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Does anyone know if you can change the page's name from UFL Virginia to whatever the fans vote to name the team? (Virginia Navigators, Destroyers, Tritons...) Marlinite ( talk) 17:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
It appears there is some confusion over whether the "Virginia Destroyers" are a new team, or if they are the same team as the Florida Tuskers. For what it's worth, they are definitely the same franchise, which has now relocated and changed its name. [1] What to do with this is another matter. There is little consistency in how Wikipedia treats articles on sports teams that have moved cities or leagues; sometimes they get one article, with previous names redirected there, and sometimes there are articles for every incarnation of the team.-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
A sports franchisee has the following components (I believe, we all agree apon based on above discussion).
factor | Destroyer | Tuskers |
---|---|---|
Owners | UFL, ( Jim Speros,droped out)/out for bid [10] | Joe Theismann group, UFL |
Management | President: Ed Reynolds/Joe Moglia/Ed Reynolds General Manager: Doug Williams |
President: Joe Theismann |
Coaching | Joe Moglia/ Jay Gruden & Tuskers staff / vacant Head Coach, remaining Tusker Staff |
Jay Gruden |
players | none Tusker key players |
Tusker players |
launch/end | June 22 2010 /ongoing | 08-2009 / 1-12-2011 |
So basically I see it as a merger the owners and management of the Tuskers did not move with the rest of the Tuskers and the Destroyers franchise was not created only to take the remainer of the Tuskers. As the Tuskers only shut down do to lack of a stadium deal. I think the remaining question is does the Tuskers important enough to have its own article and coversely does the Destroyers. Yes for the Tuskers, they were the original regular Season Champions, and the losing team in the UFL Championship Game and repeated that feat in the second season. Destroyers, we really don't know yet. They may only last a year or they may repeat the Tuskers' sucess. So, at this point, I would have a Florida Tuskers article with a Destroyers "mini-article" and redirect and if we give the Destroyers' a seperate article (until importance can be established), the Tuskers article would indicate a partial merger with the Destroyers with a "see: Virgina Destroyers" wikilink. (Also, I think that the Destroyer information "overwrites" too much of the Tusker information in a fully merged article.)
Back, Cúchullain, to your statement: "There is little consistency in how Wikipedia treats articles on sports teams that have moved cities or leagues; sometimes they get one article, with previous names redirected there, and sometimes there are articles for every incarnation of the team." I agree. The first 4 or so Detroit NFL teams are all jammed into one article while only 2 have any connections except for the being in Detroit and the NFL, but give the amount of information available some times there isn't much that can be done. While the Arena FL Detroit Drive is under another name dispite it being the Drive longer (2 years to 1 Year), and the franchise was sold in bankruptcy court some else and run as the Grand Rapids Rampage, which has its own article. Etc. Well, hopefully discussion here could lead to discussion at American football WikiProject about how to handle articles and redirects better. Spshu ( talk) 23:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
One other thing I might add: the Tuskers' official Facebook page even says they're not the Destroyers. "We have now ceased operations. Head Coach Jay Gruden is moving on to the Virginia Destroyers." It's pretty clear they're not the same team. J. Myrle Fuller ( talk) 19:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, here's my proposal for the intro's wording. Please, let's work it out here rather than reverting.
“ | The team's current incarnation originated with the Florida Tuskers, a charter franchise of the UFL who played two seasons from 2009-2010. [21] [22] The Tuskers advanced to the UFL Championship Game in both years, losing both games to the Las Vegas Locomotives. In 2010 the UFL announced it would be adding an expansion team in Virginia Beach for the upcoming season, to be known as the Virginia Destroyers. Prior to the season, however, the league suspended the Tuskers' operations and scrapped its expansion plans, instead relocating the Tuskers organization to Virginia Beach, where it would take on the Virginia Destroyers name. [23] [24] [25] | ” |
Take a look at this sandbox page for how I would do it. Has both teams in one article indicated that the Tuskers partially mergered with the Destroyers. Spshu ( talk) 16:32, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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Does anyone know if you can change the page's name from UFL Virginia to whatever the fans vote to name the team? (Virginia Navigators, Destroyers, Tritons...) Marlinite ( talk) 17:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
It appears there is some confusion over whether the "Virginia Destroyers" are a new team, or if they are the same team as the Florida Tuskers. For what it's worth, they are definitely the same franchise, which has now relocated and changed its name. [1] What to do with this is another matter. There is little consistency in how Wikipedia treats articles on sports teams that have moved cities or leagues; sometimes they get one article, with previous names redirected there, and sometimes there are articles for every incarnation of the team.-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
A sports franchisee has the following components (I believe, we all agree apon based on above discussion).
