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Selectv has been purchased by Win television therefor it stays in his artical. Future Australian President 19:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone at all have a WIN Ten logo? The company seems to be denying/hiding all existence of the station on its website. -- Chuq 03:00, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not clear on why a special table needs to be created, given that a perfectly fine <gallery> thingo exists. The way it's set out at the moment is much harder to edit and looks a bit ugly TBH, surely something like this (below) would be better: Another problem with the current table is that it doesn't appear to wrap to the page's width. timgraham 10:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
" Stickeylabel" The two logo's are different and you uploaded both of them now why would you upload to images the same, because there not. Why are you deleting my information, what's wrong with it. If any other people disagree with Stickeylabel please leave a comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westpac1234 ( talk • contribs).
There i reverted the page back are you happy. I see you had nothing to say about the logo's, because you know there different. You think you know everything about WIN TV, but have you ever watched it. The slogan they use is WIN Television not Still the one get your facts right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westpac1234 ( talk • contribs).
Please do not remove any comments from other users on this page without a vaild reason! Also please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ~~~~ ; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Bidgee 06:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
124.183.155.27, seems to be adding multiple logos, and rendering the size of logos to a point where the article violates Fair-use. I have reverted such changes. Please in future discuss the size of logos and the amount of logos on the talk page, before implementing. Also keep in mind that the logo section and the main infobox is for displaying logos to enhance the article's enclyclopedia value, please do not add logos elsewhere if they have already appeared in either of these locations. Stickeylabel 11:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
"Stickeylabel" The two logo's are different and you uploaded both of them now why would you upload to images the same, because there not.-- 124.183.131.211 08:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
There different you twit.-- 124.183.131.211 10:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, then technically every single slight variation of the Channel Nine logo over the years should be added, then. The 2006-2007 logo is just the same as the 2007 logo but presented with visual effects on screen as part of WIN's identity. ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 11:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
If you don't like or like the new layout for bulletins please comment.-- Ingleburn 13:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
That is okay i was just trying to help, with the word anchors it was written on the the national nine news site before it was changed after i made these changes. Thank you for leaving a message, .-- Ingleburn 04:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Could i do it the same but no big headings, e.g:
-- Ingleburn 05:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Ingleburn, you can't change an article's rating without requesting the page be reviewed. This needs to be done on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia/Assessment page. Also, I hardly think the WIN TV article is fit for a GA rating yet. It needs some work, which I'm sure you are determined to help with, but the changes are more than just layout. Content is the key, and I don't mean content from other Wiki articles either. Once the article is fit to be reviewed it can then be changed to reflect it's proper rating. Smacca 10:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have now expanded the history section to an appropriate length, and I am currently working to expand other sections of the article. May I please request that the News section and the identity section be expanded and cited to include key historic information. Stickeylabel 10:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the condensation of the Availability section, as it was over condensed with key links and details replaced by "in most areas" and "a number of". The section should be informative and should contain details about stations and simulcast availability. May I please request the section be expanded, as opposed to condensed. Stickeylabel 13:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
WIN is broadcast terrestrially through the network's owned-and-operated stations, including:
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Some WIN-produeced programming is shown on WIN Corporation's metropolitan stations NWS Adelaide and STW Perth.
There are just a couple of suggestions. The dropping of key Nine network programmes is mentioned at the end of the Programming section and in the previous section; it only needs to be mentioned once. The Logos section could be better placed as a sub-section at the end of the History section. The statement about "spanning the largest geographical area in the world" is a little awkward; perhaps it could be reworded slightly. Maybe "covering a larger geographical area than any other television network" would be an improvement.
I've decided to put this article on hold as the article is very close to GA status, however the issues noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos 21:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Stickeylabel, and thanks for explaining that :) In terms of a standard format being used across articles I wonder if you have considered the possibility of a Featured Topic ( WP:FT) on Australian television. I've been suitably impressed with the three articles I've reviewed now on this subject. The breadth of coverage is very good, with an impressive amount of detail, without the article bogging down in trivialities. So I would just like to offer every encouragement... -- Johnfos 22:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I can see why you would be concernede about the article being too condensed but in my view the changes (that were reverted almost straight away) made the section a bit clearer (the callsigsn aren't used on-air anymore and it's been quite a few years now that the majority of people can see where the link they're hovering over leads to). There were also a number of things completely unrelated to the part which you seemed to take issue with so it'd be nice if they could have been left there.
