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It says at the top of the vizard page, that they have obtained Hollow powers on purpose. that is not true, they were forced to get powers because of Aizen. so they arent necassarly criminals. more like victims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.214.243 ( talk) 21:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Something that editors may want to consider is how this page reads to people with no prior knowledge of the subject. I have none and the article makes no sense to me as currently written. More context would be useful... 86.30.12.1 11:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm putting this on top for emphasis, this article has a few(or more than few) outdated info and it's pretty much a mess, so I suggest for a overhaul of the article. Any suggestions on how we go about this? -- Chemicalist 15:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
We should reach a consensus on whether the plural of 'vizard' should be 'vizard' or 'vizards'. I've seen both used so far. I vote for 'vizard', since it's standard in our articles to use the same plural as singular for Japanese words not used in English. On the other hand, 'vizard' is not really a Japanese word (while for example, shinigami is). -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 04:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
We sure about this- "While a vizard's inner hollow is nowhere near as powerful as a vizard's shinigami half..." I know there is not a consensus on whether Ichigo is one, but if he is, it would seems the Vizard's hollow side is incredibly powerful.
Shouldn't it be Visored, since they wear their masks like visors?
Yes, but Tite uses horrible spanish and english grammar, so we should just accept that. The japanese version does not puralize the word "vaisaado," so I don't think we should. iries ~
it's been recently shown the Hiyori can control herself in Hollow form. should that part in the article be edited?
How come there's a different page for shinigami and vizard but the arrancar and hollow are on the same page? -- Noman953 5:36, 11 Feburary 2007
theres an espada page which is the main arrancar.. —Preceding
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I think its because vizard and shinigami are different in abilities, power and status. Vizard do not consider themselves shinigami but instead ex-shinigami or vizard. Arrancars on the other hand are infact hollows just at a higher lvl than the ones seen before. Arrancars are produced by hollow on hollow assimilation. They just acquire a different name because of their huge power difference.
SrocOG —Preceding
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19:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there any information on what happens if a vizard fails to control his/her inner hollow? 71.203.209.0 21:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It's clear that the vaizard are previous death gods and have the abilities of that kind. So the question that remains is can they or do they have bankai or even shikai for that matter? Both Manga and the anime has not been clear on this topic. 202.52.237.74 13:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Hiyori, Lisa, Masahiro, and Hachi were lieutenants. Everyone else was a captain. Only one captain has ever lacked a bankai. Ergo, some vizards have bankai besides Ichigo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 07:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The current image for this page is not the cover of a single issue of a comic book, as claimed by the licensing template, and no further source is given. It's also decidedly not a low-resolution image, and there's no specific fair use rationale. I am hoping that these problems can be easily corrected, but if not, it may be necessary to discuss deleting the image. Thoughts? Dekimasu よ! 17:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Should there be some info on the individual members of the Vizard beside their name, maybe even a picture of them, just a thought WhiteStrike 18:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
She has been shown with her hollow mask, and her Zanpakutō. We seen her fight. We have enough info for a page, so should she have her own page. thedarklonewolf
12 Squad Vice-Captain... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.233.140 ( talk) 21:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
No,no,no,NO! I am sick of these pointless articles that need to be merged! Don't make more! We did not even see her fight a real fight. That was just random Ichigo training. A fight is when you are fighting someone and you take it seriously. If Hiyori's fight with Ichigo was serious Ichigo would have wasted her. Del rayo ( talk) 21:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
