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About my "massive rewrite": firstly, I have tried to consistenly use "it" and the singular for the company throughout (I think I broke down towards the end). This isn't to everyone's taste, so I'm sorry if you don't like it. Secondly, two factoids from the previous article didn't make it in, because they seemed trivial to me:
This seemed potentially interesting, but I'm not sure how easy it is to refer to copies of this internal publication. In taking it out I have orphaned the Newsbasket article; maybe it should go back in as a "see also", but I'm not sure.
This lasted less than a year and was only a "newsletter", not even a magazine. The link to Primetime led to another topic altogether, anyway.
I may also have wandered into POV in my assessment of the offerings at W H Smith. Be bold if you disagree. -- rbrwr ± 17:50, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't have the correct information, but the opening of the "History" section must be incorrect, as Euston station was not built until the 19th century, and passenger rail travel had not been invented in 1792. Ephialtes ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC).
I can't see why this article is "W H Smith" rather than "WHSmith" which is the name in the format currently used by the company. Are there any objections to the article being moved? (and yes, I do know the variants are re-directs, and maybe it isn't over important) UkPaolo 20:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've done a partial rewrite of the introductory section of the article. I've added new headings, which can hopefully be expanded further to explain the current operations of the company (the article as it stands seems largely focused on the history, and I'm not sure gets across the nature of WHSmith stores for people not from the UK who may not be familiar with them). UkPaolo 21:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I work for WHSmith Retail so I have to deal with the guff that comes in and out of the shop on a daily basis.
Despite mail coming addressed to "WHSmith", "WH Smith", "W H Smith", "W.H.Smith", and vaients of that using Smiths as well as John Menzies the official names are as follows.
WH Smith PLC WHSmith Everything Else
Therefore I would suggest using WH Smith as the artcicle refers to the company as a whole.
Regarding the newsletters - they've been superceeded by ad-hoc communication on the company intranet.
81.178.236.108
16:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
A few questions, since I was adding a bit to the article:-
Fourohfour 12:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The Menzies stores in England that WHS took on did include High street branches, but they tended to be small suburban branches as far as I can tell (all the English ex-Menzies that are part of the estate now that I can think of off the top of my head are in small towns).
Anything about the takeover or merger of Preedy's/Preedies in the 80s/90s anywhere? Since I know of several ex-Preedy now WHS (with staff who were Preedy staff) -- Lazaqat 20:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi UKPaolo, Just FYI I discussed the frequent inversion of Private Eye recently with a friend who works at W H Smith, and he admitted it is an internal cultural thing, and tacitly encouraged by some members of senior management. I think I saw someone else comment about it somewhere on the web a year or two ago, if I find the link I will throw it your way for your consideration. Sjc 05:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Prior to buying the Our Price chain, Smith's owned Sound FX, a record store which was merged with Our Price in 1986. Nothing about Sound FX is mentioned here. I can't add anything as I have looked high and low for information... anyone able to add anything? 205.188.117.71 22:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The article did state that the old box-shaped logo was used until 2004 (I have changed this). I know – and I'm sure most others can remember this – that the old logo was actually dropped in the early- or mid nineties, but I don't know which year. Can anyone help? — Stonefield 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure that the new Cambridge store in 1999 opened with the old logos, but not for long before it was changed. King Rikk ( talk) 20:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks like I might be wrong, as this image suggests the new branding was in use in May 1999. http://www.rebuildingmanchester.co.uk/index.php?option=com_flickurpicpro&Itemid=87&Set=72157606644931254# King Rikk ( talk) 11:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the move from W H Smith to WHSmith; this has been reverted. This wasn't due the name chosen (an important, but entirely separate issue; see below). It was because the move used cut-and-paste; losing the edit history- discourteous to contributors, as well as breaking the GFDL.
I know that it's not possible to properly move the page (without Admin powers) because WHSmith is an existing article. However, cut-and-paste moves are bad, full stop.
(I should make clear that the move was- apparently- carried out in good faith, and that the editor was a relative newcomer, so no hard feelings or blame intended towards them. Sorry if this came across as a lecture.)
