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Reference the correction of "Collins's"
Although there is no universally accepted rule of thumb governing the formation of the positive case of names which end in "s", the most accepted practice would seem to be not just to place an apostrophe at the end of the word but to add another "s" - Mr Jones's coat, St. James's Street; not Mr Jones' coat, St. James' Street.
According to the American Heritage® Book of English Usage online it depends on whether it is pronounced "Coll-ins" and spelled Collins' or pronounced "Coll-ins-es" and then spelled Collins's. Personally I am one of those they mention that always spell s'. Rmhermen 21:24, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
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Please can we use the spelling 'jail'? I know there is some talk about the nativity of spellings and subjects being in agreement, but 'gaol' is no longer current in any english dialect. It is irrelevant whether or not early 20th century Hiberno-English had 'gaol'.
Sure enough Wilde's 'Ballad of Reading Gaol' should remain as such, but articles written this day should have spellings of this day and not of yesterday. All other paths shall lead to an absurdity of spellings. - stet 20:51, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
It is still widely used in Hiberno-English and as such belongs in relevant articles. You may not use it. Many, including historians do. It is also officially used in preference to jail (which is seen as 'cowboy American') in the official name of some prisons. FearÉIREANN 21:11, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Wiki policy is not to enforce uniformity in english but to accept variations in english usage. Gaol is in use. The Irish Indo was talking about the the bin protests. It uses gaol when writing of Collins and the War of Independence and in other contexts. I know from personal experience, I write freelance for it, its sister paper the Sunday Independent, the Irish Times, the Irish Examiner, the Sunday Times and other newspapers. FearÉIREANN 18:47, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I've moved the page to its correct location. His name may technically be William T. Cosgrave but he very rarely called that. He was invariably called W.T. (the joke at the time was that even his wife didn't know what the W stood for!). A small minority of those close to him called him Willie but William T was not a widely used version. It is exactly the same as with
John A. Costello who was almost always called John A or by those close to him Jack but never ever John Costello (which is where, at one stage, his page was put on Wikipedia. FearÉIREANN
(talk) 02:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have added a {{Citation needed}} tag to the last para of the section on W.T.'s Legacy. The reported comments by DeV to his son Viv are significant, but are hard to rely on unless sourced. -- BrownHairedGirl 11:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
W.T. Cosgrave → W. T. Cosgrave – Naming conventions - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 15:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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W.T. Cosgrave, with no space between the W. and the T. ?
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What is the star and riband being worn in this picture? Is it something papal? Opera hat ( talk) 20:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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Reference the correction of "Collins's"
Although there is no universally accepted rule of thumb governing the formation of the positive case of names which end in "s", the most accepted practice would seem to be not just to place an apostrophe at the end of the word but to add another "s" - Mr Jones's coat, St. James's Street; not Mr Jones' coat, St. James' Street.
According to the American Heritage® Book of English Usage online it depends on whether it is pronounced "Coll-ins" and spelled Collins' or pronounced "Coll-ins-es" and then spelled Collins's. Personally I am one of those they mention that always spell s'. Rmhermen 21:24, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
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Please can we use the spelling 'jail'? I know there is some talk about the nativity of spellings and subjects being in agreement, but 'gaol' is no longer current in any english dialect. It is irrelevant whether or not early 20th century Hiberno-English had 'gaol'.
Sure enough Wilde's 'Ballad of Reading Gaol' should remain as such, but articles written this day should have spellings of this day and not of yesterday. All other paths shall lead to an absurdity of spellings. - stet 20:51, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
It is still widely used in Hiberno-English and as such belongs in relevant articles. You may not use it. Many, including historians do. It is also officially used in preference to jail (which is seen as 'cowboy American') in the official name of some prisons. FearÉIREANN 21:11, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Wiki policy is not to enforce uniformity in english but to accept variations in english usage. Gaol is in use. The Irish Indo was talking about the the bin protests. It uses gaol when writing of Collins and the War of Independence and in other contexts. I know from personal experience, I write freelance for it, its sister paper the Sunday Independent, the Irish Times, the Irish Examiner, the Sunday Times and other newspapers. FearÉIREANN 18:47, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I've moved the page to its correct location. His name may technically be William T. Cosgrave but he very rarely called that. He was invariably called W.T. (the joke at the time was that even his wife didn't know what the W stood for!). A small minority of those close to him called him Willie but William T was not a widely used version. It is exactly the same as with
John A. Costello who was almost always called John A or by those close to him Jack but never ever John Costello (which is where, at one stage, his page was put on Wikipedia. FearÉIREANN
(talk) 02:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have added a {{Citation needed}} tag to the last para of the section on W.T.'s Legacy. The reported comments by DeV to his son Viv are significant, but are hard to rely on unless sourced. -- BrownHairedGirl 11:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
W.T. Cosgrave → W. T. Cosgrave – Naming conventions - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 15:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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Can we move the article back to
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Ian Cheese (
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15:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
What is the star and riband being worn in this picture? Is it something papal? Opera hat ( talk) 20:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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This reads too much like a hagiography of the man. A more objective view should be taken of his record in Government. 195.195.218.133 ( talk) 20:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)