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Yuk. Do we need a picture of vomit? Dysprosia 09:11, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The picture was Image:Erbrochenes.jpg, for those arriving too late to see it. Marnanel 21:28, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
How about this picture, which has been circulating online for at least 8 years. It illustrates the topic very well, IMO. Bronwyn18 20:24, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This picture isn't so disturbing because it is so obvious what the substance is. Bronwyn18 01:08, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Actually I think the picture should go inline. This is an article about vomiting, not bunnies and butterflies. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 23:08, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but "they" just keep being "upset." The link should solve the problem. Glen Larson
I put it back inline with the default size thumbnail. I do not support suppressing images behind a link; this image is no big deal. — Davenbelle 23:34, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
OK, agreed, leave the thumb photo in. Glen Larson
These should be added to the bottom of the article.
I am placing these here for review, modification, and inclusion by qualified medical or emergency personnel. They seem to me to be a necessary and desirable inclusion to the article, but I do not feel qualified to post these from a medical standpoint. These recommendations are only based on reading and personal experience (I have not vomited in a very long time, thankfully). Leonard G. 04:17, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As noted above, vomiting can occur as a physical response to an emotional situation, for example seeing the consequences of a gory accident. It is part of a general shock reaction, usually preceded by a "cold sweat" and a loss of peripheral blood flow leading (in fair skinned people) to a pallor (the skin, especially in the face, will turn from pink to white. In these cases there is no particular benefit to vomiting (as is the case with food poisoning, excessive intake of alcohol, etc.) It may be possible to arrest the vomiting reflex by sitting on a low chair or object and placing the head between the knees. If you are assisting another person in this state, place your hand lightly on the back and ask them to push up - as they push up, resist this motion. Smelling salts (specially prepared ampules of ammonia) may be briefly passed under the nose of the victim as they inhale.
There are two problems related to the act vomiting, one only an inconvenience, the other potentially life threatening. Both of these are controllable by an aware and alert vomiter:
It is the potential inhalation of vomit that is the reason behind the recommendation that a person who has ingested petroleum products and certain other materials not be induced to vomit, as such materials may be very damaging to the lungs. They should instead have their stomachs pumped out by qualified medical personel.
It is important that breathing be properly timed by the vomiter. It is not possible to breath during the moment of expulsion and there may be only brief periods in which to breath between convulsions, if the moment of first vomit can be predicted, it is best to have a good blood oxygen level and a good amount of air in the lungs. With lots of air in the lungs, any vomit that enters the trachea (windpipe) may be expelled by coughing.
"Some adult birds regurgitate food to feed their young, triggered by a feather or a beak of their young. The food can be either incompletely digested or partially predigested, depending on the species. Some bird species may also use regurgitation as a form of defense, vomiting when wounded or molested. When an intruder or a predator comes near a fulmar on its nest, the bird vomits oil up to 3 feet at the enemy."
I call it barfing.- 12hernn
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how do we know the picture is in public domain? what proof do we have? if there is not proof provided within 48 hours of this post, i will remove the image from this article. if that image is a private image, wikipedia could get sued. Kingturtle 02:09, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The uploader made a declaration that the image is in the public domain. I presume it was her own. It is the normal practise in these circumstances to take the word of the uploader unless there is good reason to doubt it.
May I ask King Turtle why he's so keen to remove a picture of vomiting from an article about vomiting? -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 02:28, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't really think it matters whether some fetishist might find this picture interesting for their own reasons, it's a very good picture of a woman vomiting. I discussed the situation re copyright claims above. Find the site and verify the ownership, and you'll have demonstrated that the image is not public domain. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 02:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's quite possible that Bronwen is a vomit fetishist. You may not like the idea of fetish images, you may even find them degrading, but in this instance they're pretty good illustrations of the subject matter of the article. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 03:14, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well, she's vomiting. Apart from the obvious, are you attaching some special meaning to the word "degrading" here? -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 03:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think you've got a point, there. HOwever I think it's somewhat tangential to the question of whether this is a good illustration of vomiting. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 04:05, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
1. Bronwyn18 may be either male or female. The user uploded two images, on two seperate days, and had made a post on this page - the talk page not in the article. Kingturtle deleted them from this page as a personal view. Bronwyn18 has been absent since then. Censorship may be the problem here. Users leave when their contributions are deleted.
