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At one time the article contained a timeline. Then the timeline was removed to a separate page. Now I cannot find the timeline at all. Does it still exist? Cherylyoung 18:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)cherylyoung
Rapper Jin, has released a song in memorial of the Massacre, it can be found on www.hiphopgame.com or at his myspace page www.myspace.com/therealjin
I come to this page everyday before 1st period to read the updates. great job everyone with editing, adding new info, etc. watching partial clips of cho's video this morning on the news took a toll on me. it was greatly disturbing.. ill be adding more about it because there was a specific quote.. and the picture of the candlelight vigil honestly its beautiful i think it will go down in history as one of the most famous pictures ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.5.139 ( talk)
Was this NBC thing sent by courier or from a post office or something? I presume the answer is yes because if it was just dropped in a mail box, the timestamp seems irrelevant as it would just be the time it was processed, not the time it was sent Nil Einne 11:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Should digits be used instelled of spelling out numbers? I mean, thirty-two dead should be 32 instead. I always learned that numbers nine or less were spelled out, or something like that. Nospamtodd 12:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm an unregistered Wiki viewer and was reading the comments on this...as a former reporter...Associated Press style had numbers under 10 spelled out...and anything over 10 as digits (five, nine, 33, 100,000) to save space and to be more legible...im ignorant on Wiki style...but its a good rule of thumb...thanks for your consideration...F&B Bart Jason
It is being reported that the killer enacted scenes from the Korean revenge movie "Oldboy" 89.155.102.1 12:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that the events of this incident are starting to die down a bit, I think it may be appropriate to turn our focus to consolidating this article, for obvious reasons (and if they're not so obvious, 68k is all I need to say). I don't think it should be halved in size or anything, but I think that some sections are unnecessary and some are repetitive, so a good look-over of the article is in order. Of course, there's still stuff out there that can be added, but be selective of what you add and where you add it. In particular, I'm suggesting a cut back in size of the whole responses section (and its subsections) and the Cho Seung-hui, who already has his own article. └ Jared┘┌ talk┐ 13:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've managed to carve out about 5K of text (from 66K to 61K). I throw down the gauntlet and challenge all comers to do better! Ronnotel 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not too sure the {{ verylong}} tag is necessary. In an article with 140 or so references, don't citations make up a good percentage of the length? If there were no citations, I'd imagine the length would go down by 10K or so. Plus, given that the subject is still front page news and we're still getting new information every minute, is this article's length truly our number one concern? I think we should shorten this article eventually, not immediately. I have removed the tag, but if you must put it back, go ahead. szyslak ( t, c) 21:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I see the article's length has already been shortened from 68K to 61K. szyslak ( t, c) 21:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
When we add new information to this article, let's mind we put it in past tense. I had to go and clean up a couple places written in present tense. Right now the counselors and the Red Cross might BE there, but two weeks from now they will have BEEN there, so we need to write our articles as such.
NEW INFO: (New user here so am not sure if I am contributing in the right way/place.) There is more information on the French Canadian teacher and her apparent sacrifices in her classroom, which was apparently the hardest-hit with the fewest survivors. The French class is also apparently where Cho returned for the last time before taking his own life. She has said to have ordered her students to the back of the room in a "futile" attempt to barricade the door. Furthermore, although "at least 10" in the class were killed, not all 22 of the enrolled students have been accounted for, and only two are known to have survived. The significance of these events suggests that they be included under the "shootings" section and there surely will be much more detail in the coming days.
