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Is this really noteworthy enough for an encyclopaedia article? Lots of people have pubs named after them. If it stays, it may need to be reworded to emphasise a re-assessment of Stead's impact/importance etc. Farrtj ( talk) 18:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Since its inception the Northern Echo has been titled "The Northern Echo". Should it therefore remain titled as the "Darlington Northern Echo" in the article? I know that overseas "The Times" is often referred to as "The Times of London", so perhaps a case can be made that using the Darlington prefix is informative. Perhaps "The Northern Echo of Darlington"? Farrtj ( talk) 15:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Darlington was named in general to avoid confusion with the London "Echo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.108.138.87 ( talk) 13:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea what "He made a feature of the Pall Mall extras..." might mean. Also, the article is full of lavish, unsourced praise of his brilliance - which seems inappropriate. KD Tries Again ( talk) 15:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)KD Tries Again
The lead of this article claimed that Stead was 'the most famous passenger on RMS Titanic'. While he obviously was very well-known, 'the most famous' is potentially contentious - there were plenty of other famous names on that ship, like John Jacob Astor IV. I've changed it to 'among the most famous passengers', unless anyone can provide a source to support the original statement. Robofish ( talk) 12:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
This cites the faulty source for justification of an error. The article attributes all Stead research to itself. Further, my corrections of three errors in the article have been deleted.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grace Eckley ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Much of the article is sourced to this website, the W.T. Stead Resource Site. Is there any reason to believwe that it is a reliable source? Cusop Dingle ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The clause "employing Ada Goodrich Freer as assistant editor" with a citation to a book by Trevor Hall, was deleted. Why? In general one does not remove well-sourced material without explanation, per WP:BRD. Cusop Dingle ( talk) 20:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
(←) I have expanded the material about Freer to include the fact that Stead claimed to have a telepathic connection with her that allowed him to communicate with her at a distance by automatic writing. There are several reliable sources for this, which seems to me to be sufficiently significant in his life to be worthy of mention. Cusop Dingle ( talk) 12:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
All public figures are controversial to some extent, however, I would say that William T Stead was one of the most across-the-political-spectrum appreciated public figures of his time. According to Tuchmann's book he was appreciated by people from super-imperialist Cecil Rhodes to social democrat Lady Warwick. His filantropic endeavours and his efforts at the peace conferences won much admiration. The first part of the article calls Stead controversial but there is very little in the article which shows anything but appreciation. I have read the reference to William Stead resource site, but I do not see any real support there for calling him controversial, much less "one of the most controversial figures of the Victorian era". If no one can convince me otherwise, I will change "controversial" to "famous".
Sensemaker
The article currently says, "his successful demonstration of the trade's existence". He didn't actually demonstrate anything of the kind; he faked its existence. The entire article was in that sense a fraud. I'm not sure what wording would be better, but it's factually wrong to assert that he had demonstrated the existence of the said trade. 82.71.30.178 ( talk) 19:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
This section really needs to be rewritten or deleted, as there is already a separate Wikipedia article on the Eliza Armstrong case. The most immediate problem is that the section conflates "Maiden Tribute" and the Eliza Armstrong case as if the Maiden Tribute articles talk about Eliza. They do not. At least my copy of the articles says nothing about Armstrong. That case is covered in a separate article: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Armstrong_Case/zyJLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=William+thomas+Stead&printsec=frontcover -- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC) If you think that the Maiden Tribute articles say something about Armstrong, please provide a reference to the source you are using. All these primary sources are in public domain, and they are on Google Books. No need to make stuff up. -- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)-- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
I've merged the W.T. Stead Resource Site article into this article, as it did not seem to independently meet the notability criteria. -- The Anome ( talk) 09:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
John Jobson the father of Isabelle Stead nee Jobson was born in Northumberlend not Yorkshire. No source cited. -- ChrisNewman1959 ( talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