2. This is an article about vomiting. The value of a photo is not disputed. A better photo may be nice, but we do not have one to date. Most people do not like vomiting, in themselves or others. I did not know about this Emetophilia and fetish stuff! Regardless, an image does add to the article.
3. An interpretation of the photo has been advance, although I do not see that from the pose or clothing. I, as a health care worker, have delt with those in the club scene having consumed to much vomiting in this pose, and wearing this type of clothing. Anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa are serious problems. I can not tell from the photo the weight of the individual, but I don't think it is to far out of the norm. Although there is no hard and fast rules and this may be but simple points for discussion on a serious problem, but often vomiting is found with the binge bulimia nervosa who wants to prevent additional weight gain, with an already weight problem. Anorexia nervosa has the individual aready starving in a thin state, and the related muscle loss, and vomiting is rarer.
There are a number of methods for those that do not like the immage to deal with the problem and their questions or concerns. Take it to that forum.
Continued deletion may requre the page to be protected. Glenlarson 06:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Glenlarson, I have serious issues with this accusation. This women is hopefully still alive. If she did not consent to the image she can (and WILL) sue Wikipedia for defamation. UNLESS this is recorded, placing this image is unethical and unwise. Just keep the ***** c-word to yourself and discuss the issues, rather than bleating. JFW | T@lk 21:04, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The first section currently ends in a sentence stating Nausea usually, but not always and not necessarily, precedes vomiting.
I find this to be ambiguous between the meanings "If you feel nausea, this is usually (but not always) a precursor to vomitting" and "People who vomit usually (but not always) feel nausea previously". I'm not sure which meaning is intended, but I think the sentence should be clarified to specify one meaning unambiguously. -- pne 11:46, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The section "Other Words for Vomiting" is being continually deleted and brought back. I know who wrote it, and was just wondering what you people thought about it.
"Boking" refers to marijuana, derived from baking.
You know, I think it's absolutely repulsive that anything would even think about eating vomit. Why do birds do it anyway? Does it taste good to them? Scorpionman 15:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The photo is juvenile. The article doesn't really need a photo anyway. It should be removed. 24.20.236.188 ( talk · contribs).
Agreed, articles need image support. However, birds eating vomit in no way adds information to this article. Do people not know what vomit looks like? How in the world would birds eating vomit get an article closer to feature status? Perhaps photos are available of the related organs. Of most interest seems to be the medulla's role. Maybe a photo of that. I'll 'refrain from deleting' and see if i can find any images to add. But please, save this one for Wikipedia: Grade School.
'READER DISCRETION ADVISED :' Well, around six years ago, at my grandfather's village, his chickens ate my vomit the following morning after I threw up my noodles. :-p Gosh that place was disgusting. Sillygostly 06:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Does that actually exist? The only similar phenomenon I know of was in that episode of South Park when Cartman crapped out his mouth. That was disgusting. Scott Gall 07:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Isn't "emesis" the name of a butterfly family too? Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? cun 20:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
What does porcelain have to do with vomiting? Praying at the porcelain alter? Talking to ralph on the porcelain phone? What does this mean? Does it have something to do with porcelain toilets? I don't get it Stanley011 01:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Even a tiny drop will make you throw up withing ten minutes.
Once again their is no photo for the article. I think a tasteful picture should be found and added. Wikipedia is an online Encyclopedia, encyclopedias are for learning purposes and thus should contain an image related to the article...
Yeah, and there should be a picture of a couple having sex too.- ???
This article is difficult to read. I understand what "the chemoreceptor trigger zone which lies in the fourth ventricle" means, and I do not suggest one should try and write articles like this one without correct medical terms - but the least one can do is try and explain those terms in context. I might give it a try one of these days. // Habj 11:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
My cat vomits alot. My dad got wasted one night and was the first to break-in the new toilet seat.