OMG lets giev evr1 wit a hollo mask a paeg nao... owait WP:NOTABILITY fail StardustDragon 01:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm quite sure that Kensei Muguruma was captain of the Ninth division. You simply use process of elimination Yamamoto was captain of division one I'm quite sure Yoruichi was division two, of course she technically was just the leader of the stealth force, as Soifon was her copycat stalker, I'm quite sure she was Love was captain of divison three Captain of four, Unohada-senpai Hirako Shinji, Captain of division 5 Of course, then there's division six, but, it doesn't sound like his division (unfair assumption) Seven was Afro man, I forget his name already Eight- Kyoraku Nine- Not sure Ten- Met an "unfortunate end" eleven- a kenpachi twelve- Commonly known as "Urahara Kisuke" Thirteen- Some people call him Ukitake
More easily, in the recent manga you could clearly see that his shinigami hakama is sleveless, a characteristic of all the members of the Ninth Division. —Preceding
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03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
first of all Rose is 3rd Squad and Love is 7th. Sound reasoning but we can't be sure of 2, since it's never stated explicitly that Yoruichi was ever captain of 2nd squad. She was the previous commander of the Onmitsukidou as is Soi Fon, but it's never STATED that those two jobs are always held by the same person. 2nd, 6th and 9th are all still possibilities. As is 10th, really. There's nothing saying in the manga that Kensei isn't the 10th's replacement. In anycase, we can wait another week to find out. Don't make any changes. —Preceding
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Shinji also called the current Kenpachi a pig. Yeah, it could be Kyoraku or Ukitake. Del rayo ( talk) 22:56 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.226.212 ( talk)
-108, last panel of page 16 is the command to stand in formation. The current practice is, the captains line up from Old Man Yama, lowest to highest, odd numbered squads on left and even on right. The third panel of page 17 shows Kensei Muguruma standing next to 13th Squad Captain Ukitake, and across from Hiyori who is wearing a clearly visible 12th Squad Vice-Captain's insignia. Based on this, it looks like Kensei Muguruma is the Captain of Squad 11, and thus the 10th Kenpachi that Shinji refers to as a loose cannon. Just because Shinji refers to him in that manner now does not preclude them coming to know and respect each other later - just look at Ichigo and Renji.
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04:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
If you noticed there was no one next to Hiyori, and Kaien is not dead yet, so the formation's mean nothing. Del rayo ( talk) 04:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I saw those too. There was also a picture of the final captains lower face. Del rayo ( talk) 01:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
In the newest chapter, it's shown there's another unnamed captain, and Yoruichi is the captain of Division two. When you see the captains sstanding, Kensei is in the ninth captain's position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.178.21 ( talk) 00:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
There is hard evidence that Kensei was captain of 9th division: "Turn back the clock" part 5. His lieutenent is Kuna Mashiro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.151.91 ( talk) 07:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
As of chapter 317 the only ones that have been confirmed Captain status from 100 yeasrs ago are 1=Yamamoto 2=Yoruichi 3=Rose 4=Unohana 5=Shinji 7=Love 8=Shunsui 10="met an untimely demised" but does not say if he was replaced yet 12=newly apointed Kisuke 13=Joshiro, Also there is and unnamed older shinigami standing in the place where the 6 squad Captain would be (he is between Unohana and Shunsui and Kensei is standing between Love and Joshiro meaning he could be either the Captain for 9 or 11 squad. There is only 11 captains at the meeting and if we count the 10 squad as not having one yet (not stated that he hasn't been replaced yet) we can see that there is one Captain missing. WhiteStrike ( talk) 13:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Therefore what? We assume Kensei is the 9th captain? It was said the "Kenpachi" was off running somewhere around. There is one guy wearing the ginpaku scarf Byakuya wore, so perhaps he is a Kuchiki, but no reason given that he is the 6th Captain. Placing doesn't matter, people could just randomly move wherever they want. Speculation, speculation and speculation.-- Hana ichi 06:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I just want to say this whole discussion / war / whatever is just stupid. On the one hand, common sense tells us that he will be the 9th captain. I don't think anyone is going to be surprised at this. In fact, I think most people already accept this. Then you have the defenders of wikipedia who refuse to put this up because it's unverified.
While I agree/sympathize with the people who put up that Kensei is the 9th, I think both sides are WP:LAME here. erc talk/ contribs 08:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Just one point: in the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters, it is revealed that the 11th squad captain always takes the name Kenpachi. It is stated that he is not at the meeting where they induct Urahara Kisuke into their ranks, and he is referred to as odd. While not confirmed, I believe that the captain in question is none other than Zaraki. Therefore, Kensei would be the unconfirmed 9th Squad captain.
