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pandharpur tukaram Marathi literature
Vitthala is Vishnu of Maharashtra, the most important Vaishnava temple in Maharashtra. The only God in Maharashtra who enjoys state patronage and sarkari puja - that tells his importance. Panduranga is what Balaji is to Andhra, Udupi Krishna to Karnataka, Dwarakadeesh to Gujarat, Badrinath to Uttarakhand, Guruvayur to Kerala. why is Vithoba rated with mid, while all others are high??? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.38.35 ( talk • contribs)
I believe the article should have more on the history of the annual pilgrimage of Varkari with Palkhis of different saints. The questions I have on the topic are: 1. Who started the Palkhi tradition ? 2. When ? 3. Important milestones in the history of the tradition ? 4. How many palkhis ?
Previously I had found references to Sant Tukaram's son starting the tradition in late 1600s with Tukaram palkhi. Later on Sant Dnyaneshwar's palkhi was introduced and so on. This was followed by a break in tradition for years or decades. The current tradition dates back to 1821 when Haibat buwa of Alandi revived the tradition. All this was in a reliable source. Unfortunately, I can not find it again. Verifying this information and adding it to the Varkari sect section should further enhance the article. Jonathansammy ( talk) 13:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I was able to find the following: 1. [1]
2. [2]
4. [3]
3.
[4]
Jonathansammy ( talk) 14:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
As per WP:COMMONNAME, name of article should be Vitthal. Official name of temple in Pandharpur is also Shri Vitthal - Rukmini Mandir. All news media refers him as Vitthal, all songs based on him call him Vitthal, and in famous or primary mantra related to him Vitthal Vitthal, Jai Hari Vitthal also calls him Vitthal. -- Vtk1987 ( talk) 13:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Human3015: I'm inclined to vote for a move based on recent scholarship, but I'm promising nothing. I encourage you to run the vote because I think you have some evidence, I want to see a proper formal proposal with evidences (NGRAMs are heavily weighted usually because scholarship, but pointing out significant authors who use Vitthal like the ones I found afterwards searching places like Amazon.com in English like Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur by Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere and Anne Feldhaus helps). And other votes from Noticeboard are necessary for a good vote; we've had a lot of problems with understaffed votes recently. Ogress smash! 21:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Vithoba → Vitthal – As per WP:COMMONNAME, Official government website of Solapur district in which temple of this God situated calling this deity as "Vitthal". Recent news on Times of India regarding recent festival of this deity calling this deity as "Vitthal" and also mentions that "Vithoba" is "another name". Recently I have also moved page of temple of this deity Vithoba Temple, Pandharpur to Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur see here because sources mentioned in that article were calling this deity's temple as "Vitthal temple" [5], [6], [7], [8]. also 5910 book results for "Lord Vitthal". Oxford University Press book Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere (12 September 2011). Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur. Oxford University Press, USA. pp. 4–. ISBN 978-0-19-977764-8. calling deity as "Vitthal. Official website of the temple is not working, but official name of the temple is "Vitthal-Rukmini temple". Worshiping verses made on this deity are known as Abhang. These abhangas also refer this deity as "Lord Vitthal". I can give you lots of sources from local language Marathi, these abhangas are in Marathi. Read this news on concert on Abhangas named "Wisdom of Vitthala". Article on this deity on Marathi Wikipedia is named "Vitthal" see hare. Thank you. Human3015 Send WikiLove 21:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Despite the numerical majority in favour of the move, the arguments on either side, in terms of policy, are equally good. So much so that I cannot see there being a consensus to move this page (or a consensus to retain, but we default to the long-term status quo). Kwami's comment that this was "too close to call" is a good one and nothing has changed since then. Jenks24 ( talk) 21:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Vithoba →
Vitthal – As per
WP:COMMONNAME,
Official government website of
Solapur district in which temple of this God situated calling this deity as "Vitthal".
Recent news on
Times of India regarding recent festival of this deity calling this deity as "Vitthal" and also mentions that "Vithoba" is "another name". Recently I have also moved page of temple of this deity
Vithoba Temple, Pandharpur to
Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur
see here because sources mentioned in that article were calling this deity's temple as "Vitthal temple"
[9],
[10],
[11],
[12]. also
5910 book results for "Lord Vitthal". Oxford University Press book Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere (12 September 2011).
Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur. Oxford University Press, USA. pp. 4–.
