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According to Wikipedia itself political status of Taiwan is disputed - Political status of Taiwan. Unless the IP user (96.237.251.126) has some arguments to share (which I obviously want to read) then I'll consider that he is editing on a political agenda of one of the opposing sides in Taiwan political status dispute. So I open this discussion, where this editor can actually share the reasoning behind his edits instead of just blindly reverting. I have made some clarification to the article, but if that is not enough, please first discuss it here.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 20:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Unlike any of the other "territories" listed in the section, Taiwan is a sovereign country with its own democratically elected government, military, and laws. It is not administered by or part of any other country's territory. Even though China disputes the political status of Taiwan, when it comes to the Taiwanese government's entry requirements for United States citizens there is no differentiation from customs processes that other countries follow. No special permission is needed (from other entities) to visit Taiwan and US citizens need not seek entry to the country anywhere else except through official entry points or through overseas diplomatic missions. Taiwan itself is part of the Visa Waiver program of the US Government and therefore its citizens do not need a visa when entering the United states either. Again, there are no restrictions for US citizens to enter any area administered by Taiwan and they need not seek permission to visit the country from any other authority except that of the government of Taiwan. Therefore I would argue that Taiwan should be moved from the Dependent, Disputed, or Restricted territories section. Kowl00n ( talk) 17:15, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Taiwan is not a country even based on the constitution of the Republic of China.( talk) 23:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Kindly refrain from posting pro-communist Chinese lies here on Wikipedia. The country of Taiwan is officially known by it's official title of the
Republic of China (Taiwan) and it is in every way a dejure independent sovereign nation-state (aka. country). The Republic of China (Taiwan) officially declared the independence of their country in the year 1912 during the
Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty government of China and replaced it with what is now the
Republic of China (Taiwan) government which has been in existence for
107 years, much longer than the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) which was created in 1949 after the
Chinese Civil War which split and divide the once single unified country of "China" into the two separate independent "Chinese" countries that exist today, the
communis
People's Republic of China (PRC) and the
democratic
industrialized
developed country of the
Republic of China (Taiwan), a situation very similar to that of communist
North Korea and democratic
South Korea. Taiwan is NOT defacto independent as the communist Chinese influenced media commonly reports, it's nothing more than a distorted campaign of confusion and information war waged by the communist Chinese propaganda 50 cent army of the
People's Republic of China (PRC) who are edited virtually all the Taiwan related pages to be pro-communist China. The historical facts cannot be ignored or distorted, the independent sovereign country of the Republic of China (Taiwan) officially declared their dejure independence and sovereignty of their country in the year 1912 and the official declaration is still there on Google for everyone to see. And just because the
democratic
Republic of China (Taiwan) lost their territory in
mainland China to the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) during the
Chinese Civil War does not reduce their independence or sovereignty in any way whatsoever. If the
United States of America had lost the American Civil War to the
Confederate States of America and President Abraham Lincoln had relocated the country of the
United States of America to the island of Hawaii while the
Confederate States of America took over all of the mainland territory of the American continent, would the
United States of America still be a sovereign independent country in this hypothetical scenario? Of course it would, the Confederate States of America (CSA) taking over the mainland of the American continent does not in any way take away the sovereignty and independence of the United States of America (USA) and as long as the USA maintained their own President, government and military forces they are independent. And in the same way, the
democratic
Republic of China (Taiwan) lost their territory in
mainland China to the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) but because the Republic of China (Taiwan) had officially declared their independence in 1912, combined with the fact that the
Republic of China (Taiwan) continued to have their own elected president, government and powerful military forces, the
democratic
industrialized
developed country of the
Republic of China (Taiwan), commonly known simply as
Taiwan, has continued to exist for over 107 years as a dejure independent sovereign country, and the communist Chinese have never controlled Taiwan, not even for one second. And this is an indisputed fact!
180.182.154.217 (
talk)
17:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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1.)
China stepping up disinformation war against Taiwan
2.)
Taiwan Navy fires nuclear missile at China
3.)
Taiwan's Hsiungfeng III "Anti-China" missiles are faster than the Brahmos missile
4.)
Taiwan Navy fires hypersonic missile at fishing vessel as tensions it enemy China ratcheted up
5.)
Satellite images reveal Taiwan's land attack cruise missiles
6.)
Taiwan's Wan Chien "Ten Thousand Swords" cruise missile capable of striking China's coastal bases is now operational
7.)
Taiwan deploys Apache attack helicopters to defend against enemy landing corps
8.)
International airlines forced by China to refer to Taiwan as "part of China"
9.)
Taiwan to field new radar systems to tackle Chinese fighter jets
10.)
