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Hi CrystelHadley, I see you are working on this page which is great. I just have a bit of a concern, I don't know what your plans are with this page, but be careful that you are not doubling up with information that is already on other related pages, namely on sanitation and open defecation for example. Shouldn't this page focus in particular on WASH as a "sector", and perhaps spending on WASH and monitoring spending (eThekwini declarations for example) rather than trying to analyse the sanitation crisis per se? For example what is put there under "solutions" is just a snippet and there is so much more to it. But I am just not sure if this is the right page to expand on it? Maybe it is, I am not sure. But I would probably focus it more on issues of interlinking water, sanitation and hygiene - perhaps something about the historical develpment of the WASH sector, who are the key players etc. Perhaps we should link to the pages about Water_Supply_and_Sanitation_Collaborative_Council and Sustainable Sanitation Alliance, too? EvM-Susana ( talk) 21:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I see your point. Happy for you to take in the direction you proposed.I added the sections to try to give some order to the various snippets that people had added here, but if you think they're not helpful, feel free to change it. CrystelHadley ( talk) 20:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I think the sections on failed projects are probably better re-arranged by country (and then in chronological or in reverse chronological order) rather than by year. Then it would also make sense to show the countries in the table of contents. The year is quite arbitrary, as it's just the year of the publication, not the year in which the project was started or finished. What do you think, Rtpadge and SusanMDavis? Another option could be to present it as a table format, but perhaps that's too much effort. EvM-Susana ( talk) 21:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I've just put the following on the talk page of the new user who added content about WASH in Schools: "You have added a large chunk of text without stating where it comes from (you only provided one reference - is the rest of the text copied from the same reference? Direct copying is not encouraged. It might also be a bit too long. I will put the same also on the talk page of the WASH article. Please connect with us there. The content that you've added will need to be referenced better or might have to be trimmed down. " I think it's a good idea to have a section about WASH in Schools but it should cite several sources and be written in an encyclopedia way, not in a promotional or awareness raising type of way? EvMsmile ( talk) 06:10, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
To User:DGG: You have added the tag of "advert" on this page. Can you please explain on the talk page why? Please point out which statements you object to. I did quite a bit of writing for that article, so I would appreciate your feedback, rather than just being lumped with the tag "advert". Thanks a lot. EvMsmile ( talk) 11:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I have just deleted this sentence as it was changed wrongly from how it was before: Failures "in qualified human resources and in management and organization techniques, including a failure to capture community interest", are considered to be primary obstacles in the use and maintenance of improved water and sanitation systems in addition to the limits and quality of the currently available technologies. The sentence before had said: the main obstacle in the use and maintenance of improved water and sanitation systems is not the quality of technology, but the failure “in qualified human resources and in management and organization techniques, including a failure to capture community interest”
This is not quite the same... The original sentence was actually copied from this website: http://reliefweb.int/report/world/horses-and-water-anyone-learning-evaluations-wash-programs
There a reference of Nieves (1980) is quoted but I couldn't find that reference.
Perhaps someone wants to dig deeper into this and add some good up to date content to the page. EvMsmile ( talk) 21:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
If someone has time, you can use these 4 reports as references for the WASH in Schools section: http://www.wateraid.org/what-we-do/our-approach/research-and-publications/view-publication?id=8851e0b6-7a36-4102-8630-4555130e750d EMsmile ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
The lead needs a more current reference for the very last sentence. can anyone add the updated numbers? PlanetCare ( talk) 15:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
References
User:WishWash has added a new section on evidence which is great. However, we need to be a bit careful that we don't write it like a literature review... Some of the wording is difficult to understand for a layperson, including myself (and I am not even a layperson on this topic). It might help if you wikilink important terms, like "randomised controlled trials". Also some statements are lacking a reference. We need to carefull decide how much detail we want to provide here, how many different studies and examples to cite. It might be better if we focused on a few overarching studies or conclusions, if they exist. - For comparison, take a look at how it's done on the article for mass deworming. EMsmile ( talk) 10:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
We are not meant to have the same sub-headings in different parts of the article. At the moment we have twice "Problems" and "Solutions" (once for the schools and once for the healthcare settings). I can't remember exactly why not but I was told this is not good Wikipedia style. I am trying to come up with a way to solve this. Any ideas? EMsmile ( talk) 23:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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I have just moved the entire text of Water supply and women in developing countries into this article here. There is now some work to do to restructure things so that we don't have redundancies and the content appears in the right places. I will work on that in the coming days (if anyone can help, please do). EMsmile ( talk) 03:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