ISBN
978-0-19-977764-8. calling deity as "Vitthal.
Official website of the temple is not working, but official name of the temple is "Vitthal-Rukmini temple". Worshiping verses made on this deity are known as
Abhang. These abhangas also refer this deity as "Lord Vitthal". I can give you lots of sources from local language
Marathi, these abhangas are in Marathi.
Read this news on concert on Abhangas named "Wisdom of Vitthala". Article on this deity on
Marathi Wikipedia is named "Vitthal"
see hare. Thank you.
Human3015
Send WikiLove 21:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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In the lede it says"Vithoba is the focus of the monotheistic, non-Brahamanical[1][2] Varkari faith of Maharashtra and the Haridasa faith of Karnataka. Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur is his main temple." After the lede, the term non-brahmanical does not appear at all in the rest of the article.That being so, the article and certainly the lede, needs a review.Please comment.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I did the source checks. The two sources, one edited by Eleanor Zelliot and Maxine Berntsen, the other by Sand, are discussing the Varkari traditions opposition to priestly Brahmans (Brahmin), not the metaphysical Brahman. We should not conflate the two in this FA-class article, though this innocent mistake is understandable. On monotheism, we need to be as careful as Sand who attributes the "essentially monotheistic" view to Raeside. There are other views. For example, Novetzke in Guy edited book Alternative Krishnas, published by State Univ of New York Press, gives several examples where the Varkari tradition reveres or incorporates Shiva, in a Shaiva-Vaishnava synthesis, on pages 115-116. Anna Schultz on page 23 of Singing a Hindu Nation: Marathi Devotional Performance and Nationalism, published by Oxford Univ Press, how certain kirtans (bhakti songs) in Maharashtra revere Vitthala, the poet-saints, but their stories and songs just as frequently praise pan-Hindu gods like Shiva, Ganesh, and Rama. For NPOV, we need to be careful in what we state and how we state it. Comments welcome, Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 15:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
An IP account is removing sourced content from this featured article.I request that the page should be protected.I leave it to the administrators to decide on what level of protection to be applied.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I thought we were not allowed to use Raj era sources, and particularly those by colonial administers such as William Crooke.Comments? Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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pandharpur tukaram Marathi literature
Vitthala is Vishnu of Maharashtra, the most important Vaishnava temple in Maharashtra. The only God in Maharashtra who enjoys state patronage and sarkari puja - that tells his importance. Panduranga is what Balaji is to Andhra, Udupi Krishna to Karnataka, Dwarakadeesh to Gujarat, Badrinath to Uttarakhand, Guruvayur to Kerala. why is Vithoba rated with mid, while all others are high??? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.38.35 ( talk • contribs)
I believe the article should have more on the history of the annual pilgrimage of Varkari with Palkhis of different saints. The questions I have on the topic are: 1. Who started the Palkhi tradition ? 2. When ? 3. Important milestones in the history of the tradition ? 4. How many palkhis ?
Previously I had found references to Sant Tukaram's son starting the tradition in late 1600s with Tukaram palkhi. Later on Sant Dnyaneshwar's palkhi was introduced and so on. This was followed by a break in tradition for years or decades. The current tradition dates back to 1821 when Haibat buwa of Alandi revived the tradition. All this was in a reliable source. Unfortunately, I can not find it again. Verifying this information and adding it to the Varkari sect section should further enhance the article. Jonathansammy ( talk) 13:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I was able to find the following: 1. [1]
2. [2]
4. [3]
3.
