighs 215lbs, he was WWE Champion, shouldn't he be the Lightest WWE Champion???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The current shortest reign is recorded as Andre the Giant with 45 seconds, HOWEVER, if you look at Wikipedia's very own 2010 WWE Elimination Chamber pay-per-view, Batista's defeating then-champion John Cena was recorded at 32 seconds, thus making John Cena the shortest reigning WWE Champion. Now this is going off of your own numbers, Wikipedia, this is your documents I am referring to, so either the match time is wrong, or the data needs to be updated. Thanks :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.184.249 ( talk) 06:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Forgive me if this has been vetted here before, but the final line of the opening paragraph seems to be a tad anti-pro wrestling. "participants execute scripted finishes rather than contend in direct competition". While that certainly is true and there should be no attempt to hide that fact, that point is made in the article on professional wrestling itself, and I do not think that there are many who would come to a "history of a professional wrestling title" article without understanding what professional wrestling is. Putting it prominently in the first paragraph just seems to read like someone who disliked pro wrestling and wanted to belabor the point... should it be re-worded? BambinoPrime ( talk) 03:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm proposing some mention of the 3 versions of the undisputed belt. Now references are a problem but if anyone can help that would be great but during this belts time it increased in size dramatically and had some changes to the paintwork 138.253.199.180 ( talk) 16:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Just a question; Is it worth noting that The Miz is the first champion in several years to hold the WWE title for more than 100 days, or is this considered unimportant trivia? I think theres something to be said there, but just a question.-- 24.16.148.205 ( talk) 06:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Deleted line under Brand Designation where someone wrote in which a piece of shit John Cena. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calebcass1 ( talk • contribs) 14:42, May 23, 2011
This is a consistent problem, however the Big Gold Belt was never referred to as representing the WWE championship. It was originally (in WWE) known as the "WCW championship", before becoming known simply as the "World championship". When the the undisputed champion was crowned it continued to represent the "World championship" before being retired. Never was it referred to as the "WWE championship".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.229.242 ( talk • contribs)
The past designs section is horribly incomplete. While I agree that we don't need the smoking skull belt anymore than we need The Miz's "M" spinner belt (both just custom designs), we DO need to have the classic WWF championship. http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/features/wwe-belts-7.jpg Why that's not listed in past designs is beyond me. Hsox05 ( talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Let's clear this up once and for all.
CM Punk is still under contract to WWE.
They wouldn't have given him the belt otherwise...use some common sense.
It's all an angle, folks.
The WWE title is still Raw property, as the Punk/Cena/Vince saga takes place on that program.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 18:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
CM Punk officially redebuted with championship in hand on the July 25th edition of RAW, thus along with John Cena is the current and reigning WWE Champion. — Preceding
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Doesn't fucking matter, CM Punk is the ACTUAL WWE Champion, he never lost.
I don't think so dude. It's what the WWE wants you to believe. Go read the smackdown spoilers. CM Punk has resigned a new contract. That doesn't take away the fact that CM Punk is the ACTUAL WWE Champion. It's obvious you're a John Cena fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelsHockey ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Vince McMahon announced on RAW that a new Champion will be crowned tonight and that CM Punk has been stripped of the Championship. Please stop adding Punk as the Champion as this is false. The WWE Championship, as of right now, by orders of Vince McMahon, is VACANT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.7.128 ( talk) 01:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
It struck me last night, but could this whole issue with CM Punk and the WWE Championship just be a way of the WWE creating a new design for the title? -- Reverend Edward Brain, D.D. ( talk) 17:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I bolded these in the introductory section because it is important to bold alternate names (and not just the article title) and these terms all redirect here. Having them stands out shows they are just as significant as the current name and aids navigators in locating information about these belts and what they became and when. AweCo ( talk) 08:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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The page for WWE Championships is wrong. It says the champion is vacant, but it is actually held by CM Punk. He won the title on July 17, 2011 in Chicago, Ill. at the Money in the Bank pay per view. He has not been stripped of the title. On WWE's website, Punk is still listed as the champion: http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship
If you could please change this to be correct, I would appreciate it!
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want to write that cm punk is the champ
Golan22 ( talk) 12:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
If nothing else it should be both of them listed since they both currently hold title belts. Even though Punk is clearly still the champion Ajwindon ( talk) 04:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC) ajwindon
Do you watch wrestling though? Punk clearly still holds the title belt, and it is the original title belt. Not the fake one they made for a paper championship to hold over till he returned Ajwindon ( talk) 04:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cm_punk#WWE_Champion_.282011.29 he is still listed as Champion over on his wikipedia page Ajwindon ( talk) 04:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Which he won at Money In The Bank. The title was never vacated, therefore making Punk the true champion. At least that is what logic would conclude Ajwindon ( talk) 05:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
They never "vacated" it. They just created a new championship belt and that is what John Cena has. Ajwindon ( talk) 05:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
The title belt that he still has says different. Its okay not to admit it, but Cena is not the champion. Cena's belt is a fake and Punk will prove that and more with his return and current reign on Raw Ajwindon ( talk) 05:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
WWE's website features a picture of both Cena and Punk holding the titles with a caption saying "The Champs are here" It's not on the Superstars page, but neither is Punk. It just means they haven't updated yet. John Cena confirmed through his twitter page, that both men are considered WWE Champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.123.68 ( talk) 23:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
It says on this article
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2011-07-25/suspense-of-entitlement that "The Game, however, also found issue in John Cena’s lingering rematch that was denied him when the WWE Title exited Chicago’s Allstate Arena in Punk’s clutches. If all true, then under Triple H’s rule, for the first time in WWE history, there would be two officially recognized WWE Champions." — Preceding
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It's obvious that Dcheagle is a John Cena fan. — Preceding
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It's actually CM Punk, but that being said seeing as how you go by what WWE.com says, this means then that if WWE posts an article saying that Kane is injured for 3 months and even though everyone and their mother knows it's just part of a storyline, you're going to take their word for it and believe he is really injured? Ok I see how it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelsHockey ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
So is Triple H acknowledging two champions on Smackdown! enough for you, or are you going to keep on demonstrating why no one trusts Wikipedia as a valid source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.123.68 ( talk) 01:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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I noticed there is a typo on this page. You have it as WWWF instead of WWF! lol Id fix it myself if I could. Thought Id let you know! =) ----Arkitan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.102.133 ( talk) 07:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Nvm, I had always thought World Wide was one word! >.>
This isn't 2002. There is one single champion, Alberto Del Rio, and he should be the WWE Champion. The title is not disputed. Hopefully this undisputed mess stops soon... unless they decide to reunify the belts, which I doubt happens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.203.189 ( talk) 14:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
-- WWE.com is currently referring to the title as the Undisputed WWE Championship. The article's usage of that term seems to be warranted. 99.30.110.201 ( talk) 15:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I have been doing some reading and it seems the championship has been held by progressively younger people setting records over the years. This may not be all of them, but people who have apparently set this record are Undertaker then Yokozuna then Randy Orton. I am probably missing people before and in between. Bonechamber ( talk) 23:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Randy set the record for World title not the WWE one
Dolph Ziggler is not the WWE Champion. WWE.com does not list him as WWE Champion but still lists CM Punk as the WWE champion (evidence is in the above link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.73.54 ( talk) 22:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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Before World Wrestling Federation turned into World Wrestling Entertainment, the WWE Undisputed title belt once had the WWF logo on it. I tried to edit it and tahts why there is a mess at the top of the page, but heres the pic of that title http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100928002904/prowrestling/images/d/df/WWF_Undisputed_Championship.jpg, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.114.204 ( talk) 00:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I saw on yahoo a few days ago that the original WWWF title belt was recently found after it mysteriously went missing after it was won. It was then replaced. I think we should put this in the article somewhere it since very significant as i headlined the yahoo home page which is meant for big news and the fact that the orginal belt design went missing seems important though Here [3]-- BlackDragon 23:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The original belt was replaced before Wrestlemania 3 as the original belt could not fit around Andre the Giant in case he had won it from Hulk Hogan! ----Arkitan
The Red Strap Belt that this article calls custom was also worn in the title reigns of Pedro Morales, Stan Stasiak, and Bruno's second run. I have photos of them, and you can find photos elsewhere.
