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I'm sorry, but I'm a violinist and I wanted to point this out. Fiddlers are violinists who come from the country and play the style of the country, which usually includes Gigues, dances...etc. They are very different from violinists and some of the friends I know (including me sometimes if I wasn't patiently explaining now) would be pretty offended to hear them classified as fiddlers. Not that there's anything wrong, just that we are very very different things. Regeane Silverwolf 03:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't be too tushy, guys. Nobody likes a tushed wikipedian!!! =) But then again, I quite agree with my friend Regeane - there is a difference - or otherwise I would have to call myself a fiddler! silverwolf_athame 22:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Inn-teresting. There is not a sharply defined boundary between the set of violinists and the set of fiddlers. Although there are people who are definitely, without question, one or the other, there are also people who cross between idioms. I'll leave it to someone else to determine which items in the following list put someone in one camp or the other, strongly or weakly, and which are irrrelevant, or are negative stereotypes:
Some are not so obvious. For example, I recently read that Vassar Clements (a fiddler by most accounts) plays an instrument likely made in the 1500s by Gaspar Duiffoprugcar.
You are absolutely correct. I am Irish and Scottish and in our culture, a "fiddle" is simply a violin that is used to play music of a certain genre, such as Irish Rebel music or Irish jigs, reels, etc. There is no such thing as an separate instrument from the violin that is called a fiddle. It is all about the style of music that is played. If one plays Classical music, then it is a violin; if you are playing Flogging Molly's "What's Left of the Flag," then it is a fiddle. Slainte! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suki561Fu ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The Violin is Sometimes called a Fiddle when in celtic or county music otherwise it is a violin. The same goes with the name of the person playing it.-- SJ3000 ( talk) 16:29, 18 September 2008 (GMT)
I find the above comments bizarre to say the least. They also reflect a fair amount of musical snobbery. Which of the catargories of music you like to pigeon-hole things into has more emphasis on emotion and which on rhythm? In my experience, those who like exclusively so-called folk snottishly insist on calling it a fiddle. Those who likewise think they like so-called classical snottishly call it a violin, ignoring that period players (predominantly baroque)also call it a fiddle. Those of us who just like music refuse to get involved in this pointless argument and call the thing arthur. I realise the irony that I have got involved in this pointless argument & now need to bathe in a bath of logic. Free the Squid Six! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.120.9 ( talk) 20:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice to bring this up to featured article status? Apart from the references, what's a wishlist of things to do to make this article better? I'll jump in and help when I can. -- HappyCamper 21:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The bass is not part of the violin family. The based is tuned in forths and has several different characteristics. I will make the correction now. Keegan 22:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading through the article, I spot several mainly stylistic issues:
Because much of the prose and lead will have to be expanded, I've failed this article's GA candidacy. If you wish to disagree with or wish to clarify any of my points, feel free to contact me on my talk page. CloudNine 09:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm directing this Just plain Bill's way, as this seems to be the kind of thing he enjoys puzzling out. Currently, the article is at odds with another article here (surprise, surprise). This article says
while the article on brazilwood begs to differ:
(the article goes on to name several species that are called brazilwood when bows are made of them).