There is a new WHO publication from 2019 on WASH and health which is very relevant here: https://www.susana.org/en/knowledge-hub/resources-and-publications/library/details/3744 (Johnston, R., Prüss-Ustün, A., Wolf, J. (2019). Safer Water, Better Health. World Health Organization (WHO), Geneva, Switzerland). I am planning to take some health information from there but I am unsure how to do so to avoid dublication: we have health content also in the articles on sanitation, Waterborne diseases. We need to somehow define one central place where we talk about diseases stemming from lack of WASH and then refer to it from the other places. Thoughts, User:Doc James? EMsmile ( talk) 04:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I am suggesting to merge the article Water issues in developing countries to here as I see a lot of overlap between the two articles. I think it would enrich WASH nicely. That other article has 25 kB (3979 words) "readable prose size", WASH has 30 kB (4561 words) "readable prose size". So a merged article would be a bit long, but I think there is content that can be culled/compressed. EMsmile ( talk) 04:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I have some suggestions regarding further work to improve this article:
I plan to add new content on climate-resilient WASH, drawing for example on the resources by the REACH project, see here: https://reachwater.org.uk/resources/ . Over time, this will probably be developed into a spin-off article. EMsmile ( talk) 09:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hi User:Boghog, I have a question about this edit where you changed the formatting of references (with a bot, I assume)? I am just trying to understand what is the reasoning here. I use the route cite > add a citation > automatic (and then add the DOI, URL or ISBN). Is that automatic tool regarded out of date? EMsmile ( talk) 07:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
|vauthors=
parameter is that it enforces a consistent style of citation formatting. |last=
, |first=
will accept anything including full first names, first name initials with or without periods, with or without a space between first and middle name, and complete "!@#$*&%^" gibberish. |vauthors=
will throw an error if the name does not completely conform to the Vancouver system. In addition, I was manually templating a signficant number of untemplated web citations in this article that included authors. Manuall templating of authors with the |vauthors=
is a lot easier. No problem with overwriting my formatting references. You are adding a lot of vaulable content which take precidence over formatting. That said, if you prefer |last=
, |first=
, I will add those back.
Boghog (
talk) 15:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
A new report has come out, with the headline: "Half of health care facilities globally lack basic hygiene services – WHO, UNICEF". See here. This information should be added to this article (I just don't have time at the moment to do it myself). EMsmile ( talk) 08:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
This article is now on the long side: Prose size (text only): 52 kB (7892 words) "readable prose size". Does anyone have suggestions for where content could be culled or condensed or moved to an existing (or new) sub-article? I've done a little bit of culling today, trying to remove repetitive content, "development cooperation speech", or superfluous detail. EMsmile ( talk) 10:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi CrystelHadley, I see you are working on this page which is great. I just have a bit of a concern, I don't know what your plans are with this page, but be careful that you are not doubling up with information that is already on other related pages, namely on sanitation and open defecation for example. Shouldn't this page focus in particular on WASH as a "sector", and perhaps spending on WASH and monitoring spending (eThekwini declarations for example) rather than trying to analyse the sanitation crisis per se? For example what is put there under "solutions" is just a snippet and there is so much more to it. But I am just not sure if this is the right page to expand on it? Maybe it is, I am not sure. But I would probably focus it more on issues of interlinking water, sanitation and hygiene - perhaps something about the historical develpment of the WASH sector, who are the key players etc. Perhaps we should link to the pages about Water_Supply_and_Sanitation_Collaborative_Council and Sustainable Sanitation Alliance, too? EvM-Susana ( talk) 21:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I see your point. Happy for you to take in the direction you proposed.I added the sections to try to give some order to the various snippets that people had added here, but if you think they're not helpful, feel free to change it. CrystelHadley ( talk) 20:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I think the sections on failed projects are probably better re-arranged by country (and then in chronological or in reverse chronological order) rather than by year. Then it would also make sense to show the countries in the table of contents. The year is quite arbitrary, as it's just the year of the publication, not the year in which the project was started or finished. What do you think, Rtpadge and SusanMDavis? Another option could be to present it as a table format, but perhaps that's too much effort. EvM-Susana ( talk) 21:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I've just put the following on the talk page of the new user who added content about WASH in Schools: "You have added a large chunk of text without stating where it comes from (you only provided one reference - is the rest of the text copied from the same reference? Direct copying is not encouraged. It might also be a bit too long. I will put the same also on the talk page of the WASH article. Please connect with us there. The content that you've added will need to be referenced better or might have to be trimmed down. " I think it's a good idea to have a section about WASH in Schools but it should cite several sources and be written in an encyclopedia way, not in a promotional or awareness raising type of way? EvMsmile ( talk) 06:10, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
To User:DGG: You have added the tag of "advert" on this page. Can you please explain on the talk page why? Please point out which statements you object to. I did quite a bit of writing for that article, so I would appreciate your feedback, rather than just being lumped with the tag "advert". Thanks a lot. EvMsmile ( talk) 11:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I have just deleted this sentence as it was changed wrongly from how it was before: Failures "in qualified human resources and in management and organization techniques, including a failure to capture community interest", are considered to be primary obstacles in the use and maintenance of improved water and sanitation systems in addition to the limits and quality of the currently available technologies. The sentence before had said: the main obstacle in the use and maintenance of improved water and sanitation systems is not the quality of technology, but the failure “in qualified human resources and in management and organization techniques, including a failure to capture community interest”
This is not quite the same... The original sentence was actually copied from this website: http://reliefweb.int/report/world/horses-and-water-anyone-learning-evaluations-wash-programs
There a reference of Nieves (1980) is quoted but I couldn't find that reference.