173.30.187.100 ( talk) 15:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello the championship belts section have a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, i have removed so many times but you revert it please remove the world championship because it is the page of WWE CHAMPIONSHIP
Thanks
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Don't edit the article 173.2.172.196. You really suck. Kskhh ( talk) 16:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Chris Jericho — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.124.123 ( talk) 22:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Since it has been made clear on the November 27 episode Main Event that the two world titles are facing unification at TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs (2013), should it be mentioned in the "Undisputed Champion" section about the reunification? Jedi Striker ( talk) 01:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't we change the picture of the belt to that of the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight titles together as this seems to be with what WWE are going with. Wyatt 151 ( talk) 21:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Resolved
A new article should be created called WWE World Heavyweight Championship as this is what WWE are referring the unified belts to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyatt 151 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I wish that they would change the name of the title to the WWE Undisputed Championship. It'd be better than the name it has now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.227.189 ( talk) 00:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
And that only the WWE lineage remains active? After all, they are still carrying both belts around. 2002:188B:E3DB:0:0:0:188B:E3DB ( talk) 06:01, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominee. ( non-admin closure) Jgera5 ( talk) 22:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
WWE World Heavyweight Championship → WWE Championship – The "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" name may only be temporary, as the Big Gold Belt is expected to be retired in the near future after 29 years while the relatively recently designed WWE Championship belt will become the sole belt for the championship. Additionally, moving the page just over a week after it was unified with the World Heavyweight Championship might be jumping the gun a bit. If it was over a year from the unification I could see it making sense, but I can see WWE simplifying the name back to WWE Championship like it did in the late 1980's. I suggest moving the page back to WWE Championship until it appears that WWE is in fact going to call it the WWE World Heavyweight Championship long-term. Jgera5 ( talk) 06:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Jgera5 ( talk) 06:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
For starters, thanks to Nick for seeing the previous discussion. With that said, the WWE Championship wasn't called the Undisputed Championship for even a year, and many of the wrestling dirt sites have said that the Big Gold Belt will be retired and the WWE Championship belt will eventually be the sole representation of the unified title. (Personally, I'd rather they would keep the Big Gold Belt and drop the newer design, but that's another story--at least it's an improvement over the "Spinner" belt.) It's not like WWE needs to classify weight classes anymore--they haven't had a true cruiserweight division since 2007 and even if they did still have it, SPOILER ALERT: it's all fake. That's why I created this discussion, to gauge people's reactions, but seeing that a decision was made at a prior point, I'm withdrawing the discussion for the time being. Jgera5 ( talk) 22:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
There is no way this can pass GA. It is under sourced and needs a copyedit, too many pictures, etc etc etc. It is an automatic fail. I should know. I expanded all of the TNA Championships to GA.-- Will C 23:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
There have been rumors going around that the Big Gold Belt had been retired.
Well, this photo from Battleground last night, with John Cena clearly holding both title belts should put that to rest.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Someone messed with the info box. Needs to be fixed. Dunno how to do it myself. Jedi Striker ( talk) 17:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Since Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan had pics of both belts, I looked for one for Cena. Found one on ign.com, but having trouble with the form. I'm very unfamiliar with uploading picture files. Anyone want to take a crack at it? Or maybe tell me how to properly do it? Here's the address with the picture on it: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/01/john-cena-to-turn-heel-for-fey-poehlers-the-nest Jedi Striker ( talk) 18:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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I have a picture of the new wwe championship with no background u can change the picture url to http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aaiw_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-wwe-Site/Sites-main/default/v1408477274401/images/large/W07717.jpg for a clean picture without cropping it Fxds400 ( talk) 00:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
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Admittedly, we don't know if Brock will still be Champion after Night of Champions 2014, but I'm pretty sure we could find a picture of him with the new belt, rather than one without? 182.55.99.33 ( talk) 14:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if there should be some consideration to making it more difficult for anonymous contributers to edit this article. After the event tonight, there was a lot of vandalism with regards to the Reigns section (Jillian Hall apparently won) and insisting Cena defeated Lesnar to become the new champion. Some of us had to do some reverting several times. Would a higher security level be possible? Chris 0095 ( talk) 03:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Chris 0095
"For the period between 2002–2013, the title was one of three world titles in WWE, along with the World Heavyweight Championship and ECW Championship (2006−2010)."
Why is the ECW title considered as a World title? Christian's WHC win in 2011 was considered his first world title by the WWE. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 12:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
No, they called him a 2-time World Champion in 2012, they called CM Punk a 5-time World Champ (2x WWE, 3x WHC, no ECW). It's like the NXT title, the major title of its own brand, but no WWE world title. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 21:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Chavo Guerrero entered the 2008 Rumble as ECW Champion. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 14:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
So do we have too split it? World title for 1 year, midcard title for 3 years? Or just say in retrospective it was no world title? Just like the WWE Championship. It was a regional title from 71-83, but everybody consideres Sammartino a 2-time world champ, even though he won the title during that time period. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 19:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
But then there were times were they didn't call it a world title. Who knows for sure? WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 16:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
At first there were two titles named WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship. So two articles of these two championship should be created on Wikipedia. Then now the title is merged and it is called WWE World Heavyweight Championship. So another article should be created named WWE World Heavyweight Championship. So the records of previous retired championship should be written on new championship. Ric Flair is most title winner of WWE World Heavyweight Championship i.e 16 times as WWE call it. It has record on WWE that Ric Flair is most time champion. There should new articles on Wikipedia... Noxboy ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC) Noxboy ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
But WWE calls Ric Flair as 16 time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Noxboy ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Noxboy ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Listen nicely what commenters say. They say "John Cena is 15 times WWE World Heavyweight Champion and there is only one man more who is Ric Flair with 16 times" Noxboy ( talk) 12:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok Noxboy ( talk) 13:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Why do we not list the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) from September 2002 – December 2013 as part of the history of this title's name? It clearly plays a role in the current title's name and aesthetics, possibly a more prominent one.
If you look at the title or when Seth Rollins is on TV, they will often just display the WWE logo (rather than the letters WWE) and then "World Heavyweight Champion".
To add on to this, during this match 10 August 2015 against Rollins for the title, the announcers are both saying he's a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion and saying he could walk out a 13-time one.
So they are also counting his World Heavyweight Championship reigns toward his cumulative WWE World Heavyweight Championship reigns.
I think this is grounds to restructure how WHW is ignored. Ranze ( talk) 03:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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We have a vandal who is not here to contribute I think. As of this comment, the title holder has been changed to CM Punk. It needs to be reverted and the user concerned blocked as he seems to have a history of this and nothing constructive. 1.136.96.185 ( talk) 00:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
What is John Cena 15 times champion? WWE calls John Cena as 15 times WWE World heavyweight Champion. Ric Flair holds record for most time WWE World Heavyweight Champion i.e 16 times. The titles has been unified so Ric Flair holds most title reigns. The match between Cena & Randy Orton was to unify titles not to retire it. So this page should be changed Noxboy ( talk) 02:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
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This article states that there have been 44 official WWE World Heavyweight Champions, when in actuality, there are 46 official champions. I only wish to make this one change. TheLastManOnEarth ( talk) 16:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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Under the "Other name(s)" section in the article infobox, Undisputed WWE Championship (2002) should be changed to WWE Undisputed Championship (2002) as the title was known during that period of time. The section "Championship disputes" should also be edited to reflect that. [4] 71.177.165.55 ( talk) 07:24, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
These numbers relate to my recent edits here.
The first set are the number of reigns listed at List_of_WWE_World_Heavyweight_Champions#Combined_reigns for Sheamus/Rock/Orton/Cena/HHH.