So which is correct? I really have no idea myself. + ILike2BeAnonymous 03:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
In my unscholarly view it is a chord spelled with only two notes. Someone can probably find a theoretical tome that says different. Not invested either way here, but discussion might be useful. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
"Specifies" seems like too strong a term here. That chord article says that experts do not all agree that a chord must have at least three notes. Similar disagreements exist about whether a power chord is really a chord or a dyad or an interval. In the context of solo fiddling, a double stop certainly suggests a chord, although which particular chord is often ambiguous. Power chords are neither major nor minor, and a third or a sixth may suggest different chords; for example, E and G together may be part of a C major or an E minor chord. Dominant seventh chords may be suggested by playing the tritone betweent the third and flat seventh, and so on... If they are used as chords, and sound like chords, why not call them chords? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 21:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
From Tuning: "Another prevalent tuning with these intervals is F-Bb-F-Bb, which corresponds to Sa-Pa-Sa-Pa in the Indian carnatic classical music style. In the North Indian "Hindustani" style, the tuning is usually Pa-Sa-Pa-Sa instead of Sa-Pa-Sa-Pa. This could correspond to Bb-F-Bb-F, for instance." Sa-Pa would be the interval of a fifth, whereas F-Bb is a fourth. Someone correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.138.100.143 ( talk) 14:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
"This article is not the place for extended discussion of historical music pitch standards." May I ask why? It seems to bear some relevance to the history of the instrument. Tristan01101 ( talk) 20:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't see what the big deal is, but I'll leave it at that. Tristan01101 ( talk) 16:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
A request has been made to move Violinist to Violinist (disambiguation), in order to then make Violinist a redirect to Violin. See Talk:Violinist#Requested move. -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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I have great doubts about the third paragraph of the "Classical music" section, and this last sentence in particular:
The fineness of the string quartet is something I've heard plenty of people say. But does "seamless changes from key to key and chord to chord" say anything? I thought all music was supposed to have changes of keys and chords. And "perfect harmonic world"? What are thirds? And why do they ring with less than full resonance in other types of music? I'm almost certainly missing something here, so hopefully someone (preferably a violinist) can enlighten me. Willi Gers07 ( talk) 17:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I've taken the {{fact}} tag off the "can play in any pitch" statement, and slightly reworded it. I have a sketchy reference to "expressive intonation" in Simon Fischer's Basics ( ISBN 1-901507-00-9) in a sidebar on p. 198, where he mentions the term being associated with Pablo Casals. The language in that third paragraph may be overly flowery, but the gist of it is totally defensible. Stay tuned... __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 01:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Good point. I've been fiddling for 12 years, but mainly with a piano, so I can play in tune, but playing in a quartet must be quite tricky. Wunt mind trying, though. What you said about the Brahms sounds particularly intriguing.-- 90.203.120.41 ( talk) 16:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC) By the way, I still can't get this signature to work.
The image for the playing range of the violin is incorrect, and I think it should be deleted because the range of the violin is already stated the "Range" section. However, the range stated in the "Range" section is also incorrect, because the violin can play beyond C8. -- Number Googol ( talk) 02:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think the problem is in the title ("Playing range"), which implies that it is the possible range on the violin. I think the section should be called "Commonly used range" instead. -- Number Googol ( talk) 01:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Forgive me if this doesn't show up right, as I literally just created my account and have no clue how this works, but i have a question. It's not as important as an argument between the differences of a Violinist and Fiddler, but I would really like to know... I have heard of people naming their instruments, whether it be after a beloved grandmother, or even a Greek God. So i was wondering...Why? Is it some sort of tradition, superstition,? I have looked for anything on the web to give me a clue, but no cigar. Any info out there for me?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelle21 318 ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
From context, this should be the first half of the sixteenth century, but could someone who knows please fix this? Thanks. (fotoguzzi) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.235.42 ( talk) 06:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
An unsourced sentence apparently speculating about a direct central Asian predecessor to the violin, through the Silk Road, is followed by a sourced sentence stating instruments from the Middle East and Byzantium as its direct predecessors. Obviously, this mention of a Silk Road connection to north Italy in light of the sourced statement that follows it is either irrelevant (statement about economic trade links in general?), unsourced (claim of an additional direct influence to the violin?) or untrue (claim of an exclusive central Asian origin to the violin?), depending on how you interpret its meaning.
The violin in its present form emerged in early 16th-Century Northern Italy, where the port towns of Venice and Genoa maintained extensive ties to central Asia through the trade routes of the silk road.
The modern European violin evolved from various bowed stringed instruments from the Middle East[4] and the Byzantine Empire.[5][6]
Abvgd ( talk) 12:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Just to make the discussion more interesting: Polish Wikipedia entry for violin
pl:skrzypce claims that the instrument possibly descends from a
gusle (
pl:gęśle) used in Polish lands in the 11th century.
