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This is in regards to a message Stevegarfield wrote on Haakon's talk page. Steve made it seem like he needed my permission to edit the definition. I did regrettably give off that impression but I want to explain why I've been so strict regarding the article.
Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia. The keyword in that sentence is 'encyclopaedia'. Encyclopaedia topics must be notable. One way to determine if a topic is notable is if the topic has been written about by notable publications. If notable sources can't be found, it's possible the topic is a neologism.
The vlog article was nominated for deletion recently because it was believed to be a neologism. For this reason, it was necessary to go out and find notable sources for the definition and it's also the reason I was being so strict about the definition needing to be properly sourced. What wasn't clear perhaps is that I'm completely ok with people changing my edits, however, not at the cost of a) misquoting the source or b)removing the source and changing the definition without adding a new source to explain where you got your information.
Wikipedia articles include material on the basis of verifiability, not truth. That is, we report what other reliable sources have published, whether or not we regard the material as accurate. Wikipedia welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as these contributions come from verifiable (i.e. published) sources. Thus, if an editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, then the editor may cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy.
This is exactly what Steve has done and I salute him for it.
Wikipedia:No original research
Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Perfection_is_not_required
Ehdrive 16:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
mmeiser's response: There's really only one thing to add here... maybe you should spend a quarter of the time you do deleting and defending your deletes actually adding ONE SINGLE THING... just ONE thing... try it some time... to this article... also... you should read up on the spirit of collaboration on wikipedia... and then look up the word collaboration... and note that it involves actually bringing something to the table not simply sitting around and critiquing other people's input. If that doesn't give you some perspective... I encourage you to go tear appart the related "video podcasting" article, which quite frankly is ten times worse than this article. Quite frankly, I'm thinking of appealing to a moderation channel... perhaps you need to be bared from deletions on this article.
Also apparently I have to use email tracking to keep track of edits on this page. I'm to busy right now to go back over the entire last six months to see who elses changes you deleted.
BTW... do you find it funny to delete everyone's changes and keep adding back in "vloggerhood"... where's your partiality there? I see no sources referenced there. In a huge bit of controdictory irony you *require* me to show sources for why it should be deleted. By your own argument I'd challenge you to show sources on why you would like to delete every edit from now on. And perhaps for the time being you should change it to "vloggerhoodia" it would at least be funnier. :) -- mmeiser 06:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
One last thing... I'd also like you to note that in this talk page youre mentioned new 30 times, the bulk of this talk page deals with your questioning the "worthiness" of this article and it's editors. Since you apparently feel you're the expert on what is worthy to be on this article why don't you give us some examples by adding some worthy information since you clearly seem to thing NOONE else seems to be able to do it... and I'm not exagerating when I say noone... because you haven't let a single edit through without attempting to delete it atleast twice... and I'd be hard pressed... in fact challenge you to put for and document a single original addition to this article you've put forth. It may sound harsh... but those are the hard facts... you're trolling this article.-- mmeiser 07:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Response: I found this quite useful and on point... as opposed to going into point by point discussion on your deletion of 90% of the article I'm going to quote from the "five pillars of wikipedia". You are fond on citing sources and telling people over and over about original research and citing sources as if we haven't read these sources, so perhaps you will take your own advices so strongly and read the following quotes and the article.
From Wikipedia Editing policy, Perfection is not required
It is wonderful when someone adds a complete, well-written, final draft to Wikipedia. This should always be encouraged.
However, one of the great advantages of the Wiki system is that incomplete or poorly written first drafts of articles can evolve into polished, presentable masterpieces through the process of collaborative editing. This gives our approach an advantage over other ways of producing similar end-products. Hence, the submission of rough drafts should also be encouraged as much as possible.
One person can start an article with, perhaps, an overview or a few random facts. Another person can add a minority opinion. Someone else can round off the article with additional perspectives. Yet another can play up an angle that has been neglected, or reword the earlier opinions to a more neutral point of view. Another person might have facts and figures or a graphic to include, and yet another might fix the spelling and grammatical errors that have crept in throughout these multiple edits.
As all this material is added, anyone may contribute and refactor to turn it into a more cohesive whole. Then, more text may be added, and it may also be rewritten... and so on.
During this process, the article might look like a first draft—or worse, a random collection of notes and factoids. Rather than being horrified by this ugliness, we should rejoice in its potential, and have faith that the editing process will turn it into brilliant prose.
