This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
@
Onel5969 added the template a day after publishing, an uncomforting silent verdict.
This is my first dance on this floor, I'm eager to learn. Pleeeease, when and if there's further need for more citations, give some hints, as proposed by policy.
Alossola (
talk)
15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi. Not everything needs a reference, for example, "the sky is blue", but articles dealing with subjects not well-known generally, every assertion should have a source which validates the information. For example, in your article, you make the claim regarding 1 win and 6 Grammy nominations, which is sourced. But then you add "and won or contributed to four Grammy awards", which is uncited. That would definitely need a citation proving that statement. Also, the discography needs sourcing. Now, that can be a single source, which contains all the information, or you can have individual refs for each (which is incredibly tedious). I don't do work on music articles, but I do create film bios, and when I put in the filmography, I usually add a parenthetical statement right below the header, and before the filmography, which reads, "(as per
AFI's database)", and then I add the footnote to that statement. You did something similar in the Musicians section.
The band definitely meets notability criteria (the Grammy nominations/awards automatically qualify them), but without sourcing, any of that information could be removed at any time by any editor, and then, as per
WP:BURDEN, could not be re-added without providing those citations. I hope I'm making sense here. It's not really difficult, but it can be tedious. And don't be afraid to ask questions, most folks are willing to help.
Onel5969TT me17:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Onel5969, thanks for the kind explanations - the experience has much improved now.
I know that there are still gaps, question is, how deep to dig. One I didn't expect to need attention is the discography which I "inherited" from the German version. Gonna need to find a good database for that or trunctate it to the cited ones. I'm not even sure if it's appropriate or necessary.
OTOH, the "four Grammys" statemeent is an "ahead" summary - they are cited for in the next paragraphs (## 17, 18).
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
@
Onel5969 added the template a day after publishing, an uncomforting silent verdict.
This is my first dance on this floor, I'm eager to learn. Pleeeease, when and if there's further need for more citations, give some hints, as proposed by policy.
Alossola (
talk)
15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi. Not everything needs a reference, for example, "the sky is blue", but articles dealing with subjects not well-known generally, every assertion should have a source which validates the information. For example, in your article, you make the claim regarding 1 win and 6 Grammy nominations, which is sourced. But then you add "and won or contributed to four Grammy awards", which is uncited. That would definitely need a citation proving that statement. Also, the discography needs sourcing. Now, that can be a single source, which contains all the information, or you can have individual refs for each (which is incredibly tedious). I don't do work on music articles, but I do create film bios, and when I put in the filmography, I usually add a parenthetical statement right below the header, and before the filmography, which reads, "(as per
AFI's database)", and then I add the footnote to that statement. You did something similar in the Musicians section.
The band definitely meets notability criteria (the Grammy nominations/awards automatically qualify them), but without sourcing, any of that information could be removed at any time by any editor, and then, as per
WP:BURDEN, could not be re-added without providing those citations. I hope I'm making sense here. It's not really difficult, but it can be tedious. And don't be afraid to ask questions, most folks are willing to help.
Onel5969TT me17:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Onel5969, thanks for the kind explanations - the experience has much improved now.
I know that there are still gaps, question is, how deep to dig. One I didn't expect to need attention is the discography which I "inherited" from the German version. Gonna need to find a good database for that or trunctate it to the cited ones. I'm not even sure if it's appropriate or necessary.
OTOH, the "four Grammys" statemeent is an "ahead" summary - they are cited for in the next paragraphs (## 17, 18).