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What are those two articles under "Further Reading" for? Either they are references or they aren't! Looks suspiciously like someone is trying to publicise their papers on the sly. Epeeist smudge ( talk) 14:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The painting from San Zaccaria Altarpiece is a painting of a vielle (or Renaissance fiddle, as it's called in the article). It's nice, and relevant in that it's a forerunner to the violin. But wouldn't a picture of an early violin be more appropriate? The painting of La Madonna degli aranci by Gaudenzio Ferrari (from 1529/30) shows an early violin. I would suggest using this one. Any objections? Mloafness ( talk) 12:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This makes me wonder, really. What was the historical reason to play a violin right under your chin? Komitsuki ( talk) 16:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The first-position fingering chart in the Left hand and pitch production section does not say what finger to use in first position for notes six semitones above the open strings. Is it the third or fourth finger? I suppose there is a reason for this omission, but I don't know what it is, and I guess it would be best to dispel the confusion right away by putting a remark in the description of the chart image. I would do that myself, but, as I am new to the violin, I don't know the answer myself. Can somebody clear this up? Thanks. CountMacula ( talk) 23:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I dove in and added a bit to tone production, and moved the quote relating to Pythagorean tuning since it doesn't have much to do with ringing octaves. I think a bit more could be said about equal temperament vs 'just' tuning etc 118.208.246.237 ( talk) 05:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I've added a section "Posture". While this duplicates information from the article Playing the violin I figured since information on the left and right hands also duplicates information from that article, at least the section on playing in this article should be complete and not leave out an important element such as posture. Contact Basemetal here 13:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Whats the difference in the sound produced by one violin compared
to that produced by lots of violins playing together?
john f 212.183.128.145 ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is it ludicrous that the "Popular Music" subsection is twice as long as all the others combined? It's certainly lopsided to list every pop group with a violin but not a single classical composer. FourViolas ( talk) 03:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Odd shaped violins. I think this is also a good piece of info. Komitsuki ( talk) 07:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
diff Discuss... Just plain Bill ( talk) 19:00, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I do not see the Klotz violin mentioned in the wiki Violin article. I posted a historic reference that the Klotz violin is AMONG the greatest of violin makers and it was deleted. After review and discussion, I agree that my edit was probably in the wrong area, But I believe that the Wiki article lacks credibility by omission of the Klotz family of violin makers. I do not know if this is done out of prejudice or incompetence but someone needs to update the article to reflect reality. Naturally, people believe that I have a conflict of interest having the same last name, but I am not related to the Klotzs of Mittenwald. I only learned about the Mittenwald Klotzs through research of my genealogy where their name appeared as violin makers. Vklotz ( talk) 20:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Soon it will be a week since the tag was applied suggesting a merge with the fiddle article... so far nobody has commented. I do not favor a merge, for the same reason a lot of content was split out into child articles sometime around 2005 or 2006: the parent "Violin" article had grown larger than the recommended limit for Wikipedia articles. Today it is 88KB, big enough that adding large blocks of content is probably not a good idea. Just plain Bill ( talk) 14:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)¥
I have removed the tag. Two weeks have passed without a supporting comment. Just plain Bill ( talk) 13:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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This has a cart-before-horse feel to it, running counter to the notion that the violin started out with a name for being a vulgar street instrument, as opposed to the genteel refined viol. As that story goes, only later did the violin gain entry to the world of art music. I don't know how accurate that is, and welcome comment. Just plain Bill ( talk) 16:38, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I've edited two sections: Double stops and posture.
Double stops: I've never seen the "non divisi" indication, but I've seen "divisi". This means that when you see a double stop in an orchestal part, and there's no indication, you are supposed to play the double stop. Also, triple-stopping in Baroque music sounds good when done well.
Posture: I've added hunching and pain in the left hand, always a bad sign.
190.173.181.208 ( talk) 20:23, 2 May 2018 (UTC) Ezequiel
These are the edits I made:
Pitch range: I've never seen music that demanded the G string to be a D string. If evidence is presented, then this entry may stay. Notes up to C8 can be played stopping the string.
Vibrato: the real reason why vibrato is interesting, it's because it plays a microtone. Think about it. Rocking back and forth allows a distance shorter than a semitone to sound. That's the refreshing effect of vibrato. Now, all that explanation about overtones and sound projection, well, I'm not sure about it, but at least both arguments could cohabitate in the article. Besides, the source for the projection argument has vanished. (I mean, this URL http://www.schleske.de/en/our-research/handbook-violinacoustics/vibrato-of-the-musician.html no longer discusses vibrato).