[4]
Jonathansammy ( talk) 14:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
As per WP:COMMONNAME, name of article should be Vitthal. Official name of temple in Pandharpur is also Shri Vitthal - Rukmini Mandir. All news media refers him as Vitthal, all songs based on him call him Vitthal, and in famous or primary mantra related to him Vitthal Vitthal, Jai Hari Vitthal also calls him Vitthal. -- Vtk1987 ( talk) 13:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Human3015: I'm inclined to vote for a move based on recent scholarship, but I'm promising nothing. I encourage you to run the vote because I think you have some evidence, I want to see a proper formal proposal with evidences (NGRAMs are heavily weighted usually because scholarship, but pointing out significant authors who use Vitthal like the ones I found afterwards searching places like Amazon.com in English like Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur by Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere and Anne Feldhaus helps). And other votes from Noticeboard are necessary for a good vote; we've had a lot of problems with understaffed votes recently. Ogress smash! 21:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Vithoba → Vitthal – As per WP:COMMONNAME, Official government website of Solapur district in which temple of this God situated calling this deity as "Vitthal". Recent news on Times of India regarding recent festival of this deity calling this deity as "Vitthal" and also mentions that "Vithoba" is "another name". Recently I have also moved page of temple of this deity Vithoba Temple, Pandharpur to Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur see here because sources mentioned in that article were calling this deity's temple as "Vitthal temple" [5], [6], [7], [8]. also 5910 book results for "Lord Vitthal". Oxford University Press book Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere (12 September 2011). Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur. Oxford University Press, USA. pp. 4–. ISBN 978-0-19-977764-8. calling deity as "Vitthal. Official website of the temple is not working, but official name of the temple is "Vitthal-Rukmini temple". Worshiping verses made on this deity are known as Abhang. These abhangas also refer this deity as "Lord Vitthal". I can give you lots of sources from local language Marathi, these abhangas are in Marathi. Read this news on concert on Abhangas named "Wisdom of Vitthala". Article on this deity on Marathi Wikipedia is named "Vitthal" see hare. Thank you. Human3015 Send WikiLove 21:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Despite the numerical majority in favour of the move, the arguments on either side, in terms of policy, are equally good. So much so that I cannot see there being a consensus to move this page (or a consensus to retain, but we default to the long-term status quo). Kwami's comment that this was "too close to call" is a good one and nothing has changed since then. Jenks24 ( talk) 21:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Vithoba →
Vitthal – As per
WP:COMMONNAME,
Official government website of
Solapur district in which temple of this God situated calling this deity as "Vitthal".
Recent news on
Times of India regarding recent festival of this deity calling this deity as "Vitthal" and also mentions that "Vithoba" is "another name". Recently I have also moved page of temple of this deity
Vithoba Temple, Pandharpur to
Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur
see here because sources mentioned in that article were calling this deity's temple as "Vitthal temple"
[9],
[10],
[11],
[12]. also
5910 book results for "Lord Vitthal". Oxford University Press book Ramchandra Chintaman Dhere (12 September 2011).
Rise of a Folk God: Vitthal of Pandharpur. Oxford University Press, USA. pp. 4–.
ISBN
978-0-19-977764-8. calling deity as "Vitthal.
Official website of the temple is not working, but official name of the temple is "Vitthal-Rukmini temple". Worshiping verses made on this deity are known as
Abhang. These abhangas also refer this deity as "Lord Vitthal". I can give you lots of sources from local language
Marathi, these abhangas are in Marathi.
Read this news on concert on Abhangas named "Wisdom of Vitthala". Article on this deity on
Marathi Wikipedia is named "Vitthal"
see hare. Thank you.
Human3015
Send WikiLove 21:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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In the lede it says"Vithoba is the focus of the monotheistic, non-Brahamanical[1][2] Varkari faith of Maharashtra and the Haridasa faith of Karnataka. Vitthal Temple, Pandharpur is his main temple." After the lede, the term non-brahmanical does not appear at all in the rest of the article.That being so, the article and certainly the lede, needs a review.Please comment.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I did the source checks. The two sources, one edited by Eleanor Zelliot and Maxine Berntsen, the other by Sand, are discussing the Varkari traditions opposition to priestly Brahmans (Brahmin), not the metaphysical Brahman. We should not conflate the two in this FA-class article, though this innocent mistake is understandable. On monotheism, we need to be as careful as Sand who attributes the "essentially monotheistic" view to Raeside. There are other views. For example, Novetzke in Guy edited book Alternative Krishnas, published by State Univ of New York Press, gives several examples where the Varkari tradition reveres or incorporates Shiva, in a Shaiva-Vaishnava synthesis, on pages 115-116. Anna Schultz on page 23 of Singing a Hindu Nation: Marathi Devotional Performance and Nationalism, published by Oxford Univ Press, how certain kirtans (bhakti songs) in Maharashtra revere Vitthala, the poet-saints, but their stories and songs just as frequently praise pan-Hindu gods like Shiva, Ganesh, and Rama. For NPOV, we need to be careful in what we state and how we state it. Comments welcome, Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 15:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
An IP account is removing sourced content from this featured article.I request that the page should be protected.I leave it to the administrators to decide on what level of protection to be applied.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I thought we were not allowed to use Raj era sources, and particularly those by colonial administers such as William Crooke.Comments? Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)