The second set are the numbers the WWE has actually stated to us in reliable sources, all of which I cited in the section I added.
WWE keeps adding to the mountain that they consider WCW Championship / World Championship / World Heavyweight Championship reigns as contributing to a reign total in respect to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
If we are going to present numbers which conflict with their own, we should explain why it is we do that. But even if you can't manage that, we should at least present the WWE's numbers and explain how they were reached, so that people are informed a contradiction in numbers exist between us (for whatever reason, I figure WP:OR) and them. Ranze ( talk) 03:48, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Nice cut and paste, but I have a surprise for you bro:
Still heartbroken over Jericho's destruction of their beloved trombone, Francesca, the WWE Tag Team Champions' attempt to get retribution on the six-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion was ultimately detoured
That brings it to 6 wrestlers with direct statements from the WWE about their cumulative reign which should lead us to re-examine our current presentation of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Jericho is similar to Rock in that he supports counting WCW/World Reigns, but also similar to the other 4 in that he supports counting World Heavyweight reigns too. Jericho has never been WWE champ, he has never been WWE World Heavyweight champ, but he has 6 reigns in the lineage that make him a 6-time WWEWHW champ: 3 WHW reigns, a WCW reign, a World reign, and a WWF Undisputed reign. If people don't present reasonable counter-arguments I will add this expanded 6-man list for people to consider. 12:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
A seventh to add:
Big Show has heard the Andre the Giant comparisons for 20 years. WCW announcers even labeled him as "Andre's son" when he first stepped inside a ring in 1995. At WrestleMania in Levi's® Stadium, though, the four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion lived up to those lofty comparisons
Big Show held the WWE twice and the WHW twice, WWE considers him 4-time. They ignored his WCW reigns when with the competition though, so this is grounds (compared to Jericho/Rock) that WWE only counts WCW/World reigns post-merger, but none when they were with WCW before they got bought ought. 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 12:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Please just WP:DROPTHESTICK. You've been harping on this for months, and there's no one who agrees with you. That's a clear case of tilting at windmills if I've ever seen one. oknazevad ( talk) 15:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The announcers just said that Sheamus ia a 4-time WWE WHC. That means that they're not just counting his 2 prior reigns as WWE champ but also his 1 reign as WHW champ. I think we should restructure things to take account of this. Here is supporting ref:
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
For this reason, the past WHW champs are just as much former WWE World Heavyweight Champions as the former WWE Champs. For that reason we should simply make an entirely new chart starting with Randy Orton. Ranze ( talk) 04:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Ranze, your interpretation is wrong. It is obvious that is the case. WWE in the pasted said Ric Flair was a 16 World Heavyweight Champion and many took that exact spelling and statement to mean he won the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) 16 times. That is not the case. The facts are the titles are not the same and do not share the same lineage because WWE has deactivated the WHC and has not merged the histories. You have taken a phrase too literal.-- Will C 13:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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The article for whatever reason lists Daniel Bryan as the shortest reigning WWE Champion at four minutes, and lists a source from 2008 alongside it. However, Andre the Giant is the shortest reigning WWE Champion, officially holding the title for 30 seconds, and Daniel Bryan couldn't possibly be on the list from 2008, because he wasn't even in the company at the time.
Therefore the new line should read: Andre the Giant's first reign is the shortest in WWE history, having officially held the title for 30 seconds.
2001:8003:6005:8A00:DD0C:AFCD:A7FA:7C98 ( talk) 04:35, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Acording to the title history, André's reign lasted 59 minutes, making Daniel Bryan's 4 minutes reign the shortest in history. I think it needs to be changed, or at least, it needs a reliable source. -- HHH ( talk) 06:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
It is listed as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Until WWE changes it on their own site then the name should remain the same as that is what the source says http://www.wwe.com/superstars stop changing it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 04:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Here's about the title User:NeilN as for The McMahon deal it falls under WP:Common Name which the other user has been told repeatedly and warned about on his talk page but continues to delete like he did your warning from earlier. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 06:54, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I was just going by what I was told by other users, clearly there is no consensus to change it as to many keep reverting it. It's been reverted several times Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 07:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The title officially went under the "WWE Championship" name on Raw last night which surely means something as the WWE wouldn't just change a titles name like that. Speedy Question Mark ( talk) 09:34, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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The WWE World Heavyweight Championship was renamed as of Monday June 27. It is now refered as only "WWE Championship"
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Not done. It's still listed as the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" on the WWE website. And the WWE made no such announcement.
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WWE.com made the change at some point today. It's now WWE Championship Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 18:51, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Now that this title is referred to as the WWE Championship, should the page be moved to "WWE Championship"? I've never moved a page before, so I was wondering if I needed a consensus before submitting the request. JTP ( talk) 19:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Due to constant reverts We need to have a solid consensus. Which name should he be listed as, Mr. McMahon or Vince McMahon. Simple answers is all that is needed
Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 07:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Consensus is 3 to 1 Vince McMahon stop changing it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
No, No. This consensus is no meaning. Watch site. Are you headstrong? Don't you understand the source?-- Shinkazamaturi ( talk) 05:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Consensus does have meaning here that is what most articles are based on, stop charging your borderline edit warring Which is why we were told by an admin to do a Consensus on the matter because it does matter. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Add me to those in favor of Vince McMahon, not Mr. McMahon. Because technically, when he won the title in September 1999, he was a babyface. He wasn't the heel Mr. McMahon. Go on the WWE Network and watch that match where he wins the title. Listen to Cole & Lawler on commentary and Tony Chimel doing the ring announcing. Everyone announces him as Vince. OldSkool01 ( talk) 05:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Thats 4 to 1, OldSkool01is correct just checked it.Like I said you need to stop changing it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
-- Shinkazamaturi ( talk) 03:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm supporting "Vince McMahon" here, because as OldSkool says, he wasn't billed as "Mr. McMahon" when he won the title. I am not for supporting WP:COMMONNAME usage in title histories though, had he won the title as Mr. McMahon we should have listed him as such and I think we need to refer to Vince as "Mr. McMahon" in articles where his heel character is mentioned. Mick Foley may be the common name of his three faces, but Mankind won this title three times and Dude Love won the tag titles, not Mick. Our articles should reflect this. LM2000 ( talk) 04:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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Nahid12345 ( talk) 03:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC) Current champion is Seth Rollins. Won from Dean Ambrose after a double pin causing it to be announced that he is the champion.
:Wrong. Match was declared a draw, and Ambrose retains on WWE Network after-RAW broadcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.252.176 ( talk) 03:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Not done As noted, the decision was reversed into a draw. Ambrose retains.
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WWE Championship → WWE World Championship – As per name change on WWE.com, WWE's official website, as well as was seen on their televised show SmackDown Live, where the championship is the show's top title. JDC808 ♫ 02:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Now that they renamed the title yet again I would like to draw attention to Talk:WWE_World_Heavyweight_Championship/Archive_3#WHW_contributes_to_reign_total which did not get totally resolved.
I provided copious reliable sources showing that World Heavyweight Championship reigns (and even WWE's WCW reigns per Rock) all were counted when totalling up a how-many-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion some people were. To reiterate an example:
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
The others were even stronger since they were published in text on the website instead of a transcribed commentary.
Since the second incarnation of the WWE Championship is a renamed WWE World Heavyweight Championship (unified first-incarnation WWE Championship with World Heavyweight Championship) how many times someone was a WWE World Heavyweight Champion still seems relevant...