It says: "Likewise, her shinigami uniform during her time in the Gotei 13 had a shortened hakama resembling a skirt."
Lisa hasn't been shown, however, in the past 2 chapters other than the side of her face, like the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk) 01:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Should we mention how the soon-to-be Vizard, and only them, were the ones that went to the incident in Rukongai? 98.223.105.6 ( talk) 17:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, we know Kensei became some cross between Jason Voorhees and a Hollow. That's about it. StardustDragon 00:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouln't we put Love's real name, Rabu Aikawa, instead of Love Aikawa? Del rayo ( talk) 23:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Hirako's surname Hirako or is it Shinji?
I keep seeing his name rendered as "Shinji Hirako" and "Hirako Shinji", but never consistantly enough for me to tell if it is in Western order (given name 1st) or traditional East Asian order (surname 1st). The context of when his name is mentioned is somewhat ambigiuous too.
A surname ending in "-ko" is unusual, but not that improbable. For example, "Kaneko" is a common surname, but somewhat uncommon first name. A manga has a high chance of characters with uncommon names, so that probably surprised you. -- Revth 07:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The English manga dubs him "Shinji Hirako." StardustDragon 18:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems the name for the vizard transformation is called hollowization (虚化, horō-ka), if Dordonii is to be believed. Chapter 253, page 4. – Gunslinger47 05:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's hollowfication —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.178.21 ( talk) 22:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hollowification stands for when someone just became Vizard. Hollowization sounds more like something you can yell Hollowization! then TADAA!! MugenTaichou ( talk) 23:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The current revelations are huge certainly the fact that Shinji was Aizen's fmr Captain and that Rose and Love were also captains is enough to make them worthy of their own pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bushido Brown ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
the raw has come out. confirmed: Hirako[5th Division], Love[7th], Rose[3rd], and Kensei[unknown which Division as of yet] were former Captains. refer to pages 6, 10, 14, and 16 respectively for reference. Hiyori and Risa were Lieutenants of the 12th Division and the 8th Division, respectively. looks like the edits have been made anyway, so yeah.-- Chemicalist ( talk) 17:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
kesei was captain of either 2nd or 6th division. 1st,3rd,4th,5th,7th,8th,9th,10th,11th,12th, and 13th are all taken.(Tousen was a captain back then, look at chapter 146, that is a captain's haori;then again, kommamura was wearing a haori too, so...) Del rayo 15:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Del rayo ( talk • contribs)
TO add to that, yo uforgot about division six, and 2nd is probably Yoruichi-san
Why does someone keep changing it back to "rhinoceros"? have "you" seen a rhino skull?! it doesn't look anything like hiyori's mask... though i agree with the large central horn. it's more "HUMAN" skull-like. not all vizards mask look like skulls, even hollow's mask for that reason. were talking about something that would describe it without seeing the actual picture... so if it was described as a rhino's... then hiyori would have a rhino's head in her hollow form?! shouldn't it be a horned human-skull?-- Rcmtiongson ( talk) 08:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I distinctly remember picking up a copy of the volume that Shinji premiers in, flipping it open, and reading "We are the vizards. The masked army."— Loveはドコ? ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
How do we know this is his released form? StardustDragon 01:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Issue 315-05-104 page 14-15, He clearly releases, katana becomes a combat knife. End of story. 142.167.48.54 ( talk) 16:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
i know i spelt it wrong, but where was there any evidence that the orb of distortion could create vizards? to my knowledge the only reason the aizen used it to create arrancar, was that it took a huge amount of energy, to rip the masks off, and like an OMG ARRANNCCEAAAR MACHINE YARRDSH. he needed the energy, nothing else.