[...]
With large proposed deletions or replacements, it may be best to suggest changes in a discussion, lest the original author be discouraged from posting again. One person's improvement is another's desecration, and nobody likes to see their work destroyed without prior notice. If you make deletions, you should try to explain why you delete their contributions in the article talk page. This could reduce the possibility of reverting wars and unnecessary arguments.
So, whatever you do, try to preserve information. Reasons for removing bits of an article include:
* duplication or redundancy * irrelevancy * patent nonsense * copyright violations * inaccuracy (attempt to correct the misinformation or discuss the problems first before deletion)
Alternatives include:
* rephrasing * correct the inaccuracy while keeping the content * moving text within an article or to another article (existing or new) * adding more of what you think is important to make an article more balanced * requesting a citation by adding the citation needed tag
Notice no where does it suggest deleteing whole articles or everything in a document simply because it is not cited... Notice it does not say a timeline should be put on users to perfect additions before they are deleted.
It says rejoice in the schlock... This pillar of wikipedia is "perfection is not required"... this is EXACTLY what I've been saying over and over and over as you've litterally slashed the article down to nothing.
I don't know if this will get us closer to a resolution... but the simple fact of the matter is I CANNOT work on the article because you delete contributions before they can be improved on... for the past few weeks instead of working on the timeline all I've been able to do is reserect it... because you simply delete it over and over and over... How would you like to work with someone standing behind you who tore up what you were writting every time you picked up the pen. Use citation needed use it liberally... but DO NOT DELETE every single thing that doesn't have a reference, it is simply put ABUSE. And it's VERY discouraging of participation.
Thanks -- mmeiser 08:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Sull, I want to thank you for advancing the discussion.
All my edits are done in good faith and I appreciate that you were polite in your edit summary. I've been trying to get feedback on the following edits. How-to books aren't considered very notable. Since the article was 75% unsourced, i thought i would do a general cleanup. I'd much rather see the books sourced in the article if they really do contain valuable information. I'm very much willing to comprimise however and I don't mind leaving them in as Further Reading.
The reason I didn't leave your revert alone is because the revert war going on isn't due to one edit on my part. It's due to a number of edits that occurred over the last few months. That's why i'd rather leave the article as it was before the edit war began and talk about putting things back in instead of the other way around.
I've summarized the rest of my edits below. The discussion entitled "Ehdrive and the definition" will also give you an idea of what has been discussed over the last few months.
Thanks Sull! Ehdrive 16:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Response: Ehdrive, the ongoing deleting of acticle contents does not costitute "a number of edits"... you mispaint the picture... all you have done is delete sections of the article for the last two years... the very fact that I could revert to a version 6 months ago because no contributions were made is evidence of your ongoing deletion of ALL attempts at contribution. Indeed when I returned to find the article after six months it was a complete stub with a timeline of two items... two sentences as a definition... and failed in the basic encyclopedic premis to explain what videoblogging is.
Secondly... in response to your argument that I'm "sidetracking the conversation" I am absolutely not... your domimnance of this article have made you the central subject of this talk page... read the first header of the first section... that's your name up there and it's a testament to your strong arming this article... this IS and has constantly been in the long history of the article the "issue". It was before I started working on this article, and in fact is the reason why others have asked me to contribute to this article... because you'd chopped it down to a stub and pushed it for deletion... and again, you have returned it to a stub. I do not claim that I'm right about any particular contribution, nor that the article is perfect, it is in fact not... my pleading is that you find more positive ways to make contributions and play nice with others. Even if at this point you may not be happy with me do not hold a grudge against everyone. There have been a heck of a lot of willing, hard working, and well meaning contributors whom you've simply turned away. You have in fact turned away 100% of all contributor (except for of course me)... by reasonable deduction you must realize not all these people nor all these edits are without merit.
Finally, you accuse me of being rude... I have spoken strongly here, maybe even my frustration with you has shown through or run bare, but I challenge you to point out instances of rudeness... if you can point out these instances I will apoligize. I have in fact accused you of trolling... perhaps my harshest words... but this is not inaccurate... please go read the trolling page... deletion trolling... it is the ongoing repeated deletion of large parts of or an entire article. Do you honestly believe you're lack of contribution and deletion of every single other contribution does not bear resemblance to deletion trolling? The ONLY difference that I cling to with hope... is I cling to the hope you still edit this article in good faith... but since you have attempted to have it deleted once, and have made no contributions ever I'm really strugling to see any good faith in your work here.