Really?
There should probably be some mention of exerting conscious control over the reflex. I've been able to prevent it by a sort of biofeedback exercise with deep, slow breathing. Obviously there are many occasions where it is absolutely beneficial to go ahead and hurl, but likewise it is often desirable to prevent.
In the interests of scientific accuracy, a photo would be of benefit to those genuinely wanting information on the subject. If the subject of vomiting is available for reading in Wikipedia, why not a photo to support it? If people find the photo offensive, perhaps they should isolate themselves from day-to-day life, so that they won't be 'tainted' by such ghastly images as breast-feeding and other natural bodily functions and activities. These things should be embraced as such. I have attempted to place a personal photograph of a friend engaged in emesis in the article, only to find it repeatedly removed by someone more interested in his or her conservativness than freedom of information. Sad.
I made a silly edit summary [1]. Of course the article mentions emesis. My real problem is that vomiting alone would be an odd presentation of liver cysts - there would be many other symptoms. Too rare a cause for vomiting to list here. JFW | T@lk 01:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know exactly what causes the unique sound that often accompanies vomiting. It obviously varies, for instance, my brothers and I sound like roaring lions, but just last night I overheard my girlfriend vomiting and didn't even realize that that was what she was doing. Does anyone have any information on what produces these sounds? Am I subconciously growling from deep in my throat or are my vocal chords actually being vibrated by the retching reflex? ThePedanticPrick 15:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Could we have a treatment section like the Diarrhea article? TNTfan101 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is receiving continuous vandalism and cruftesque jargon additions. I've sprotected it, and recommend long-term protection. JFW | T@lk 22:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's commonly said that vomit always contains pieces of carrot, even when you haven't eaten carrots for days beforehand. When I think about it, my vomit always seems to have orange lumps in it. Perhaps someone who knows could add some info in here on what the orange lumps are (I assume, of course, that they aren't simply undigested carrot). Dazcha 10:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I do not see how a photograph of someone's lunch on the sidewalk is informative or contributes to the article. Per WP:IUP: "Do not upload shocking or explicit pictures, unless they have been approved by a consensus of editors for the relevant article." Seeing as the image was added to the article without discussion or consensus to support its inclusion — the last substantive discussion regarding images on this talk page is from two years ago — I will be bold and remove it. - Severa ( !!!) 08:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Whoa, a suggestion is not "telling you what to do"! Calm down, apparently you read things into my post I did not intend. Perhaps you could request clarification before becoming angry or indignant at something you may have misunderstood. KillerChihuahua ?!? 11:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Three comments and a question:
<Reduce indent> This picture does not add anything to the article. First of all, although the picture is probably vomit, it is not necessarily so. It could be fake vomit. It could be the contents of a blender. Although inspection of vomit could be used for clinical analysis (and if you watch CSI, it's used to find the guilty party), by placing a picture of a random patch of what could be anything is not very useful to the article. I looked up a copy of a Gastroenterology textbook (admittedly, one I used in medical school 30 years ago), and it did have pictures of vomit, but only for analysis. It didn't have pictures of hot dogs or anything, but how to interpret colors, bile, whatever. Now that could be useful. Right now the picture looks like a frat joke rather than an addition to what could be an interesting article. For example, I completely forgot about the vomit center. I had to look it up to make sure it was terminology that was actually used, and I was pleasantly surprised. This picture does not have to be an edit war. It's not very useful to a medical article. Not only can we do better, we can make it germane to the article. For example, the oxidize blood or coffee grounds discussion of color could use a picture. Orangemarlin 17:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Pancakes are not a universal phenomenon, so, although having a photograph in the article might seem unnecessary for people who eat them for breakfast every morning, it might not be so for readers who live in a place in which pancakes are not a part of the local cuisine. Vomitting, unlike aniridia or smallpox, is something which everyone is bound to experience at some point in their life (or see someone else experience), so illustrating it seems redundant. I don't think a persuasive argument can be made that a photograph of vomit on the street is informative or appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Content should be included in an article because it is useful, not simply because it can be included. Wikipedia is not a junkyard. An encylopaedic image for this article might an illustration of what occurs in the body during the process of vomitting, or an illustration showing the diagnostic characteristics of different types of vomit, like the one at Diarrhea. - Severa ( !!!) 04:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
