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Below are the top 20 weta citations (Scopus), they may be of some use in expanding the article. Onco_p53 19:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Wallis, G.P., Morgan-Richards, M., Trewick, S.A.
Phylogeographical pattern correlates with Pliocene mountain building in the alpine scree weta (Orthoptera, Anostostomatidae)
(2000) Molecular Ecology, 9 (6), Pages 657-666. Cited 36 times.
Leader, J.
Freezing tolerance of the New Zealand alpine weta, Hemideina maori Hutton [Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae]
(1992) Journal of Thermal Biology, 17 (1), Pages 51-54. Cited 30 times.
King, T.M., Wallis, G.P., Hamilton, S.A., Fraser, J.R.
Identification of a hybrid zone between distinctive colour variants of the alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae) on the Rock and Pillar range, southern New Zealand
(1996) Molecular Ecology, 5 (4), Pages 583-587. Cited 22 times.
Ramløv, H.
Microclimate and variations in haemolymph composition in the freezing-tolerant New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori Hutton (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1999) Journal of Comparative Physiology - B Biochemical, Systemic, and Environmental Physiology, 169 (3), Pages 224-235. Cited 19 times.
Sinclair, B.J., Worland, M.R., Wharton, D.A.
Ice nucleation and freezing tolerance in New Zealand alpine and lowland weta, Hemideina spp. (Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae)
(1999) Physiological Entomology, 24 (1), Pages 56-63. Cited 19 times.
Ramløv, H., Wharton, D.A., Wilson, P.W.
Recrystallization in a freezing tolerant antarctic nematode, Panagrolaimus davidi, and an alpine weta, Hemideina maori (Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae)
(1996) Cryobiology, 33 (6), Pages 607-613. Cited 14 times.
Gwynne, D.T., Jamieson, I.
Sexual selection and sexual dimorphism in a harem-polygynous insect, the alpine weta (Hemideina maori, Orthoptera Stenopelmatidae)
(1998) Ethology Ecology and Evolution, 10 (4), Pages 393-402. Cited 13 times.
Neufeld, D.S., Leader, J.P.
Electrochemical characteristics of ion secretion in Malpighian tubules of the New Zealand Alpine Weta (Hemideina maori)
(1998) Journal of Insect Physiology, 44 (1), Pages 39-48. Cited 13 times.
Trewick, S.A., Morgan-Richards, M.
On the distribution of tree weta in the North Island, New Zealand
(1995) Journal - Royal Society of New Zealand, 25 (4), Pages 485-493. Cited 13 times.
Jamieson, I.G., Forbes, M.R., McKnight, E.B.
Mark-recapture study of mountain stone weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Anostostomatidae) on rock tor 'islands'
(2000) New Zealand Journal of Ecology, 24 (2), Pages 209-214. Cited 12 times.
Morgan-Richards, M.
Intraspecific karyotype variation is not concordant with allozyme variation in the Auckland tree weta of New Zealand, Hemideina thoracica (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1997) Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 60 (4), Pages 423-442. Cited 10 times.
Koning, J.W., Jamieson, I.G.
Variation in size of male weaponry in a harem-defence polygynous insect, the mountain stone weta hemideina maori (orthoptera: Anostostomatidae)
(2001) New Zealand Journal of Zoology, 28 (1), Pages 109-117. Cited 9 times.
Sinclair, B.J., Wharton, D.A.
Avoidance of intracellular freezing by the freezing-tolerant New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1997) Journal of Insect Physiology, 43 (7), Pages 621-625. Cited 9 times.
Ball, E.E., Field, L.H.
Structure of the auditory system of the weta Hemideina crassidens (Blanchard, 1851) (Orthoptera, Ensifera, Gryllacridoidea, Stenopelmatidae) 1. Morphology and histology
(1981) Cell and Tissue Research, 217 (2), Pages 321-344. Cited 9 times.
Jamieson, I.G.
