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The page says Ichigo became a shinigami and hollow at the same time, however he was a Shinigami long before he was a hollow (first chapter of the manga/episode of the anime). Even though those were "borrowed" powers, the zanpakuto he received was genuine and most likely (not sure if this has been mentioned/discussed or not) a sealed form of Zangetsu (as shown when he releases it during his training with Urahara). So I'm fixing the part that mentions him being half and half, as it's sort of obvious that he is a Vizard.
I say Ichigo is indeed a Vizard, he had semi-dormant shinigami powers all of his life due to being the son of a shinigami. Meeting with rukia/taking rukia's powers just gave him the ability to use a zanpakto and when he lost rukia's powers and awakened his own he got to keep his zanpakto the same exact zanpakto. He learned to control his hollow side the same as any Vizard and a mask forms over his head the same as any vizard -- Bushido Brown 02:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think there's another point to consider that's been overlooked- the details on Ichigo's zanpakutou while he's still going on his power "borrowed" from Rukia. Specifically, there are two things to observe- first, the size of the zanpakutou, clearly that is being affected by Ichigo's own innate power and not Rukia's, and secondly, the design of the tsuba on the sword, which is, in fact, pretty unmistakably Sode no Shirayuki's tsuba. Now from here I reason thusly- the zanpakutou is obviously on the surface Rukia's, as the tsuba shows, however beneath the apparent surface, it's Ichigo's. As his inner hollow tells him in chapter 218, both he and Zangetsu are Ichigo's power, meaning that if the size of his zanpakutou is a manifestation of Ichigo's power, the zanpakutou is Ichigo's Zangetsu. So therefore, put together, Ichigo's zanpakutou when he's running on borrowed power is, as a friend of mine once put it, "Zangetsu hiding in Sode no Shirayuki". He has his own zanpakutou from the start, just initially only through the means of borrowed power. -- ACDragonMaster 08:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Anonymous Ideas: if you remember when Ichigo turned into a hollow during his training, he tore off his hollow mask, and appeared to be shimigami, but the arranchar also had to tear off their hollow mask to attain their powers, so do you think Ichigo might be somehow a mix of both vaizard and arranchar? just an idea.
Ichigo is... Unique. While his powers are that of a vizard, how he got them is more like an arrancar (At least as I see it). However, if you must catagorize him, it would be in the vizard column. The reason for this is that Ichigo has the soul equivalent to Multiple-personalities. Hollow Ichigo is a seperate entity with in "normal" shinigami Ichigo. If you wanted to timeline it out, Ichigo starts as a normal human soul with the capability of becoming a Shinigami, which he does, by absorbing Rukia's powers. After those are removed, he goes back to being a normal soul, still with his previous dormant powers. During the attempt to find his own powers, Ichigo starts the process of becoming a hollow thus, forming Hollow Ichigo as an entity. Since he managed to hold his "normal" shinigami self together, he became, in effect, a vizard. At least, if all the vizard are like Ichigo in the respect that they have their hollow self embeded deep within them. As probable as that is, we can't say for sure yet, since we don't have any solid evidence. Ichigo isn't really anything like the arrancar, since his hollow is a different entity. In the end, if Ichigo wants to get even more possible power, he'll have to bridge the gap between vizard and arrancar (Much like he bridged the gap between hollow and shinigami), but that's probably a ways down the road. I'm going to end my personal thoughts on all this now, because I'm starting to loose the personal path of reason I was travelling on. SaviorEX 17:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I won't say much, so here goes. Arrancar have holes (like hollows). Vizards do not have holes (like shinigami). Ichigo does not have a hole, therefore the answer is obvious. Ichigo is not an arrancar, plain and simple, cut and dry. Silvie rob 05:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