Although I guess their going back to the old name could signify a rejection of the WHW reigns, but that's still a 180 on their numbering so we should still discuss it somewhere. Ranze ( talk) 06:28, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
@ OldSkool01: this is not just a matter of what Cole said, WWE.com repeatedly did this as well in its written articles. These were not simplified on-the-fly explanations, they were done by WWE.com staffers with offiical capitalization and everything. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Oknazevad: please do not abuse the concept of WP:SYNTH in your accusations. This straw-manning to discredit me is probably to cover up the obvious fact that people relying exclusively on the 'title history' page were engaging in their own synthesis by drawing personal interpretations of the page's meaning. It is simply not synthesis to reference reliable sources (articles from WWE.com staff, the same authors of the history page) when describing how many times an individual wrestlers is considered to be a WWE World Heavyweight Champion. I dropped this for a while because I was tired of banging my head against a brick wall, but a few stubborn people insisting that a 'consensus' existed doesn't actually make a consensus. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ LM2000: the original sources were basically ignored. The conversation about this got archived too quickly due to high activity in a page. I imagine the same would happen at the WikiProject. I think a task force dedicated to discussing this issue very thoroughly would be useful. Please avoid poisoning the well with unrelated information. If it is of interest to you: that block was an error which was quickly repealed when people realized that the topic ban had already expired months prior to editing the article someone blocked me for editing. The initial topic ban was also put in place by someone who lost their administrative privileges and was judged not to be impartial, so if I had spent more time on it, I could have had it overturned prior to its expiry, since I never violated BLP concerns to begin with. Considering this is an article about a championship and not BLP, I don't see how bringing it up is relevant here, it seems like an intent to distract from the issues. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ HHH Pedrigree: this wasn't merely an announcer issue. Don't you remember the other sources? There were articles as well. The title name's period being over is exactly why it's a great time to address this issue now. Although we certainly have future articles/mentions to listen for now with there being 2 titles, like for example, if Seth were to become the new Universal Champion, if they start calling him a "1-time Universal Champion" or start adding up prior numbers without changing the wording. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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WWE Championship → WWE World Heavyweight Championship – On the episode of RAW on July 25th, 2016 They renamed it back to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. – ZupaaHD ( talk) 00:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: It is still the WWE Championship, as listed on WWE.com, the official website of the WWE. They did not "rename it back". It was Stephanie McMahon referring to it as World Heavyweight to emphasize the fact that Raw did not have a World Heavyweight championship. -- JDC808 ♫ 01:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose Until they change it officially on WWE.com it needs to stay WWE Championship. This argument got the page locked down when it went from World Heavyweight. I heard her say it too but Just wait until we have something to reference. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 01:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
'Oppose When did they rename it on Raw? I just watched the whole show. Because Stephanie misspoke, that doesn't mean they renamed the title only a month after just changing it. If WWE.com changes it on their site then we should follow suit here. OldSkool01 ( talk) 04:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose Until WP:RS is provided indicating a change. LM2000 ( talk) 04:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Support There never was solid evidence for the previous change to begin with. Str1977 (talk) 10:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
WWE.com now lists this title as the WWE World Championship. http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-championship Dohvahkiin ( talk) 21:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The article says: "On the June 27, 2016 episode of Raw, WWE World Heavyweight Champion Dean Ambrose was referred to as the WWE Champion.[17] WWE then officially renamed the title as the WWE Championship.[18][19]"
While the first sentence is undoubtedly true and the reference provides a source for this, the same isn't true for the second sentence whose links only give more evidence of a shortened name being used, not that there was any official change. Given that the title after Battleground reverted to the earlier name, it seems doubtful that the shortened usage is relevant at all. Str1977 (talk) 10:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I understand that the belt wasn't a new design per se, but the fact is, there is a visual difference between when he held the belt, and when others held the spinner belt. The logo was intentionally flipped upside down for him as champion and changed back to the correct position after he lost the title. Sure, a picture isn't necessary as that's easily visualized by reading a description and seeing what the regular one looked like, but there at least should be some mention as it was "different", even if minor. -- JDC808 ♫ 03:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
The title wasn't custom per say, they just locked the W upside down, same belt. Honestly it's no different than the current side plates they use. As for all the belt pics, I for see them all getting tagged before long. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Oknazevad: Just wanted to give you an FYI for future reference. I just acquired a replica of the spinner belt and they didn't use a magnet to keep it from spinning. They used a different screw. One screw allows it to spin, the other doesn't. -- JDC808 ♫ 02:33, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Dear User:JDC808 and User:LM2000,
Regarding the claim that at No Mercy 2016 the WWE World Championship opened the show for the first time im history:
I have already argued that this is a detail that is not noteworthy in the 53-year-long history of this championship. It turns out that it is also not true, as at No_Mercy_(2007)#Results the pay-per-view opened with Triple H vs. Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. That the show closed a rematch doesn't change that fact.
We should all learn from this (me included because I believed it too) that WWE announcers say things that are patently false. Str1977 (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
So just watched another promotional video in regards to No Mercy (which was highlighting the fact that John Cena now has the most PPV main events). I believe the confusion came into how they promoted it. The new video was showing that it was the first "main event" to open the show, whereas the announcers were also saying it was the first time the WWE (World) Championship opened the show. I guess they were correct in a sense: it was the first time that the main event, which was also the WWE World Championship match, opened the show. Those previous times that the WWE (World) Championship opened the show, it wasn't the "main event". -- JDC808 ♫ 15:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
There is some dispute as to how to summarize the most salient points in the article. I don't believe much of the bulky third paragraph explains to readers why this championship is notable, in particular I don't think detailed accounts of brand switches belong in the lede. I've retained a succinct summary on unifications in my version. [5] Any thoughts? LM2000 ( talk) 23:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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I will continue to delete pictures of past designs that have the WWE that in reality never had them in the first place. The Attitude Era Belt and Smoking Skull belt NEVER had the WWE logo. They only had the WWF logo. Putting these up as past designs in inaccurate information and should not be presented as fact.
I got it out of storage and took a pic of my WWF Championship Replica (Attitude Era) with the proper logo. When I can resize it and such, I'll put it up. I got in contact with a friend of mine to do the same thing with his Smokin' Skull Belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
LOGOS DON'T MATTER!!!!! AND I'M AGREEING WITH GAVYN SYKES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckCoke ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
but would't that be all the Title past design too? Don't be such a baby(but then you) WWF and WWE are the same company just like WWWWF was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.126.69 ( talk) 13:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
So you think WWE a new company? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike ( talk • contribs)
Hey How do you guys feel about adding the titles vacancies? Its been vacated four times in its history so i think its notable what do you think? LifeStroke420 ( talk) 05:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
According to JR that with HHH winning the scramble it starts a new title reign. He said "Triple H has entered his 13th title reign" Overlordneo ( talk) 02:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Never believe anything JR says —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike ( talk • contribs) 03:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
When the WWE title was on Smackdown then drafted to RAW, the SD! plate on the tite belt was changed. Now that its back on SD!, has it changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.27 ( talk) 06:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
the following snapshot was taken during an interview on Dec. 14, 2008 which reveals "Mon-Nite RAW" still embedded in Smackdown's WWE Title: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/16/71842/mnr.jpg
A belt with an exceptionally long strap was created for André the Giant before WrestleMania III, however he never wore it as champion. Similarly, Edge had originally designed an entirely different custom belt than the "Rated R Spinner" design he used for his second reign; however, the plans were scrapped due to time constraints.[3] The "Spinner" belt's design has become the WWE Championship's primary design, having been used by John Cena, Edge, Rob Van Dam, Randy Orton and Triple H. However, ever since Randy Orton was awarded the belt at No Mercy 2007, the centerpiece still spins but force must be used. How do you know? Kalajan ( talk) 15:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I´m not stupid, but you can track him( something i dont know how to do) and block him Kalajan ( talk) 21:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Can anybody add the current picture of the WWE Title, I mean the rated-r style?
The name of the title did not change to being called the wwf championship as late as 1998, as early as 1991 Howard Finkle introduced the Hulk Hogan vs Untertaker match at survivor seris as being for "the world wrestling federation championship" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.6.47 ( talk) 00:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
the WWE Championship is not the only championship to be featured on all three brands. if you remember correctly, both Chavo Guerrero and Kane were on the SmackDown brand when they won the ECW title. Chavo did not get traded to ECW until after he lost the title to Kane at Wrestlemania 24. Furthermore, Kane brought the ECW Title to Raw with him after the 2008 Draft. so while the WWE title was the first title "owned" by Raw, ECW, and Smackdown brands, it is not the only one. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned
The ECW was never regonised as a smackdown championship Adster95 ( talk) 17:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
the championship belongs to the brand that the holder(s) is listed under. Chavo Guerrero was not a member of the ECW roster until after he lost the ECW Championship to Kane.