Open strings: Bach wrote for the open E string, easy enought to check. And drones aren't the exclusive heritage of folk music, so the comparison with bagpipes is off. 190.173.137.18 ( talk) 18:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC) Ezequiel
@ Just plain Bill: I'm wondering.. when I wrote about hunching and pain in the left hand, you didn't say anything. You didn't contest those. And I'm sure you read them. Why didn't you ask for sources then? EzequielBelaus ( talk) 15:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC) HIV/AIDS is a fake disease
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I am a violinist and i would love to add important things that were forgoten.
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Presently the article suggests the terms violin and fiddle are used as synonyms. I would hazard to say that in the term fiddle is used only amusingly, jocosely, or very very casually. They are not the same word and aren't used in the same way. They refer to completely different situations. Pbhressays ( talk) 22:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Vienna symphonic library and Violin Inspriation both said the highest note possible is A7, could someone explain to me why this article says it's B7? 2601:647:4C00:D260:A925:EF1:15B3:6515 ( talk) 21:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
The section on Playing never mentions up bow versus down bow, which seems a basic aspect. I've noted a similar omission in the article on the cello and presumably in articles about other bowed instruments. The natural place to insert this information is the beginning of the section on Bowing techniques, but as a non-violinist I'm hesitant to write anything. Ishboyfay ( talk) 04:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
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The reference to the violin ( /info/en/?search=Violin) as "the basis for the development of other stringed instruments used in Western classical music, such as the viola" is incorrect. The following passage (from /info/en/?search=Violin_family) is correct: "Instrument names in the violin family are all derived from the root viola, which is a derivative of the Medieval Latin word vitula (meaning "stringed instrument")." 2A06:4944:18EA:FE00:0:0:0:4EA3 ( talk) 11:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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I'm sorry, but I'm a violinist and I wanted to point this out. Fiddlers are violinists who come from the country and play the style of the country, which usually includes Gigues, dances...etc. They are very different from violinists and some of the friends I know (including me sometimes if I wasn't patiently explaining now) would be pretty offended to hear them classified as fiddlers. Not that there's anything wrong, just that we are very very different things. Regeane Silverwolf 03:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't be too tushy, guys. Nobody likes a tushed wikipedian!!! =) But then again, I quite agree with my friend Regeane - there is a difference - or otherwise I would have to call myself a fiddler! silverwolf_athame 22:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Inn-teresting. There is not a sharply defined boundary between the set of violinists and the set of fiddlers. Although there are people who are definitely, without question, one or the other, there are also people who cross between idioms. I'll leave it to someone else to determine which items in the following list put someone in one camp or the other, strongly or weakly, and which are irrrelevant, or are negative stereotypes:
Some are not so obvious. For example, I recently read that Vassar Clements (a fiddler by most accounts) plays an instrument likely made in the 1500s by Gaspar Duiffoprugcar.
You are absolutely correct. I am Irish and Scottish and in our culture, a "fiddle" is simply a violin that is used to play music of a certain genre, such as Irish Rebel music or Irish jigs, reels, etc. There is no such thing as an separate instrument from the violin that is called a fiddle. It is all about the style of music that is played. If one plays Classical music, then it is a violin; if you are playing Flogging Molly's "What's Left of the Flag," then it is a fiddle. Slainte! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suki561Fu ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The Violin is Sometimes called a Fiddle when in celtic or county music otherwise it is a violin. The same goes with the name of the person playing it.-- SJ3000 ( talk) 16:29, 18 September 2008 (GMT)
I find the above comments bizarre to say the least. They also reflect a fair amount of musical snobbery. Which of the catargories of music you like to pigeon-hole things into has more emphasis on emotion and which on rhythm? In my experience, those who like exclusively so-called folk snottishly insist on calling it a fiddle. Those who likewise think they like so-called classical snottishly call it a violin, ignoring that period players (predominantly baroque)also call it a fiddle. Those of us who just like music refuse to get involved in this pointless argument and call the thing arthur. I realise the irony that I have got involved in this pointless argument & now need to bathe in a bath of logic. Free the Squid Six! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.120.9 ( talk) 20:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice to bring this up to featured article status? Apart from the references, what's a wishlist of things to do to make this article better? I'll jump in and help when I can. -- HappyCamper 21:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The bass is not part of the violin family. The based is tuned in forths and has several different characteristics. I will make the correction now. Keegan 22:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading through the article, I spot several mainly stylistic issues:
Because much of the prose and lead will have to be expanded, I've failed this article's GA candidacy. If you wish to disagree with or wish to clarify any of my points, feel free to contact me on my talk page. CloudNine 09:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm directing this Just plain Bill's way, as this seems to be the kind of thing he enjoys puzzling out. Currently, the article is at odds with another article here (surprise, surprise). This article says
while the article on brazilwood begs to differ:
(the article goes on to name several species that are called brazilwood when bows are made of them).