Fourohfour 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Since I had to deal with the page move reversion anyway, we may as well discuss whether the page move was a good idea (even if it was executed badly).
There may be a case in favour if "WHSmith" reflects an actual official company name change and/or W H Smith are making a big deal about this rebranding.
On the other hand, if the removal of spacing simply reflects a minor stylistic issue over how Smiths wish their existing name to be presented, then (IMHO) leave the page where it is. Moving it for the sake of some over-extrapolated (if not misleading) pseudo-precision would be utterly pointless; just another form of wiki-masturbation that requires more link-maintenance.
Fourohfour 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
In the article App Store, it the following quote in reference to WH Switch is include: "The Guardian described censorship of explicit content by Apple as analogous to that of the distributor WH Smith, a main distributor which for many years imposed content restrictions on British publishers." but when I came over to this article I found nothing on this former practice BY WH Smith. Something should be include in this article on about the former practice by WH Smith of forcing content restrictions on UK mags they sold. -- Cab88 ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
W H Smith → WHSmith – The company themselves no longer format their official title with spaces ("W H Smith"), they have used "WHSmith "for over a decade. Please see their website, this shows their logo stating "WHSmith" and the copyrighted title "WHSmith" at the bottom of the page. Limbsaw ~talk~ 13:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the 'International' section: The part about Australian stores only talks about 7 in Melbourne and leaves out the (many) other stores across the country.
I have tried to re-word it as best as I can, but I can't get it to make sense - maybe somebody else could have a try? If you do, there is a list of Australian (and other Int'l stores) in this document by WHSmith themselves: http://www.whsmithplc.co.uk/docs/International_Store_Contact_Details_3.pdf
Yoyosamo ( talk) 11:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
P.S. I hope that posting here was the right thing to do, I want to make the AU section be 'all inclusive' but didn't want to ruin the flow of the page - I am only new to this so I apologise if I shouldn't have posted here ;)
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About my "massive rewrite": firstly, I have tried to consistenly use "it" and the singular for the company throughout (I think I broke down towards the end). This isn't to everyone's taste, so I'm sorry if you don't like it. Secondly, two factoids from the previous article didn't make it in, because they seemed trivial to me:
This seemed potentially interesting, but I'm not sure how easy it is to refer to copies of this internal publication. In taking it out I have orphaned the Newsbasket article; maybe it should go back in as a "see also", but I'm not sure.
This lasted less than a year and was only a "newsletter", not even a magazine. The link to Primetime led to another topic altogether, anyway.
I may also have wandered into POV in my assessment of the offerings at W H Smith. Be bold if you disagree. -- rbrwr ± 17:50, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't have the correct information, but the opening of the "History" section must be incorrect, as Euston station was not built until the 19th century, and passenger rail travel had not been invented in 1792. Ephialtes ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC).
I can't see why this article is "W H Smith" rather than "WHSmith" which is the name in the format currently used by the company. Are there any objections to the article being moved? (and yes, I do know the variants are re-directs, and maybe it isn't over important) UkPaolo 20:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've done a partial rewrite of the introductory section of the article. I've added new headings, which can hopefully be expanded further to explain the current operations of the company (the article as it stands seems largely focused on the history, and I'm not sure gets across the nature of WHSmith stores for people not from the UK who may not be familiar with them). UkPaolo 21:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I work for WHSmith Retail so I have to deal with the guff that comes in and out of the shop on a daily basis.
Despite mail coming addressed to "WHSmith", "WH Smith", "W H Smith", "W.H.Smith", and vaients of that using Smiths as well as John Menzies the official names are as follows.
WH Smith PLC WHSmith Everything Else
Therefore I would suggest using WH Smith as the artcicle refers to the company as a whole.
Regarding the newsletters - they've been superceeded by ad-hoc communication on the company intranet.
