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This doesn't fit the established criteria for a spree killer, at least with the information currently available.
A news reported (opinionist really) threw the idea out that this started as a passion crime (since the original shooting was only in 1 room and caused only 1 fatality) and then a 2 hour layoff caused the shooter to continue his rage elsewhere. -- Ubergenius 18:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have two links to blogs of affected staff and students but my account is less than 4 days old so can't edit.
http://twoscrewsloose.livejournal.com/143175.html
The students are in lockdown at the moment but can still use the phone and internet. Perhaps we could link these and search for others?
Juzz101 17:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Virginia Tech's ban on guns may draw legal fire, April, 2005. Va. Tech. banned CCW holders from carrying on campus. Anyone know if this is still in effect? scot 17:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's been ruled suicide. The shooter committed suicide.
I'm watching the CNN broadcast, I have heard no reports of what kind of gun was used. I sincerely doubt it was a DAO-12, that thing is hard to get, legally or not. Is there any print source? 130.245.242.214 17:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone should change the title. Ruhe1986 17:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC) EDIT: I do see were they added that in the summary.
I don't think that livejournal entries necessarily warrant being external links 141.109.56.143 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)ja
I Propose we move this article from "Virginia Tech massacre" to "2007 Virginia Tech shootings". Massacre is POV, and innapropriate in the current context. I am making this proposal to preventt possible administrative wheel warring as this article is currently move protected to admin only. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There was also a Hurricane Katrina in 1981 but I don't see the article at 2007 Hurricane Katrina. Common sense, people - the previous incident is miniscule and not worthy of equal footing. -- Golbez 18:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
When I heard of the number shot I typed in "Virgina Tech Massacre" as the very first thing... and bam this page came up... at this point I think the title should stay and as the event unfolds change the title accordingly... obviously the circumstances of the event is going to determine in large part what the ultimate title will be. ( → Netscott) 18:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
How does the community feel about having 2007 in the article title? I personally feel it is appropriate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre, and this would then be the deadliest shooting in US history, period. The earlier mention was a bit unclear but I think the Luby's massacre is relevant for historical comparison. Shawn Pickrell 18:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I just heard on Al Jazeera that this is the deadliest campus shooting in US history and also the deadliest since the UT Tower Shooting. We don't appear to have an article on this but 14 people were killed so it appears this might be correct. Any other news media connected these two. [1] Nil Einne 18:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Can we put a restriction of editing of this article from new/unregistered users to prevent vandalism and false information being added? -- Ozgod 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article title have the year? I think the move should be reverted. -- myselfalso 18:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
this should be added to the article "
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658
"A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly." .... "In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities." -- Jake7457 18:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
In the paragraph:
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre of 1991, and make it the biggest single-incident shooting in U.S. history, in or out of a school.
Change to:
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre of 1991, and make it the biggest single-incident civilian shooting in U.S. history, in or out of a school.
Waco massacre has a death toll of 79, that might fit your general "shooting" description. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.17.144.2 ( talk) 18:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Is there a reason there is an image of Burruss Hall when the article mentions two other buildings were involved? Is this building related to those? Akubhai 18:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Show the reality of this incident... I don't want to look at some weak-ass cherry blossoms. Starks 18:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know if we can use the map here ( http://www.collegiatelabs.com/map.jpg) of the areas affected? Like copyright issues, whatnot? It was liked from the college newspaper website ( http://www.collegiatetimes.com). Pepsidrinka 18:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
We're getting a massive amount of sections for this; I'm combining them for ease of reading and clarity. If wrong, slap with fish. -- Kizor
The second Reference links to ABC, not CNN, and says 29 are dead, not 32. Ben Finn 18:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a profound difference between reporting and confirming. All of the sources people are mentioning are reporting a higher count than the confirmation. The reports are speculative and inconsistently reporting 29-31 and the confirmations released have all been consistent at 22. I suggest we go with the confirmed number of 22 and the highest reported number of 32. -- 208.44.234.50 18:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
why is the number so out of line on this page with what is actually reported?? cnn.com and vt.edu report 22 (including the murderer).