While the particular image in question may not be the best availible, this is an article about vomit, and a picture of vomit would be a good idea. The most informative available picture should be included. Wikipedia is not censored. 58.153.51.248 16:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
OM, you have a medical degree, yes? So now there is an MD and a med student editing this article? This is an excellent opportunity to work towards GA. KillerChihuahua ?!? 18:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I did throw a reference tag on the article. Although well written, and from what I see fairly accurate, it is not referenced at all. This article could be GA with a little work. Orangemarlin 17:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where the words vomit & emesis come from? (I'm guessing at least one of them is from Latin.) Trcunning 16:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
After being reverted on my reinsertion of an image, I analyzed the reverter's claim of "consensus" above. I don't see this as a consensus at all. The arguments against the image are, as I understand:
There needs to be a more convincing reason if this image is to be left out. Milto LOL pia 21:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I have edited this page *3* times to add an 'other' reason for vomiting - intense exercise. It is a well-known phenomena which happens to many, many people who start an exercise program. I have even included a link to an existing Wikipedia article on the subject (exercise induced nausea). I cannot understand why editors keep removing my addition. This is the only thing I have contributed to Wikipedia and I am feeling very frustrated that my efforts are being erased without justification. Please either give a good reason for removing my edits, or leave them alone. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.119.28 ( talk) 08:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean by "You also wrote exercise induced nausea"??? Do you mean that I wrote that entry in Wikipedia? I assure you, I did not. I simply linked to it as evidence of this phenomena. I was not even aware of the exercise induced nausea wikipedia article until I did a search to try to find sources to justify my edits, which had been reverted. Also, I find it odd that such strict criteria are being used to judge my particular contribution when other reasons for vomiting ("violent emotions", "violent fits of coughing or hiccups") have no references to justify them *at all*. At least I provided a justification for my entry based on an existing Wikipedia page.
Would you like some additional evidence to make my contribution even more well-founded than other text on this page?
From http://sport.independent.co.uk/golf/article2866756.ece:
"The former Open champion John Daly had a vivid and emphatic response yesterday to Tiger Woods' sermon on the benefits of physical fitness in golf.
"Every time I worked out I threw up and I thought to myself, 'I can get drunk and throw up, I don't need to do this!'" was Daly's view of Woods' comments after he won the 13th major of his career in the USPGA Championship on Sunday."
From http://www.fitness.com/fitness_exercise/v1034501830.php:
"Title: Vomiting Due To Excessive Exercise
Although I've never experienced it myself, I've seen a number of people who vomit either during or after heavy cardiovascular exercise.
Can anyone offer a technical explanation of why this occurs? Thanks in advance."
(this page goes into a lengthy discussion on the topic)
From http://www.drpribut.com/sports/spthrowup.htm:
"Dry Heaves or Vomiting
Assuming you have no specific horrible medical malady - dry heaves have been associated with training that goes into the anaerobic realm and a buildup of lactic acid used to be considered one of the causes of it.
In years gone by, some runners have reported that their coaches would keep a bucket at the side of the track for runners who threw up or had the dry heaves. If you didn't stop at the bucket he'd think you weren't giving it your all."
I could go on and on, I found those in about 10 seconds with a google search for "exercise throw up" and "exercise vomit".
And as for anecdotal evidence ... I personally have vomited from too many sprints at rugby practice, and from tackling too steep a hill while mountain biking. I have also witnessed other people vomiting from intense exercise such as running or mountain biking.