Taiwan's advanced Sky Sword II missiles to tackle Chinese fighter jets
11.)
Taiwan to upgrade Yunfeng "Cloud Peak" missiles for launching satellites
12.)
Taiwan to mass produce missiles to counter China
13.)
Taiwan's Navy likely to get 60 Stealth mini-missile assault boats by 2022
14.)
Taiwan's Navy plans to build new aircraft carrier
15.)
Taiwan launches submarine building project to counter China invasion threats
16.)
Taiwan owns missiles that can destroy China's invasion bases
17.)
Taiwan prepared to build aircraft carrier to scare China
18.)
Taiwan's Navy builds new aircraft carriers
19.)
Taiwan steps up production of missiles to create asymmetric advantage over China military build-up
219.174.200.20 (
talk)
12:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Although what you are saying does not seem to be true, it's still not relevant for this article. The only question here is whether this territory is disputed or not. Not who disputes it, why, whether it's the "communists" or "democrats" or someone else, it's also not about the South China Seas, or defining things as "bullying tactics, intimidation and economic warfare", "take over of Siberian Russia", reasoning behind the dispute, the Island Chain Strategy, or any other thing you popped in there. It's literally just about the objective measure, and also consensus. Objective answer to whether this territory is significantly disputed is yes, and consensus is to keep it out of the main table which is reserved for UN member states only which the ROC has not been since 1971. Nothing else, nothing more. This is not the page for settling the dispute itself for sure.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 00:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
This argument is ridiculous. Maybe list Taiwan in both sections and leave the political rumblings aside? (And lest my username confuse anyone, I’m not Chinese. It’s merely a hanzi version of Wesley, given me by a Chinese-American friend.) 伟思礼 ( talk) 06:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I think the entry here for Afghanistan is out of date. Not sure if travel is allowed by the Taliban or US government at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YQUVWynjszHUwDzv ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
The reference cited for Guernsey does not mention USA but USA is included in the group that "may require entry clearance." That page points to a requirements document that also does not mention USA in either the visa required or visa not required sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 伟思礼 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
The map seems to not be quite legible for colorblind users, particularly the four greens. The map is also used on United States passport and it seems someone brought this up back in March 2021. Pinging @ Lades2222: since you last updated the file, and @ Getsnoopy: since you are the author of the file. Soulbust ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Kosovo has, on several occasions, been moved to the "Territories or administrative subdivisions with different visa policies". Kosovo is neither a territory or an administrative subdivision. It is a de facto sovereign state, and is recognised as such but the United States. Taiwan(ROC) and both Koreas are included in the main table, and they also have disputes over sovereignty. It should be included in the main table. –DMartin 18:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I think the only items that should be coloured black in this column are countries where it isn to possible to obtain a visa. This is an article on visa restrictions, which by definition are imposed by the destination country. Especially regarding Cuba. Yes there are restrictions, but it's still perfectly possible for US Citizens to visit Cuba. –DMartin 04:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
ETA is decidedly not visa free, since they require you to apply for what is essentially a visa before leaving, and usually pay a fee as well. Visa free is a simple concept, you show up at the border, hand over your passport (or in the UK scan it using a machine) and assuming you aren't found on the database they check, you are most likely let in. ETA is not the same thing as this. ETA should have its own color, or just be colored with visa required. Stidmatt ( talk) 09:33, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
It is possible to obtain a Bolivian tourist visa upon arrival in airports and at land borders. US citizens do not need to get one in advance. Syria is also currently issuing visas for US citizens again since 2023. 181.42.45.176 ( talk) 00:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Old suspended programs, from before pandemic, are they even valid? I dunno what source is authoritative 2607:FB91:689:4CBE:442C:E6D6:0:648 ( talk) 04:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I changed the former reference 293 because the previous citation (1) did NOT say "generally advised," it implied required and (2) it was about Europe and Asia and said nothing about US citizens. 伟思礼 ( talk) 15:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m sure it’s true that “Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan count as third countries” for China’s TWOV, but I’d really like to see a citation. I wanted to put citation needed on it, but I have no idea what to do with a "transcoded section template.” 伟思礼 ( talk) 02:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
The U.S. State Department was wrong on the length of stay in Belize, so I corrected the number and changed the citation to an actual Belize government site. Might be worth checking whether similar errors are on other countries. Also, Timatic is a secondary source, but in this case, it apparently redirects to the primary source. 伟思礼 ( talk) 17:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
"American citizens are eligible for a ten-year, multiple-entry tourist visa" may be true, but the article that was cited does NOT say so. I changed it to something more relevant. 伟思礼 ( talk) 06:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