To add to that, he has two releases of his zanpakuto, a shikai, and a bankai. In his bankai, do you see him becoming a hollow-like creature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.250.231.28 ( talk) 18:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
In reply to the previous comment the first time we see Ichigo gain bankai, he first fights against bakayua, and then becomes a HOLLOW like creature like the arrancar his power was released when he released his sword. He Is more than vizard and more than a arrancar. Ichigo Is his vizard form, for his robes bear the black of shinigami. When you see Oichigo(hollow within) he wears white robes just as the arrancar. ICHIGO IS A MIXTURE OF BOTH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.204.18 ( talk) 04:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
To the comments above I would assume that all of the Vizard have similar characteristics as the ones you describe Ichigo to have, I assume this because they themselves said that they went through the same process of defeating their hollow self. Concerning the Bakayua battle, while it is true he does exhibit hollow like characteristics this is because he had yet to control his hollow as described above. His hollow is not released when he releases his powers/bankai; his hollow is released when he is tired out and on the verge of loosing the battle. His inner hollow wears white robes because everything in Ichigo's mind is upside down remember. This was stated when he first went into his own mind and the buildings were right side up and but oddly the wrong way (if that makes sense)though the difference in arrancar and shinigami robes is evident and is meant to serve a purpose I dont think this is it. Aside; I while the acquisition of his hollow powers were odd concerning normal shinigami I wouldnt say it was similar to an arrancars. There is most likely no other way for a Vizard to be created, unless it is very similar. An arrancar if I remember is created by several stages of hollow on hollow assimilation. An arrancar is basically the toughest highest stage on the ladder. He is a Vizard and doesnt show any other symptoms of him not being so in combat, except that he cant or most likely at least doesnt know how to use Cero- SrocOG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.203.3 ( talk) 03:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think he "tore off" the mask at all, the mask was in the process of forming, he beat his hollow and it was just left on his face, like residue, rather than any actual part of him. It was more like a Visored mask that he can take on and off. Arrancar start as hollows, Visored start as shinigami, even if Ichigo wasn't a full shinigami at that point he still had those powers within him. His power is far closer to visored than any arrancar, he has no hole, no remnants of a mask. I just don't think he's even remotely like an arrancar. (also take into account that Urahara made the Visored and since we don't know the exact process he used to do it, maybe this was the process he used, or something similar? I certainly wouldn't put it past him to do it without saying anything.) 142.167.48.54 ( talk) 19:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Note should be paid to the fact that until he gained the hollow mask and zangetsu from training with Urahara he didn't really have a zanpakto per se. As Urahara said "it has a zanpakto shape and form, but none of the power." Which suggests that he would need Urahara's training if he ever wanted a released zanpakto at all.-- 74.131.128.220 ( talk) 15:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Do we have an official source that romanizes vaizād (ヴァイザード) as "Vizard"? As it is, people will not be able to pronounce it correctly at first glance. Why did the vai get changed to vi? – Gunslinger47 13:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I would think that it's "Vizard" because [ vizard] means "a mask or visor" in English, and Japanese, like all living languages, borrow words from other languages.
People don't pronounce wizard "whyzard", so I don't think this is the right spelling. -- Nate3000 05:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
If I might try to summarize the "vizard" vs "visored" vs "vaizard" with reasons going for and against both...