Perhaps someone wants to dig deeper into this and add some good up to date content to the page. EvMsmile ( talk) 21:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
If someone has time, you can use these 4 reports as references for the WASH in Schools section: http://www.wateraid.org/what-we-do/our-approach/research-and-publications/view-publication?id=8851e0b6-7a36-4102-8630-4555130e750d EMsmile ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
The lead needs a more current reference for the very last sentence. can anyone add the updated numbers? PlanetCare ( talk) 15:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
References
User:WishWash has added a new section on evidence which is great. However, we need to be a bit careful that we don't write it like a literature review... Some of the wording is difficult to understand for a layperson, including myself (and I am not even a layperson on this topic). It might help if you wikilink important terms, like "randomised controlled trials". Also some statements are lacking a reference. We need to carefull decide how much detail we want to provide here, how many different studies and examples to cite. It might be better if we focused on a few overarching studies or conclusions, if they exist. - For comparison, take a look at how it's done on the article for mass deworming. EMsmile ( talk) 10:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
We are not meant to have the same sub-headings in different parts of the article. At the moment we have twice "Problems" and "Solutions" (once for the schools and once for the healthcare settings). I can't remember exactly why not but I was told this is not good Wikipedia style. I am trying to come up with a way to solve this. Any ideas? EMsmile ( talk) 23:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 12:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I have just moved the entire text of Water supply and women in developing countries into this article here. There is now some work to do to restructure things so that we don't have redundancies and the content appears in the right places. I will work on that in the coming days (if anyone can help, please do). EMsmile ( talk) 03:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
There is a new WHO publication from 2019 on WASH and health which is very relevant here: https://www.susana.org/en/knowledge-hub/resources-and-publications/library/details/3744 (Johnston, R., Prüss-Ustün, A., Wolf, J. (2019). Safer Water, Better Health. World Health Organization (WHO), Geneva, Switzerland). I am planning to take some health information from there but I am unsure how to do so to avoid dublication: we have health content also in the articles on sanitation, Waterborne diseases. We need to somehow define one central place where we talk about diseases stemming from lack of WASH and then refer to it from the other places. Thoughts, User:Doc James? EMsmile ( talk) 04:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I am suggesting to merge the article Water issues in developing countries to here as I see a lot of overlap between the two articles. I think it would enrich WASH nicely. That other article has 25 kB (3979 words) "readable prose size", WASH has 30 kB (4561 words) "readable prose size". So a merged article would be a bit long, but I think there is content that can be culled/compressed. EMsmile ( talk) 04:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I have some suggestions regarding further work to improve this article:
I plan to add new content on climate-resilient WASH, drawing for example on the resources by the REACH project, see here: https://reachwater.org.uk/resources/ . Over time, this will probably be developed into a spin-off article. EMsmile ( talk) 09:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 March 2022 and 3 June 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Cmoliva14 (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Sandro1324,
SarHasUCSC,
Wildgooseontheloose.
— Assignment last updated by Wildgooseontheloose ( talk) 23:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi User:Boghog, I have a question about this edit where you changed the formatting of references (with a bot, I assume)? I am just trying to understand what is the reasoning here. I use the route cite > add a citation > automatic (and then add the DOI, URL or ISBN). Is that automatic tool regarded out of date? EMsmile ( talk) 07:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
|vauthors=
parameter is that it enforces a consistent style of citation formatting. |last=
, |first=
will accept anything including full first names, first name initials with or without periods, with or without a space between first and middle name, and complete "!@#$*&%^" gibberish. |vauthors=
will throw an error if the name does not completely conform to the Vancouver system. In addition, I was manually templating a signficant number of untemplated web citations in this article that included authors. Manuall templating of authors with the |vauthors=
is a lot easier. No problem with overwriting my formatting references. You are adding a lot of vaulable content which take precidence over formatting. That said, if you prefer |last=
, |first=
, I will add those back.
Boghog (
talk) 15:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
A new report has come out, with the headline: "Half of health care facilities globally lack basic hygiene services – WHO, UNICEF". See here. This information should be added to this article (I just don't have time at the moment to do it myself). EMsmile ( talk) 08:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
This article is now on the long side: Prose size (text only): 52 kB (7892 words) "readable prose size". Does anyone have suggestions for where content could be culled or condensed or moved to an existing (or new) sub-article? I've done a little bit of culling today, trying to remove repetitive content, "development cooperation speech", or superfluous detail. EMsmile ( talk) 10:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)