According to Wikipedia itself political status of Taiwan is disputed - Political status of Taiwan. Unless the IP user (96.237.251.126) has some arguments to share (which I obviously want to read) then I'll consider that he is editing on a political agenda of one of the opposing sides in Taiwan political status dispute. So I open this discussion, where this editor can actually share the reasoning behind his edits instead of just blindly reverting. I have made some clarification to the article, but if that is not enough, please first discuss it here.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 20:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Unlike any of the other "territories" listed in the section, Taiwan is a sovereign country with its own democratically elected government, military, and laws. It is not administered by or part of any other country's territory. Even though China disputes the political status of Taiwan, when it comes to the Taiwanese government's entry requirements for United States citizens there is no differentiation from customs processes that other countries follow. No special permission is needed (from other entities) to visit Taiwan and US citizens need not seek entry to the country anywhere else except through official entry points or through overseas diplomatic missions. Taiwan itself is part of the Visa Waiver program of the US Government and therefore its citizens do not need a visa when entering the United states either. Again, there are no restrictions for US citizens to enter any area administered by Taiwan and they need not seek permission to visit the country from any other authority except that of the government of Taiwan. Therefore I would argue that Taiwan should be moved from the Dependent, Disputed, or Restricted territories section. Kowl00n ( talk) 17:15, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Taiwan is not a country even based on the constitution of the Republic of China.( talk) 23:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Kindly refrain from posting pro-communist Chinese lies here on Wikipedia. The country of Taiwan is officially known by it's official title of the
Republic of China (Taiwan) and it is in every way a dejure independent sovereign nation-state (aka. country). The Republic of China (Taiwan) officially declared the independence of their country in the year 1912 during the
Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the previous Qing Dynasty government of China and replaced it with what is now the
Republic of China (Taiwan) government which has been in existence for
107 years, much longer than the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) which was created in 1949 after the
Chinese Civil War which split and divide the once single unified country of "China" into the two separate independent "Chinese" countries that exist today, the
communis
People's Republic of China (PRC) and the
democratic
industrialized
developed country of the
Republic of China (Taiwan), a situation very similar to that of communist
North Korea and democratic
South Korea. Taiwan is NOT defacto independent as the communist Chinese influenced media commonly reports, it's nothing more than a distorted campaign of confusion and information war waged by the communist Chinese propaganda 50 cent army of the
People's Republic of China (PRC) who are edited virtually all the Taiwan related pages to be pro-communist China. The historical facts cannot be ignored or distorted, the independent sovereign country of the Republic of China (Taiwan) officially declared their dejure independence and sovereignty of their country in the year 1912 and the official declaration is still there on Google for everyone to see. And just because the
democratic
Republic of China (Taiwan) lost their territory in
mainland China to the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) during the
Chinese Civil War does not reduce their independence or sovereignty in any way whatsoever. If the
United States of America had lost the American Civil War to the
Confederate States of America and President Abraham Lincoln had relocated the country of the
United States of America to the island of Hawaii while the
Confederate States of America took over all of the mainland territory of the American continent, would the
United States of America still be a sovereign independent country in this hypothetical scenario? Of course it would, the Confederate States of America (CSA) taking over the mainland of the American continent does not in any way take away the sovereignty and independence of the United States of America (USA) and as long as the USA maintained their own President, government and military forces they are independent. And in the same way, the
democratic
Republic of China (Taiwan) lost their territory in
mainland China to the
communist
People's Republic of China (PRC) but because the Republic of China (Taiwan) had officially declared their independence in 1912, combined with the fact that the
Republic of China (Taiwan) continued to have their own elected president, government and powerful military forces, the
democratic
industrialized
developed country of the
Republic of China (Taiwan), commonly known simply as
Taiwan, has continued to exist for over 107 years as a dejure independent sovereign country, and the communist Chinese have never controlled Taiwan, not even for one second. And this is an indisputed fact!
180.182.154.217 (
talk)
17:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
.
1.)
China stepping up disinformation war against Taiwan
2.)
Taiwan Navy fires nuclear missile at China
3.)
Taiwan's Hsiungfeng III "Anti-China" missiles are faster than the Brahmos missile
4.)
Taiwan Navy fires hypersonic missile at fishing vessel as tensions it enemy China ratcheted up
5.)
Satellite images reveal Taiwan's land attack cruise missiles
6.)
Taiwan's Wan Chien "Ten Thousand Swords" cruise missile capable of striking China's coastal bases is now operational
7.)
Taiwan deploys Apache attack helicopters to defend against enemy landing corps
8.)
International airlines forced by China to refer to Taiwan as "part of China"
9.)
Taiwan to field new radar systems to tackle Chinese fighter jets
10.)