Personally I'd have to say that "visored" seems like a significantly more likely candidate than either of the others, although an official source of some kind would certainly be preferred in this case. Not that it should dictate what term is used in this article in the end, but conducting google searches using one of the three terms with "bleach" and "shinigami" added to focus the results seems to indicate that "vizard" is most commonly used on the net, followed by "vaizard", and then "visored" a very distant third. As much as I'd like to suggest we change the title of the page to "visored", it is arguably prudent to submit to the dominate fanbase convention until something more official surfaces. 67.189.77.106 21:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm well aware this discussion is outdated now, but would like to add, in case it might be of any use in the future, that whilst the archaic word 'vizard' means mask, the word 'visor' does not, and would usually mean either a kind of headband-with-a-cap such as golfers are prone to wear, or some elaborate sunglasses (funnily enough not unlike the kind that Renji is often seen with!). Rhiannoneva ( talk) 19:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
OK gotta apologise first, not knowing a thing about Wiki editing. But despite disliking the official translation I do buy the Official manga! (nothing beats the feel of a Manga in your hand) They spell it Vizard. I'm not gunna scan and upload it, but i'm sure you can find it somewhere on the net. I Doubt they'll change it in the anime (has the anime caught up yet?) Not-a-user: Tort 10:35am, 2 August 2008 (GMT)
The most common translation is vizard according to the episode and manga chapters on bleachportal.net who follows the official dattebayo site ( the publisher in japan) and can speak the language fairly well.bicentenialman97 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.14.212 ( talk) 23:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
why is his hollow inside more human and self aware then any other hollow encountered thus far —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.116.200 ( talk) 21:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
"The vizard are also rejected by hollows, due to their former status as Soul Reapers" nothing like this is ever stated in the manga or suggested seeing as a large faction of hollows have shinigami's as their leaders I would have to call that ;ine categorily false so i'm gonna remove it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.213.155 ( talk) 10:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I've spoken w/ many and they say vizard is the correct spelling. They think Visored is an outrage and should be corrected asap.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Missanime ( talk • contribs) 08:26, August 3, 2008 (UTC)
Ok, never mind, I'm reverting the edit. It is visored... Hyakurei ( talk) 19:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Shonen Jump has used "Vizard" in last month's issue. Maybe this means it's not entirely wrong? ( Skunkboy74 ( talk) 16:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC))
Sorry for what might sound like a noob question (as this situation hasn't really come up before), but does Wikipedia really have to follow the "official translations" if we know (or are pretty sure) they're wrong? Please don't take offense; this is a real question. For example, in the English DVD credits for Berserk, the translators proffered almost completely erroneous names for the God Hand, something like "Suran," "Yubikku," etc. However, knowing the correct spellings, the Wiki keeps them. Wikipedia is conceived of as a source of information, so shouldn't we try to weed out incorrect, if "official," forms? Viz, especially, keeps playing the revision game, it seems, whilst maintaining wholly-fabricated terms like "Doom Blast" to translate "Hollow Flash/Cero." Once again, this has never come up for me. I'd appreciate any guidance you can give me to better understand these situations. Adam Restling ( talk) 09:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Ahem... Let's see here... Aha! In book 21, page 142, Chapter 185 'Be My Family or Not', the term they use is Vizard, not this odd 'Visored' word that is used by the Wikipedia article. This book is published by VIZ, so therefore, the arguement saying that 'Visored' is the correct term because it's used by VIZ is null and void. I hope this settles any confusion, and if you believe I am wrong, please, crack open and Bleach 21, flip to the page mentioned above, and see for yourself. Oh, and as for phonetics, Suigetsu-sama, if every artical was phonetical, would 'Ulquiorra Schiffer' be spelled Urukeyorra Shhiffada? That's how it is pronounced in his voice recording by the Japanese actor. I believe, in internet terms, you just got 'PWNed' in that argurement. 12.227.228.41 ( talk) 22:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)Hatter
Shouldn't the Visoreds be added under the "list of Soul Reapers"? According to this article they are rogue Soul Reapers, but they are still Soul Reapers. This would be similar to how Arrancar are listed under Hollows, since they are technically Hollows. Also, you could remove their section from List of Bleach characters and put it under the Soul Reaper section. ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 18:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know why they say Hiyori's the leader. She would be the last person to be the leader. ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 13:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Why are we fighting? Seriusly? I mean, if you wanna go with exactly what the english says, then they need to be squad captains, no division. Why is it still division if we are going with the gay english translation? —Preceding
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Um, since when do Hollows and Arrancar work together? IIFRC, Hollows are usually solitary, and those under Aizen's command are basically slaves. The earlier point of Merging this article with the Shinigami article therefore still stands 162.83.174.85 ( talk) 18:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (AnimeNikkaJamal, too lazy to login)
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The page says Ichigo became a shinigami and hollow at the same time, however he was a Shinigami long before he was a hollow (first chapter of the manga/episode of the anime). Even though those were "borrowed" powers, the zanpakuto he received was genuine and most likely (not sure if this has been mentioned/discussed or not) a sealed form of Zangetsu (as shown when he releases it during his training with Urahara). So I'm fixing the part that mentions him being half and half, as it's sort of obvious that he is a Vizard.