So which is correct? I really have no idea myself. + ILike2BeAnonymous 03:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
In my unscholarly view it is a chord spelled with only two notes. Someone can probably find a theoretical tome that says different. Not invested either way here, but discussion might be useful. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
"Specifies" seems like too strong a term here. That chord article says that experts do not all agree that a chord must have at least three notes. Similar disagreements exist about whether a power chord is really a chord or a dyad or an interval. In the context of solo fiddling, a double stop certainly suggests a chord, although which particular chord is often ambiguous. Power chords are neither major nor minor, and a third or a sixth may suggest different chords; for example, E and G together may be part of a C major or an E minor chord. Dominant seventh chords may be suggested by playing the tritone betweent the third and flat seventh, and so on... If they are used as chords, and sound like chords, why not call them chords? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 21:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
From Tuning: "Another prevalent tuning with these intervals is F-Bb-F-Bb, which corresponds to Sa-Pa-Sa-Pa in the Indian carnatic classical music style. In the North Indian "Hindustani" style, the tuning is usually Pa-Sa-Pa-Sa instead of Sa-Pa-Sa-Pa. This could correspond to Bb-F-Bb-F, for instance." Sa-Pa would be the interval of a fifth, whereas F-Bb is a fourth. Someone correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.138.100.143 ( talk) 14:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
"This article is not the place for extended discussion of historical music pitch standards." May I ask why? It seems to bear some relevance to the history of the instrument. Tristan01101 ( talk) 20:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't see what the big deal is, but I'll leave it at that. Tristan01101 ( talk) 16:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
A request has been made to move Violinist to Violinist (disambiguation), in order to then make Violinist a redirect to Violin. See Talk:Violinist#Requested move. -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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I have great doubts about the third paragraph of the "Classical music" section, and this last sentence in particular:
The fineness of the string quartet is something I've heard plenty of people say. But does "seamless changes from key to key and chord to chord" say anything? I thought all music was supposed to have changes of keys and chords. And "perfect harmonic world"? What are thirds? And why do they ring with less than full resonance in other types of music? I'm almost certainly missing something here, so hopefully someone (preferably a violinist) can enlighten me. Willi Gers07 ( talk) 17:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I've taken the {{fact}} tag off the "can play in any pitch" statement, and slightly reworded it. I have a sketchy reference to "expressive intonation" in Simon Fischer's Basics ( ISBN 1-901507-00-9) in a sidebar on p. 198, where he mentions the term being associated with Pablo Casals. The language in that third paragraph may be overly flowery, but the gist of it is totally defensible. Stay tuned... __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 01:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Good point. I've been fiddling for 12 years, but mainly with a piano, so I can play in tune, but playing in a quartet must be quite tricky. Wunt mind trying, though. What you said about the Brahms sounds particularly intriguing.-- 90.203.120.41 ( talk) 16:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC) By the way, I still can't get this signature to work.
