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Is there any info about his reconciliation with the church after his first excommunication.
Is there info on the book "Praise to the Man"?
Are they any known photos of him?
Adding info about reconciliation
76.27.83.192 (
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02:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The current article says he got a Book of Mormon from Pratt on 9 Apr 1830, yet Pratt wasn't introduced to the church until about Sept 1830. —Preceding
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01:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't see Phelps anywhere in Assistant President of the Church nor Chronology of the First Presidency (LDS Church). Can someone clarify for me what "He was an assistant president of the church in Missouri, scribe to .." and "...counselor to David Whitmer in the presidency.." means. "Assistant President of the Church" and "Counselor in the presidency" are general authority position that, as far as I can see, Phelps nor David Whitmer ever held. However, I notice the capitalization and addition of "in Missouri", so perhaps I just don't understand the position these two statements are making..-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 16:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I am confused about his excommunication date(s). The Joseph Smith Papers summary of WWP says he was excommunicated on March 17, 1838, based on JS History, vol. C-1, 899. http://josephsmithpapers.org/person/william-wines-phelps But the Alexander Baugh 1998 article says that after the March 10, 1838 meeting Phelps was considered "no longer a member of the Church of Christ", but later there was a reconciliation, followed by another falling out, which resulted in WWP being excommunicated by the Twelve at a council in Quincy on March 17, 1839. Baugh cites HC 3:283–84. The JSP do not say anything about a 1839 excommunication. The identical "March 17" dates for two different years is a red flag that there is a mistake somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Befubashi ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The first excommunication was March 10, 1838, as seen in JSP:
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minute-book-2/110
The second was March 17, 1839, as seen in History of the Church, Vol. 3, Chapter 20.
The text of the article as it stands is erroneous in using March 17 for both instances.
-- RockRockOn ( talk) 09:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Again, calling him "assistant president of the church in Missouri" is extremely misleading. Only people with deep understanding of Latter Day Saint history understand what it really meant by that term. As this issue has been tagged as "[clarification needed]" since December of 2011, it should be fixed soon or removed.
There is a huge difference between the " Assistant President of the Church" position and Phelps's position. The way it is read now, it suggest that Phelps's held a position in the First Presidency, not unlike Oliver Cowdery, Hyrum Smith and John C. Bennett, which he did not.
According to statements above by Good Ol’factory, this position was more like stake presidency or area presidency in Missouri. Simply changing the following would make it much clearer:
He was an assistant president of the church in Missouri (analogous to a modern stake president), scribe to Joseph Smith, Jr., and a church printer, editor, and song-writer
However, I do not know which one (stake presidency or area presidency). If that is determined, I will fix it.--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 18:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- He was a printer, editor, song-writer, scribe to Joseph Smith, Jr., and assistant president of the church in Missouri (analogous to a modern stake or Area president, but with more more intrinsic authority and autonomy).
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This link is the page which describes Phelps's reconfirmation as a member of the church, but two days prior (as the article text states) I see nothing.
Pointers?
-- RockRockOn ( talk) 18:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I recommend moving the page to W. W. Phelps (Latter Day Saints) in keeping with convention on Wikipedia. Pending any objections I will make the change. Epachamo ( talk) 01:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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Is there any info about his reconciliation with the church after his first excommunication.
Is there info on the book "Praise to the Man"?
Are they any known photos of him?
Adding info about reconciliation
76.27.83.192 (
talk)
02:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The current article says he got a Book of Mormon from Pratt on 9 Apr 1830, yet Pratt wasn't introduced to the church until about Sept 1830. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
68.33.148.124 (
talk)
01:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't see Phelps anywhere in Assistant President of the Church nor Chronology of the First Presidency (LDS Church). Can someone clarify for me what "He was an assistant president of the church in Missouri, scribe to .." and "...counselor to David Whitmer in the presidency.." means. "Assistant President of the Church" and "Counselor in the presidency" are general authority position that, as far as I can see, Phelps nor David Whitmer ever held. However, I notice the capitalization and addition of "in Missouri", so perhaps I just don't understand the position these two statements are making..-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 16:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I am confused about his excommunication date(s). The Joseph Smith Papers summary of WWP says he was excommunicated on March 17, 1838, based on JS History, vol. C-1, 899. http://josephsmithpapers.org/person/william-wines-phelps But the Alexander Baugh 1998 article says that after the March 10, 1838 meeting Phelps was considered "no longer a member of the Church of Christ", but later there was a reconciliation, followed by another falling out, which resulted in WWP being excommunicated by the Twelve at a council in Quincy on March 17, 1839. Baugh cites HC 3:283–84. The JSP do not say anything about a 1839 excommunication. The identical "March 17" dates for two different years is a red flag that there is a mistake somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Befubashi ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The first excommunication was March 10, 1838, as seen in JSP:
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minute-book-2/110
The second was March 17, 1839, as seen in History of the Church, Vol. 3, Chapter 20.
The text of the article as it stands is erroneous in using March 17 for both instances.
-- RockRockOn ( talk) 09:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Again, calling him "assistant president of the church in Missouri" is extremely misleading. Only people with deep understanding of Latter Day Saint history understand what it really meant by that term. As this issue has been tagged as "[clarification needed]" since December of 2011, it should be fixed soon or removed.
There is a huge difference between the " Assistant President of the Church" position and Phelps's position. The way it is read now, it suggest that Phelps's held a position in the First Presidency, not unlike Oliver Cowdery, Hyrum Smith and John C. Bennett, which he did not.
According to statements above by Good Ol’factory, this position was more like stake presidency or area presidency in Missouri. Simply changing the following would make it much clearer:
He was an assistant president of the church in Missouri (analogous to a modern stake president), scribe to Joseph Smith, Jr., and a church printer, editor, and song-writer
However, I do not know which one (stake presidency or area presidency). If that is determined, I will fix it.--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 18:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- He was a printer, editor, song-writer, scribe to Joseph Smith, Jr., and assistant president of the church in Missouri (analogous to a modern stake or Area president, but with more more intrinsic authority and autonomy).
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The link for the Historical Department Journal is broken, it can now be found here: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets?id=5f3e87b2-b0a0-4033-82a5-8698f11200d7&crate=0&index=24
This link is the page which describes Phelps's reconfirmation as a member of the church, but two days prior (as the article text states) I see nothing.
Pointers?
-- RockRockOn ( talk) 18:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I recommend moving the page to W. W. Phelps (Latter Day Saints) in keeping with convention on Wikipedia. Pending any objections I will make the change. Epachamo ( talk) 01:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)