Even at this hour when you threaten me quite improperly I might add with blocking do to of all things vandalism... (actually that is a bit ironic as I'm the last person trying to contribute to this article you have not driven off). Anyway, this is clearly not vandalism, this is not even content dispute... and therefor not a blockable issue. I am however if this content resolution dispute does not move forth in a positive manner with you agreeing to make good faith additions to the article going to escalate it to a user dispute... specifically I will present evidence, evidence I've presented thouroughly here that you you're deleting of this article is in fact not made in good faith... and that you have become even if you were not always a delete troll.
Please... if you have any other issue with me... my "rudeness" or some proof that I am a mere vandal please do let me know. I do expect though my long history of attempts to work with you and contribute to this article would seem to suggest otherwise. I am not partial to reviewing my faults... but right now the only faults I can find is my lack of time to fight with you over every single contribution... and my biggest fault... my simple wordiness which I'm well aware of. :)
Please prove to me you are not a delete troll... that you wish to in good faith make this a better article article by contributing substatial material to it with some proportionality to the vigor in which you've deleted substantial material... and do feel free to challenge me if I have been as you say rude or a vandal. You will have to do this anyway if this dispute escalates. -- mmeiser 06:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
One last thing... if we can move beyond this, I would hope that you would help me on sourcing the timeline... there are several new items of importance and many past items I was hoping to properly cite... such as 1) important events regarding youtube the largest video sharing timeline... 2) statistical information on the growth of videobloging from nielsens, mefeedia, feedburner, and others (probably do it's own section, but I'll settle for timeline information), 3) apple's release of the Apple TV which specifically supports and has guidelines for videoblogging, and 4) items pertaining to the growth of videoblogging as an industry / business sector... One thing is for sure... while the article is stagnant and does not reflect it videoblogging has progressed from hobbying and is well on its way to an industry... debating these finer points endlessly is fine... updating the timeline with new and verifying old sources is why I first reverted the article... but I cannot keep pulling edits out of the trash every every time I want to work on improving the article... this is what I would much rather be focused on... maybe if you still have a want to improve this article and have a good faith interest in making this article better you would help me track down some of these references or find some other way to contribute. This is my sincereist wish. I hope we can resolve this dispute without wasting the time and energies of some of the best contributors on wikipedia. Let's ask submit this FULL article with requests for improvement... not request for moderation... and then set about following through on them. I think I have proven my willingness to do tremendous research and hard work in the past but I cannot do it alone, (as your deletions while admitedly right much of the time, have none the less been less then helpful and encouraging to would be collaborators) and I especially cannot do it fighting you every inch of the way. -- mmeiser 06:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I requested feedback on the article. Click here to see the request.
Any additional input is welcome. Ehdrive 15:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYI, this is not the best time for request for feedback. That request for feedback is for new articles... thsi is not a new article... it is an very old article... there are other ways to request feedback, I'd be happy to pusue them as opposed to moderation... but before we do such I'd request that you reserect what you've deleted so we can get feedback on how to improve that as well. You have in fact had thousands of pieces of feedback for improvement... by deleting every one of them rejected all feedback. I can see that feedback specifically from seasoned wikipedia editors could give new perspective... but if it is not on the material which you deleted it can hardly be the sort of critical advice we need. -- mmeiser 06:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Vlogosphere citation needed
Vlogger citation needed
For more information related to Video blog terminology please visit the list of blogging terms.
While there are many distinct uses and genres for videoblogs it is important to note that the majority are individual and personal. citation needed For extended research on genres related to videoblogging please visit BROG, the Blog Research on Genre project [1].(this "project" has nothing to do with videoblogs)
I have been accused several times of not contributing to the article. I felt the need to highlight my contributions. I am not looking to compare or show off but mearly show that my edits are in good faith and to hopefully allow people to view my contributions in more positive light.
I added the underconstruction template. I thought it would be good to leave up for a couple of days because the article was mentioned on the Yahoo Videoblogging group. It's big and ugly and I already hate it. If anyone wants to take it down go ahead. :P It might be useful though for people who aren't aware of what's going on. Ehdrive 00:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about the value of different sections of the article. 02:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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This is in regards to a message Stevegarfield wrote on Haakon's talk page. Steve made it seem like he needed my permission to edit the definition. I did regrettably give off that impression but I want to explain why I've been so strict regarding the article.
Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia. The keyword in that sentence is 'encyclopaedia'. Encyclopaedia topics must be notable. One way to determine if a topic is notable is if the topic has been written about by notable publications. If notable sources can't be found, it's possible the topic is a neologism.
The vlog article was nominated for deletion recently because it was believed to be a neologism. For this reason, it was necessary to go out and find notable sources for the definition and it's also the reason I was being so strict about the definition needing to be properly sourced. What wasn't clear perhaps is that I'm completely ok with people changing my edits, however, not at the cost of a) misquoting the source or b)removing the source and changing the definition without adding a new source to explain where you got your information.
Wikipedia articles include material on the basis of verifiability, not truth. That is, we report what other reliable sources have published, whether or not we regard the material as accurate. Wikipedia welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as these contributions come from verifiable (i.e. published) sources. Thus, if an editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, then the editor may cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy.
This is exactly what Steve has done and I salute him for it.
Wikipedia:No original research
Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Perfection_is_not_required
Ehdrive 16:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
mmeiser's response: There's really only one thing to add here... maybe you should spend a quarter of the time you do deleting and defending your deletes actually adding ONE SINGLE THING... just ONE thing... try it some time... to this article... also... you should read up on the spirit of collaboration on wikipedia... and then look up the word collaboration... and note that it involves actually bringing something to the table not simply sitting around and critiquing other people's input. If that doesn't give you some perspective... I encourage you to go tear appart the related "video podcasting" article, which quite frankly is ten times worse than this article. Quite frankly, I'm thinking of appealing to a moderation channel... perhaps you need to be bared from deletions on this article.
Also apparently I have to use email tracking to keep track of edits on this page. I'm to busy right now to go back over the entire last six months to see who elses changes you deleted.
BTW... do you find it funny to delete everyone's changes and keep adding back in "vloggerhood"... where's your partiality there? I see no sources referenced there. In a huge bit of controdictory irony you *require* me to show sources for why it should be deleted. By your own argument I'd challenge you to show sources on why you would like to delete every edit from now on. And perhaps for the time being you should change it to "vloggerhoodia" it would at least be funnier. :) -- mmeiser 06:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
One last thing... I'd also like you to note that in this talk page youre mentioned new 30 times, the bulk of this talk page deals with your questioning the "worthiness" of this article and it's editors. Since you apparently feel you're the expert on what is worthy to be on this article why don't you give us some examples by adding some worthy information since you clearly seem to thing NOONE else seems to be able to do it... and I'm not exagerating when I say noone... because you haven't let a single edit through without attempting to delete it atleast twice... and I'd be hard pressed... in fact challenge you to put for and document a single original addition to this article you've put forth. It may sound harsh... but those are the hard facts... you're trolling this article.-- mmeiser 07:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Response: I found this quite useful and on point... as opposed to going into point by point discussion on your deletion of 90% of the article I'm going to quote from the "five pillars of wikipedia". You are fond on citing sources and telling people over and over about original research and citing sources as if we haven't read these sources, so perhaps you will take your own advices so strongly and read the following quotes and the article.
From Wikipedia Editing policy, Perfection is not required
It is wonderful when someone adds a complete, well-written, final draft to Wikipedia. This should always be encouraged.
However, one of the great advantages of the Wiki system is that incomplete or poorly written first drafts of articles can evolve into polished, presentable masterpieces through the process of collaborative editing. This gives our approach an advantage over other ways of producing similar end-products. Hence, the submission of rough drafts should also be encouraged as much as possible.
One person can start an article with, perhaps, an overview or a few random facts. Another person can add a minority opinion. Someone else can round off the article with additional perspectives. Yet another can play up an angle that has been neglected, or reword the earlier opinions to a more neutral point of view. Another person might have facts and figures or a graphic to include, and yet another might fix the spelling and grammatical errors that have crept in throughout these multiple edits.
As all this material is added, anyone may contribute and refactor to turn it into a more cohesive whole. Then, more text may be added, and it may also be rewritten... and so on.
During this process, the article might look like a first draft—or worse, a random collection of notes and factoids. Rather than being horrified by this ugliness, we should rejoice in its potential, and have faith that the editing process will turn it into brilliant prose.