I say Ichigo is indeed a Vizard, he had semi-dormant shinigami powers all of his life due to being the son of a shinigami. Meeting with rukia/taking rukia's powers just gave him the ability to use a zanpakto and when he lost rukia's powers and awakened his own he got to keep his zanpakto the same exact zanpakto. He learned to control his hollow side the same as any Vizard and a mask forms over his head the same as any vizard -- Bushido Brown 02:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think there's another point to consider that's been overlooked- the details on Ichigo's zanpakutou while he's still going on his power "borrowed" from Rukia. Specifically, there are two things to observe- first, the size of the zanpakutou, clearly that is being affected by Ichigo's own innate power and not Rukia's, and secondly, the design of the tsuba on the sword, which is, in fact, pretty unmistakably Sode no Shirayuki's tsuba. Now from here I reason thusly- the zanpakutou is obviously on the surface Rukia's, as the tsuba shows, however beneath the apparent surface, it's Ichigo's. As his inner hollow tells him in chapter 218, both he and Zangetsu are Ichigo's power, meaning that if the size of his zanpakutou is a manifestation of Ichigo's power, the zanpakutou is Ichigo's Zangetsu. So therefore, put together, Ichigo's zanpakutou when he's running on borrowed power is, as a friend of mine once put it, "Zangetsu hiding in Sode no Shirayuki". He has his own zanpakutou from the start, just initially only through the means of borrowed power. -- ACDragonMaster 08:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Anonymous Ideas: if you remember when Ichigo turned into a hollow during his training, he tore off his hollow mask, and appeared to be shimigami, but the arranchar also had to tear off their hollow mask to attain their powers, so do you think Ichigo might be somehow a mix of both vaizard and arranchar? just an idea.
Ichigo is... Unique. While his powers are that of a vizard, how he got them is more like an arrancar (At least as I see it). However, if you must catagorize him, it would be in the vizard column. The reason for this is that Ichigo has the soul equivalent to Multiple-personalities. Hollow Ichigo is a seperate entity with in "normal" shinigami Ichigo. If you wanted to timeline it out, Ichigo starts as a normal human soul with the capability of becoming a Shinigami, which he does, by absorbing Rukia's powers. After those are removed, he goes back to being a normal soul, still with his previous dormant powers. During the attempt to find his own powers, Ichigo starts the process of becoming a hollow thus, forming Hollow Ichigo as an entity. Since he managed to hold his "normal" shinigami self together, he became, in effect, a vizard. At least, if all the vizard are like Ichigo in the respect that they have their hollow self embeded deep within them. As probable as that is, we can't say for sure yet, since we don't have any solid evidence. Ichigo isn't really anything like the arrancar, since his hollow is a different entity. In the end, if Ichigo wants to get even more possible power, he'll have to bridge the gap between vizard and arrancar (Much like he bridged the gap between hollow and shinigami), but that's probably a ways down the road. I'm going to end my personal thoughts on all this now, because I'm starting to loose the personal path of reason I was travelling on. SaviorEX 17:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I won't say much, so here goes. Arrancar have holes (like hollows). Vizards do not have holes (like shinigami). Ichigo does not have a hole, therefore the answer is obvious. Ichigo is not an arrancar, plain and simple, cut and dry. Silvie rob 05:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
To add to that, he has two releases of his zanpakuto, a shikai, and a bankai. In his bankai, do you see him becoming a hollow-like creature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.250.231.28 ( talk) 18:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