The ABC link (mislabelled CNN) says 29 - I'll change it. Ben Finn 18:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Where's the citation for this? Thus far I've heard/seen no report with a number higher than 29. If you can't provide a citation, don't report it. -- Yksin 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Just heard on MSNBC that the associated press has confirmed 31 deaths, reference? Dwilliams617 18:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dwilliams617 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Dwilliams617 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Turn on CNN, they now claim 31. Can anyone change that, and get a source of it? Or... Oreo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/ H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 18:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
CNN just claimed 32 (10 seconds ago). Lg1223 19:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a contradiction on the page - it says CNN claims 31 and 42 (?) dead...where does this number come from? Lg1223 19:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The major news sources I'm reading from the Washington Post, NY Times, BBC, et al are quoting 32 dead, but reporting a police confirmation of 22. It seems odd to me that Wikipedia is reporting 32 as the final count when that's just a headline number and not confirmed by police or hospitals. -- 208.44.234.50 18:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
at least 31
Ehobeckracin 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Is that a good enough source?????????
It looks like every source is saying at least 20 dead at place X, one at place Y, plus the shooter and 32 dead total. It looks suspiciously to me like someone made a typo (32 instead of 22) and everyone just copied them. This would explain why the numbers don't add up but are off by exactly 10. Titanium Dragon 19:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The lady on the news said 22 was at the time of the interview, 32, including the shooter is current. Ruhe1986 19:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC
I've been watching for the past hour, both CNN and Fox News and the number hasn't been anywhere near 46. The highest number of dead is at 32 currently. Don the Dev 19:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be changed, where it says "The Virginia Tech shootings were a school massacre...". Immediately. John Stattic 18:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't "biggest mass shooting in American history" be "biggest mass shooting in modern American history", as the source actually claims? I'm pretty sure that the Wounded Knee Massacre was larger, for a pre-20th century example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.60.222.126 ( talk) 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
CNN keeps saying it is the worst shooting incident i US History oover and over again ad nauseum. I'm not sure Wounded Knee should be compared to this. Anyway, editors should link to the other incidents to give people perspective. LiPollis 19:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Are we sure that the two shooting incidents--the first in a dormitory, the second in a classroom hall--were committed by the same person? FOXNews (which should be taken with a grain of salt, I know) is reporting that police aren't yet sure that the two are linked http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html. I would suggest putting in a disclaimer about this. -- Ball&Chain 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what type of gun the shooter used? 129.120.205.238 18:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a far more fitting title that captures the gravity and scope of the incident. Starks 18:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
From what I understand (looking for confirmation) the first two victims, in the dorm, were an RA and the shooter's girlfriend. Dwilliams617 18:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the description of the shooter that used to be in the article sourced from Fox news? It disappeared. Fox news says: "The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian student wearing a vest opened fire. The shooter was "wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … they said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over," Harrison said." ( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html) 71.226.56.79 18:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it is because it's just one person saying that, and just one news site citing it.
MSNBC is now reporting ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/) that the shooter was Asian based on multiple eyewitnesses. Fox News had previously reported the student as being Asian. 64.35.225.1 18:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
For the time being perhaps there should be a statement telling people to turn on the news for the most up to date info... "we can't type that fast"
Just a thought, since people want the right info ASAP, and this is such an enormous tragedy.
TheGoogle 18:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been changing the victim count, now it's 32.
CorinneQ
18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
Is the death toll now confirmed and final? Television news are no longer saying "At least" Ruhe1986 18:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm getting the total from the MSN headlines.....they keep updating and updating, it may go higher but I'm not sure.