'Visoreds' as a plural form sounds terrible. Is this the plural form used in SJ? -- 76.105.46.252 ( talk) 02:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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It says at the top of the vizard page, that they have obtained Hollow powers on purpose. that is not true, they were forced to get powers because of Aizen. so they arent necassarly criminals. more like victims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.214.243 ( talk) 21:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Something that editors may want to consider is how this page reads to people with no prior knowledge of the subject. I have none and the article makes no sense to me as currently written. More context would be useful... 86.30.12.1 11:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm putting this on top for emphasis, this article has a few(or more than few) outdated info and it's pretty much a mess, so I suggest for a overhaul of the article. Any suggestions on how we go about this? -- Chemicalist 15:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
We should reach a consensus on whether the plural of 'vizard' should be 'vizard' or 'vizards'. I've seen both used so far. I vote for 'vizard', since it's standard in our articles to use the same plural as singular for Japanese words not used in English. On the other hand, 'vizard' is not really a Japanese word (while for example, shinigami is). -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 04:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
We sure about this- "While a vizard's inner hollow is nowhere near as powerful as a vizard's shinigami half..." I know there is not a consensus on whether Ichigo is one, but if he is, it would seems the Vizard's hollow side is incredibly powerful.
Shouldn't it be Visored, since they wear their masks like visors?
Yes, but Tite uses horrible spanish and english grammar, so we should just accept that. The japanese version does not puralize the word "vaisaado," so I don't think we should. iries ~
it's been recently shown the Hiyori can control herself in Hollow form. should that part in the article be edited?
How come there's a different page for shinigami and vizard but the arrancar and hollow are on the same page? -- Noman953 5:36, 11 Feburary 2007
theres an espada page which is the main arrancar.. —Preceding
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06:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I think its because vizard and shinigami are different in abilities, power and status. Vizard do not consider themselves shinigami but instead ex-shinigami or vizard. Arrancars on the other hand are infact hollows just at a higher lvl than the ones seen before. Arrancars are produced by hollow on hollow assimilation. They just acquire a different name because of their huge power difference.
SrocOG —Preceding
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70.44.203.3 (
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19:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there any information on what happens if a vizard fails to control his/her inner hollow? 71.203.209.0 21:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It's clear that the vaizard are previous death gods and have the abilities of that kind. So the question that remains is can they or do they have bankai or even shikai for that matter? Both Manga and the anime has not been clear on this topic. 202.52.237.74 13:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Hiyori, Lisa, Masahiro, and Hachi were lieutenants. Everyone else was a captain. Only one captain has ever lacked a bankai. Ergo, some vizards have bankai besides Ichigo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 07:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The current image for this page is not the cover of a single issue of a comic book, as claimed by the licensing template, and no further source is given. It's also decidedly not a low-resolution image, and there's no specific fair use rationale. I am hoping that these problems can be easily corrected, but if not, it may be necessary to discuss deleting the image. Thoughts? Dekimasu よ! 17:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Should there be some info on the individual members of the Vizard beside their name, maybe even a picture of them, just a thought WhiteStrike 18:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
She has been shown with her hollow mask, and her Zanpakutō. We seen her fight. We have enough info for a page, so should she have her own page. thedarklonewolf
12 Squad Vice-Captain... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.233.140 ( talk) 21:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
No,no,no,NO! I am sick of these pointless articles that need to be merged! Don't make more! We did not even see her fight a real fight. That was just random Ichigo training. A fight is when you are fighting someone and you take it seriously. If Hiyori's fight with Ichigo was serious Ichigo would have wasted her. Del rayo ( talk) 21:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