In reply to the previous comment the first time we see Ichigo gain bankai, he first fights against bakayua, and then becomes a HOLLOW like creature like the arrancar his power was released when he released his sword. He Is more than vizard and more than a arrancar. Ichigo Is his vizard form, for his robes bear the black of shinigami. When you see Oichigo(hollow within) he wears white robes just as the arrancar. ICHIGO IS A MIXTURE OF BOTH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.204.18 ( talk) 04:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
To the comments above I would assume that all of the Vizard have similar characteristics as the ones you describe Ichigo to have, I assume this because they themselves said that they went through the same process of defeating their hollow self. Concerning the Bakayua battle, while it is true he does exhibit hollow like characteristics this is because he had yet to control his hollow as described above. His hollow is not released when he releases his powers/bankai; his hollow is released when he is tired out and on the verge of loosing the battle. His inner hollow wears white robes because everything in Ichigo's mind is upside down remember. This was stated when he first went into his own mind and the buildings were right side up and but oddly the wrong way (if that makes sense)though the difference in arrancar and shinigami robes is evident and is meant to serve a purpose I dont think this is it. Aside; I while the acquisition of his hollow powers were odd concerning normal shinigami I wouldnt say it was similar to an arrancars. There is most likely no other way for a Vizard to be created, unless it is very similar. An arrancar if I remember is created by several stages of hollow on hollow assimilation. An arrancar is basically the toughest highest stage on the ladder. He is a Vizard and doesnt show any other symptoms of him not being so in combat, except that he cant or most likely at least doesnt know how to use Cero- SrocOG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.203.3 ( talk) 03:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think he "tore off" the mask at all, the mask was in the process of forming, he beat his hollow and it was just left on his face, like residue, rather than any actual part of him. It was more like a Visored mask that he can take on and off. Arrancar start as hollows, Visored start as shinigami, even if Ichigo wasn't a full shinigami at that point he still had those powers within him. His power is far closer to visored than any arrancar, he has no hole, no remnants of a mask. I just don't think he's even remotely like an arrancar. (also take into account that Urahara made the Visored and since we don't know the exact process he used to do it, maybe this was the process he used, or something similar? I certainly wouldn't put it past him to do it without saying anything.) 142.167.48.54 ( talk) 19:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Note should be paid to the fact that until he gained the hollow mask and zangetsu from training with Urahara he didn't really have a zanpakto per se. As Urahara said "it has a zanpakto shape and form, but none of the power." Which suggests that he would need Urahara's training if he ever wanted a released zanpakto at all.-- 74.131.128.220 ( talk) 15:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Do we have an official source that romanizes vaizād (ヴァイザード) as "Vizard"? As it is, people will not be able to pronounce it correctly at first glance. Why did the vai get changed to vi? – Gunslinger47 13:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I would think that it's "Vizard" because [ vizard] means "a mask or visor" in English, and Japanese, like all living languages, borrow words from other languages.
People don't pronounce wizard "whyzard", so I don't think this is the right spelling. -- Nate3000 05:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
If I might try to summarize the "vizard" vs "visored" vs "vaizard" with reasons going for and against both...