CorinneQ 18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
I'm sure your intentions are good, but you should realize the numbers you're reporting aren't police confirmed. Yes, ABC News, and Fox News are both "confirming" that the count is 32, but it's being reported by students who are actually under lock down, and imaginably unable to have an accurate body count. All the latest updates that state specifically police confirmed and not simply confirmed are counting only 22. Even the student paper is reporting 32, but confirming 22. I'm sure the number will go up, but right now there are 2 different numbers available and it should be written as such. --
208.44.234.50
19:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction
CorinneQ
19:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
It's amazing how inaccurate the media is. It's very unprofessional to confirm a number that isn't truely confirmed. Aren't there laws against broadcasting news that isn't true. Shame on you FOX,CNN,ABC, and so forth. Ruhe1986 19:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a massacre, guys. Multiple news agencies are referring to it as a massacre on their front pages, including CNN, ABC and CBS (CBS uses the term "Virginia Tech Massacre"). The event is larger than the Columbine massacre, which is undisputedly referred to as a massacre in their title. I don't think calling it a "massacre" violates NPOV anymore. -- Kitch ( Talk : Contrib) 18:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
This is being discussed under the heading "This is a massacre not just a shooting". Please try to keep discussions closed under one heading. Quanticles 19:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm including it as "Unknown male". Starks 18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It is quite Unnecessary to put that the unknown male shooter was Asian. Does there really need to be an explination why? Ruhe1986 18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't need to be modified as the deadliest "school" shooting anymore - with the fatality count over 30, it is the deadliest non-war shooting in US History (the Civil War having obvious exceptions - Antietam, et al.). Editor Emeritus 18:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The infobox includes "suicide", although the latest police statement I saw said that they are still investigating whether or not the killer was shot by police or died from self-inflicted wounds. Fickman 18:59, 16 April 2007 (UT
[de:Massaker in der Virginia Tech
How can someone oppose any notion or attempt to move the page to "(2007) Virgina Tech massacre" and at the same time allow "Columbine High School massacre" to remain for the Columbine incident. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE, WIKIPEDIA POLICY IS NOT THE BIBLE. Starks 19:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
"Virginia Tech" is a POV term. I don't think the native Americans called this place Virginia. In fact, everything in the world is POV. Everything. Nutmegger 19:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What in the world does Micheal Jackson have anything to do with this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CorinneQ ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
ok nevermind, deleteted is was. Someone was messing around.
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I want to edit this article, seeing as I have valuable knowledge to add. Please, unlock it.
This doesn't fit the established criteria for a spree killer, at least with the information currently available.
A news reported (opinionist really) threw the idea out that this started as a passion crime (since the original shooting was only in 1 room and caused only 1 fatality) and then a 2 hour layoff caused the shooter to continue his rage elsewhere. -- Ubergenius 18:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have two links to blogs of affected staff and students but my account is less than 4 days old so can't edit.
http://twoscrewsloose.livejournal.com/143175.html
The students are in lockdown at the moment but can still use the phone and internet. Perhaps we could link these and search for others?
Juzz101 17:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Virginia Tech's ban on guns may draw legal fire, April, 2005. Va. Tech. banned CCW holders from carrying on campus. Anyone know if this is still in effect? scot 17:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's been ruled suicide. The shooter committed suicide.
I'm watching the CNN broadcast, I have heard no reports of what kind of gun was used. I sincerely doubt it was a DAO-12, that thing is hard to get, legally or not. Is there any print source? 130.245.242.214 17:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone should change the title. Ruhe1986 17:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC) EDIT: I do see were they added that in the summary.
I don't think that livejournal entries necessarily warrant being external links 141.109.56.143 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)ja
I Propose we move this article from "Virginia Tech massacre" to "2007 Virginia Tech shootings". Massacre is POV, and innapropriate in the current context. I am making this proposal to preventt possible administrative wheel warring as this article is currently move protected to admin only. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There was also a Hurricane Katrina in 1981 but I don't see the article at 2007 Hurricane Katrina. Common sense, people - the previous incident is miniscule and not worthy of equal footing. -- Golbez 18:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
When I heard of the number shot I typed in "Virgina Tech Massacre" as the very first thing... and bam this page came up... at this point I think the title should stay and as the event unfolds change the title accordingly... obviously the circumstances of the event is going to determine in large part what the ultimate title will be. ( → Netscott) 18:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
How does the community feel about having 2007 in the article title? I personally feel it is appropriate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre, and this would then be the deadliest shooting in US history, period. The earlier mention was a bit unclear but I think the Luby's massacre is relevant for historical comparison. Shawn Pickrell 18:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I just heard on Al Jazeera that this is the deadliest campus shooting in US history and also the deadliest since the UT Tower Shooting. We don't appear to have an article on this but 14 people were killed so it appears this might be correct. Any other news media connected these two. [1] Nil Einne 18:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Can we put a restriction of editing of this article from new/unregistered users to prevent vandalism and false information being added? -- Ozgod 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article title have the year? I think the move should be reverted. -- myselfalso 18:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
this should be added to the article "
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658
"A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly." .... "In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities." -- Jake7457 18:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
In the paragraph:
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre of 1991, and make it the biggest single-incident shooting in U.S. history, in or out of a school.