I came across his name in a Swedish newspaper (1896), mentioning that 'Mr. Stead' delivered on his idea of a kind of rational adoption "market", transferring many children from burdened mothers to childless couples. I think it's a noteworthy thing. https://tidningar.kb.se/8264855/1896-06-04/edition/154238/part/1/page/4/?q=gl%C3%B6dtr%C3%A5d&freeonly=1&sort=asc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.137.72 ( talk) 21:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Is this really noteworthy enough for an encyclopaedia article? Lots of people have pubs named after them. If it stays, it may need to be reworded to emphasise a re-assessment of Stead's impact/importance etc. Farrtj ( talk) 18:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Since its inception the Northern Echo has been titled "The Northern Echo". Should it therefore remain titled as the "Darlington Northern Echo" in the article? I know that overseas "The Times" is often referred to as "The Times of London", so perhaps a case can be made that using the Darlington prefix is informative. Perhaps "The Northern Echo of Darlington"? Farrtj ( talk) 15:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Darlington was named in general to avoid confusion with the London "Echo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.108.138.87 ( talk) 13:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea what "He made a feature of the Pall Mall extras..." might mean. Also, the article is full of lavish, unsourced praise of his brilliance - which seems inappropriate. KD Tries Again ( talk) 15:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)KD Tries Again
The lead of this article claimed that Stead was 'the most famous passenger on RMS Titanic'. While he obviously was very well-known, 'the most famous' is potentially contentious - there were plenty of other famous names on that ship, like John Jacob Astor IV. I've changed it to 'among the most famous passengers', unless anyone can provide a source to support the original statement. Robofish ( talk) 12:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
This cites the faulty source for justification of an error. The article attributes all Stead research to itself. Further, my corrections of three errors in the article have been deleted.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grace Eckley ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Much of the article is sourced to this website, the W.T. Stead Resource Site. Is there any reason to believwe that it is a reliable source? Cusop Dingle ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The clause "employing Ada Goodrich Freer as assistant editor" with a citation to a book by Trevor Hall, was deleted. Why? In general one does not remove well-sourced material without explanation, per WP:BRD. Cusop Dingle ( talk) 20:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
(←) I have expanded the material about Freer to include the fact that Stead claimed to have a telepathic connection with her that allowed him to communicate with her at a distance by automatic writing. There are several reliable sources for this, which seems to me to be sufficiently significant in his life to be worthy of mention. Cusop Dingle ( talk) 12:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
All public figures are controversial to some extent, however, I would say that William T Stead was one of the most across-the-political-spectrum appreciated public figures of his time. According to Tuchmann's book he was appreciated by people from super-imperialist Cecil Rhodes to social democrat Lady Warwick. His filantropic endeavours and his efforts at the peace conferences won much admiration. The first part of the article calls Stead controversial but there is very little in the article which shows anything but appreciation. I have read the reference to William Stead resource site, but I do not see any real support there for calling him controversial, much less "one of the most controversial figures of the Victorian era". If no one can convince me otherwise, I will change "controversial" to "famous".
Sensemaker
The article currently says, "his successful demonstration of the trade's existence". He didn't actually demonstrate anything of the kind; he faked its existence. The entire article was in that sense a fraud. I'm not sure what wording would be better, but it's factually wrong to assert that he had demonstrated the existence of the said trade. 82.71.30.178 ( talk) 19:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
This section really needs to be rewritten or deleted, as there is already a separate Wikipedia article on the Eliza Armstrong case. The most immediate problem is that the section conflates "Maiden Tribute" and the Eliza Armstrong case as if the Maiden Tribute articles talk about Eliza. They do not. At least my copy of the articles says nothing about Armstrong. That case is covered in a separate article: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Armstrong_Case/zyJLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=William+thomas+Stead&printsec=frontcover -- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC) If you think that the Maiden Tribute articles say something about Armstrong, please provide a reference to the source you are using. All these primary sources are in public domain, and they are on Google Books. No need to make stuff up. -- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)-- Literaturegirl ( talk) 18:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
I've merged the W.T. Stead Resource Site article into this article, as it did not seem to independently meet the notability criteria. -- The Anome ( talk) 09:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
John Jobson the father of Isabelle Stead nee Jobson was born in Northumberlend not Yorkshire. No source cited. -- ChrisNewman1959 ( talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
I came across his name in a Swedish newspaper (1896), mentioning that 'Mr. Stead' delivered on his idea of a kind of rational adoption "market", transferring many children from burdened mothers to childless couples. I think it's a noteworthy thing. https://tidningar.kb.se/8264855/1896-06-04/edition/154238/part/1/page/4/?q=gl%C3%B6dtr%C3%A5d&freeonly=1&sort=asc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.137.72 ( talk) 21:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)