The image for the playing range of the violin is incorrect, and I think it should be deleted because the range of the violin is already stated the "Range" section. However, the range stated in the "Range" section is also incorrect, because the violin can play beyond C8. -- Number Googol ( talk) 02:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think the problem is in the title ("Playing range"), which implies that it is the possible range on the violin. I think the section should be called "Commonly used range" instead. -- Number Googol ( talk) 01:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Forgive me if this doesn't show up right, as I literally just created my account and have no clue how this works, but i have a question. It's not as important as an argument between the differences of a Violinist and Fiddler, but I would really like to know... I have heard of people naming their instruments, whether it be after a beloved grandmother, or even a Greek God. So i was wondering...Why? Is it some sort of tradition, superstition,? I have looked for anything on the web to give me a clue, but no cigar. Any info out there for me?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelle21 318 ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
From context, this should be the first half of the sixteenth century, but could someone who knows please fix this? Thanks. (fotoguzzi) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.235.42 ( talk) 06:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
An unsourced sentence apparently speculating about a direct central Asian predecessor to the violin, through the Silk Road, is followed by a sourced sentence stating instruments from the Middle East and Byzantium as its direct predecessors. Obviously, this mention of a Silk Road connection to north Italy in light of the sourced statement that follows it is either irrelevant (statement about economic trade links in general?), unsourced (claim of an additional direct influence to the violin?) or untrue (claim of an exclusive central Asian origin to the violin?), depending on how you interpret its meaning.
The violin in its present form emerged in early 16th-Century Northern Italy, where the port towns of Venice and Genoa maintained extensive ties to central Asia through the trade routes of the silk road.
The modern European violin evolved from various bowed stringed instruments from the Middle East[4] and the Byzantine Empire.[5][6]
Abvgd ( talk) 12:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Just to make the discussion more interesting: Polish Wikipedia entry for violin
pl:skrzypce claims that the instrument possibly descends from a
gusle (
pl:gęśle) used in Polish lands in the 11th century.
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What are those two articles under "Further Reading" for? Either they are references or they aren't! Looks suspiciously like someone is trying to publicise their papers on the sly. Epeeist smudge ( talk) 14:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The painting from San Zaccaria Altarpiece is a painting of a vielle (or Renaissance fiddle, as it's called in the article). It's nice, and relevant in that it's a forerunner to the violin. But wouldn't a picture of an early violin be more appropriate? The painting of La Madonna degli aranci by Gaudenzio Ferrari (from 1529/30) shows an early violin. I would suggest using this one. Any objections? Mloafness ( talk) 12:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This makes me wonder, really. What was the historical reason to play a violin right under your chin? Komitsuki ( talk) 16:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The first-position fingering chart in the Left hand and pitch production section does not say what finger to use in first position for notes six semitones above the open strings. Is it the third or fourth finger? I suppose there is a reason for this omission, but I don't know what it is, and I guess it would be best to dispel the confusion right away by putting a remark in the description of the chart image. I would do that myself, but, as I am new to the violin, I don't know the answer myself. Can somebody clear this up? Thanks. CountMacula ( talk) 23:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I dove in and added a bit to tone production, and moved the quote relating to Pythagorean tuning since it doesn't have much to do with ringing octaves. I think a bit more could be said about equal temperament vs 'just' tuning etc 118.208.246.237 ( talk) 05:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I've added a section "Posture". While this duplicates information from the article Playing the violin I figured since information on the left and right hands also duplicates information from that article, at least the section on playing in this article should be complete and not leave out an important element such as posture. Contact Basemetal here 13:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Whats the difference in the sound produced by one violin compared
to that produced by lots of violins playing together?