Please see this link to The Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204866 for the full article published today. The story seems worth following up, especially if you're going to include the info on other professors who sacrificed their lives for their students, no matter what section it's put in. (BTW, I have noticed above that someone is calling the TO Star a "gossip" paper. Although this paper seems to have erred in an early detail from 4chan, it has won many awards for original investigative reporting and can generally be trusted for solid research. It is the major 7-day weekly paper for Canada's largest city, and its credentials are normally trustworthy - certainly not to be dismissed.) wiki-stikler 18:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I vote that we move the section "Responses to Virginia Tech Massacre" to its own page. Zehly 15:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It is being reported that Cho watched the movie repeatedly before his rampage. 75.89.75.106 16:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC) gnoko
Please semi-protect it again, it's been abused far to often of late.-- Rob NS 16:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
If anyone wants to check out the stuff that was removed, there a diff here. None of it was merged with other pages, so should probably be readded to the article. - Halo 16:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have concerns about this article. Don't get me wrong, I believe it deserves to be included as it is a very notable subject. My concerns relate to the issue of What Wikipedia is not. This is a developing news story. It is all over the world. Wikipedia has sister projects, especially Wiki news.
Another concern is this article is becoming too large. This is because it is a breaking news story and new information is constantly coming in. Please don't jump on me. I'm just trying to learn about Wiki and really love the concept and would like to keep it, as I assume most of us do, credible and a valuable source of information and education. Thanks for any consideration, that do not to bash me. I am commenting in good faith. Jeeny 17:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
(Number may have changed) is to a google cache of an article. Can someone chenge it to a direct ref? Rich Farmbrough, 17:18 19 April 2007 (GMT).
Someone has switched the name order to personal-family again, despite the fact that the article about Cho is currently using family-personal. I don't care which one is decided on eventually, but we need to be consistent in our usage. I'm going to change them back. Natalie 17:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I semiprotected the article for 5 hours due to a recent spate of IP vandalism. It should unprotect automatically at approximately 18:50 EDT. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 17:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
At some point earlier today, someone had done a beautiful job of shortening it with direction to the main article on Cho for further information. So who went & wrecked it again? What a mess. -- Yksin 18:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree the Cho section needs shortening, a lot of the information under 'Possible motives' is just background info. How, for example, are his plays possible motives? Plus, all the information on here is already in the Cho page so i don't really see the need to merge. Spugmeister 18:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments! The one last problem is that the picture is enormous again, but I think I remember how to fix it. Natalie 19:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Please make the victims section longer than one sentence. One sentence is not propoer Summary Style. -- GunnarRene 19:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
On CNN (Larry King I think) they interviewed his roomates. They mentioned that he would play the song "Shine" by Collective Soul at all hours of the day. It would often wake them up at night. In addition, he would also write the words on the walls of their suite. I think the song was dear to him, and that he may have identified with the lyrics.
"Shine"
Give me a word/ Give me a sign/ Show me where to look/ Tell me what will I find/ Lay me on the ground/ Fly me in the sky/ Show me where to look/ Tell me what will I find/ Oh, heaven let your light shine down/
Love is in the water/ Love is in the air/ Show me where to go/ Tell me will love be there/ Teach me how to speak/ Teach me how to share/ Teach me where to go/ Tell me will love be there/ Oh, heaven let your light shine down/
I saw/heard it myself, but does anyone know where I can find a transcript of that interview? As proof the detail was mentioned?
EDIT: Found... http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/music/archives/2007/04/collective_soul.php
Why does the lead paragraph say "Monday"? The day of the week is not usually mentioned.-- Mantanmoreland 19:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with WP policy regarding days of the week, but given that it was at a school, which operates on a weekly schedule, the day of the week seems at least peripherally relevant. Chunky Rice 19:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Should this article be Peer Reviewed? If anyone else thinks so I will nominate this article for Peer Review. Fun pika 19:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
This ref: http://www.presidency.ro/index.php?_RID=det&tb=date&id=8690&_PRID= and currently number 34 is in Romanian, a language I cannot speak or read. Can someone who does read Romanian please add a title, publication title, and date to the reference? Currently it is only the hyperlink, which is generally frowned upon. It also needs the little language marker, but I can add that. Thanks. Natalie 19:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Since the VT vigil picture is aligned to the left, the code for the picture should be entered before the title "Student Response". This is a Wikipedia guideline. This will make the page look more organized. 66.76.60.154 20:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Please don't call it the "Virginia Tech Massacre" I don't know how we should refer to it - but I - and many others can't stomach that choice of words.