On the ECW roster bit during chavo and kanes reigns it remained there so it was still ecw exclusive. So its only been officially on the raw and smackdown brands. Adster95 ( talk) 11:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
The listing on wwe.com is irrelevant as it varies randomly. for example, when miz and morrison were WWE tag champions, the titles remained listed on the Smackdown page. however when they won the WORLd tag titles, they were moved to the ecw page.
They recently changed the side plate on the belt. The old one said Mon Nite RAW. The new one says WWE Champion. Anyone got a pic to show the updated look of the belt? Wwehurricane1 ( talk) 02:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I know we say that there been 38 different champions but can we also do something like HHH is the 89 person to hold the WWE title or is that useless information Supermike ( talk) 02:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
My Mistake Supermike ( talk) 02:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The Rock had his on custom bet The Brahama Bull Belt19:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 ( talk • contribs)
Is the word "World" included. Is this still regarded as a World Title? Dr Rgne ( talk) 08:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Did not Randy Orton "win" the WWE Championship from Batista via forfeit one night after Batista winned Orton due to Batista being injuried? Is not Randy Orton the WWE Champion, and NOT Bautista? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.185.207 ( talk • contribs)
On ECW tonight, they announced a four way to crown a new WWE Champion on next week's three-hour Raw so the title is vacant. Wwehurricane1 ( talk) 04:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Didn't Eddie guerrero weigh 228 not 220? look at this website:
http://www.mahalo.com/eddie-guerrero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 ( talk • contribs)
On WWE.com, they list the WWE Title on the Raw Superstars page.
This indicates that even though Batista is a SmackDown wrestler, the belt is still considered Raw property, and Batista acquired it through his deal with Vince McMahon.
Vjmlhds 17:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This, I can live with. All I was trying to say was Raw had a claim to the title as well as SD, that's all.
Vjmlhds 22:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be listed on that WWE Championship sidebar with the pull down thing that Sheamus is the 100th WWE Champion? He is the 100th ever WWE Champion.-- Nascarking ( talk) 17:33, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
It currently states that Guerrero is the Lightest WWE Champion, yet he weighed 228lbs, this is confirmed by Eddie's Wikipedia Page, secondly Eddie's weight next to "Lightest WWE Champion" is 225lbs when he weighed 228lbs, never, not even on live television did the announcer ever say 225lbs. Now that that has been said, Jeff Hardy weighs 215lbs, he was WWE Champion, shouldn't he be the Lightest WWE Champion???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 ( talk • contribs) 02:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The current shortest reign is recorded as Andre the Giant with 45 seconds, HOWEVER, if you look at Wikipedia's very own 2010 WWE Elimination Chamber pay-per-view, Batista's defeating then-champion John Cena was recorded at 32 seconds, thus making John Cena the shortest reigning WWE Champion. Now this is going off of your own numbers, Wikipedia, this is your documents I am referring to, so either the match time is wrong, or the data needs to be updated. Thanks :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.184.249 ( talk) 06:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Forgive me if this has been vetted here before, but the final line of the opening paragraph seems to be a tad anti-pro wrestling. "participants execute scripted finishes rather than contend in direct competition". While that certainly is true and there should be no attempt to hide that fact, that point is made in the article on professional wrestling itself, and I do not think that there are many who would come to a "history of a professional wrestling title" article without understanding what professional wrestling is. Putting it prominently in the first paragraph just seems to read like someone who disliked pro wrestling and wanted to belabor the point... should it be re-worded? BambinoPrime ( talk) 03:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm proposing some mention of the 3 versions of the undisputed belt. Now references are a problem but if anyone can help that would be great but during this belts time it increased in size dramatically and had some changes to the paintwork 138.253.199.180 ( talk) 16:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Just a question; Is it worth noting that The Miz is the first champion in several years to hold the WWE title for more than 100 days, or is this considered unimportant trivia? I think theres something to be said there, but just a question.-- 24.16.148.205 ( talk) 06:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Deleted line under Brand Designation where someone wrote in which a piece of shit John Cena. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calebcass1 ( talk • contribs) 14:42, May 23, 2011
This is a consistent problem, however the Big Gold Belt was never referred to as representing the WWE championship. It was originally (in WWE) known as the "WCW championship", before becoming known simply as the "World championship". When the the undisputed champion was crowned it continued to represent the "World championship" before being retired. Never was it referred to as the "WWE championship".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.229.242 ( talk • contribs)
The past designs section is horribly incomplete. While I agree that we don't need the smoking skull belt anymore than we need The Miz's "M" spinner belt (both just custom designs), we DO need to have the classic WWF championship. http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/features/wwe-belts-7.jpg Why that's not listed in past designs is beyond me. Hsox05 ( talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Let's clear this up once and for all.
CM Punk is still under contract to WWE.
They wouldn't have given him the belt otherwise...use some common sense.
It's all an angle, folks.
The WWE title is still Raw property, as the Punk/Cena/Vince saga takes place on that program.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 18:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
CM Punk officially redebuted with championship in hand on the July 25th edition of RAW, thus along with John Cena is the current and reigning WWE Champion. — Preceding
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Doesn't fucking matter, CM Punk is the ACTUAL WWE Champion, he never lost.
I don't think so dude. It's what the WWE wants you to believe. Go read the smackdown spoilers. CM Punk has resigned a new contract. That doesn't take away the fact that CM Punk is the ACTUAL WWE Champion. It's obvious you're a John Cena fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelsHockey ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Vince McMahon announced on RAW that a new Champion will be crowned tonight and that CM Punk has been stripped of the Championship. Please stop adding Punk as the Champion as this is false. The WWE Championship, as of right now, by orders of Vince McMahon, is VACANT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.7.128 ( talk) 01:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
It struck me last night, but could this whole issue with CM Punk and the WWE Championship just be a way of the WWE creating a new design for the title? -- Reverend Edward Brain, D.D. ( talk) 17:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I bolded these in the introductory section because it is important to bold alternate names (and not just the article title) and these terms all redirect here. Having them stands out shows they are just as significant as the current name and aids navigators in locating information about these belts and what they became and when. AweCo ( talk) 08:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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The page for WWE Championships is wrong. It says the champion is vacant, but it is actually held by CM Punk. He won the title on July 17, 2011 in Chicago, Ill. at the Money in the Bank pay per view. He has not been stripped of the title. On WWE's website, Punk is still listed as the champion: http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship
If you could please change this to be correct, I would appreciate it!