OMG lets giev evr1 wit a hollo mask a paeg nao... owait WP:NOTABILITY fail StardustDragon 01:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm quite sure that Kensei Muguruma was captain of the Ninth division. You simply use process of elimination Yamamoto was captain of division one I'm quite sure Yoruichi was division two, of course she technically was just the leader of the stealth force, as Soifon was her copycat stalker, I'm quite sure she was Love was captain of divison three Captain of four, Unohada-senpai Hirako Shinji, Captain of division 5 Of course, then there's division six, but, it doesn't sound like his division (unfair assumption) Seven was Afro man, I forget his name already Eight- Kyoraku Nine- Not sure Ten- Met an "unfortunate end" eleven- a kenpachi twelve- Commonly known as "Urahara Kisuke" Thirteen- Some people call him Ukitake
More easily, in the recent manga you could clearly see that his shinigami hakama is sleveless, a characteristic of all the members of the Ninth Division. —Preceding
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189.152.31.168 (
talk)
03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
first of all Rose is 3rd Squad and Love is 7th. Sound reasoning but we can't be sure of 2, since it's never stated explicitly that Yoruichi was ever captain of 2nd squad. She was the previous commander of the Onmitsukidou as is Soi Fon, but it's never STATED that those two jobs are always held by the same person. 2nd, 6th and 9th are all still possibilities. As is 10th, really. There's nothing saying in the manga that Kensei isn't the 10th's replacement. In anycase, we can wait another week to find out. Don't make any changes. —Preceding
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Shinji also called the current Kenpachi a pig. Yeah, it could be Kyoraku or Ukitake. Del rayo ( talk) 22:56 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.226.212 ( talk)
-108, last panel of page 16 is the command to stand in formation. The current practice is, the captains line up from Old Man Yama, lowest to highest, odd numbered squads on left and even on right. The third panel of page 17 shows Kensei Muguruma standing next to 13th Squad Captain Ukitake, and across from Hiyori who is wearing a clearly visible 12th Squad Vice-Captain's insignia. Based on this, it looks like Kensei Muguruma is the Captain of Squad 11, and thus the 10th Kenpachi that Shinji refers to as a loose cannon. Just because Shinji refers to him in that manner now does not preclude them coming to know and respect each other later - just look at Ichigo and Renji.
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04:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
If you noticed there was no one next to Hiyori, and Kaien is not dead yet, so the formation's mean nothing. Del rayo ( talk) 04:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I saw those too. There was also a picture of the final captains lower face. Del rayo ( talk) 01:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
In the newest chapter, it's shown there's another unnamed captain, and Yoruichi is the captain of Division two. When you see the captains sstanding, Kensei is in the ninth captain's position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.178.21 ( talk) 00:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
There is hard evidence that Kensei was captain of 9th division: "Turn back the clock" part 5. His lieutenent is Kuna Mashiro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.151.91 ( talk) 07:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
As of chapter 317 the only ones that have been confirmed Captain status from 100 yeasrs ago are 1=Yamamoto 2=Yoruichi 3=Rose 4=Unohana 5=Shinji 7=Love 8=Shunsui 10="met an untimely demised" but does not say if he was replaced yet 12=newly apointed Kisuke 13=Joshiro, Also there is and unnamed older shinigami standing in the place where the 6 squad Captain would be (he is between Unohana and Shunsui and Kensei is standing between Love and Joshiro meaning he could be either the Captain for 9 or 11 squad. There is only 11 captains at the meeting and if we count the 10 squad as not having one yet (not stated that he hasn't been replaced yet) we can see that there is one Captain missing. WhiteStrike ( talk) 13:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Therefore what? We assume Kensei is the 9th captain? It was said the "Kenpachi" was off running somewhere around. There is one guy wearing the ginpaku scarf Byakuya wore, so perhaps he is a Kuchiki, but no reason given that he is the 6th Captain. Placing doesn't matter, people could just randomly move wherever they want. Speculation, speculation and speculation.-- Hana ichi 06:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I just want to say this whole discussion / war / whatever is just stupid. On the one hand, common sense tells us that he will be the 9th captain. I don't think anyone is going to be surprised at this. In fact, I think most people already accept this. Then you have the defenders of wikipedia who refuse to put this up because it's unverified.
While I agree/sympathize with the people who put up that Kensei is the 9th, I think both sides are WP:LAME here. erc talk/ contribs 08:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Just one point: in the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters, it is revealed that the 11th squad captain always takes the name Kenpachi. It is stated that he is not at the meeting where they induct Urahara Kisuke into their ranks, and he is referred to as odd. While not confirmed, I believe that the captain in question is none other than Zaraki. Therefore, Kensei would be the unconfirmed 9th Squad captain.