This channel is discussing this matter RIGHT NOW. 205.240.146.156 20:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you should cut this line, it's clearly racist:
"Reprisal attacks against Koreans would make little sense considering how many African-Americans murder people on an hourly basis in the United States of America with no retaliatory actions against other innocent blacks."
Why was the section about him and the tapes he sent to the NBC gone?
That's so current.. im sure tons of people want to read about it
I noticed you have some Universitys that are helping on here, so here's another one http://www.drake.edu/news/db/official/archive.php?article=1580 heres exactly what it says "Drake Students Rally Together for Hokies 04/18/2007
CONTACT: Lauren Smith, Student Body President, 515-271-4555, lauren.smith@drake.edu; Katie Knorovsky, 515-271-1834, katie.knorovsky@drake.edu
Drake University students are joining a multi-university outreach project, Paper Cranes for Virginia Tech, and will gather to craft origami paper cranes from 4 to 6 p.m. Thursday, April 19, on Pomerantz Stage in Olmsted Center, 29th Street and University Avenue.
The cranes will be sent in care packages to the Virginia Tech community along with letters of support from Drake organizations, students, faculty and staff. Drake’s Student Senate is sponsoring the Drake effort.
Origami paper cranes are an international symbol of peace that originated with a Japanese legend that says anyone folding 1,000 paper cranes is granted a wish.
In addition, Drake’s Residence Hall Association (RHA) is collaborating with other universities to support the 300 people who work in Residence Life at Virginia Tech, as one of the first casualties in Monday’s tragedy was a resident assistant. RHA is gathering cash donations to create care packages that will be sent Monday, April 23. Monetary donations are being accepted by all Drake resident assistants until 4:30 p.m. Friday, April 20. Checks can be made payable to Lorissa Lieurance. For more information, contact Tiffany Mauch at tsm003@drake.edu."
You don't have to add it, it's just a suggestion.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
At one time the article contained a timeline. Then the timeline was removed to a separate page. Now I cannot find the timeline at all. Does it still exist? Cherylyoung 18:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)cherylyoung
Rapper Jin, has released a song in memorial of the Massacre, it can be found on www.hiphopgame.com or at his myspace page www.myspace.com/therealjin
I come to this page everyday before 1st period to read the updates. great job everyone with editing, adding new info, etc. watching partial clips of cho's video this morning on the news took a toll on me. it was greatly disturbing.. ill be adding more about it because there was a specific quote.. and the picture of the candlelight vigil honestly its beautiful i think it will go down in history as one of the most famous pictures ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.5.139 ( talk)
Was this NBC thing sent by courier or from a post office or something? I presume the answer is yes because if it was just dropped in a mail box, the timestamp seems irrelevant as it would just be the time it was processed, not the time it was sent Nil Einne 11:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Should digits be used instelled of spelling out numbers? I mean, thirty-two dead should be 32 instead. I always learned that numbers nine or less were spelled out, or something like that. Nospamtodd 12:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm an unregistered Wiki viewer and was reading the comments on this...as a former reporter...Associated Press style had numbers under 10 spelled out...and anything over 10 as digits (five, nine, 33, 100,000) to save space and to be more legible...im ignorant on Wiki style...but its a good rule of thumb...thanks for your consideration...F&B Bart Jason
It is being reported that the killer enacted scenes from the Korean revenge movie "Oldboy" 89.155.102.1 12:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that the events of this incident are starting to die down a bit, I think it may be appropriate to turn our focus to consolidating this article, for obvious reasons (and if they're not so obvious, 68k is all I need to say). I don't think it should be halved in size or anything, but I think that some sections are unnecessary and some are repetitive, so a good look-over of the article is in order. Of course, there's still stuff out there that can be added, but be selective of what you add and where you add it. In particular, I'm suggesting a cut back in size of the whole responses section (and its subsections) and the Cho Seung-hui, who already has his own article. └ Jared┘┌ talk┐ 13:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've managed to carve out about 5K of text (from 66K to 61K). I throw down the gauntlet and challenge all comers to do better! Ronnotel 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not too sure the {{ verylong}} tag is necessary. In an article with 140 or so references, don't citations make up a good percentage of the length? If there were no citations, I'd imagine the length would go down by 10K or so. Plus, given that the subject is still front page news and we're still getting new information every minute, is this article's length truly our number one concern? I think we should shorten this article eventually, not immediately. I have removed the tag, but if you must put it back, go ahead. szyslak ( t, c) 21:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I see the article's length has already been shortened from 68K to 61K. szyslak ( t, c) 21:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
When we add new information to this article, let's mind we put it in past tense. I had to go and clean up a couple places written in present tense. Right now the counselors and the Red Cross might BE there, but two weeks from now they will have BEEN there, so we need to write our articles as such.
