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This seems a good article, one that, with some work, could become GA / FA rated. Any thoughts on improvement? Sjcodysseus 21:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a mention of this in the aticle - the one of the men waving the James Caird off, entitled The Departure of the James Caird from Elephant Island in Worsley's book Endurance, of which Hurley at some stage doctored the negative, removing one of the two boats in the image and then presented it as The Rescue, purporting to show the rescue boat arriving at Elephant Island? It's mentioned in Caroline Alexanders book, page 202. Great article BTW 86.147.162.92 ( talk) 13:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
The link for Stromness links to Stromness, Scotland not Stromness, South Georgia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.50.243 ( talk) 17:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I have reverted your recent additions to the article for two reasons. First, it is not good manners to insert prose into articles without first raising the matter here, on the talkpage. Otherwise (as I said to you before in connection with a different page) an article can become cluttered with trivial facts which destroy its balance and its quality. Any suggestions for additional information will be welcome here, but please act within a consensus. Secondly, YouTube is not a reliable or scholarly source as is required for all of Wikipedia's featured articles. Brianboulton ( talk) 18:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reliable source speculation that the very large wave they encountered may have been a specimen of the recently identified phenomenon of a rouge wave?
This article " Unplanned epics - Bligh's and Shackleton's small-boat voyages" by Carol Fowle talks about a "freak wave bearing down on them – the worst [Shackleton had] seen in 26 years at sea", but is that specific enough to link it to the Wikipedia article? -- PBS ( talk) 19:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The article said that the boat was moved to the care of the National Maritime Museam after the war. While that is true, it was certainly at the College in the 60's (as was I), displayed in a niche in the Baths/music complex. The College's own website says it was removed in 1967. I changed the text; the note already there at the end of the next sentence is the source. David Brooks ( talk) 18:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a lot of time to fully document my objections right now since I have literally minutes before I need to leave for work. However, off the top of my head:
What "the voyage" is there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.176.210 ( talk) 07:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
There are three whaling stations on the west side of Stromness Bay. In his hike across South Georgia, I assume Shackleton was heading for whichever one he could reach, not one in particular. On his hand-drawn "Rough Memory Map" on page 206 of South he indicates that his hike ended at the middle of the three stations, which he labels Husvik. However on modern maps the middle station is Stromness, and Husvik is the one to the south of there, which Shackleton labels as Stromness. When he got to the station, he knew to ask for Mr. Sorlle, the station manager, so he must have known which station he was in, but he doesn't name it in his narrative. So which one was it, Stromness or Husvik? They are separated by a mountainous peninsula, so it had to be one or the other, not both.
The middle one, Stromness on modern maps, looks like it would be the easiest to reach on foot from the west.
HowardMorland ( talk) 07:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
"A better option was to head for Deception Island, at the western end of the South Sandwich chain... However, reaching it would also involve a journey against the prevailing winds—though in less open seas—with ultimately no certainty when or if rescue would arrive... This would mean a much longer boat journey, of 800 nautical miles (1,500 km; 920 mi) across the Southern Ocean, in conditions of rapidly approaching winter, but with the help of following winds it appeared feasible."
I'm confused, did they mainly follow the wind or sail against it? The paragraph above seems to suggest both. I don't know anything about sailing, so forgive me if this is a dumb question. Kaldari ( talk) 02:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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Page 162 of Endurance: an epic of polar adventure - Worsley, Frank Arthur does not mention the 500 steamer sunk in the storm off of South Georgia Island. 119.92.203.135 ( talk) 09:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
If you expand the photo you will see in the upper left the Yelcho. The photo is of the rescue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.89.81 ( talk) 15:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The three boats carried by Endurance were primarily ship's boats. Endurance was going to a place with no harbour and needed boats to ferry men and supplies ashore. This is the classic work of a ship's boat of the era. The boats may have been legally lifeboats, as to keep the Board of Trade happy, they were fitted with the requisite buoyancy tanks. But for the article to describe them as such is highly misleading.
Shackleton and Worsley in their own accounts of events simply talk about them as "boats". When the boats were put on the ice as Endurance started to sink, the buoyancy tanks were removed to give more room for everything that had to be carried - so legally they ceased to be lifeboats at that point anyway. Typical of ship's boats (as opposed to lifeboats) they were not of uniform size, with the James Caird being larger.
It is wrong to describe the James Caird as being a stronger boat. She was deliberately built more lightly than the other two boats on the orders of Worsley. That may be why she had her keel strengthened with a mast from one of the other boats.