The relationship between male head size and harem size in the sexually dimorphic mountain stone weta Hemideina maori
(2002) Ecological Entomology, 27 (1), Pages 41-48. Cited 8 times.
Neufeld, D.S., Leader, J.P.
Freezing survival by isolated Malpighian tubules of the new zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori
(1998) Journal of Experimental Biology, 201 (2), Pages 227-236. Cited 8 times.
Morgan-Richards, M., Gibbs, G.W.
Colour, allozyme and karyotype variation show little concordance in the New Zealand Giant Scree Weta Deinacrida connectens (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1996) Hereditas, 125 (2-3), Pages 265-276. Cited 7 times.
Wilson, P., Ramlov, H.
Hemolymph ice nucleating proteins from the New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1995) Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology - B Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 112 (3), Pages 535-542. Cited 7 times.
Robb, T., Forbes, M.R., Jamieson, I.G.
Greater cuticular melanism is not associated with greater immunogenic response in adults of the polymorphic mountain stone weta, Hemideina maori
(2003) Ecological Entomology, 28 (6), Pages 738-746. Cited 6 times.
Under Weta#Danger it says that weta do not "pose a risk of stinging or biting people", which I interpret as meaning they do not bite, but several sources on the web say that they do bite. If the intent of that sentence is that the bite is not dangerous, then perhaps it should be reworded.- gadfium 02:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
What areas are in need of expansion? Could you also mark whether it is scientific or not? While I would like to contribute as part of the NZcollab, I don't really have much to add at the moment. -- Midnight tonight 04:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this is a minor point, but when should we write Weta with a capital W? The conventions described here and here suggest that this might be appropriate for the names of specific species, such as the Poor Knights Giant Weta, but it should not be done for weta in general (or groups of several species such as cave weta). Any thoughts? -- Avenue 12:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
How about a nod to weta workshops? Richard 09:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
For these reasons :
Change "mopoke" back to "morepork". I just googled and it seems that "mopoke" is a word used more in Australia and not really in New Zealand although it does refer to the same or a very similar species. Actually if we want a NZ term for the morepork we could use "ruru." Mona-Lynn 20:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Really? For attacking sheep? Don't have weta and kea confused at all? Some reference to the source for this would be _fantastic_. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.144.44 ( talk • contribs)
The opening line states The weta family comprises around 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago., surely it should read something like The weta are two families that comprise around 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago.? Or something like that? Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
How fast can a weta move? Slowly, I hope - they're scary enough as it is!
I deleted this section which appears to derive from a joke page about wētā. It wouldn't be practical to boil wētā carapaces for days to make food pouches for a journey. A lot of work when a simple flax container could be woven in a matter of seconds. Kahuroa 11:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Having been born and lived in NZ for the first 20 years of my life, I had seen many wetas there and assumed they were only to be found in NZ. Imagine my surprise when I saw one in Western Australia. They cant be too common here - only ever seen the one. 203.49.183.67 20:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)Merlin
In New Zealand most of us believe that the Weta commonly encountered in gardens can bite where as it thought that cave and other less common varieties of Weta are harmless. Although I didn't witness this personally, many years ago my father was bitten by a weta - it took a tiny chunk out of his finger.
A taxobox would be of great help. I'm not sure I know the group well enough to add it. -- Aranae 08:23, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
Nowhere is it "previously mentioned" that wetas live in arctic wastelands. Not sure what direction to take that edit in, since I know nothing about wetas or arctic wastelands... just removed the offending bit for now. -- Ccreitz 23:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the inclusion of an external link to what appears to be a commercial site - the photos are for sale. Kahuroa ( talk) 05:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
all, or at least the first, reference to a taxon should be referenced not only to a publication but also to any record in WIKISPECIES, and, vice versa, to those adding data to WIKISPECIES might consider referencing this page. Orthopts ( talk) 01:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Orthopts
Any information on how long these buggusses live? I'd imagine they take a while to get so big. -- Cheers, Erik Anderson 207.118.46.178 ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
According to DoC, there are five species of Weta, not the four we have here. Indeed DoC have a lot of info on them. -- Midnight tonight 08:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Numbers of species/Applicability of name Weta
According to the article's opening sentence, Weta is the name applied to about 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago. However further down we are told there are 11 species of giant weta, seven species of tree weta, about 40 species of ground weta in New Zealand (and several very similar ones in Australia), sixty species of cave weta.