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want to write that cm punk is the champ
Golan22 ( talk) 12:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
If nothing else it should be both of them listed since they both currently hold title belts. Even though Punk is clearly still the champion Ajwindon ( talk) 04:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC) ajwindon
Do you watch wrestling though? Punk clearly still holds the title belt, and it is the original title belt. Not the fake one they made for a paper championship to hold over till he returned Ajwindon ( talk) 04:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cm_punk#WWE_Champion_.282011.29 he is still listed as Champion over on his wikipedia page Ajwindon ( talk) 04:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Which he won at Money In The Bank. The title was never vacated, therefore making Punk the true champion. At least that is what logic would conclude Ajwindon ( talk) 05:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
They never "vacated" it. They just created a new championship belt and that is what John Cena has. Ajwindon ( talk) 05:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
The title belt that he still has says different. Its okay not to admit it, but Cena is not the champion. Cena's belt is a fake and Punk will prove that and more with his return and current reign on Raw Ajwindon ( talk) 05:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
WWE's website features a picture of both Cena and Punk holding the titles with a caption saying "The Champs are here" It's not on the Superstars page, but neither is Punk. It just means they haven't updated yet. John Cena confirmed through his twitter page, that both men are considered WWE Champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.123.68 ( talk) 23:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
It says on this article
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2011-07-25/suspense-of-entitlement that "The Game, however, also found issue in John Cena’s lingering rematch that was denied him when the WWE Title exited Chicago’s Allstate Arena in Punk’s clutches. If all true, then under Triple H’s rule, for the first time in WWE history, there would be two officially recognized WWE Champions." — Preceding
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It's actually CM Punk, but that being said seeing as how you go by what WWE.com says, this means then that if WWE posts an article saying that Kane is injured for 3 months and even though everyone and their mother knows it's just part of a storyline, you're going to take their word for it and believe he is really injured? Ok I see how it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebelsHockey ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
So is Triple H acknowledging two champions on Smackdown! enough for you, or are you going to keep on demonstrating why no one trusts Wikipedia as a valid source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.123.68 ( talk) 01:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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I noticed there is a typo on this page. You have it as WWWF instead of WWF! lol Id fix it myself if I could. Thought Id let you know! =) ----Arkitan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.102.133 ( talk) 07:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Nvm, I had always thought World Wide was one word! >.>
This isn't 2002. There is one single champion, Alberto Del Rio, and he should be the WWE Champion. The title is not disputed. Hopefully this undisputed mess stops soon... unless they decide to reunify the belts, which I doubt happens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.203.189 ( talk) 14:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
-- WWE.com is currently referring to the title as the Undisputed WWE Championship. The article's usage of that term seems to be warranted. 99.30.110.201 ( talk) 15:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I have been doing some reading and it seems the championship has been held by progressively younger people setting records over the years. This may not be all of them, but people who have apparently set this record are Undertaker then Yokozuna then Randy Orton. I am probably missing people before and in between. Bonechamber ( talk) 23:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Randy set the record for World title not the WWE one
Dolph Ziggler is not the WWE Champion. WWE.com does not list him as WWE Champion but still lists CM Punk as the WWE champion (evidence is in the above link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.73.54 ( talk) 22:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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Before World Wrestling Federation turned into World Wrestling Entertainment, the WWE Undisputed title belt once had the WWF logo on it. I tried to edit it and tahts why there is a mess at the top of the page, but heres the pic of that title http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100928002904/prowrestling/images/d/df/WWF_Undisputed_Championship.jpg, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.114.204 ( talk) 00:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I saw on yahoo a few days ago that the original WWWF title belt was recently found after it mysteriously went missing after it was won. It was then replaced. I think we should put this in the article somewhere it since very significant as i headlined the yahoo home page which is meant for big news and the fact that the orginal belt design went missing seems important though Here [3]-- BlackDragon 23:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The original belt was replaced before Wrestlemania 3 as the original belt could not fit around Andre the Giant in case he had won it from Hulk Hogan! ----Arkitan
The Red Strap Belt that this article calls custom was also worn in the title reigns of Pedro Morales, Stan Stasiak, and Bruno's second run. I have photos of them, and you can find photos elsewhere.
173.30.187.100 ( talk) 15:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello the championship belts section have a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, i have removed so many times but you revert it please remove the world championship because it is the page of WWE CHAMPIONSHIP
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Don't edit the article 173.2.172.196. You really suck. Kskhh ( talk) 16:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Chris Jericho — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.124.123 ( talk) 22:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Since it has been made clear on the November 27 episode Main Event that the two world titles are facing unification at TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs (2013), should it be mentioned in the "Undisputed Champion" section about the reunification? Jedi Striker ( talk) 01:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't we change the picture of the belt to that of the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight titles together as this seems to be with what WWE are going with. Wyatt 151 ( talk) 21:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Resolved
A new article should be created called WWE World Heavyweight Championship as this is what WWE are referring the unified belts to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyatt 151 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I wish that they would change the name of the title to the WWE Undisputed Championship. It'd be better than the name it has now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.227.189 ( talk) 00:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
And that only the WWE lineage remains active? After all, they are still carrying both belts around. 2002:188B:E3DB:0:0:0:188B:E3DB ( talk) 06:01, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominee. ( non-admin closure) Jgera5 ( talk) 22:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
WWE World Heavyweight Championship → WWE Championship – The "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" name may only be temporary, as the Big Gold Belt is expected to be retired in the near future after 29 years while the relatively recently designed WWE Championship belt will become the sole belt for the championship. Additionally, moving the page just over a week after it was unified with the World Heavyweight Championship might be jumping the gun a bit. If it was over a year from the unification I could see it making sense, but I can see WWE simplifying the name back to WWE Championship like it did in the late 1980's. I suggest moving the page back to WWE Championship until it appears that WWE is in fact going to call it the WWE World Heavyweight Championship long-term. Jgera5 ( talk) 06:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Jgera5 ( talk) 06:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
For starters, thanks to Nick for seeing the previous discussion. With that said, the WWE Championship wasn't called the Undisputed Championship for even a year, and many of the wrestling dirt sites have said that the Big Gold Belt will be retired and the WWE Championship belt will eventually be the sole representation of the unified title. (Personally, I'd rather they would keep the Big Gold Belt and drop the newer design, but that's another story--at least it's an improvement over the "Spinner" belt.) It's not like WWE needs to classify weight classes anymore--they haven't had a true cruiserweight division since 2007 and even if they did still have it, SPOILER ALERT: it's all fake. That's why I created this discussion, to gauge people's reactions, but seeing that a decision was made at a prior point, I'm withdrawing the discussion for the time being. Jgera5 ( talk) 22:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
There is no way this can pass GA. It is under sourced and needs a copyedit, too many pictures, etc etc etc. It is an automatic fail. I should know. I expanded all of the TNA Championships to GA.-- Will C 23:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
There have been rumors going around that the Big Gold Belt had been retired.
Well, this photo from Battleground last night, with John Cena clearly holding both title belts should put that to rest.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Someone messed with the info box. Needs to be fixed. Dunno how to do it myself. Jedi Striker ( talk) 17:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Since Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan had pics of both belts, I looked for one for Cena. Found one on ign.com, but having trouble with the form. I'm very unfamiliar with uploading picture files. Anyone want to take a crack at it? Or maybe tell me how to properly do it? Here's the address with the picture on it: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/01/john-cena-to-turn-heel-for-fey-poehlers-the-nest Jedi Striker ( talk) 18:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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I have a picture of the new wwe championship with no background u can change the picture url to http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aaiw_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-wwe-Site/Sites-main/default/v1408477274401/images/large/W07717.jpg for a clean picture without cropping it Fxds400 ( talk) 00:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
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Admittedly, we don't know if Brock will still be Champion after Night of Champions 2014, but I'm pretty sure we could find a picture of him with the new belt, rather than one without? 182.55.99.33 ( talk) 14:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if there should be some consideration to making it more difficult for anonymous contributers to edit this article. After the event tonight, there was a lot of vandalism with regards to the Reigns section (Jillian Hall apparently won) and insisting Cena defeated Lesnar to become the new champion. Some of us had to do some reverting several times. Would a higher security level be possible? Chris 0095 ( talk) 03:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Chris 0095
"For the period between 2002–2013, the title was one of three world titles in WWE, along with the World Heavyweight Championship and ECW Championship (2006−2010)."