All of the above can be confirmed from the accounts of both Shackleton and Worsley. See:
Railing, Christopher, ed. (1983). Shackleton, His Antarctic Writings. London: BBC. ISBN 0 563 20084 7
and:
Worsley, Frank Arthur (1999). Endurance : an epic of polar adventure. New York: Norton. ISBN 978-0393319941
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The James Caird was displayed at the London Boat Show in January 1994 whilst the "In the Wake of Shackleton expedition" was taking place. The James Caird Society was formed after the successful completion of this expedition by Trevor Potts and 3 others who successfully sailed a James Caird replica (same size, hull shape and similar sailing rig) from Elephant Island to South Georgia. This expedition was not supported by an escort ship like subsequent re-sailings of the boat journey. They made first land fall on 5th January 1994 (the anniversary of Shackleton's death) at Elsehull and eventually sailed along the South Georgia coast into Stromness where they re-traced some of Shackleton's mountain crossing. 87.115.6.28 ( talk) 21:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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This seems a good article, one that, with some work, could become GA / FA rated. Any thoughts on improvement? Sjcodysseus 21:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a mention of this in the aticle - the one of the men waving the James Caird off, entitled The Departure of the James Caird from Elephant Island in Worsley's book Endurance, of which Hurley at some stage doctored the negative, removing one of the two boats in the image and then presented it as The Rescue, purporting to show the rescue boat arriving at Elephant Island? It's mentioned in Caroline Alexanders book, page 202. Great article BTW 86.147.162.92 ( talk) 13:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
The link for Stromness links to Stromness, Scotland not Stromness, South Georgia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.50.243 ( talk) 17:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I have reverted your recent additions to the article for two reasons. First, it is not good manners to insert prose into articles without first raising the matter here, on the talkpage. Otherwise (as I said to you before in connection with a different page) an article can become cluttered with trivial facts which destroy its balance and its quality. Any suggestions for additional information will be welcome here, but please act within a consensus. Secondly, YouTube is not a reliable or scholarly source as is required for all of Wikipedia's featured articles. Brianboulton ( talk) 18:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reliable source speculation that the very large wave they encountered may have been a specimen of the recently identified phenomenon of a rouge wave?
This article " Unplanned epics - Bligh's and Shackleton's small-boat voyages" by Carol Fowle talks about a "freak wave bearing down on them – the worst [Shackleton had] seen in 26 years at sea", but is that specific enough to link it to the Wikipedia article? -- PBS ( talk) 19:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The article said that the boat was moved to the care of the National Maritime Museam after the war. While that is true, it was certainly at the College in the 60's (as was I), displayed in a niche in the Baths/music complex. The College's own website says it was removed in 1967. I changed the text; the note already there at the end of the next sentence is the source. David Brooks ( talk) 18:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a lot of time to fully document my objections right now since I have literally minutes before I need to leave for work. However, off the top of my head:
What "the voyage" is there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.176.210 ( talk) 07:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
There are three whaling stations on the west side of Stromness Bay. In his hike across South Georgia, I assume Shackleton was heading for whichever one he could reach, not one in particular. On his hand-drawn "Rough Memory Map" on page 206 of South he indicates that his hike ended at the middle of the three stations, which he labels Husvik. However on modern maps the middle station is Stromness, and Husvik is the one to the south of there, which Shackleton labels as Stromness. When he got to the station, he knew to ask for Mr. Sorlle, the station manager, so he must have known which station he was in, but he doesn't name it in his narrative. So which one was it, Stromness or Husvik? They are separated by a mountainous peninsula, so it had to be one or the other, not both.
The middle one, Stromness on modern maps, looks like it would be the easiest to reach on foot from the west.
HowardMorland ( talk) 07:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
"A better option was to head for Deception Island, at the western end of the South Sandwich chain... However, reaching it would also involve a journey against the prevailing winds—though in less open seas—with ultimately no certainty when or if rescue would arrive... This would mean a much longer boat journey, of 800 nautical miles (1,500 km; 920 mi) across the Southern Ocean, in conditions of rapidly approaching winter, but with the help of following winds it appeared feasible."
I'm confused, did they mainly follow the wind or sail against it? The paragraph above seems to suggest both. I don't know anything about sailing, so forgive me if this is a dumb question. Kaldari ( talk) 02:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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Page 162 of Endurance: an epic of polar adventure - Worsley, Frank Arthur does not mention the 500 steamer sunk in the storm off of South Georgia Island. 119.92.203.135 ( talk) 09:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
If you expand the photo you will see in the upper left the Yelcho. The photo is of the rescue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.89.81 ( talk) 15:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The three boats carried by Endurance were primarily ship's boats. Endurance was going to a place with no harbour and needed boats to ferry men and supplies ashore. This is the classic work of a ship's boat of the era. The boats may have been legally lifeboats, as to keep the Board of Trade happy, they were fitted with the requisite buoyancy tanks. But for the article to describe them as such is highly misleading.
Shackleton and Worsley in their own accounts of events simply talk about them as "boats". When the boats were put on the ice as Endurance started to sink, the buoyancy tanks were removed to give more room for everything that had to be carried - so legally they ceased to be lifeboats at that point anyway. Typical of ship's boats (as opposed to lifeboats) they were not of uniform size, with the James Caird being larger.
It is wrong to describe the James Caird as being a stronger boat. She was deliberately built more lightly than the other two boats on the orders of Worsley. That may be why she had her keel strengthened with a mast from one of the other boats.
All of the above can be confirmed from the accounts of both Shackleton and Worsley. See:
Railing, Christopher, ed. (1983). Shackleton, His Antarctic Writings. London: BBC. ISBN 0 563 20084 7
and:
Worsley, Frank Arthur (1999). Endurance : an epic of polar adventure. New York: Norton. ISBN 978-0393319941
ThoughtIdRetired (
talk)
22:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
The James Caird was displayed at the London Boat Show in January 1994 whilst the "In the Wake of Shackleton expedition" was taking place. The James Caird Society was formed after the successful completion of this expedition by Trevor Potts and 3 others who successfully sailed a James Caird replica (same size, hull shape and similar sailing rig) from Elephant Island to South Georgia. This expedition was not supported by an escort ship like subsequent re-sailings of the boat journey. They made first land fall on 5th January 1994 (the anniversary of Shackleton's death) at Elsehull and eventually sailed along the South Georgia coast into Stromness where they re-traced some of Shackleton's mountain crossing. 87.115.6.28 ( talk) 21:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)