NEW INFO: (New user here so am not sure if I am contributing in the right way/place.) There is more information on the French Canadian teacher and her apparent sacrifices in her classroom, which was apparently the hardest-hit with the fewest survivors. The French class is also apparently where Cho returned for the last time before taking his own life. She has said to have ordered her students to the back of the room in a "futile" attempt to barricade the door. Furthermore, although "at least 10" in the class were killed, not all 22 of the enrolled students have been accounted for, and only two are known to have survived. The significance of these events suggests that they be included under the "shootings" section and there surely will be much more detail in the coming days.
Please see this link to The Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204866 for the full article published today. The story seems worth following up, especially if you're going to include the info on other professors who sacrificed their lives for their students, no matter what section it's put in. (BTW, I have noticed above that someone is calling the TO Star a "gossip" paper. Although this paper seems to have erred in an early detail from 4chan, it has won many awards for original investigative reporting and can generally be trusted for solid research. It is the major 7-day weekly paper for Canada's largest city, and its credentials are normally trustworthy - certainly not to be dismissed.) wiki-stikler 18:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I vote that we move the section "Responses to Virginia Tech Massacre" to its own page. Zehly 15:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It is being reported that Cho watched the movie repeatedly before his rampage. 75.89.75.106 16:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC) gnoko
Please semi-protect it again, it's been abused far to often of late.-- Rob NS 16:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
If anyone wants to check out the stuff that was removed, there a diff here. None of it was merged with other pages, so should probably be readded to the article. - Halo 16:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have concerns about this article. Don't get me wrong, I believe it deserves to be included as it is a very notable subject. My concerns relate to the issue of What Wikipedia is not. This is a developing news story. It is all over the world. Wikipedia has sister projects, especially Wiki news.
Another concern is this article is becoming too large. This is because it is a breaking news story and new information is constantly coming in. Please don't jump on me. I'm just trying to learn about Wiki and really love the concept and would like to keep it, as I assume most of us do, credible and a valuable source of information and education. Thanks for any consideration, that do not to bash me. I am commenting in good faith. Jeeny 17:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
(Number may have changed) is to a google cache of an article. Can someone chenge it to a direct ref? Rich Farmbrough, 17:18 19 April 2007 (GMT).
Someone has switched the name order to personal-family again, despite the fact that the article about Cho is currently using family-personal. I don't care which one is decided on eventually, but we need to be consistent in our usage. I'm going to change them back. Natalie 17:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I semiprotected the article for 5 hours due to a recent spate of IP vandalism. It should unprotect automatically at approximately 18:50 EDT. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 17:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
At some point earlier today, someone had done a beautiful job of shortening it with direction to the main article on Cho for further information. So who went & wrecked it again? What a mess. -- Yksin 18:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree the Cho section needs shortening, a lot of the information under 'Possible motives' is just background info. How, for example, are his plays possible motives? Plus, all the information on here is already in the Cho page so i don't really see the need to merge. Spugmeister 18:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments! The one last problem is that the picture is enormous again, but I think I remember how to fix it. Natalie 19:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Please make the victims section longer than one sentence. One sentence is not propoer Summary Style. -- GunnarRene 19:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
On CNN (Larry King I think) they interviewed his roomates. They mentioned that he would play the song "Shine" by Collective Soul at all hours of the day. It would often wake them up at night. In addition, he would also write the words on the walls of their suite. I think the song was dear to him, and that he may have identified with the lyrics.