john f 212.183.128.145 ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is it ludicrous that the "Popular Music" subsection is twice as long as all the others combined? It's certainly lopsided to list every pop group with a violin but not a single classical composer. FourViolas ( talk) 03:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Odd shaped violins. I think this is also a good piece of info. Komitsuki ( talk) 07:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
diff Discuss... Just plain Bill ( talk) 19:00, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I do not see the Klotz violin mentioned in the wiki Violin article. I posted a historic reference that the Klotz violin is AMONG the greatest of violin makers and it was deleted. After review and discussion, I agree that my edit was probably in the wrong area, But I believe that the Wiki article lacks credibility by omission of the Klotz family of violin makers. I do not know if this is done out of prejudice or incompetence but someone needs to update the article to reflect reality. Naturally, people believe that I have a conflict of interest having the same last name, but I am not related to the Klotzs of Mittenwald. I only learned about the Mittenwald Klotzs through research of my genealogy where their name appeared as violin makers. Vklotz ( talk) 20:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Soon it will be a week since the tag was applied suggesting a merge with the fiddle article... so far nobody has commented. I do not favor a merge, for the same reason a lot of content was split out into child articles sometime around 2005 or 2006: the parent "Violin" article had grown larger than the recommended limit for Wikipedia articles. Today it is 88KB, big enough that adding large blocks of content is probably not a good idea. Just plain Bill ( talk) 14:43, 7 August 2017 (UTC)¥
I have removed the tag. Two weeks have passed without a supporting comment. Just plain Bill ( talk) 13:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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This has a cart-before-horse feel to it, running counter to the notion that the violin started out with a name for being a vulgar street instrument, as opposed to the genteel refined viol. As that story goes, only later did the violin gain entry to the world of art music. I don't know how accurate that is, and welcome comment. Just plain Bill ( talk) 16:38, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I've edited two sections: Double stops and posture.
Double stops: I've never seen the "non divisi" indication, but I've seen "divisi". This means that when you see a double stop in an orchestal part, and there's no indication, you are supposed to play the double stop. Also, triple-stopping in Baroque music sounds good when done well.
Posture: I've added hunching and pain in the left hand, always a bad sign.
190.173.181.208 ( talk) 20:23, 2 May 2018 (UTC) Ezequiel
These are the edits I made:
Pitch range: I've never seen music that demanded the G string to be a D string. If evidence is presented, then this entry may stay. Notes up to C8 can be played stopping the string.
Vibrato: the real reason why vibrato is interesting, it's because it plays a microtone. Think about it. Rocking back and forth allows a distance shorter than a semitone to sound. That's the refreshing effect of vibrato. Now, all that explanation about overtones and sound projection, well, I'm not sure about it, but at least both arguments could cohabitate in the article. Besides, the source for the projection argument has vanished. (I mean, this URL http://www.schleske.de/en/our-research/handbook-violinacoustics/vibrato-of-the-musician.html no longer discusses vibrato).
Open strings: Bach wrote for the open E string, easy enought to check. And drones aren't the exclusive heritage of folk music, so the comparison with bagpipes is off. 190.173.137.18 ( talk) 18:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC) Ezequiel
@ Just plain Bill: I'm wondering.. when I wrote about hunching and pain in the left hand, you didn't say anything. You didn't contest those. And I'm sure you read them. Why didn't you ask for sources then? EzequielBelaus ( talk) 15:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC) HIV/AIDS is a fake disease
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I am a violinist and i would love to add important things that were forgoten.
thanks, Luke Effuheufh ( talk) 16:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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can i help edit Luke the III ( talk) 16:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Presently the article suggests the terms violin and fiddle are used as synonyms. I would hazard to say that in the term fiddle is used only amusingly, jocosely, or very very casually. They are not the same word and aren't used in the same way. They refer to completely different situations. Pbhressays ( talk) 22:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Vienna symphonic library and Violin Inspriation both said the highest note possible is A7, could someone explain to me why this article says it's B7? 2601:647:4C00:D260:A925:EF1:15B3:6515 ( talk) 21:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
The section on Playing never mentions up bow versus down bow, which seems a basic aspect. I've noted a similar omission in the article on the cello and presumably in articles about other bowed instruments. The natural place to insert this information is the beginning of the section on Bowing techniques, but as a non-violinist I'm hesitant to write anything. Ishboyfay ( talk) 04:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
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The reference to the violin ( /info/en/?search=Violin) as "the basis for the development of other stringed instruments used in Western classical music, such as the viola" is incorrect. The following passage (from /info/en/?search=Violin_family) is correct: "Instrument names in the violin family are all derived from the root viola, which is a derivative of the Medieval Latin word vitula (meaning "stringed instrument")." 2A06:4944:18EA:FE00:0:0:0:4EA3 ( talk) 11:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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More like the Symbol “Vi vi” Landonclark178 ( talk) 22:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)