Change to:
The death toll may exceed the Luby's massacre of 1991, and make it the biggest single-incident civilian shooting in U.S. history, in or out of a school.
Waco massacre has a death toll of 79, that might fit your general "shooting" description. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.17.144.2 ( talk) 18:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Is there a reason there is an image of Burruss Hall when the article mentions two other buildings were involved? Is this building related to those? Akubhai 18:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Show the reality of this incident... I don't want to look at some weak-ass cherry blossoms. Starks 18:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know if we can use the map here ( http://www.collegiatelabs.com/map.jpg) of the areas affected? Like copyright issues, whatnot? It was liked from the college newspaper website ( http://www.collegiatetimes.com). Pepsidrinka 18:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
We're getting a massive amount of sections for this; I'm combining them for ease of reading and clarity. If wrong, slap with fish. -- Kizor
The second Reference links to ABC, not CNN, and says 29 are dead, not 32. Ben Finn 18:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a profound difference between reporting and confirming. All of the sources people are mentioning are reporting a higher count than the confirmation. The reports are speculative and inconsistently reporting 29-31 and the confirmations released have all been consistent at 22. I suggest we go with the confirmed number of 22 and the highest reported number of 32. -- 208.44.234.50 18:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
why is the number so out of line on this page with what is actually reported?? cnn.com and vt.edu report 22 (including the murderer).
The ABC link (mislabelled CNN) says 29 - I'll change it. Ben Finn 18:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Where's the citation for this? Thus far I've heard/seen no report with a number higher than 29. If you can't provide a citation, don't report it. -- Yksin 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Just heard on MSNBC that the associated press has confirmed 31 deaths, reference? Dwilliams617 18:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dwilliams617 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Dwilliams617 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Turn on CNN, they now claim 31. Can anyone change that, and get a source of it? Or... Oreo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/ H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 18:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
CNN just claimed 32 (10 seconds ago). Lg1223 19:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a contradiction on the page - it says CNN claims 31 and 42 (?) dead...where does this number come from? Lg1223 19:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The major news sources I'm reading from the Washington Post, NY Times, BBC, et al are quoting 32 dead, but reporting a police confirmation of 22. It seems odd to me that Wikipedia is reporting 32 as the final count when that's just a headline number and not confirmed by police or hospitals. -- 208.44.234.50 18:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
at least 31
Ehobeckracin 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Is that a good enough source?????????