"Shine"
Give me a word/ Give me a sign/ Show me where to look/ Tell me what will I find/ Lay me on the ground/ Fly me in the sky/ Show me where to look/ Tell me what will I find/ Oh, heaven let your light shine down/
Love is in the water/ Love is in the air/ Show me where to go/ Tell me will love be there/ Teach me how to speak/ Teach me how to share/ Teach me where to go/ Tell me will love be there/ Oh, heaven let your light shine down/
I saw/heard it myself, but does anyone know where I can find a transcript of that interview? As proof the detail was mentioned?
EDIT: Found... http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/music/archives/2007/04/collective_soul.php
Why does the lead paragraph say "Monday"? The day of the week is not usually mentioned.-- Mantanmoreland 19:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with WP policy regarding days of the week, but given that it was at a school, which operates on a weekly schedule, the day of the week seems at least peripherally relevant. Chunky Rice 19:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Should this article be Peer Reviewed? If anyone else thinks so I will nominate this article for Peer Review. Fun pika 19:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
This ref: http://www.presidency.ro/index.php?_RID=det&tb=date&id=8690&_PRID= and currently number 34 is in Romanian, a language I cannot speak or read. Can someone who does read Romanian please add a title, publication title, and date to the reference? Currently it is only the hyperlink, which is generally frowned upon. It also needs the little language marker, but I can add that. Thanks. Natalie 19:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Since the VT vigil picture is aligned to the left, the code for the picture should be entered before the title "Student Response". This is a Wikipedia guideline. This will make the page look more organized. 66.76.60.154 20:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Please don't call it the "Virginia Tech Massacre" I don't know how we should refer to it - but I - and many others can't stomach that choice of words.
This channel is discussing this matter RIGHT NOW. 205.240.146.156 20:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you should cut this line, it's clearly racist:
"Reprisal attacks against Koreans would make little sense considering how many African-Americans murder people on an hourly basis in the United States of America with no retaliatory actions against other innocent blacks."
Why was the section about him and the tapes he sent to the NBC gone?
That's so current.. im sure tons of people want to read about it
I noticed you have some Universitys that are helping on here, so here's another one http://www.drake.edu/news/db/official/archive.php?article=1580 heres exactly what it says "Drake Students Rally Together for Hokies 04/18/2007
CONTACT: Lauren Smith, Student Body President, 515-271-4555, lauren.smith@drake.edu; Katie Knorovsky, 515-271-1834, katie.knorovsky@drake.edu
Drake University students are joining a multi-university outreach project, Paper Cranes for Virginia Tech, and will gather to craft origami paper cranes from 4 to 6 p.m. Thursday, April 19, on Pomerantz Stage in Olmsted Center, 29th Street and University Avenue.
The cranes will be sent in care packages to the Virginia Tech community along with letters of support from Drake organizations, students, faculty and staff. Drake’s Student Senate is sponsoring the Drake effort.
Origami paper cranes are an international symbol of peace that originated with a Japanese legend that says anyone folding 1,000 paper cranes is granted a wish.
In addition, Drake’s Residence Hall Association (RHA) is collaborating with other universities to support the 300 people who work in Residence Life at Virginia Tech, as one of the first casualties in Monday’s tragedy was a resident assistant. RHA is gathering cash donations to create care packages that will be sent Monday, April 23. Monetary donations are being accepted by all Drake resident assistants until 4:30 p.m. Friday, April 20. Checks can be made payable to Lorissa Lieurance. For more information, contact Tiffany Mauch at tsm003@drake.edu."
You don't have to add it, it's just a suggestion.