Now, 11+7+40+60 = 118, not 70. So are the numbers for classifications "giant", tree" etc. still referring only to species in NZ? If so, the arithmetic does not add up! If not, on the other hand, there is a lot to do on setting out how many of each of those classifications are NZ species and how many are only found elsewhere. There also needs to be a clarification of whether the article
Also, why "sixty" not "60" if it's "11" & "40"?
Iph ( talk) 19:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I have reworked the intro to give the international English plural of "wetas", referenced from several sources.
Additionally, I removed the mention that "similar species occur around the world" as this is off topic to this particular article. (There are "similar species" somewhere to most species.) And I moved the mention of New Zealand companies named after the insect to a "Popular Culture" section at the bottom.
I can't actually find any New Zealand dictionary online that lists the word with "weta" as plural, and I'm not sure that this is standard even in New Zealand -- rather than being part of the aggressive "Maori linguistic nationalism" that plagues Wikipedia whenever a New Zealand subject is covered. But I have left this claim in -- with a "citation needed" tag -- to avoid a potential edit war.
Likewise I have left the word Māori with its macron, even though this is a foreign-language version of the English word Maori (spelled and pronounced differently). We do say "French" not "Français".
I remind all editors that Wikipedia must objectively report the existing state of affairs in the world, and may not be used to advance agendas of how things should be, in the opinion of an editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.27.138 ( talk) 05:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Below are the top 20 weta citations (Scopus), they may be of some use in expanding the article. Onco_p53 19:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Wallis, G.P., Morgan-Richards, M., Trewick, S.A.
Phylogeographical pattern correlates with Pliocene mountain building in the alpine scree weta (Orthoptera, Anostostomatidae)
(2000) Molecular Ecology, 9 (6), Pages 657-666. Cited 36 times.
Leader, J.
Freezing tolerance of the New Zealand alpine weta, Hemideina maori Hutton [Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae]
(1992) Journal of Thermal Biology, 17 (1), Pages 51-54. Cited 30 times.
King, T.M., Wallis, G.P., Hamilton, S.A., Fraser, J.R.
Identification of a hybrid zone between distinctive colour variants of the alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae) on the Rock and Pillar range, southern New Zealand
(1996) Molecular Ecology, 5 (4), Pages 583-587. Cited 22 times.
Ramløv, H.
Microclimate and variations in haemolymph composition in the freezing-tolerant New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori Hutton (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1999) Journal of Comparative Physiology - B Biochemical, Systemic, and Environmental Physiology, 169 (3), Pages 224-235. Cited 19 times.
Sinclair, B.J., Worland, M.R., Wharton, D.A.
Ice nucleation and freezing tolerance in New Zealand alpine and lowland weta, Hemideina spp. (Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae)
(1999) Physiological Entomology, 24 (1), Pages 56-63. Cited 19 times.
Ramløv, H., Wharton, D.A., Wilson, P.W.
Recrystallization in a freezing tolerant antarctic nematode, Panagrolaimus davidi, and an alpine weta, Hemideina maori (Orthoptera; Stenopelmatidae)
(1996) Cryobiology, 33 (6), Pages 607-613. Cited 14 times.
Gwynne, D.T., Jamieson, I.
Sexual selection and sexual dimorphism in a harem-polygynous insect, the alpine weta (Hemideina maori, Orthoptera Stenopelmatidae)
(1998) Ethology Ecology and Evolution, 10 (4), Pages 393-402. Cited 13 times.