Anyway, I give up. I still feel that the actions of the people who have reverted my contributions are unjustified, and that the attempt at justification which has been given is not credible because it ignores even less-well-referenced parts of the page in question. This was my first, and will be my last, attempt at improving a wikipedia page. I will continue as a user but not as a contributor. 118.90.11.7 11:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
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Yuk. Do we need a picture of vomit? Dysprosia 09:11, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The picture was Image:Erbrochenes.jpg, for those arriving too late to see it. Marnanel 21:28, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
How about this picture, which has been circulating online for at least 8 years. It illustrates the topic very well, IMO. Bronwyn18 20:24, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This picture isn't so disturbing because it is so obvious what the substance is. Bronwyn18 01:08, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Actually I think the picture should go inline. This is an article about vomiting, not bunnies and butterflies. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 23:08, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but "they" just keep being "upset." The link should solve the problem. Glen Larson
I put it back inline with the default size thumbnail. I do not support suppressing images behind a link; this image is no big deal. — Davenbelle 23:34, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
OK, agreed, leave the thumb photo in. Glen Larson
These should be added to the bottom of the article.
I am placing these here for review, modification, and inclusion by qualified medical or emergency personnel. They seem to me to be a necessary and desirable inclusion to the article, but I do not feel qualified to post these from a medical standpoint. These recommendations are only based on reading and personal experience (I have not vomited in a very long time, thankfully). Leonard G. 04:17, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As noted above, vomiting can occur as a physical response to an emotional situation, for example seeing the consequences of a gory accident. It is part of a general shock reaction, usually preceded by a "cold sweat" and a loss of peripheral blood flow leading (in fair skinned people) to a pallor (the skin, especially in the face, will turn from pink to white. In these cases there is no particular benefit to vomiting (as is the case with food poisoning, excessive intake of alcohol, etc.) It may be possible to arrest the vomiting reflex by sitting on a low chair or object and placing the head between the knees. If you are assisting another person in this state, place your hand lightly on the back and ask them to push up - as they push up, resist this motion. Smelling salts (specially prepared ampules of ammonia) may be briefly passed under the nose of the victim as they inhale.
There are two problems related to the act vomiting, one only an inconvenience, the other potentially life threatening. Both of these are controllable by an aware and alert vomiter:
It is the potential inhalation of vomit that is the reason behind the recommendation that a person who has ingested petroleum products and certain other materials not be induced to vomit, as such materials may be very damaging to the lungs. They should instead have their stomachs pumped out by qualified medical personel.
It is important that breathing be properly timed by the vomiter. It is not possible to breath during the moment of expulsion and there may be only brief periods in which to breath between convulsions, if the moment of first vomit can be predicted, it is best to have a good blood oxygen level and a good amount of air in the lungs. With lots of air in the lungs, any vomit that enters the trachea (windpipe) may be expelled by coughing.
"Some adult birds regurgitate food to feed their young, triggered by a feather or a beak of their young. The food can be either incompletely digested or partially predigested, depending on the species. Some bird species may also use regurgitation as a form of defense, vomiting when wounded or molested. When an intruder or a predator comes near a fulmar on its nest, the bird vomits oil up to 3 feet at the enemy."
I call it barfing.- 12hernn
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how do we know the picture is in public domain? what proof do we have? if there is not proof provided within 48 hours of this post, i will remove the image from this article. if that image is a private image, wikipedia could get sued. Kingturtle 02:09, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The uploader made a declaration that the image is in the public domain. I presume it was her own. It is the normal practise in these circumstances to take the word of the uploader unless there is good reason to doubt it.
May I ask King Turtle why he's so keen to remove a picture of vomiting from an article about vomiting? -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 02:28, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't really think it matters whether some fetishist might find this picture interesting for their own reasons, it's a very good picture of a woman vomiting. I discussed the situation re copyright claims above. Find the site and verify the ownership, and you'll have demonstrated that the image is not public domain. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 02:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's quite possible that Bronwen is a vomit fetishist. You may not like the idea of fetish images, you may even find them degrading, but in this instance they're pretty good illustrations of the subject matter of the article. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 03:14, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well, she's vomiting. Apart from the obvious, are you attaching some special meaning to the word "degrading" here? -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 03:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think you've got a point, there. HOwever I think it's somewhat tangential to the question of whether this is a good illustration of vomiting. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 04:05, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
1. Bronwyn18 may be either male or female. The user uploded two images, on two seperate days, and had made a post on this page - the talk page not in the article. Kingturtle deleted them from this page as a personal view. Bronwyn18 has been absent since then. Censorship may be the problem here. Users leave when their contributions are deleted.
