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this should be "up to 90 days - extendable for further 90 days" as with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_citizens see source: http://cglondres.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/tourist_visa.xml — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.242.214 ( talk) 22:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Surely saying that Australia and Brunei don't allow full reciprocity is a bit of a stretch. They allow 90 days while we allow 89 to 92 days depending on the months involved. I'd also suggest colouring amber those states which allow visa free access but for shorter periods that Ireland allows for their citizens. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 15:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
am i wrong or is Russia missing from the list? neither europe nor asia, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.22.75.87 ( talk) 01:46, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
An odd one to leave off the list. They issue for 90 days and longer if you are on business. 2011 it costs €50, and €100 if you have to have it in 24 hours. 86.42.200.4 ( talk) 08:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians,
Please change Australia to some color other than grey (which according to the map key, means (only) Visa required (before arrival)). Since Australia apparently grants essentially visa-free entry (only the electronic/ online 'pre-authorization' is required) to Irish pp holders for a 90-day stay, it would seem the most appropriate color is the Green, like virtually all the Americas are colored.
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can you change the vietnam requirements for irish citizens, they do in fact need a visa. it must be gotten beforehand if arriving by land or can be gotten on arrival if arriving by air, subject to an online pre-approval. cost varies from 50-80$US
89.16.91.174 ( talk) 13:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
A brief comparison of the maps seems to indicate that (ignoring the complications of Hong Kong nationals and the difference between British citizens and British nationals) the only major difference between the two is that Australia allows a 90 day online advance visa but British citizens get it free and Irish citizens must pay - that Australia would be the main difference seems odd to me. Is this true?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.193.168 ( talk) 00:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Syria grants visas on arrival to certain countries in which it does not have an embassy. This includes Ireland, and I've got one there before. Vietnam on the other hand requires Irish citizens to have a visa, there is a list of European countries that don't need one but Ireland IS NOT on that list, and I have personal experience of being refused at the border. Laos is $35, not $30. Blorg ( talk) 15:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
The main difference seems to be that now Arabs need a visa. Of course, who knows how it works in practice. Best, 197.162.105.180 ( talk) 20:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Considering you can read Arabic could you please investigate further? For an example what happened to visa on arrival for ex Soviet citizens and citizens of Iran and Malaysia (where Syria mostly has missions). This was the visa policy before the law was changed - File:Visa policy of Syria.png. Maybe you can find the text of the law itself.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 21:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
What possible sense can be have to include in a page about visa requirements for Irish citizens, copious details about non-visa requirements? All the more so given that these requirements are generic without any specific relevance to Irish citizens. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 18:28, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Where is this on the list? Mike Galvin ( talk) 00:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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The Henley Passport Index is presently unreliable as a source. The de-facto authority on passport values (passportindex.org) lists an Ireland passport as presently more 'valuable' than a British one, citing clear evidence (this is just one example of many). I believe Ireland. comes out ahead by 165 to 164. Unlike Henley, passportindex publish, clear, detailed evidence, on a country by country basis.
It also has a facility where the just the DIFFERENCES between two passports can be looked at, and this facility clearly shows which countries one passport can enter, but the other can not. Much clearer, much more accurate.
As things stand, I believe the Ireland Passport would rank second, or possibly third, globally. The only country I could see with a higher value was Singapore.
But this article is completely incorrect. Mike Galvin ( talk) 17:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
I am in no way involved with passportindex.org, nor am I trying to "promote" it. Nor am I certain what you mean by a "skewed methodology". The values assigned are based on hard, verifiable, clearly stated and up-to-the-minute evidence, sourced from embassies worldwide. For the cynical amongst us, there is a facility which allows the user to compare the visa requirement differences between two passports precisely, which makes the data even clearer. With this facility, again, the relevant details are clearly stated. Henley offers nothing like this, merely "a list" of fairly dubious provenance with no supporting data. I wonder why you would choose Henley as a more reliable source. Their organisation is primarily concerned with relocating businessess and businesspeople globally, and they tout for business in that sector alone. For a long time, they were regarded as an "authority" on passport values, but only because they were the only company bothered to do this. Better companies have exposed them, somewhat. I repeat that Henley data is eliable. Make your point again with supporting evidence. Mike Galvin ( talk) 11:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
UAE does indeed have the world's most powerful passport since last year. Perhaps you missed The Independent (UK) article on this. It received coverage in several other reputable newspapers also. There is nothing to suggest that Arton cross-references HDI information with hard passport data. There may, as you suggest, be one or two anomalies in their product, but these are small. Again, the data supporting their rankings is explicit and specific. Henley provides nothing, other than "a list" - no thanks. Here's my list. The Gambia has the world's #1 passport. Why? Because I made a list. See the problem? I've checked you out and understand you feel proprietorial about all this, but aside from a bogus and unsupported accusation that Arton compromises its own data, I don't think you've made a case for Henley. And you're extremely fucking rude. Mike Galvin ( talk) 13:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Interesting that Independent journalists would use Passport Index as a credible source, or would seek to publicise findings that you deem bogus. Are THEY part of the conspiracy as well? Finally - and I don't mean this as a "personal attack", but are you special needs? The Passport Index format could scarcely be clearer. It lists each passport, the present status of which is referenced against each destination country, thus eliciting an empirical result that is not subject to interpretation, deeper analysis or your mood swings. What part of this do you not understand? If they're using HDI data (in 2015?) they're concealing the fact rather well, since the site focuses ruthlessly on admission status/visa requirements - and nothing else. There are NO references to HDI, at least not in the direct sense you imply, beyond HDI having an obvious effect on the value of a nation's passport. As for your "five solid examples", my experience of the Emirates is that they likely have unique arrangements in place that you may not be privy to, or indeed even understand (Gazillions in oil money tends to have that effect), but that Arton are aware of. Or did you REALLY think the whole thing was a joke on the public. I say again; Henley is redundant. And I happen to know they're currently in the process of amending several of their rankings based on passport index research and findings. Mike Galvin ( talk) 21:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