[...]
With large proposed deletions or replacements, it may be best to suggest changes in a discussion, lest the original author be discouraged from posting again. One person's improvement is another's desecration, and nobody likes to see their work destroyed without prior notice. If you make deletions, you should try to explain why you delete their contributions in the article talk page. This could reduce the possibility of reverting wars and unnecessary arguments.
So, whatever you do, try to preserve information. Reasons for removing bits of an article include:
* duplication or redundancy * irrelevancy * patent nonsense * copyright violations * inaccuracy (attempt to correct the misinformation or discuss the problems first before deletion)
Alternatives include:
* rephrasing * correct the inaccuracy while keeping the content * moving text within an article or to another article (existing or new) * adding more of what you think is important to make an article more balanced * requesting a citation by adding the citation needed tag
Notice no where does it suggest deleteing whole articles or everything in a document simply because it is not cited... Notice it does not say a timeline should be put on users to perfect additions before they are deleted.
It says rejoice in the schlock... This pillar of wikipedia is "perfection is not required"... this is EXACTLY what I've been saying over and over and over as you've litterally slashed the article down to nothing.
I don't know if this will get us closer to a resolution... but the simple fact of the matter is I CANNOT work on the article because you delete contributions before they can be improved on... for the past few weeks instead of working on the timeline all I've been able to do is reserect it... because you simply delete it over and over and over... How would you like to work with someone standing behind you who tore up what you were writting every time you picked up the pen. Use citation needed use it liberally... but DO NOT DELETE every single thing that doesn't have a reference, it is simply put ABUSE. And it's VERY discouraging of participation.
Thanks -- mmeiser 08:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Sull, I want to thank you for advancing the discussion.
All my edits are done in good faith and I appreciate that you were polite in your edit summary. I've been trying to get feedback on the following edits. How-to books aren't considered very notable. Since the article was 75% unsourced, i thought i would do a general cleanup. I'd much rather see the books sourced in the article if they really do contain valuable information. I'm very much willing to comprimise however and I don't mind leaving them in as Further Reading.
The reason I didn't leave your revert alone is because the revert war going on isn't due to one edit on my part. It's due to a number of edits that occurred over the last few months. That's why i'd rather leave the article as it was before the edit war began and talk about putting things back in instead of the other way around.
I've summarized the rest of my edits below. The discussion entitled "Ehdrive and the definition" will also give you an idea of what has been discussed over the last few months.
Thanks Sull! Ehdrive 16:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Response: Ehdrive, the ongoing deleting of acticle contents does not costitute "a number of edits"... you mispaint the picture... all you have done is delete sections of the article for the last two years... the very fact that I could revert to a version 6 months ago because no contributions were made is evidence of your ongoing deletion of ALL attempts at contribution. Indeed when I returned to find the article after six months it was a complete stub with a timeline of two items... two sentences as a definition... and failed in the basic encyclopedic premis to explain what videoblogging is.
Secondly... in response to your argument that I'm "sidetracking the conversation" I am absolutely not... your domimnance of this article have made you the central subject of this talk page... read the first header of the first section... that's your name up there and it's a testament to your strong arming this article... this IS and has constantly been in the long history of the article the "issue". It was before I started working on this article, and in fact is the reason why others have asked me to contribute to this article... because you'd chopped it down to a stub and pushed it for deletion... and again, you have returned it to a stub. I do not claim that I'm right about any particular contribution, nor that the article is perfect, it is in fact not... my pleading is that you find more positive ways to make contributions and play nice with others. Even if at this point you may not be happy with me do not hold a grudge against everyone. There have been a heck of a lot of willing, hard working, and well meaning contributors whom you've simply turned away. You have in fact turned away 100% of all contributor (except for of course me)... by reasonable deduction you must realize not all these people nor all these edits are without merit.
Finally, you accuse me of being rude... I have spoken strongly here, maybe even my frustration with you has shown through or run bare, but I challenge you to point out instances of rudeness... if you can point out these instances I will apoligize. I have in fact accused you of trolling... perhaps my harshest words... but this is not inaccurate... please go read the trolling page... deletion trolling... it is the ongoing repeated deletion of large parts of or an entire article. Do you honestly believe you're lack of contribution and deletion of every single other contribution does not bear resemblance to deletion trolling? The ONLY difference that I cling to with hope... is I cling to the hope you still edit this article in good faith... but since you have attempted to have it deleted once, and have made no contributions ever I'm really strugling to see any good faith in your work here.