2. This is an article about vomiting. The value of a photo is not disputed. A better photo may be nice, but we do not have one to date. Most people do not like vomiting, in themselves or others. I did not know about this Emetophilia and fetish stuff! Regardless, an image does add to the article.
3. An interpretation of the photo has been advance, although I do not see that from the pose or clothing. I, as a health care worker, have delt with those in the club scene having consumed to much vomiting in this pose, and wearing this type of clothing. Anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa are serious problems. I can not tell from the photo the weight of the individual, but I don't think it is to far out of the norm. Although there is no hard and fast rules and this may be but simple points for discussion on a serious problem, but often vomiting is found with the binge bulimia nervosa who wants to prevent additional weight gain, with an already weight problem. Anorexia nervosa has the individual aready starving in a thin state, and the related muscle loss, and vomiting is rarer.
There are a number of methods for those that do not like the immage to deal with the problem and their questions or concerns. Take it to that forum.
Continued deletion may requre the page to be protected. Glenlarson 06:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Glenlarson, I have serious issues with this accusation. This women is hopefully still alive. If she did not consent to the image she can (and WILL) sue Wikipedia for defamation. UNLESS this is recorded, placing this image is unethical and unwise. Just keep the ***** c-word to yourself and discuss the issues, rather than bleating. JFW | T@lk 21:04, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The first section currently ends in a sentence stating Nausea usually, but not always and not necessarily, precedes vomiting.
I find this to be ambiguous between the meanings "If you feel nausea, this is usually (but not always) a precursor to vomitting" and "People who vomit usually (but not always) feel nausea previously". I'm not sure which meaning is intended, but I think the sentence should be clarified to specify one meaning unambiguously. -- pne 11:46, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The section "Other Words for Vomiting" is being continually deleted and brought back. I know who wrote it, and was just wondering what you people thought about it.
"Boking" refers to marijuana, derived from baking.
You know, I think it's absolutely repulsive that anything would even think about eating vomit. Why do birds do it anyway? Does it taste good to them? Scorpionman 15:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The photo is juvenile. The article doesn't really need a photo anyway. It should be removed. 24.20.236.188 ( talk · contribs).
Agreed, articles need image support. However, birds eating vomit in no way adds information to this article. Do people not know what vomit looks like? How in the world would birds eating vomit get an article closer to feature status? Perhaps photos are available of the related organs. Of most interest seems to be the medulla's role. Maybe a photo of that. I'll 'refrain from deleting' and see if i can find any images to add. But please, save this one for Wikipedia: Grade School.
'READER DISCRETION ADVISED :' Well, around six years ago, at my grandfather's village, his chickens ate my vomit the following morning after I threw up my noodles. :-p Gosh that place was disgusting. Sillygostly 06:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Does that actually exist? The only similar phenomenon I know of was in that episode of South Park when Cartman crapped out his mouth. That was disgusting. Scott Gall 07:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Isn't "emesis" the name of a butterfly family too? Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? cun 20:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
What does porcelain have to do with vomiting? Praying at the porcelain alter? Talking to ralph on the porcelain phone? What does this mean? Does it have something to do with porcelain toilets? I don't get it Stanley011 01:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Even a tiny drop will make you throw up withing ten minutes.
Once again their is no photo for the article. I think a tasteful picture should be found and added. Wikipedia is an online Encyclopedia, encyclopedias are for learning purposes and thus should contain an image related to the article...
Yeah, and there should be a picture of a couple having sex too.- ???
This article is difficult to read. I understand what "the chemoreceptor trigger zone which lies in the fourth ventricle" means, and I do not suggest one should try and write articles like this one without correct medical terms - but the least one can do is try and explain those terms in context. I might give it a try one of these days. // Habj 11:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
My cat vomits alot. My dad got wasted one night and was the first to break-in the new toilet seat.
