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Creator User:Rjeng2000 elsewhere suggested that some number of WBF Open leaders should have biographies here. The red links in this list would prompt the biographies.
For bridge people redlinks, see especially the List of contract bridge people and "New Article Nominations" at WP:WPCB#Articles requiring attention. -- P64 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
For encyclopedia priorities, WBF rankings by Placing Points (PP) seem to me more useful than by Master Points (MP). (Martel and Stansby are the most important "red links" who rank higher by PP. See the table.) WBF once provided a list of WGM ranked by PP, or provided a sortable list. I haven't seen that for more than a year.
Here are the top twenty by PP, as incorporated in the ranking by MP, if I skim correctly.
MPrank | PPtotal | |
---|---|---|
7 | 108 | Bob Hamman |
864 | 75 | Benito Garozzo |
1354 | 71 | Giorgio Belladonna |
175 | 70 | Bobby Wolff |
6 | 60 | Jeff Meckstroth |
8 | 59 | Eric Rodwell |
3855 | 58 | Pietro Forquet |
4 | 50 | Lorenzo Lauria |
5 | 45 | Alfredo Versace |
60 | 44 | Paul Soloway |
Those top ten do not include the three leaders by Master Points. | ||
40 | 41 | Gabriel Chagas |
33 | 41 | Lew Stansby |
27 | 41 | Chip Martel |
3 | 41 | Giorgio Duboin |
10 | 37 | Nick Nickell |
1 | 37 | Fulvio Fantoni |
3856 | 36 | Camillo Pabis Ticci |
77 | 35 | Marcelo Branco |
2 | 35 | Claudio Nunes |
11 | 33 | Norberto Bocchi |
Those top twenty do not include #9 by Master Points (Zia). |
This is not correct. For example, the longtime partners of Belladonna and Pabis Ticci, Walter Avarelli and Massimo D'Alelio do not appear.
By the way, the WBF preface to its Grand Master lists says "List correct as of 6 October 2010." Reference to the Open list and to "International record for Bauke MULLER". World Bridge Federation. shows that his listing is up to date 30 October 2011 at least, covering the October 2011 Bermuda Bowl. -- P64 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
On the Women side, the longtime partners Fritzi Gordon and Rixi Markus do not appear on the WBF list [1]. Among the top ten as listed, we have only a stub for #7 and an article for #9. The top five by PP are Jill Meyers, Sabine Auken (Zenkel), Lynn Deas, Catherine D'Ovidio (Saul), and Irina Levitina. -- P64 ( talk) 22:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Rjeng2000, I do not intend to take over. I made a few changes including a suggestive lead sentence (see Edit history). This is interesting to me, and I pursued the Placing Points so far as you see above. For now it lives only on this Talk page and I leave to whether it goes in this article somehow.
Finally I noticed your mention of citation trouble and I fixed the references using {{
reflist}} which I prefer. I am not certain about <references group="groupname" />
but I guess it is something you copied from the manual(?) and group="groupname"
represents a variable that you should omit because you have no named group. Using the template with a group named "groupname", the code should be {{reflist|group="groupname"}}
--but "groupname" is a poor group name and quotation marks are redundant. --
P64 (
talk)
21:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The reader needs to know how up to date the list is, so the introduction needs to say something like "This is a list of the top 30 players in the world as at 4 December 2011 according to placing points and WBF Master Points." (Where the italics indicates my suggested addition.) To keep this list reasonably current is going to require frequent updating of the article and thus a long-term commitment from someone. JH ( talk page) 22:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
interjection: Oops!, I have corrected your username above. And I have put colons in this Talk code, which progressively indent the display for readability. -- P64 ( talk) 22:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
( talk)
When the table was first constructed, it had a column for "Title" which I deleted and instead added the statement "All are World Grand Masters" because at the time that was all there was on the list. Going forward, instead of complicating the text, I propose putting the "Title" column back in when there is a player who has a different title than World Grand Master; till then, leave as is. Newwhist ( talk) 12:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I have started to make a page for the people on the WBF open ranking list such as Lorenzo Lauria. Rjeng2000 ( talk) 21:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
WBF has not updated what is available online --no change in data we retrieved October 2012. I revised the page to make that clear and provide some context.
This is a puzzle to me. The conclusion is evident by reference to our page history; I expected to find that someone had revised the table without change in the prose or the formal reference that provide late 2012 dates, but that is not so.
Online WBF player records do include subsequent tournaments, from 11th European Champions' Cup (Nov 2012) to 12th European Champions' Cup (Nov 2013) taking for example WBF: Fulvio Fantoni.