I don't intend on getting into a lengthy dispute, which is why I've brought it up here - come up with something better (which in my view, the original wasn't), or put it back. timgraham 06:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Would "Across Australia" or "Australia's Largest Regional Network" be more appropriate as the slogan? They (as well as Nine) have not used Still the One the entire year. - Boochan 07:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
This may seem a little controversial, but I have removed the schedule information for this page. It is simply too difficult to maintain a schedule here as almost every single state/region has a different time (especially for WIN News. Apparently, NSW has it on at 6:30pm (so does Canberra) [3] but Townsville has it on at 6:00pm. [4] Tasmania complicates things by having it on at 6:00pm [5] whilst Victoria views it at 6:30pm [6]. Other differences occur on other days at different times, this is just one major example. Auroranorth 11:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what the background is for this hostility but I agree with Auroranorth's reasoning, coming from Townsville myself it seems very NSW centric to put a schedule in that reflects only one of WIN's schedules, it should be all or nothing or make it very clear that there are variations on the schedule from region to region. but the main thing is we need to keep the discussion civil, it didn't even get near breaching the 3RR so I don't know why one reversion is such a problem. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 13:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps something like User:Timg231/drafts#Schedule might be more appropriate (it's nowhere near complete but it is an idea..I think it's a bit more relevant than present). timgraham 14:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
RE:
Thank you, that's just what I was looking for. You said "Discussion is better than an edit war," - that's exactly what you did, started an edit war by deleting the table first, just like on the GWN page. You said "I've 'dragged' you into discussion twice where I seemed fit." - thats exactly my previous point aswell. Dragging us into discussion is one thing, but deleting something with having no ideas at all is wrong. Ok, now I'll leave this discussion until you show us one of your ideas for a replacement, otherwise this is just you 'putting us to work' and making us brainstorm to justify your rude deletion, like last time. -- Smacca | Talk 09:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Smacca, please stop the personal attacks, nothing can be deleted from wikipedia, that is a common misunderstanding; people who edit on wikipedia can only add to the project as all previous versions are saved in the history and sections which are not included in new versions can easily be restored. It only disrupts the project when an edit war breaks out, which did not happen in this case. There is no problem with removing content if it is thought to be justifiable, because if someone disagrees with it they can revert it and all parties can then discuss on the talk page, if every edit was discussed then we'd get nowhere. Things only need discussion if there is disagreement, which there was in this case and therefore there is discussion, you need to move on from what might have been minor rudeness in the first instance, because it is your comments that are breaching WP:CIVIL. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 10:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there going to be a schedule for SA? We now have Channel 7 programming (ie. Decent television) now, and I would love to do the schedule myself, but the one look at the table code scared me! :o
Douglas 05:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I have now created a WIN South Australia schedule at the SES/RTS article. As well as this, both the WIN WA and WIN SA schedules are now wikilinked below WIN Television's current schedule. Stickeylabel 06:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Lampman ( talk) 12:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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Selectv has been purchased by Win television therefor it stays in his artical. Future Australian President 19:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone at all have a WIN Ten logo? The company seems to be denying/hiding all existence of the station on its website. -- Chuq 03:00, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not clear on why a special table needs to be created, given that a perfectly fine <gallery> thingo exists. The way it's set out at the moment is much harder to edit and looks a bit ugly TBH, surely something like this (below) would be better: Another problem with the current table is that it doesn't appear to wrap to the page's width. timgraham 10:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
" Stickeylabel" The two logo's are different and you uploaded both of them now why would you upload to images the same, because there not. Why are you deleting my information, what's wrong with it. If any other people disagree with Stickeylabel please leave a comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westpac1234 ( talk • contribs).
There i reverted the page back are you happy. I see you had nothing to say about the logo's, because you know there different. You think you know everything about WIN TV, but have you ever watched it. The slogan they use is WIN Television not Still the one get your facts right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westpac1234 ( talk • contribs).
Please do not remove any comments from other users on this page without a vaild reason! Also please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ~~~~ ; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Bidgee 06:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
124.183.155.27, seems to be adding multiple logos, and rendering the size of logos to a point where the article violates Fair-use. I have reverted such changes. Please in future discuss the size of logos and the amount of logos on the talk page, before implementing. Also keep in mind that the logo section and the main infobox is for displaying logos to enhance the article's enclyclopedia value, please do not add logos elsewhere if they have already appeared in either of these locations. Stickeylabel 11:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
"Stickeylabel" The two logo's are different and you uploaded both of them now why would you upload to images the same, because there not.-- 124.183.131.211 08:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
There different you twit.-- 124.183.131.211 10:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, then technically every single slight variation of the Channel Nine logo over the years should be added, then. The 2006-2007 logo is just the same as the 2007 logo but presented with visual effects on screen as part of WIN's identity. ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 11:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
If you don't like or like the new layout for bulletins please comment.-- Ingleburn 13:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
That is okay i was just trying to help, with the word anchors it was written on the the national nine news site before it was changed after i made these changes. Thank you for leaving a message, .-- Ingleburn 04:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Could i do it the same but no big headings, e.g:
-- Ingleburn 05:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Ingleburn, you can't change an article's rating without requesting the page be reviewed. This needs to be done on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia/Assessment page. Also, I hardly think the WIN TV article is fit for a GA rating yet. It needs some work, which I'm sure you are determined to help with, but the changes are more than just layout. Content is the key, and I don't mean content from other Wiki articles either. Once the article is fit to be reviewed it can then be changed to reflect it's proper rating. Smacca 10:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have now expanded the history section to an appropriate length, and I am currently working to expand other sections of the article. May I please request that the News section and the identity section be expanded and cited to include key historic information. Stickeylabel 10:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the condensation of the Availability section, as it was over condensed with key links and details replaced by "in most areas" and "a number of". The section should be informative and should contain details about stations and simulcast availability. May I please request the section be expanded, as opposed to condensed. Stickeylabel 13:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
WIN is broadcast terrestrially through the network's owned-and-operated stations, including:
|
Some WIN-produeced programming is shown on WIN Corporation's metropolitan stations NWS Adelaide and STW Perth.