Really?
There should probably be some mention of exerting conscious control over the reflex. I've been able to prevent it by a sort of biofeedback exercise with deep, slow breathing. Obviously there are many occasions where it is absolutely beneficial to go ahead and hurl, but likewise it is often desirable to prevent.
In the interests of scientific accuracy, a photo would be of benefit to those genuinely wanting information on the subject. If the subject of vomiting is available for reading in Wikipedia, why not a photo to support it? If people find the photo offensive, perhaps they should isolate themselves from day-to-day life, so that they won't be 'tainted' by such ghastly images as breast-feeding and other natural bodily functions and activities. These things should be embraced as such. I have attempted to place a personal photograph of a friend engaged in emesis in the article, only to find it repeatedly removed by someone more interested in his or her conservativness than freedom of information. Sad.
I made a silly edit summary [1]. Of course the article mentions emesis. My real problem is that vomiting alone would be an odd presentation of liver cysts - there would be many other symptoms. Too rare a cause for vomiting to list here. JFW | T@lk 01:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know exactly what causes the unique sound that often accompanies vomiting. It obviously varies, for instance, my brothers and I sound like roaring lions, but just last night I overheard my girlfriend vomiting and didn't even realize that that was what she was doing. Does anyone have any information on what produces these sounds? Am I subconciously growling from deep in my throat or are my vocal chords actually being vibrated by the retching reflex? ThePedanticPrick 15:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Could we have a treatment section like the Diarrhea article? TNTfan101 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is receiving continuous vandalism and cruftesque jargon additions. I've sprotected it, and recommend long-term protection. JFW | T@lk 22:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's commonly said that vomit always contains pieces of carrot, even when you haven't eaten carrots for days beforehand. When I think about it, my vomit always seems to have orange lumps in it. Perhaps someone who knows could add some info in here on what the orange lumps are (I assume, of course, that they aren't simply undigested carrot). Dazcha 10:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I do not see how a photograph of someone's lunch on the sidewalk is informative or contributes to the article. Per WP:IUP: "Do not upload shocking or explicit pictures, unless they have been approved by a consensus of editors for the relevant article." Seeing as the image was added to the article without discussion or consensus to support its inclusion — the last substantive discussion regarding images on this talk page is from two years ago — I will be bold and remove it. - Severa ( !!!) 08:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Whoa, a suggestion is not "telling you what to do"! Calm down, apparently you read things into my post I did not intend. Perhaps you could request clarification before becoming angry or indignant at something you may have misunderstood. KillerChihuahua ?!? 11:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Three comments and a question:
<Reduce indent> This picture does not add anything to the article. First of all, although the picture is probably vomit, it is not necessarily so. It could be fake vomit. It could be the contents of a blender. Although inspection of vomit could be used for clinical analysis (and if you watch CSI, it's used to find the guilty party), by placing a picture of a random patch of what could be anything is not very useful to the article. I looked up a copy of a Gastroenterology textbook (admittedly, one I used in medical school 30 years ago), and it did have pictures of vomit, but only for analysis. It didn't have pictures of hot dogs or anything, but how to interpret colors, bile, whatever. Now that could be useful. Right now the picture looks like a frat joke rather than an addition to what could be an interesting article. For example, I completely forgot about the vomit center. I had to look it up to make sure it was terminology that was actually used, and I was pleasantly surprised. This picture does not have to be an edit war. It's not very useful to a medical article. Not only can we do better, we can make it germane to the article. For example, the oxidize blood or coffee grounds discussion of color could use a picture. Orangemarlin 17:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Pancakes are not a universal phenomenon, so, although having a photograph in the article might seem unnecessary for people who eat them for breakfast every morning, it might not be so for readers who live in a place in which pancakes are not a part of the local cuisine. Vomitting, unlike aniridia or smallpox, is something which everyone is bound to experience at some point in their life (or see someone else experience), so illustrating it seems redundant. I don't think a persuasive argument can be made that a photograph of vomit on the street is informative or appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Content should be included in an article because it is useful, not simply because it can be included. Wikipedia is not a junkyard. An encylopaedic image for this article might an illustration of what occurs in the body during the process of vomitting, or an illustration showing the diagnostic characteristics of different types of vomit, like the one at Diarrhea. - Severa ( !!!) 04:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