Why is the ECW title considered as a World title? Christian's WHC win in 2011 was considered his first world title by the WWE. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 12:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
No, they called him a 2-time World Champion in 2012, they called CM Punk a 5-time World Champ (2x WWE, 3x WHC, no ECW). It's like the NXT title, the major title of its own brand, but no WWE world title. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 21:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Chavo Guerrero entered the 2008 Rumble as ECW Champion. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 14:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
So do we have too split it? World title for 1 year, midcard title for 3 years? Or just say in retrospective it was no world title? Just like the WWE Championship. It was a regional title from 71-83, but everybody consideres Sammartino a 2-time world champ, even though he won the title during that time period. WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 19:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
But then there were times were they didn't call it a world title. Who knows for sure? WrestlingLegendAS ( talk) 16:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
At first there were two titles named WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship. So two articles of these two championship should be created on Wikipedia. Then now the title is merged and it is called WWE World Heavyweight Championship. So another article should be created named WWE World Heavyweight Championship. So the records of previous retired championship should be written on new championship. Ric Flair is most title winner of WWE World Heavyweight Championship i.e 16 times as WWE call it. It has record on WWE that Ric Flair is most time champion. There should new articles on Wikipedia... Noxboy ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC) Noxboy ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
But WWE calls Ric Flair as 16 time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Noxboy ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Noxboy ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Listen nicely what commenters say. They say "John Cena is 15 times WWE World Heavyweight Champion and there is only one man more who is Ric Flair with 16 times" Noxboy ( talk) 12:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok Noxboy ( talk) 13:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Why do we not list the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) from September 2002 – December 2013 as part of the history of this title's name? It clearly plays a role in the current title's name and aesthetics, possibly a more prominent one.
If you look at the title or when Seth Rollins is on TV, they will often just display the WWE logo (rather than the letters WWE) and then "World Heavyweight Champion".
To add on to this, during this match 10 August 2015 against Rollins for the title, the announcers are both saying he's a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion and saying he could walk out a 13-time one.
So they are also counting his World Heavyweight Championship reigns toward his cumulative WWE World Heavyweight Championship reigns.
I think this is grounds to restructure how WHW is ignored. Ranze ( talk) 03:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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We have a vandal who is not here to contribute I think. As of this comment, the title holder has been changed to CM Punk. It needs to be reverted and the user concerned blocked as he seems to have a history of this and nothing constructive. 1.136.96.185 ( talk) 00:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
What is John Cena 15 times champion? WWE calls John Cena as 15 times WWE World heavyweight Champion. Ric Flair holds record for most time WWE World Heavyweight Champion i.e 16 times. The titles has been unified so Ric Flair holds most title reigns. The match between Cena & Randy Orton was to unify titles not to retire it. So this page should be changed Noxboy ( talk) 02:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
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This article states that there have been 44 official WWE World Heavyweight Champions, when in actuality, there are 46 official champions. I only wish to make this one change. TheLastManOnEarth ( talk) 16:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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Under the "Other name(s)" section in the article infobox, Undisputed WWE Championship (2002) should be changed to WWE Undisputed Championship (2002) as the title was known during that period of time. The section "Championship disputes" should also be edited to reflect that. [4] 71.177.165.55 ( talk) 07:24, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
These numbers relate to my recent edits here.
The first set are the number of reigns listed at List_of_WWE_World_Heavyweight_Champions#Combined_reigns for Sheamus/Rock/Orton/Cena/HHH.
The second set are the numbers the WWE has actually stated to us in reliable sources, all of which I cited in the section I added.
WWE keeps adding to the mountain that they consider WCW Championship / World Championship / World Heavyweight Championship reigns as contributing to a reign total in respect to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
If we are going to present numbers which conflict with their own, we should explain why it is we do that. But even if you can't manage that, we should at least present the WWE's numbers and explain how they were reached, so that people are informed a contradiction in numbers exist between us (for whatever reason, I figure WP:OR) and them. Ranze ( talk) 03:48, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Nice cut and paste, but I have a surprise for you bro:
Still heartbroken over Jericho's destruction of their beloved trombone, Francesca, the WWE Tag Team Champions' attempt to get retribution on the six-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion was ultimately detoured
That brings it to 6 wrestlers with direct statements from the WWE about their cumulative reign which should lead us to re-examine our current presentation of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Jericho is similar to Rock in that he supports counting WCW/World Reigns, but also similar to the other 4 in that he supports counting World Heavyweight reigns too. Jericho has never been WWE champ, he has never been WWE World Heavyweight champ, but he has 6 reigns in the lineage that make him a 6-time WWEWHW champ: 3 WHW reigns, a WCW reign, a World reign, and a WWF Undisputed reign. If people don't present reasonable counter-arguments I will add this expanded 6-man list for people to consider. 12:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
A seventh to add:
Big Show has heard the Andre the Giant comparisons for 20 years. WCW announcers even labeled him as "Andre's son" when he first stepped inside a ring in 1995. At WrestleMania in Levi's® Stadium, though, the four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion lived up to those lofty comparisons
Big Show held the WWE twice and the WHW twice, WWE considers him 4-time. They ignored his WCW reigns when with the competition though, so this is grounds (compared to Jericho/Rock) that WWE only counts WCW/World reigns post-merger, but none when they were with WCW before they got bought ought. 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 12:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Please just WP:DROPTHESTICK. You've been harping on this for months, and there's no one who agrees with you. That's a clear case of tilting at windmills if I've ever seen one. oknazevad ( talk) 15:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The announcers just said that Sheamus ia a 4-time WWE WHC. That means that they're not just counting his 2 prior reigns as WWE champ but also his 1 reign as WHW champ. I think we should restructure things to take account of this. Here is supporting ref:
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
For this reason, the past WHW champs are just as much former WWE World Heavyweight Champions as the former WWE Champs. For that reason we should simply make an entirely new chart starting with Randy Orton. Ranze ( talk) 04:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Ranze, your interpretation is wrong. It is obvious that is the case. WWE in the pasted said Ric Flair was a 16 World Heavyweight Champion and many took that exact spelling and statement to mean he won the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) 16 times. That is not the case. The facts are the titles are not the same and do not share the same lineage because WWE has deactivated the WHC and has not merged the histories. You have taken a phrase too literal.-- Will C 13:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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The article for whatever reason lists Daniel Bryan as the shortest reigning WWE Champion at four minutes, and lists a source from 2008 alongside it. However, Andre the Giant is the shortest reigning WWE Champion, officially holding the title for 30 seconds, and Daniel Bryan couldn't possibly be on the list from 2008, because he wasn't even in the company at the time.
Therefore the new line should read: Andre the Giant's first reign is the shortest in WWE history, having officially held the title for 30 seconds.
2001:8003:6005:8A00:DD0C:AFCD:A7FA:7C98 ( talk) 04:35, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Acording to the title history, André's reign lasted 59 minutes, making Daniel Bryan's 4 minutes reign the shortest in history. I think it needs to be changed, or at least, it needs a reliable source. -- HHH ( talk) 06:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
It is listed as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Until WWE changes it on their own site then the name should remain the same as that is what the source says http://www.wwe.com/superstars stop changing it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 04:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Here's about the title User:NeilN as for The McMahon deal it falls under WP:Common Name which the other user has been told repeatedly and warned about on his talk page but continues to delete like he did your warning from earlier. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 06:54, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I was just going by what I was told by other users, clearly there is no consensus to change it as to many keep reverting it. It's been reverted several times Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 07:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The title officially went under the "WWE Championship" name on Raw last night which surely means something as the WWE wouldn't just change a titles name like that. Speedy Question Mark ( talk) 09:34, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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The WWE World Heavyweight Championship was renamed as of Monday June 27. It is now refered as only "WWE Championship"
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Not done. It's still listed as the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" on the WWE website. And the WWE made no such announcement.
