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I suggest we delete this article, as the events causing the media circus have passed out of current concern. Indians are still safer in Australia than they are in India, and still safer in Australia than average Australians. Is there a wiki policy called "Storm in a teacup"? Greglocock ( talk) 22:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
A quick read of the lead shows that it does not adequately summarise the whole article which is required under WP:LEAD . Ie, mu h of the article has no mention in the lead while some details are overly covered in the lead. This will likely help with the above concerns (misconceptions?) about article notability. Regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
OK have at it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Let_the_dust_settle seems to me to be a way forward. Greglocock ( talk) 03:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
This article announces many promises and predictions and intentions to set up commissions and all sorts of things that politicians like to do to please the rabble. From a perspective of 4 years later we should reassess how much of this hot air actually resulted in concrete actions.
I also propose to drastically reduce the level of detail of individual cases, as this is WP:UNDUE. Greglocock ( talk) 18:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
So waht exactly happened?
Currently at least one bar in Geelong is applying for a license extension to serve until 6 am. Police numbers have not kept pace with population growth.
This happened and is one reason why student numbers fell, as a bunch of dodgy visa farms were closed
Dunno what this is trying to say but it fails magnificently
So what happened?
With what results?
yay for them. is this ongoing? has there been a statistical change in knife carrying? or was this just a once in a lifetime feelgood PR exercise?
Did it enact the legislation?
Greglocock ( talk) 23:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
There's a relevant article in today's smh that may have info for this wikipedia article, in case any has time to add it. Which i dont have right at this moment. Here. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 04:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-03/indian-students-describe-sydney-attacks/1702016. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 01:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
There are a number of problems with this article. I started some copyediting on the intro, but I think it needs to be rewritten, possibly broken up into multiple articles. The introduction suggests that the article will be about a specific outbreak of anti-Indian violence in 2009, but the article itself includes discussion of violence in all recent years. The main title further complicates the article. If it's just about the 2009 controversy, 2009 should be in the title. If it's about violence against Indians in Australia in general, perhaps the article would be best merged into Federation of Indian Student Associations in Australia or Discrimination in Australia (if something like that exists).
I removed a line in the introduction about 150,000 Indian students preparing for some sort of Australian "qualification" (??). It was not clearly connected to the content surrounding it.
I also have neutrality concerns. The article seems to jump quickly toward looking for defenses of the violence as "opportunistic" or not racially-motivated. I would think that an even-handed treatment of an issue titled "Violence against Indians" would start off by describing the crimes as racial, and then discuss the controversy, without giving undue weight. For example, the first sentence under "Media coverage" reads, "Indian community leaders in Australia said Indian media has blown the issue out of proportion, and that their coverage could overcast the real issues faced by students." Shouldn't the first sentence under media coverage talk about coverage first and spin second?
Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts. Ultrauber ( talk) 01:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
This article is not a rag bag collection for every violent incident involving Indians in Australia. I suggest that is specifically about a perceived problem in 2009 and 2010 and the resulting media circus. Greglocock ( talk) 22:54, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
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I suggest we delete this article, as the events causing the media circus have passed out of current concern. Indians are still safer in Australia than they are in India, and still safer in Australia than average Australians. Is there a wiki policy called "Storm in a teacup"? Greglocock ( talk) 22:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
A quick read of the lead shows that it does not adequately summarise the whole article which is required under WP:LEAD . Ie, mu h of the article has no mention in the lead while some details are overly covered in the lead. This will likely help with the above concerns (misconceptions?) about article notability. Regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
OK have at it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Let_the_dust_settle seems to me to be a way forward. Greglocock ( talk) 03:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
This article announces many promises and predictions and intentions to set up commissions and all sorts of things that politicians like to do to please the rabble. From a perspective of 4 years later we should reassess how much of this hot air actually resulted in concrete actions.
I also propose to drastically reduce the level of detail of individual cases, as this is WP:UNDUE. Greglocock ( talk) 18:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
So waht exactly happened?
Currently at least one bar in Geelong is applying for a license extension to serve until 6 am. Police numbers have not kept pace with population growth.
This happened and is one reason why student numbers fell, as a bunch of dodgy visa farms were closed
Dunno what this is trying to say but it fails magnificently
So what happened?
With what results?
yay for them. is this ongoing? has there been a statistical change in knife carrying? or was this just a once in a lifetime feelgood PR exercise?
Did it enact the legislation?
Greglocock ( talk) 23:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
There's a relevant article in today's smh that may have info for this wikipedia article, in case any has time to add it. Which i dont have right at this moment. Here. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 04:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-03/indian-students-describe-sydney-attacks/1702016. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 01:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
There are a number of problems with this article. I started some copyediting on the intro, but I think it needs to be rewritten, possibly broken up into multiple articles. The introduction suggests that the article will be about a specific outbreak of anti-Indian violence in 2009, but the article itself includes discussion of violence in all recent years. The main title further complicates the article. If it's just about the 2009 controversy, 2009 should be in the title. If it's about violence against Indians in Australia in general, perhaps the article would be best merged into Federation of Indian Student Associations in Australia or Discrimination in Australia (if something like that exists).
I removed a line in the introduction about 150,000 Indian students preparing for some sort of Australian "qualification" (??). It was not clearly connected to the content surrounding it.
I also have neutrality concerns. The article seems to jump quickly toward looking for defenses of the violence as "opportunistic" or not racially-motivated. I would think that an even-handed treatment of an issue titled "Violence against Indians" would start off by describing the crimes as racial, and then discuss the controversy, without giving undue weight. For example, the first sentence under "Media coverage" reads, "Indian community leaders in Australia said Indian media has blown the issue out of proportion, and that their coverage could overcast the real issues faced by students." Shouldn't the first sentence under media coverage talk about coverage first and spin second?
Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts. Ultrauber ( talk) 01:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
This article is not a rag bag collection for every violent incident involving Indians in Australia. I suggest that is specifically about a perceived problem in 2009 and 2010 and the resulting media circus. Greglocock ( talk) 22:54, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
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