factor | Destroyer | Tuskers |
---|---|---|
Owners | UFL, ( Jim Speros,droped out)/out for bid [10] | Joe Theismann group, UFL |
Management | President: Ed Reynolds/Joe Moglia/Ed Reynolds General Manager: Doug Williams |
President: Joe Theismann |
Coaching | Joe Moglia/ Jay Gruden & Tuskers staff / vacant Head Coach, remaining Tusker Staff |
Jay Gruden |
players | none Tusker key players |
Tusker players |
launch/end | June 22 2010 /ongoing | 08-2009 / 1-12-2011 |
So basically I see it as a merger the owners and management of the Tuskers did not move with the rest of the Tuskers and the Destroyers franchise was not created only to take the remainer of the Tuskers. As the Tuskers only shut down do to lack of a stadium deal. I think the remaining question is does the Tuskers important enough to have its own article and coversely does the Destroyers. Yes for the Tuskers, they were the original regular Season Champions, and the losing team in the UFL Championship Game and repeated that feat in the second season. Destroyers, we really don't know yet. They may only last a year or they may repeat the Tuskers' sucess. So, at this point, I would have a Florida Tuskers article with a Destroyers "mini-article" and redirect and if we give the Destroyers' a seperate article (until importance can be established), the Tuskers article would indicate a partial merger with the Destroyers with a "see: Virgina Destroyers" wikilink. (Also, I think that the Destroyer information "overwrites" too much of the Tusker information in a fully merged article.)
Back, Cúchullain, to your statement: "There is little consistency in how Wikipedia treats articles on sports teams that have moved cities or leagues; sometimes they get one article, with previous names redirected there, and sometimes there are articles for every incarnation of the team." I agree. The first 4 or so Detroit NFL teams are all jammed into one article while only 2 have any connections except for the being in Detroit and the NFL, but give the amount of information available some times there isn't much that can be done. While the Arena FL Detroit Drive is under another name dispite it being the Drive longer (2 years to 1 Year), and the franchise was sold in bankruptcy court some else and run as the Grand Rapids Rampage, which has its own article. Etc. Well, hopefully discussion here could lead to discussion at American football WikiProject about how to handle articles and redirects better. Spshu ( talk) 23:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
One other thing I might add: the Tuskers' official Facebook page even says they're not the Destroyers. "We have now ceased operations. Head Coach Jay Gruden is moving on to the Virginia Destroyers." It's pretty clear they're not the same team. J. Myrle Fuller ( talk) 19:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, here's my proposal for the intro's wording. Please, let's work it out here rather than reverting.
“ | The team's current incarnation originated with the Florida Tuskers, a charter franchise of the UFL who played two seasons from 2009-2010. [21] [22] The Tuskers advanced to the UFL Championship Game in both years, losing both games to the Las Vegas Locomotives. In 2010 the UFL announced it would be adding an expansion team in Virginia Beach for the upcoming season, to be known as the Virginia Destroyers. Prior to the season, however, the league suspended the Tuskers' operations and scrapped its expansion plans, instead relocating the Tuskers organization to Virginia Beach, where it would take on the Virginia Destroyers name. [23] [24] [25] | ” |
Take a look at this sandbox page for how I would do it. Has both teams in one article indicated that the Tuskers partially mergered with the Destroyers. Spshu ( talk) 16:32, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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