Neufeld, D.S., Leader, J.P.
Electrochemical characteristics of ion secretion in Malpighian tubules of the New Zealand Alpine Weta (Hemideina maori)
(1998) Journal of Insect Physiology, 44 (1), Pages 39-48. Cited 13 times.
Trewick, S.A., Morgan-Richards, M.
On the distribution of tree weta in the North Island, New Zealand
(1995) Journal - Royal Society of New Zealand, 25 (4), Pages 485-493. Cited 13 times.
Jamieson, I.G., Forbes, M.R., McKnight, E.B.
Mark-recapture study of mountain stone weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Anostostomatidae) on rock tor 'islands'
(2000) New Zealand Journal of Ecology, 24 (2), Pages 209-214. Cited 12 times.
Morgan-Richards, M.
Intraspecific karyotype variation is not concordant with allozyme variation in the Auckland tree weta of New Zealand, Hemideina thoracica (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1997) Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 60 (4), Pages 423-442. Cited 10 times.
Koning, J.W., Jamieson, I.G.
Variation in size of male weaponry in a harem-defence polygynous insect, the mountain stone weta hemideina maori (orthoptera: Anostostomatidae)
(2001) New Zealand Journal of Zoology, 28 (1), Pages 109-117. Cited 9 times.
Sinclair, B.J., Wharton, D.A.
Avoidance of intracellular freezing by the freezing-tolerant New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1997) Journal of Insect Physiology, 43 (7), Pages 621-625. Cited 9 times.
Ball, E.E., Field, L.H.
Structure of the auditory system of the weta Hemideina crassidens (Blanchard, 1851) (Orthoptera, Ensifera, Gryllacridoidea, Stenopelmatidae) 1. Morphology and histology
(1981) Cell and Tissue Research, 217 (2), Pages 321-344. Cited 9 times.
Jamieson, I.G.
The relationship between male head size and harem size in the sexually dimorphic mountain stone weta Hemideina maori
(2002) Ecological Entomology, 27 (1), Pages 41-48. Cited 8 times.
Neufeld, D.S., Leader, J.P.
Freezing survival by isolated Malpighian tubules of the new zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori
(1998) Journal of Experimental Biology, 201 (2), Pages 227-236. Cited 8 times.
Morgan-Richards, M., Gibbs, G.W.
Colour, allozyme and karyotype variation show little concordance in the New Zealand Giant Scree Weta Deinacrida connectens (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1996) Hereditas, 125 (2-3), Pages 265-276. Cited 7 times.
Wilson, P., Ramlov, H.
Hemolymph ice nucleating proteins from the New Zealand alpine weta Hemideina maori (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)
(1995) Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology - B Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 112 (3), Pages 535-542. Cited 7 times.
Robb, T., Forbes, M.R., Jamieson, I.G.
Greater cuticular melanism is not associated with greater immunogenic response in adults of the polymorphic mountain stone weta, Hemideina maori
(2003) Ecological Entomology, 28 (6), Pages 738-746. Cited 6 times.
Under Weta#Danger it says that weta do not "pose a risk of stinging or biting people", which I interpret as meaning they do not bite, but several sources on the web say that they do bite. If the intent of that sentence is that the bite is not dangerous, then perhaps it should be reworded.- gadfium 02:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
What areas are in need of expansion? Could you also mark whether it is scientific or not? While I would like to contribute as part of the NZcollab, I don't really have much to add at the moment. -- Midnight tonight 04:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this is a minor point, but when should we write Weta with a capital W? The conventions described here and here suggest that this might be appropriate for the names of specific species, such as the Poor Knights Giant Weta, but it should not be done for weta in general (or groups of several species such as cave weta). Any thoughts? -- Avenue 12:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
How about a nod to weta workshops? Richard 09:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
For these reasons :
Change "mopoke" back to "morepork". I just googled and it seems that "mopoke" is a word used more in Australia and not really in New Zealand although it does refer to the same or a very similar species. Actually if we want a NZ term for the morepork we could use "ruru." Mona-Lynn 20:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Really? For attacking sheep? Don't have weta and kea confused at all? Some reference to the source for this would be _fantastic_. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.144.44 ( talk • contribs)
The opening line states The weta family comprises around 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago., surely it should read something like The weta are two families that comprise around 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago.? Or something like that? Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
How fast can a weta move? Slowly, I hope - they're scary enough as it is!