What goes on a talk-page doesn't need to be "verified", Dumbass. It's peripheral conversation, not core to article. I got the information from a friend who works in a division of Henley (unrelated to passport rankings, though aware of what goes on there). They'll shortly amend certain information, and then it will be "verifiable". Won't it. Mike Galvin ( talk) 12:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I would interpret "proprietary sources" to mean extreme hard work and diligent research from a broad range of relevant sources to assign rankings. If given a choice between that and sloppy, incomplete IATA data as barometer, I would likely side with the former. I don't see anything "murky" about proprietary research. Why would there be a need for "murkiness", which by its very tone, implies corruption? Where is the incentive? Or are you suggesting that Arton has a list of 'favourite countries'. On goes the conspiracy theory. Mike Galvin ( talk) 23:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
It appears that IATA, on whose data Henley principally relies have a presence in 117 countries, with a presumptive level of expertise in visa requirements for those places. Since there are currently 195 countries in existence, this may be somewhat problematic. Mike Galvin ( talk) 15:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
The article states 'Maldives — With the exception of the capital Malé, tourists are generally prohibited from visiting non-resort islands without the express permission of the Government of Maldives.[278]'
In 2009, the law was changed to permit tourism on local islands. No special government permission is required and there is no prohibition from visiting a local island. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20150526-a-maldives-you-can-actually-afford, https://www.responsibletravel.com/holidays/maldives/travel-guide/keeping-things-local-on-the-maldives
185.5.48.130 ( talk) 17:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
It's been 12 months since the Irish passport was updated regarding visas... Currently in joint 5th place with 188. Please amend. 176.61.76.228 ( talk) 10:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
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this should be "up to 90 days - extendable for further 90 days" as with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_citizens see source: http://cglondres.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/tourist_visa.xml — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.242.214 ( talk) 22:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Surely saying that Australia and Brunei don't allow full reciprocity is a bit of a stretch. They allow 90 days while we allow 89 to 92 days depending on the months involved. I'd also suggest colouring amber those states which allow visa free access but for shorter periods that Ireland allows for their citizens. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 15:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
am i wrong or is Russia missing from the list? neither europe nor asia, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.22.75.87 ( talk) 01:46, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
An odd one to leave off the list. They issue for 90 days and longer if you are on business. 2011 it costs €50, and €100 if you have to have it in 24 hours. 86.42.200.4 ( talk) 08:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians,
Please change Australia to some color other than grey (which according to the map key, means (only) Visa required (before arrival)). Since Australia apparently grants essentially visa-free entry (only the electronic/ online 'pre-authorization' is required) to Irish pp holders for a 90-day stay, it would seem the most appropriate color is the Green, like virtually all the Americas are colored.
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can you change the vietnam requirements for irish citizens, they do in fact need a visa. it must be gotten beforehand if arriving by land or can be gotten on arrival if arriving by air, subject to an online pre-approval. cost varies from 50-80$US
89.16.91.174 ( talk) 13:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
A brief comparison of the maps seems to indicate that (ignoring the complications of Hong Kong nationals and the difference between British citizens and British nationals) the only major difference between the two is that Australia allows a 90 day online advance visa but British citizens get it free and Irish citizens must pay - that Australia would be the main difference seems odd to me. Is this true?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.193.168 ( talk) 00:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Syria grants visas on arrival to certain countries in which it does not have an embassy. This includes Ireland, and I've got one there before. Vietnam on the other hand requires Irish citizens to have a visa, there is a list of European countries that don't need one but Ireland IS NOT on that list, and I have personal experience of being refused at the border. Laos is $35, not $30. Blorg ( talk) 15:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
The main difference seems to be that now Arabs need a visa. Of course, who knows how it works in practice. Best, 197.162.105.180 ( talk) 20:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Considering you can read Arabic could you please investigate further? For an example what happened to visa on arrival for ex Soviet citizens and citizens of Iran and Malaysia (where Syria mostly has missions). This was the visa policy before the law was changed - File:Visa policy of Syria.png. Maybe you can find the text of the law itself.-- Twofortnights ( talk) 21:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
What possible sense can be have to include in a page about visa requirements for Irish citizens, copious details about non-visa requirements? All the more so given that these requirements are generic without any specific relevance to Irish citizens. — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 18:28, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Where is this on the list? Mike Galvin ( talk) 00:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 04:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
The Henley Passport Index is presently unreliable as a source. The de-facto authority on passport values (passportindex.org) lists an Ireland passport as presently more 'valuable' than a British one, citing clear evidence (this is just one example of many). I believe Ireland. comes out ahead by 165 to 164. Unlike Henley, passportindex publish, clear, detailed evidence, on a country by country basis.