It looks like every source is saying at least 20 dead at place X, one at place Y, plus the shooter and 32 dead total. It looks suspiciously to me like someone made a typo (32 instead of 22) and everyone just copied them. This would explain why the numbers don't add up but are off by exactly 10. Titanium Dragon 19:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The lady on the news said 22 was at the time of the interview, 32, including the shooter is current. Ruhe1986 19:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC
I've been watching for the past hour, both CNN and Fox News and the number hasn't been anywhere near 46. The highest number of dead is at 32 currently. Don the Dev 19:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be changed, where it says "The Virginia Tech shootings were a school massacre...". Immediately. John Stattic 18:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't "biggest mass shooting in American history" be "biggest mass shooting in modern American history", as the source actually claims? I'm pretty sure that the Wounded Knee Massacre was larger, for a pre-20th century example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.60.222.126 ( talk) 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
CNN keeps saying it is the worst shooting incident i US History oover and over again ad nauseum. I'm not sure Wounded Knee should be compared to this. Anyway, editors should link to the other incidents to give people perspective. LiPollis 19:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Are we sure that the two shooting incidents--the first in a dormitory, the second in a classroom hall--were committed by the same person? FOXNews (which should be taken with a grain of salt, I know) is reporting that police aren't yet sure that the two are linked http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html. I would suggest putting in a disclaimer about this. -- Ball&Chain 18:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what type of gun the shooter used? 129.120.205.238 18:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a far more fitting title that captures the gravity and scope of the incident. Starks 18:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
From what I understand (looking for confirmation) the first two victims, in the dorm, were an RA and the shooter's girlfriend. Dwilliams617 18:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the description of the shooter that used to be in the article sourced from Fox news? It disappeared. Fox news says: "The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian student wearing a vest opened fire. The shooter was "wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … they said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over," Harrison said." ( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html) 71.226.56.79 18:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it is because it's just one person saying that, and just one news site citing it.
MSNBC is now reporting ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/) that the shooter was Asian based on multiple eyewitnesses. Fox News had previously reported the student as being Asian. 64.35.225.1 18:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
For the time being perhaps there should be a statement telling people to turn on the news for the most up to date info... "we can't type that fast"
Just a thought, since people want the right info ASAP, and this is such an enormous tragedy.
TheGoogle 18:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been changing the victim count, now it's 32.
CorinneQ
18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
Is the death toll now confirmed and final? Television news are no longer saying "At least" Ruhe1986 18:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm getting the total from the MSN headlines.....they keep updating and updating, it may go higher but I'm not sure.
CorinneQ 18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
I'm sure your intentions are good, but you should realize the numbers you're reporting aren't police confirmed. Yes, ABC News, and Fox News are both "confirming" that the count is 32, but it's being reported by students who are actually under lock down, and imaginably unable to have an accurate body count. All the latest updates that state specifically police confirmed and not simply confirmed are counting only 22. Even the student paper is reporting 32, but confirming 22. I'm sure the number will go up, but right now there are 2 different numbers available and it should be written as such. --
208.44.234.50
19:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction
CorinneQ
19:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Corinne Quinones
It's amazing how inaccurate the media is. It's very unprofessional to confirm a number that isn't truely confirmed. Aren't there laws against broadcasting news that isn't true. Shame on you FOX,CNN,ABC, and so forth. Ruhe1986 19:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a massacre, guys. Multiple news agencies are referring to it as a massacre on their front pages, including CNN, ABC and CBS (CBS uses the term "Virginia Tech Massacre"). The event is larger than the Columbine massacre, which is undisputedly referred to as a massacre in their title. I don't think calling it a "massacre" violates NPOV anymore. -- Kitch ( Talk : Contrib) 18:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
This is being discussed under the heading "This is a massacre not just a shooting". Please try to keep discussions closed under one heading. Quanticles 19:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm including it as "Unknown male". Starks 18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It is quite Unnecessary to put that the unknown male shooter was Asian. Does there really need to be an explination why? Ruhe1986 18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't need to be modified as the deadliest "school" shooting anymore - with the fatality count over 30, it is the deadliest non-war shooting in US History (the Civil War having obvious exceptions - Antietam, et al.). Editor Emeritus 18:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The infobox includes "suicide", although the latest police statement I saw said that they are still investigating whether or not the killer was shot by police or died from self-inflicted wounds. Fickman 18:59, 16 April 2007 (UT
[de:Massaker in der Virginia Tech
How can someone oppose any notion or attempt to move the page to "(2007) Virgina Tech massacre" and at the same time allow "Columbine High School massacre" to remain for the Columbine incident. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE, WIKIPEDIA POLICY IS NOT THE BIBLE. Starks 19:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
"Virginia Tech" is a POV term. I don't think the native Americans called this place Virginia. In fact, everything in the world is POV. Everything. Nutmegger 19:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What in the world does Micheal Jackson have anything to do with this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CorinneQ ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
ok nevermind, deleteted is was. Someone was messing around.