While the particular image in question may not be the best availible, this is an article about vomit, and a picture of vomit would be a good idea. The most informative available picture should be included. Wikipedia is not censored. 58.153.51.248 16:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
OM, you have a medical degree, yes? So now there is an MD and a med student editing this article? This is an excellent opportunity to work towards GA. KillerChihuahua ?!? 18:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I did throw a reference tag on the article. Although well written, and from what I see fairly accurate, it is not referenced at all. This article could be GA with a little work. Orangemarlin 17:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where the words vomit & emesis come from? (I'm guessing at least one of them is from Latin.) Trcunning 16:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
After being reverted on my reinsertion of an image, I analyzed the reverter's claim of "consensus" above. I don't see this as a consensus at all. The arguments against the image are, as I understand:
There needs to be a more convincing reason if this image is to be left out. Milto LOL pia 21:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I have edited this page *3* times to add an 'other' reason for vomiting - intense exercise. It is a well-known phenomena which happens to many, many people who start an exercise program. I have even included a link to an existing Wikipedia article on the subject (exercise induced nausea). I cannot understand why editors keep removing my addition. This is the only thing I have contributed to Wikipedia and I am feeling very frustrated that my efforts are being erased without justification. Please either give a good reason for removing my edits, or leave them alone. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.119.28 ( talk) 08:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean by "You also wrote exercise induced nausea"??? Do you mean that I wrote that entry in Wikipedia? I assure you, I did not. I simply linked to it as evidence of this phenomena. I was not even aware of the exercise induced nausea wikipedia article until I did a search to try to find sources to justify my edits, which had been reverted. Also, I find it odd that such strict criteria are being used to judge my particular contribution when other reasons for vomiting ("violent emotions", "violent fits of coughing or hiccups") have no references to justify them *at all*. At least I provided a justification for my entry based on an existing Wikipedia page.
Would you like some additional evidence to make my contribution even more well-founded than other text on this page?
From http://sport.independent.co.uk/golf/article2866756.ece:
"The former Open champion John Daly had a vivid and emphatic response yesterday to Tiger Woods' sermon on the benefits of physical fitness in golf.
"Every time I worked out I threw up and I thought to myself, 'I can get drunk and throw up, I don't need to do this!'" was Daly's view of Woods' comments after he won the 13th major of his career in the USPGA Championship on Sunday."
From http://www.fitness.com/fitness_exercise/v1034501830.php:
"Title: Vomiting Due To Excessive Exercise
Although I've never experienced it myself, I've seen a number of people who vomit either during or after heavy cardiovascular exercise.
Can anyone offer a technical explanation of why this occurs? Thanks in advance."
(this page goes into a lengthy discussion on the topic)
From http://www.drpribut.com/sports/spthrowup.htm:
"Dry Heaves or Vomiting
Assuming you have no specific horrible medical malady - dry heaves have been associated with training that goes into the anaerobic realm and a buildup of lactic acid used to be considered one of the causes of it.
In years gone by, some runners have reported that their coaches would keep a bucket at the side of the track for runners who threw up or had the dry heaves. If you didn't stop at the bucket he'd think you weren't giving it your all."
I could go on and on, I found those in about 10 seconds with a google search for "exercise throw up" and "exercise vomit".
And as for anecdotal evidence ... I personally have vomited from too many sprints at rugby practice, and from tackling too steep a hill while mountain biking. I have also witnessed other people vomiting from intense exercise such as running or mountain biking.
Anyway, I give up. I still feel that the actions of the people who have reverted my contributions are unjustified, and that the attempt at justification which has been given is not credible because it ignores even less-well-referenced parts of the page in question. This was my first, and will be my last, attempt at improving a wikipedia page. I will continue as a user but not as a contributor. 118.90.11.7 11:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)