Taiwan's advanced Sky Sword II missiles to tackle Chinese fighter jets
11.)
Taiwan to upgrade Yunfeng "Cloud Peak" missiles for launching satellites
12.)
Taiwan to mass produce missiles to counter China
13.)
Taiwan's Navy likely to get 60 Stealth mini-missile assault boats by 2022
14.)
Taiwan's Navy plans to build new aircraft carrier
15.)
Taiwan launches submarine building project to counter China invasion threats
16.)
Taiwan owns missiles that can destroy China's invasion bases
17.)
Taiwan prepared to build aircraft carrier to scare China
18.)
Taiwan's Navy builds new aircraft carriers
19.)
Taiwan steps up production of missiles to create asymmetric advantage over China military build-up
219.174.200.20 (
talk)
12:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Although what you are saying does not seem to be true, it's still not relevant for this article. The only question here is whether this territory is disputed or not. Not who disputes it, why, whether it's the "communists" or "democrats" or someone else, it's also not about the South China Seas, or defining things as "bullying tactics, intimidation and economic warfare", "take over of Siberian Russia", reasoning behind the dispute, the Island Chain Strategy, or any other thing you popped in there. It's literally just about the objective measure, and also consensus. Objective answer to whether this territory is significantly disputed is yes, and consensus is to keep it out of the main table which is reserved for UN member states only which the ROC has not been since 1971. Nothing else, nothing more. This is not the page for settling the dispute itself for sure.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 00:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
This argument is ridiculous. Maybe list Taiwan in both sections and leave the political rumblings aside? (And lest my username confuse anyone, I’m not Chinese. It’s merely a hanzi version of Wesley, given me by a Chinese-American friend.) 伟思礼 ( talk) 06:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I think the entry here for Afghanistan is out of date. Not sure if travel is allowed by the Taliban or US government at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YQUVWynjszHUwDzv ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
The reference cited for Guernsey does not mention USA but USA is included in the group that "may require entry clearance." That page points to a requirements document that also does not mention USA in either the visa required or visa not required sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 伟思礼 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
The map seems to not be quite legible for colorblind users, particularly the four greens. The map is also used on United States passport and it seems someone brought this up back in March 2021. Pinging @ Lades2222: since you last updated the file, and @ Getsnoopy: since you are the author of the file. Soulbust ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Kosovo has, on several occasions, been moved to the "Territories or administrative subdivisions with different visa policies". Kosovo is neither a territory or an administrative subdivision. It is a de facto sovereign state, and is recognised as such but the United States. Taiwan(ROC) and both Koreas are included in the main table, and they also have disputes over sovereignty. It should be included in the main table. –DMartin 18:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I think the only items that should be coloured black in this column are countries where it isn to possible to obtain a visa. This is an article on visa restrictions, which by definition are imposed by the destination country. Especially regarding Cuba. Yes there are restrictions, but it's still perfectly possible for US Citizens to visit Cuba. –DMartin 04:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
ETA is decidedly not visa free, since they require you to apply for what is essentially a visa before leaving, and usually pay a fee as well. Visa free is a simple concept, you show up at the border, hand over your passport (or in the UK scan it using a machine) and assuming you aren't found on the database they check, you are most likely let in. ETA is not the same thing as this. ETA should have its own color, or just be colored with visa required. Stidmatt ( talk) 09:33, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
It is possible to obtain a Bolivian tourist visa upon arrival in airports and at land borders. US citizens do not need to get one in advance. Syria is also currently issuing visas for US citizens again since 2023. 181.42.45.176 ( talk) 00:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Old suspended programs, from before pandemic, are they even valid? I dunno what source is authoritative 2607:FB91:689:4CBE:442C:E6D6:0:648 ( talk) 04:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I changed the former reference 293 because the previous citation (1) did NOT say "generally advised," it implied required and (2) it was about Europe and Asia and said nothing about US citizens. 伟思礼 ( talk) 15:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m sure it’s true that “Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan count as third countries” for China’s TWOV, but I’d really like to see a citation. I wanted to put citation needed on it, but I have no idea what to do with a "transcoded section template.” 伟思礼 ( talk) 02:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
The U.S. State Department was wrong on the length of stay in Belize, so I corrected the number and changed the citation to an actual Belize government site. Might be worth checking whether similar errors are on other countries. Also, Timatic is a secondary source, but in this case, it apparently redirects to the primary source. 伟思礼 ( talk) 17:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
"American citizens are eligible for a ten-year, multiple-entry tourist visa" may be true, but the article that was cited does NOT say so. I changed it to something more relevant. 伟思礼 ( talk) 06:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)