I deleted this section which appears to derive from a joke page about wētā. It wouldn't be practical to boil wētā carapaces for days to make food pouches for a journey. A lot of work when a simple flax container could be woven in a matter of seconds. Kahuroa 11:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Having been born and lived in NZ for the first 20 years of my life, I had seen many wetas there and assumed they were only to be found in NZ. Imagine my surprise when I saw one in Western Australia. They cant be too common here - only ever seen the one. 203.49.183.67 20:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)Merlin
In New Zealand most of us believe that the Weta commonly encountered in gardens can bite where as it thought that cave and other less common varieties of Weta are harmless. Although I didn't witness this personally, many years ago my father was bitten by a weta - it took a tiny chunk out of his finger.
A taxobox would be of great help. I'm not sure I know the group well enough to add it. -- Aranae 08:23, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
Nowhere is it "previously mentioned" that wetas live in arctic wastelands. Not sure what direction to take that edit in, since I know nothing about wetas or arctic wastelands... just removed the offending bit for now. -- Ccreitz 23:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the inclusion of an external link to what appears to be a commercial site - the photos are for sale. Kahuroa ( talk) 05:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
all, or at least the first, reference to a taxon should be referenced not only to a publication but also to any record in WIKISPECIES, and, vice versa, to those adding data to WIKISPECIES might consider referencing this page. Orthopts ( talk) 01:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Orthopts
Any information on how long these buggusses live? I'd imagine they take a while to get so big. -- Cheers, Erik Anderson 207.118.46.178 ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
According to DoC, there are five species of Weta, not the four we have here. Indeed DoC have a lot of info on them. -- Midnight tonight 08:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Numbers of species/Applicability of name Weta
According to the article's opening sentence, Weta is the name applied to about 70 insect species endemic to the New Zealand archipelago. However further down we are told there are 11 species of giant weta, seven species of tree weta, about 40 species of ground weta in New Zealand (and several very similar ones in Australia), sixty species of cave weta.
Now, 11+7+40+60 = 118, not 70. So are the numbers for classifications "giant", tree" etc. still referring only to species in NZ? If so, the arithmetic does not add up! If not, on the other hand, there is a lot to do on setting out how many of each of those classifications are NZ species and how many are only found elsewhere. There also needs to be a clarification of whether the article
Also, why "sixty" not "60" if it's "11" & "40"?
Iph ( talk) 19:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I have reworked the intro to give the international English plural of "wetas", referenced from several sources.
Additionally, I removed the mention that "similar species occur around the world" as this is off topic to this particular article. (There are "similar species" somewhere to most species.) And I moved the mention of New Zealand companies named after the insect to a "Popular Culture" section at the bottom.
I can't actually find any New Zealand dictionary online that lists the word with "weta" as plural, and I'm not sure that this is standard even in New Zealand -- rather than being part of the aggressive "Maori linguistic nationalism" that plagues Wikipedia whenever a New Zealand subject is covered. But I have left this claim in -- with a "citation needed" tag -- to avoid a potential edit war.
Likewise I have left the word Māori with its macron, even though this is a foreign-language version of the English word Maori (spelled and pronounced differently). We do say "French" not "Français".
I remind all editors that Wikipedia must objectively report the existing state of affairs in the world, and may not be used to advance agendas of how things should be, in the opinion of an editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.27.138 ( talk) 05:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)