81.178.236.108
16:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
A few questions, since I was adding a bit to the article:-
Fourohfour 12:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The Menzies stores in England that WHS took on did include High street branches, but they tended to be small suburban branches as far as I can tell (all the English ex-Menzies that are part of the estate now that I can think of off the top of my head are in small towns).
Anything about the takeover or merger of Preedy's/Preedies in the 80s/90s anywhere? Since I know of several ex-Preedy now WHS (with staff who were Preedy staff) -- Lazaqat 20:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi UKPaolo, Just FYI I discussed the frequent inversion of Private Eye recently with a friend who works at W H Smith, and he admitted it is an internal cultural thing, and tacitly encouraged by some members of senior management. I think I saw someone else comment about it somewhere on the web a year or two ago, if I find the link I will throw it your way for your consideration. Sjc 05:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Prior to buying the Our Price chain, Smith's owned Sound FX, a record store which was merged with Our Price in 1986. Nothing about Sound FX is mentioned here. I can't add anything as I have looked high and low for information... anyone able to add anything? 205.188.117.71 22:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The article did state that the old box-shaped logo was used until 2004 (I have changed this). I know – and I'm sure most others can remember this – that the old logo was actually dropped in the early- or mid nineties, but I don't know which year. Can anyone help? — Stonefield 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure that the new Cambridge store in 1999 opened with the old logos, but not for long before it was changed. King Rikk ( talk) 20:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks like I might be wrong, as this image suggests the new branding was in use in May 1999. http://www.rebuildingmanchester.co.uk/index.php?option=com_flickurpicpro&Itemid=87&Set=72157606644931254# King Rikk ( talk) 11:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the move from W H Smith to WHSmith; this has been reverted. This wasn't due the name chosen (an important, but entirely separate issue; see below). It was because the move used cut-and-paste; losing the edit history- discourteous to contributors, as well as breaking the GFDL.
I know that it's not possible to properly move the page (without Admin powers) because WHSmith is an existing article. However, cut-and-paste moves are bad, full stop.
(I should make clear that the move was- apparently- carried out in good faith, and that the editor was a relative newcomer, so no hard feelings or blame intended towards them. Sorry if this came across as a lecture.)
Fourohfour 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Since I had to deal with the page move reversion anyway, we may as well discuss whether the page move was a good idea (even if it was executed badly).
There may be a case in favour if "WHSmith" reflects an actual official company name change and/or W H Smith are making a big deal about this rebranding.
On the other hand, if the removal of spacing simply reflects a minor stylistic issue over how Smiths wish their existing name to be presented, then (IMHO) leave the page where it is. Moving it for the sake of some over-extrapolated (if not misleading) pseudo-precision would be utterly pointless; just another form of wiki-masturbation that requires more link-maintenance.
Fourohfour 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
In the article App Store, it the following quote in reference to WH Switch is include: "The Guardian described censorship of explicit content by Apple as analogous to that of the distributor WH Smith, a main distributor which for many years imposed content restrictions on British publishers." but when I came over to this article I found nothing on this former practice BY WH Smith. Something should be include in this article on about the former practice by WH Smith of forcing content restrictions on UK mags they sold. -- Cab88 ( talk) 10:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
W H Smith → WHSmith – The company themselves no longer format their official title with spaces ("W H Smith"), they have used "WHSmith "for over a decade. Please see their website, this shows their logo stating "WHSmith" and the copyrighted title "WHSmith" at the bottom of the page. Limbsaw ~talk~ 13:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the 'International' section: The part about Australian stores only talks about 7 in Melbourne and leaves out the (many) other stores across the country.
I have tried to re-word it as best as I can, but I can't get it to make sense - maybe somebody else could have a try? If you do, there is a list of Australian (and other Int'l stores) in this document by WHSmith themselves: http://www.whsmithplc.co.uk/docs/International_Store_Contact_Details_3.pdf
Yoyosamo ( talk) 11:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
P.S. I hope that posting here was the right thing to do, I want to make the AU section be 'all inclusive' but didn't want to ruin the flow of the page - I am only new to this so I apologise if I shouldn't have posted here ;)
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