Even at this hour when you threaten me quite improperly I might add with blocking do to of all things vandalism... (actually that is a bit ironic as I'm the last person trying to contribute to this article you have not driven off). Anyway, this is clearly not vandalism, this is not even content dispute... and therefor not a blockable issue. I am however if this content resolution dispute does not move forth in a positive manner with you agreeing to make good faith additions to the article going to escalate it to a user dispute... specifically I will present evidence, evidence I've presented thouroughly here that you you're deleting of this article is in fact not made in good faith... and that you have become even if you were not always a delete troll.
Please... if you have any other issue with me... my "rudeness" or some proof that I am a mere vandal please do let me know. I do expect though my long history of attempts to work with you and contribute to this article would seem to suggest otherwise. I am not partial to reviewing my faults... but right now the only faults I can find is my lack of time to fight with you over every single contribution... and my biggest fault... my simple wordiness which I'm well aware of. :)
Please prove to me you are not a delete troll... that you wish to in good faith make this a better article article by contributing substatial material to it with some proportionality to the vigor in which you've deleted substantial material... and do feel free to challenge me if I have been as you say rude or a vandal. You will have to do this anyway if this dispute escalates. -- mmeiser 06:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
One last thing... if we can move beyond this, I would hope that you would help me on sourcing the timeline... there are several new items of importance and many past items I was hoping to properly cite... such as 1) important events regarding youtube the largest video sharing timeline... 2) statistical information on the growth of videobloging from nielsens, mefeedia, feedburner, and others (probably do it's own section, but I'll settle for timeline information), 3) apple's release of the Apple TV which specifically supports and has guidelines for videoblogging, and 4) items pertaining to the growth of videoblogging as an industry / business sector... One thing is for sure... while the article is stagnant and does not reflect it videoblogging has progressed from hobbying and is well on its way to an industry... debating these finer points endlessly is fine... updating the timeline with new and verifying old sources is why I first reverted the article... but I cannot keep pulling edits out of the trash every every time I want to work on improving the article... this is what I would much rather be focused on... maybe if you still have a want to improve this article and have a good faith interest in making this article better you would help me track down some of these references or find some other way to contribute. This is my sincereist wish. I hope we can resolve this dispute without wasting the time and energies of some of the best contributors on wikipedia. Let's ask submit this FULL article with requests for improvement... not request for moderation... and then set about following through on them. I think I have proven my willingness to do tremendous research and hard work in the past but I cannot do it alone, (as your deletions while admitedly right much of the time, have none the less been less then helpful and encouraging to would be collaborators) and I especially cannot do it fighting you every inch of the way. -- mmeiser 06:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I requested feedback on the article. Click here to see the request.
Any additional input is welcome. Ehdrive 15:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYI, this is not the best time for request for feedback. That request for feedback is for new articles... thsi is not a new article... it is an very old article... there are other ways to request feedback, I'd be happy to pusue them as opposed to moderation... but before we do such I'd request that you reserect what you've deleted so we can get feedback on how to improve that as well. You have in fact had thousands of pieces of feedback for improvement... by deleting every one of them rejected all feedback. I can see that feedback specifically from seasoned wikipedia editors could give new perspective... but if it is not on the material which you deleted it can hardly be the sort of critical advice we need. -- mmeiser 06:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Vlogosphere citation needed
Vlogger citation needed
For more information related to Video blog terminology please visit the list of blogging terms.
While there are many distinct uses and genres for videoblogs it is important to note that the majority are individual and personal. citation needed For extended research on genres related to videoblogging please visit BROG, the Blog Research on Genre project [1].(this "project" has nothing to do with videoblogs)
I have been accused several times of not contributing to the article. I felt the need to highlight my contributions. I am not looking to compare or show off but mearly show that my edits are in good faith and to hopefully allow people to view my contributions in more positive light.
I added the underconstruction template. I thought it would be good to leave up for a couple of days because the article was mentioned on the Yahoo Videoblogging group. It's big and ugly and I already hate it. If anyone wants to take it down go ahead. :P It might be useful though for people who aren't aware of what's going on. Ehdrive 00:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about the value of different sections of the article. 02:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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