There are just a couple of suggestions. The dropping of key Nine network programmes is mentioned at the end of the Programming section and in the previous section; it only needs to be mentioned once. The Logos section could be better placed as a sub-section at the end of the History section. The statement about "spanning the largest geographical area in the world" is a little awkward; perhaps it could be reworded slightly. Maybe "covering a larger geographical area than any other television network" would be an improvement.
I've decided to put this article on hold as the article is very close to GA status, however the issues noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos 21:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Stickeylabel, and thanks for explaining that :) In terms of a standard format being used across articles I wonder if you have considered the possibility of a Featured Topic ( WP:FT) on Australian television. I've been suitably impressed with the three articles I've reviewed now on this subject. The breadth of coverage is very good, with an impressive amount of detail, without the article bogging down in trivialities. So I would just like to offer every encouragement... -- Johnfos 22:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I can see why you would be concernede about the article being too condensed but in my view the changes (that were reverted almost straight away) made the section a bit clearer (the callsigsn aren't used on-air anymore and it's been quite a few years now that the majority of people can see where the link they're hovering over leads to). There were also a number of things completely unrelated to the part which you seemed to take issue with so it'd be nice if they could have been left there.
I don't intend on getting into a lengthy dispute, which is why I've brought it up here - come up with something better (which in my view, the original wasn't), or put it back. timgraham 06:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Would "Across Australia" or "Australia's Largest Regional Network" be more appropriate as the slogan? They (as well as Nine) have not used Still the One the entire year. - Boochan 07:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
This may seem a little controversial, but I have removed the schedule information for this page. It is simply too difficult to maintain a schedule here as almost every single state/region has a different time (especially for WIN News. Apparently, NSW has it on at 6:30pm (so does Canberra) [3] but Townsville has it on at 6:00pm. [4] Tasmania complicates things by having it on at 6:00pm [5] whilst Victoria views it at 6:30pm [6]. Other differences occur on other days at different times, this is just one major example. Auroranorth 11:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what the background is for this hostility but I agree with Auroranorth's reasoning, coming from Townsville myself it seems very NSW centric to put a schedule in that reflects only one of WIN's schedules, it should be all or nothing or make it very clear that there are variations on the schedule from region to region. but the main thing is we need to keep the discussion civil, it didn't even get near breaching the 3RR so I don't know why one reversion is such a problem. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 13:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps something like User:Timg231/drafts#Schedule might be more appropriate (it's nowhere near complete but it is an idea..I think it's a bit more relevant than present). timgraham 14:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
RE:
Thank you, that's just what I was looking for. You said "Discussion is better than an edit war," - that's exactly what you did, started an edit war by deleting the table first, just like on the GWN page. You said "I've 'dragged' you into discussion twice where I seemed fit." - thats exactly my previous point aswell. Dragging us into discussion is one thing, but deleting something with having no ideas at all is wrong. Ok, now I'll leave this discussion until you show us one of your ideas for a replacement, otherwise this is just you 'putting us to work' and making us brainstorm to justify your rude deletion, like last time. -- Smacca | Talk 09:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Smacca, please stop the personal attacks, nothing can be deleted from wikipedia, that is a common misunderstanding; people who edit on wikipedia can only add to the project as all previous versions are saved in the history and sections which are not included in new versions can easily be restored. It only disrupts the project when an edit war breaks out, which did not happen in this case. There is no problem with removing content if it is thought to be justifiable, because if someone disagrees with it they can revert it and all parties can then discuss on the talk page, if every edit was discussed then we'd get nowhere. Things only need discussion if there is disagreement, which there was in this case and therefore there is discussion, you need to move on from what might have been minor rudeness in the first instance, because it is your comments that are breaching WP:CIVIL. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 10:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there going to be a schedule for SA? We now have Channel 7 programming (ie. Decent television) now, and I would love to do the schedule myself, but the one look at the table code scared me! :o
Douglas 05:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I have now created a WIN South Australia schedule at the SES/RTS article. As well as this, both the WIN WA and WIN SA schedules are now wikilinked below WIN Television's current schedule. Stickeylabel 06:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Lampman ( talk) 12:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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