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WWE.com made the change at some point today. It's now WWE Championship Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 18:51, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Now that this title is referred to as the WWE Championship, should the page be moved to "WWE Championship"? I've never moved a page before, so I was wondering if I needed a consensus before submitting the request. JTP ( talk) 19:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Due to constant reverts We need to have a solid consensus. Which name should he be listed as, Mr. McMahon or Vince McMahon. Simple answers is all that is needed
Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 07:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Consensus is 3 to 1 Vince McMahon stop changing it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
No, No. This consensus is no meaning. Watch site. Are you headstrong? Don't you understand the source?-- Shinkazamaturi ( talk) 05:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Consensus does have meaning here that is what most articles are based on, stop charging your borderline edit warring Which is why we were told by an admin to do a Consensus on the matter because it does matter. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Add me to those in favor of Vince McMahon, not Mr. McMahon. Because technically, when he won the title in September 1999, he was a babyface. He wasn't the heel Mr. McMahon. Go on the WWE Network and watch that match where he wins the title. Listen to Cole & Lawler on commentary and Tony Chimel doing the ring announcing. Everyone announces him as Vince. OldSkool01 ( talk) 05:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Thats 4 to 1, OldSkool01is correct just checked it.Like I said you need to stop changing it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 05:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
-- Shinkazamaturi ( talk) 03:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm supporting "Vince McMahon" here, because as OldSkool says, he wasn't billed as "Mr. McMahon" when he won the title. I am not for supporting WP:COMMONNAME usage in title histories though, had he won the title as Mr. McMahon we should have listed him as such and I think we need to refer to Vince as "Mr. McMahon" in articles where his heel character is mentioned. Mick Foley may be the common name of his three faces, but Mankind won this title three times and Dude Love won the tag titles, not Mick. Our articles should reflect this. LM2000 ( talk) 04:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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Nahid12345 ( talk) 03:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC) Current champion is Seth Rollins. Won from Dean Ambrose after a double pin causing it to be announced that he is the champion.
:Wrong. Match was declared a draw, and Ambrose retains on WWE Network after-RAW broadcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.252.176 ( talk) 03:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Not done As noted, the decision was reversed into a draw. Ambrose retains.
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WWE Championship → WWE World Championship – As per name change on WWE.com, WWE's official website, as well as was seen on their televised show SmackDown Live, where the championship is the show's top title. JDC808 ♫ 02:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Now that they renamed the title yet again I would like to draw attention to Talk:WWE_World_Heavyweight_Championship/Archive_3#WHW_contributes_to_reign_total which did not get totally resolved.
I provided copious reliable sources showing that World Heavyweight Championship reigns (and even WWE's WCW reigns per Rock) all were counted when totalling up a how-many-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion some people were. To reiterate an example:
Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta.
The others were even stronger since they were published in text on the website instead of a transcribed commentary.
Since the second incarnation of the WWE Championship is a renamed WWE World Heavyweight Championship (unified first-incarnation WWE Championship with World Heavyweight Championship) how many times someone was a WWE World Heavyweight Champion still seems relevant...
Although I guess their going back to the old name could signify a rejection of the WHW reigns, but that's still a 180 on their numbering so we should still discuss it somewhere. Ranze ( talk) 06:28, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
@ OldSkool01: this is not just a matter of what Cole said, WWE.com repeatedly did this as well in its written articles. These were not simplified on-the-fly explanations, they were done by WWE.com staffers with offiical capitalization and everything. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Oknazevad: please do not abuse the concept of WP:SYNTH in your accusations. This straw-manning to discredit me is probably to cover up the obvious fact that people relying exclusively on the 'title history' page were engaging in their own synthesis by drawing personal interpretations of the page's meaning. It is simply not synthesis to reference reliable sources (articles from WWE.com staff, the same authors of the history page) when describing how many times an individual wrestlers is considered to be a WWE World Heavyweight Champion. I dropped this for a while because I was tired of banging my head against a brick wall, but a few stubborn people insisting that a 'consensus' existed doesn't actually make a consensus. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ LM2000: the original sources were basically ignored. The conversation about this got archived too quickly due to high activity in a page. I imagine the same would happen at the WikiProject. I think a task force dedicated to discussing this issue very thoroughly would be useful. Please avoid poisoning the well with unrelated information. If it is of interest to you: that block was an error which was quickly repealed when people realized that the topic ban had already expired months prior to editing the article someone blocked me for editing. The initial topic ban was also put in place by someone who lost their administrative privileges and was judged not to be impartial, so if I had spent more time on it, I could have had it overturned prior to its expiry, since I never violated BLP concerns to begin with. Considering this is an article about a championship and not BLP, I don't see how bringing it up is relevant here, it seems like an intent to distract from the issues. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@ HHH Pedrigree: this wasn't merely an announcer issue. Don't you remember the other sources? There were articles as well. The title name's period being over is exactly why it's a great time to address this issue now. Although we certainly have future articles/mentions to listen for now with there being 2 titles, like for example, if Seth were to become the new Universal Champion, if they start calling him a "1-time Universal Champion" or start adding up prior numbers without changing the wording. Ranze ( talk) 13:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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WWE Championship → WWE World Heavyweight Championship – On the episode of RAW on July 25th, 2016 They renamed it back to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. – ZupaaHD ( talk) 00:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: It is still the WWE Championship, as listed on WWE.com, the official website of the WWE. They did not "rename it back". It was Stephanie McMahon referring to it as World Heavyweight to emphasize the fact that Raw did not have a World Heavyweight championship. -- JDC808 ♫ 01:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose Until they change it officially on WWE.com it needs to stay WWE Championship. This argument got the page locked down when it went from World Heavyweight. I heard her say it too but Just wait until we have something to reference. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 01:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
'Oppose When did they rename it on Raw? I just watched the whole show. Because Stephanie misspoke, that doesn't mean they renamed the title only a month after just changing it. If WWE.com changes it on their site then we should follow suit here. OldSkool01 ( talk) 04:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose Until WP:RS is provided indicating a change. LM2000 ( talk) 04:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Support There never was solid evidence for the previous change to begin with. Str1977 (talk) 10:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
WWE.com now lists this title as the WWE World Championship. http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-championship Dohvahkiin ( talk) 21:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The article says: "On the June 27, 2016 episode of Raw, WWE World Heavyweight Champion Dean Ambrose was referred to as the WWE Champion.[17] WWE then officially renamed the title as the WWE Championship.[18][19]"
While the first sentence is undoubtedly true and the reference provides a source for this, the same isn't true for the second sentence whose links only give more evidence of a shortened name being used, not that there was any official change. Given that the title after Battleground reverted to the earlier name, it seems doubtful that the shortened usage is relevant at all. Str1977 (talk) 10:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I understand that the belt wasn't a new design per se, but the fact is, there is a visual difference between when he held the belt, and when others held the spinner belt. The logo was intentionally flipped upside down for him as champion and changed back to the correct position after he lost the title. Sure, a picture isn't necessary as that's easily visualized by reading a description and seeing what the regular one looked like, but there at least should be some mention as it was "different", even if minor. -- JDC808 ♫ 03:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
The title wasn't custom per say, they just locked the W upside down, same belt. Honestly it's no different than the current side plates they use. As for all the belt pics, I for see them all getting tagged before long. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Oknazevad: Just wanted to give you an FYI for future reference. I just acquired a replica of the spinner belt and they didn't use a magnet to keep it from spinning. They used a different screw. One screw allows it to spin, the other doesn't. -- JDC808 ♫ 02:33, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Dear User:JDC808 and User:LM2000,
Regarding the claim that at No Mercy 2016 the WWE World Championship opened the show for the first time im history:
I have already argued that this is a detail that is not noteworthy in the 53-year-long history of this championship. It turns out that it is also not true, as at No_Mercy_(2007)#Results the pay-per-view opened with Triple H vs. Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. That the show closed a rematch doesn't change that fact.
We should all learn from this (me included because I believed it too) that WWE announcers say things that are patently false. Str1977 (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
So just watched another promotional video in regards to No Mercy (which was highlighting the fact that John Cena now has the most PPV main events). I believe the confusion came into how they promoted it. The new video was showing that it was the first "main event" to open the show, whereas the announcers were also saying it was the first time the WWE (World) Championship opened the show. I guess they were correct in a sense: it was the first time that the main event, which was also the WWE World Championship match, opened the show. Those previous times that the WWE (World) Championship opened the show, it wasn't the "main event". -- JDC808 ♫ 15:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
There is some dispute as to how to summarize the most salient points in the article. I don't believe much of the bulky third paragraph explains to readers why this championship is notable, in particular I don't think detailed accounts of brand switches belong in the lede. I've retained a succinct summary on unifications in my version. [5] Any thoughts? LM2000 ( talk) 23:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)