Personally I'd have to say that "visored" seems like a significantly more likely candidate than either of the others, although an official source of some kind would certainly be preferred in this case. Not that it should dictate what term is used in this article in the end, but conducting google searches using one of the three terms with "bleach" and "shinigami" added to focus the results seems to indicate that "vizard" is most commonly used on the net, followed by "vaizard", and then "visored" a very distant third. As much as I'd like to suggest we change the title of the page to "visored", it is arguably prudent to submit to the dominate fanbase convention until something more official surfaces. 67.189.77.106 21:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm well aware this discussion is outdated now, but would like to add, in case it might be of any use in the future, that whilst the archaic word 'vizard' means mask, the word 'visor' does not, and would usually mean either a kind of headband-with-a-cap such as golfers are prone to wear, or some elaborate sunglasses (funnily enough not unlike the kind that Renji is often seen with!). Rhiannoneva ( talk) 19:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
OK gotta apologise first, not knowing a thing about Wiki editing. But despite disliking the official translation I do buy the Official manga! (nothing beats the feel of a Manga in your hand) They spell it Vizard. I'm not gunna scan and upload it, but i'm sure you can find it somewhere on the net. I Doubt they'll change it in the anime (has the anime caught up yet?) Not-a-user: Tort 10:35am, 2 August 2008 (GMT)
The most common translation is vizard according to the episode and manga chapters on bleachportal.net who follows the official dattebayo site ( the publisher in japan) and can speak the language fairly well.bicentenialman97 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.14.212 ( talk) 23:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
why is his hollow inside more human and self aware then any other hollow encountered thus far —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.116.200 ( talk) 21:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
"The vizard are also rejected by hollows, due to their former status as Soul Reapers" nothing like this is ever stated in the manga or suggested seeing as a large faction of hollows have shinigami's as their leaders I would have to call that ;ine categorily false so i'm gonna remove it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.213.155 ( talk) 10:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I've spoken w/ many and they say vizard is the correct spelling. They think Visored is an outrage and should be corrected asap.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Missanime ( talk • contribs) 08:26, August 3, 2008 (UTC)
Ok, never mind, I'm reverting the edit. It is visored... Hyakurei ( talk) 19:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Shonen Jump has used "Vizard" in last month's issue. Maybe this means it's not entirely wrong? ( Skunkboy74 ( talk) 16:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC))
Sorry for what might sound like a noob question (as this situation hasn't really come up before), but does Wikipedia really have to follow the "official translations" if we know (or are pretty sure) they're wrong? Please don't take offense; this is a real question. For example, in the English DVD credits for Berserk, the translators proffered almost completely erroneous names for the God Hand, something like "Suran," "Yubikku," etc. However, knowing the correct spellings, the Wiki keeps them. Wikipedia is conceived of as a source of information, so shouldn't we try to weed out incorrect, if "official," forms? Viz, especially, keeps playing the revision game, it seems, whilst maintaining wholly-fabricated terms like "Doom Blast" to translate "Hollow Flash/Cero." Once again, this has never come up for me. I'd appreciate any guidance you can give me to better understand these situations. Adam Restling ( talk) 09:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Ahem... Let's see here... Aha! In book 21, page 142, Chapter 185 'Be My Family or Not', the term they use is Vizard, not this odd 'Visored' word that is used by the Wikipedia article. This book is published by VIZ, so therefore, the arguement saying that 'Visored' is the correct term because it's used by VIZ is null and void. I hope this settles any confusion, and if you believe I am wrong, please, crack open and Bleach 21, flip to the page mentioned above, and see for yourself. Oh, and as for phonetics, Suigetsu-sama, if every artical was phonetical, would 'Ulquiorra Schiffer' be spelled Urukeyorra Shhiffada? That's how it is pronounced in his voice recording by the Japanese actor. I believe, in internet terms, you just got 'PWNed' in that argurement. 12.227.228.41 ( talk) 22:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)Hatter
Shouldn't the Visoreds be added under the "list of Soul Reapers"? According to this article they are rogue Soul Reapers, but they are still Soul Reapers. This would be similar to how Arrancar are listed under Hollows, since they are technically Hollows. Also, you could remove their section from List of Bleach characters and put it under the Soul Reaper section. ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 18:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know why they say Hiyori's the leader. She would be the last person to be the leader. ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 13:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Why are we fighting? Seriusly? I mean, if you wanna go with exactly what the english says, then they need to be squad captains, no division. Why is it still division if we are going with the gay english translation? —Preceding
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Um, since when do Hollows and Arrancar work together? IIFRC, Hollows are usually solitary, and those under Aizen's command are basically slaves. The earlier point of Merging this article with the Shinigami article therefore still stands 162.83.174.85 ( talk) 18:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (AnimeNikkaJamal, too lazy to login)