It says: "Likewise, her shinigami uniform during her time in the Gotei 13 had a shortened hakama resembling a skirt."
Lisa hasn't been shown, however, in the past 2 chapters other than the side of her face, like the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk) 01:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Should we mention how the soon-to-be Vizard, and only them, were the ones that went to the incident in Rukongai? 98.223.105.6 ( talk) 17:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, we know Kensei became some cross between Jason Voorhees and a Hollow. That's about it. StardustDragon 00:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouln't we put Love's real name, Rabu Aikawa, instead of Love Aikawa? Del rayo ( talk) 23:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Hirako's surname Hirako or is it Shinji?
I keep seeing his name rendered as "Shinji Hirako" and "Hirako Shinji", but never consistantly enough for me to tell if it is in Western order (given name 1st) or traditional East Asian order (surname 1st). The context of when his name is mentioned is somewhat ambigiuous too.
A surname ending in "-ko" is unusual, but not that improbable. For example, "Kaneko" is a common surname, but somewhat uncommon first name. A manga has a high chance of characters with uncommon names, so that probably surprised you. -- Revth 07:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The English manga dubs him "Shinji Hirako." StardustDragon 18:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems the name for the vizard transformation is called hollowization (虚化, horō-ka), if Dordonii is to be believed. Chapter 253, page 4. – Gunslinger47 05:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's hollowfication —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.178.21 ( talk) 22:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hollowification stands for when someone just became Vizard. Hollowization sounds more like something you can yell Hollowization! then TADAA!! MugenTaichou ( talk) 23:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The current revelations are huge certainly the fact that Shinji was Aizen's fmr Captain and that Rose and Love were also captains is enough to make them worthy of their own pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bushido Brown ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
the raw has come out. confirmed: Hirako[5th Division], Love[7th], Rose[3rd], and Kensei[unknown which Division as of yet] were former Captains. refer to pages 6, 10, 14, and 16 respectively for reference. Hiyori and Risa were Lieutenants of the 12th Division and the 8th Division, respectively. looks like the edits have been made anyway, so yeah.-- Chemicalist ( talk) 17:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
kesei was captain of either 2nd or 6th division. 1st,3rd,4th,5th,7th,8th,9th,10th,11th,12th, and 13th are all taken.(Tousen was a captain back then, look at chapter 146, that is a captain's haori;then again, kommamura was wearing a haori too, so...) Del rayo 15:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Del rayo ( talk • contribs)
TO add to that, yo uforgot about division six, and 2nd is probably Yoruichi-san
Why does someone keep changing it back to "rhinoceros"? have "you" seen a rhino skull?! it doesn't look anything like hiyori's mask... though i agree with the large central horn. it's more "HUMAN" skull-like. not all vizards mask look like skulls, even hollow's mask for that reason. were talking about something that would describe it without seeing the actual picture... so if it was described as a rhino's... then hiyori would have a rhino's head in her hollow form?! shouldn't it be a horned human-skull?-- Rcmtiongson ( talk) 08:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I distinctly remember picking up a copy of the volume that Shinji premiers in, flipping it open, and reading "We are the vizards. The masked army."— Loveはドコ? ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
How do we know this is his released form? StardustDragon 01:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Issue 315-05-104 page 14-15, He clearly releases, katana becomes a combat knife. End of story. 142.167.48.54 ( talk) 16:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
i know i spelt it wrong, but where was there any evidence that the orb of distortion could create vizards? to my knowledge the only reason the aizen used it to create arrancar, was that it took a huge amount of energy, to rip the masks off, and like an OMG ARRANNCCEAAAR MACHINE YARRDSH. he needed the energy, nothing else.
'Visoreds' as a plural form sounds terrible. Is this the plural form used in SJ? -- 76.105.46.252 ( talk) 02:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)