It also has a facility where the just the DIFFERENCES between two passports can be looked at, and this facility clearly shows which countries one passport can enter, but the other can not. Much clearer, much more accurate.
As things stand, I believe the Ireland Passport would rank second, or possibly third, globally. The only country I could see with a higher value was Singapore.
But this article is completely incorrect. Mike Galvin ( talk) 17:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
I am in no way involved with passportindex.org, nor am I trying to "promote" it. Nor am I certain what you mean by a "skewed methodology". The values assigned are based on hard, verifiable, clearly stated and up-to-the-minute evidence, sourced from embassies worldwide. For the cynical amongst us, there is a facility which allows the user to compare the visa requirement differences between two passports precisely, which makes the data even clearer. With this facility, again, the relevant details are clearly stated. Henley offers nothing like this, merely "a list" of fairly dubious provenance with no supporting data. I wonder why you would choose Henley as a more reliable source. Their organisation is primarily concerned with relocating businessess and businesspeople globally, and they tout for business in that sector alone. For a long time, they were regarded as an "authority" on passport values, but only because they were the only company bothered to do this. Better companies have exposed them, somewhat. I repeat that Henley data is eliable. Make your point again with supporting evidence. Mike Galvin ( talk) 11:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
UAE does indeed have the world's most powerful passport since last year. Perhaps you missed The Independent (UK) article on this. It received coverage in several other reputable newspapers also. There is nothing to suggest that Arton cross-references HDI information with hard passport data. There may, as you suggest, be one or two anomalies in their product, but these are small. Again, the data supporting their rankings is explicit and specific. Henley provides nothing, other than "a list" - no thanks. Here's my list. The Gambia has the world's #1 passport. Why? Because I made a list. See the problem? I've checked you out and understand you feel proprietorial about all this, but aside from a bogus and unsupported accusation that Arton compromises its own data, I don't think you've made a case for Henley. And you're extremely fucking rude. Mike Galvin ( talk) 13:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Interesting that Independent journalists would use Passport Index as a credible source, or would seek to publicise findings that you deem bogus. Are THEY part of the conspiracy as well? Finally - and I don't mean this as a "personal attack", but are you special needs? The Passport Index format could scarcely be clearer. It lists each passport, the present status of which is referenced against each destination country, thus eliciting an empirical result that is not subject to interpretation, deeper analysis or your mood swings. What part of this do you not understand? If they're using HDI data (in 2015?) they're concealing the fact rather well, since the site focuses ruthlessly on admission status/visa requirements - and nothing else. There are NO references to HDI, at least not in the direct sense you imply, beyond HDI having an obvious effect on the value of a nation's passport. As for your "five solid examples", my experience of the Emirates is that they likely have unique arrangements in place that you may not be privy to, or indeed even understand (Gazillions in oil money tends to have that effect), but that Arton are aware of. Or did you REALLY think the whole thing was a joke on the public. I say again; Henley is redundant. And I happen to know they're currently in the process of amending several of their rankings based on passport index research and findings. Mike Galvin ( talk) 21:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
What goes on a talk-page doesn't need to be "verified", Dumbass. It's peripheral conversation, not core to article. I got the information from a friend who works in a division of Henley (unrelated to passport rankings, though aware of what goes on there). They'll shortly amend certain information, and then it will be "verifiable". Won't it. Mike Galvin ( talk) 12:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I would interpret "proprietary sources" to mean extreme hard work and diligent research from a broad range of relevant sources to assign rankings. If given a choice between that and sloppy, incomplete IATA data as barometer, I would likely side with the former. I don't see anything "murky" about proprietary research. Why would there be a need for "murkiness", which by its very tone, implies corruption? Where is the incentive? Or are you suggesting that Arton has a list of 'favourite countries'. On goes the conspiracy theory. Mike Galvin ( talk) 23:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
It appears that IATA, on whose data Henley principally relies have a presence in 117 countries, with a presumptive level of expertise in visa requirements for those places. Since there are currently 195 countries in existence, this may be somewhat problematic. Mike Galvin ( talk) 15:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
The article states 'Maldives — With the exception of the capital Malé, tourists are generally prohibited from visiting non-resort islands without the express permission of the Government of Maldives.[278]'
In 2009, the law was changed to permit tourism on local islands. No special government permission is required and there is no prohibition from visiting a local island. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20150526-a-maldives-you-can-actually-afford, https://www.responsibletravel.com/holidays/maldives/travel-guide/keeping-things-local-on-the-maldives
185.5.48.130 ( talk) 17:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
It's been 12 months since the Irish passport was updated regarding visas... Currently in joint 5th place with 188. Please amend. 176.61.76.228 ( talk) 10:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)