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Creator User:Rjeng2000 elsewhere suggested that some number of WBF Open leaders should have biographies here. The red links in this list would prompt the biographies.
For bridge people redlinks, see especially the List of contract bridge people and "New Article Nominations" at WP:WPCB#Articles requiring attention. -- P64 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
For encyclopedia priorities, WBF rankings by Placing Points (PP) seem to me more useful than by Master Points (MP). (Martel and Stansby are the most important "red links" who rank higher by PP. See the table.) WBF once provided a list of WGM ranked by PP, or provided a sortable list. I haven't seen that for more than a year.
Here are the top twenty by PP, as incorporated in the ranking by MP, if I skim correctly.
MPrank | PPtotal | |
---|---|---|
7 | 108 | Bob Hamman |
864 | 75 | Benito Garozzo |
1354 | 71 | Giorgio Belladonna |
175 | 70 | Bobby Wolff |
6 | 60 | Jeff Meckstroth |
8 | 59 | Eric Rodwell |
3855 | 58 | Pietro Forquet |
4 | 50 | Lorenzo Lauria |
5 | 45 | Alfredo Versace |
60 | 44 | Paul Soloway |
Those top ten do not include the three leaders by Master Points. | ||
40 | 41 | Gabriel Chagas |
33 | 41 | Lew Stansby |
27 | 41 | Chip Martel |
3 | 41 | Giorgio Duboin |
10 | 37 | Nick Nickell |
1 | 37 | Fulvio Fantoni |
3856 | 36 | Camillo Pabis Ticci |
77 | 35 | Marcelo Branco |
2 | 35 | Claudio Nunes |
11 | 33 | Norberto Bocchi |
Those top twenty do not include #9 by Master Points (Zia). |
This is not correct. For example, the longtime partners of Belladonna and Pabis Ticci, Walter Avarelli and Massimo D'Alelio do not appear.
By the way, the WBF preface to its Grand Master lists says "List correct as of 6 October 2010." Reference to the Open list and to "International record for Bauke MULLER". World Bridge Federation. shows that his listing is up to date 30 October 2011 at least, covering the October 2011 Bermuda Bowl. -- P64 ( talk) 21:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
On the Women side, the longtime partners Fritzi Gordon and Rixi Markus do not appear on the WBF list [1]. Among the top ten as listed, we have only a stub for #7 and an article for #9. The top five by PP are Jill Meyers, Sabine Auken (Zenkel), Lynn Deas, Catherine D'Ovidio (Saul), and Irina Levitina. -- P64 ( talk) 22:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Rjeng2000, I do not intend to take over. I made a few changes including a suggestive lead sentence (see Edit history). This is interesting to me, and I pursued the Placing Points so far as you see above. For now it lives only on this Talk page and I leave to whether it goes in this article somehow.
Finally I noticed your mention of citation trouble and I fixed the references using {{
reflist}} which I prefer. I am not certain about <references group="groupname" />
but I guess it is something you copied from the manual(?) and group="groupname"
represents a variable that you should omit because you have no named group. Using the template with a group named "groupname", the code should be {{reflist|group="groupname"}}
--but "groupname" is a poor group name and quotation marks are redundant. --
P64 (
talk)
21:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The reader needs to know how up to date the list is, so the introduction needs to say something like "This is a list of the top 30 players in the world as at 4 December 2011 according to placing points and WBF Master Points." (Where the italics indicates my suggested addition.) To keep this list reasonably current is going to require frequent updating of the article and thus a long-term commitment from someone. JH ( talk page) 22:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
interjection: Oops!, I have corrected your username above. And I have put colons in this Talk code, which progressively indent the display for readability. -- P64 ( talk) 22:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
( talk)
When the table was first constructed, it had a column for "Title" which I deleted and instead added the statement "All are World Grand Masters" because at the time that was all there was on the list. Going forward, instead of complicating the text, I propose putting the "Title" column back in when there is a player who has a different title than World Grand Master; till then, leave as is. Newwhist ( talk) 12:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I have started to make a page for the people on the WBF open ranking list such as Lorenzo Lauria. Rjeng2000 ( talk) 21:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
WBF has not updated what is available online --no change in data we retrieved October 2012. I revised the page to make that clear and provide some context.
This is a puzzle to me. The conclusion is evident by reference to our page history; I expected to find that someone had revised the table without change in the prose or the formal reference that provide late 2012 dates, but that is not so.
Online WBF player records do include subsequent tournaments, from 11th European Champions' Cup (Nov 2012) to 12th European Champions' Cup (Nov 2013) taking for example WBF: Fulvio Fantoni.