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I don't dispute that he was entitled to DCL, LL.D, FRSC in appropriate contexts. However, it is normal practice not to use educational/professional postnominals where a person's name appears in a general context such as an encyclopedia. DCL and LLD would be fine in a legal context, but not here. JackofOz 04:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Beginning with the first Canadian born Governor-General, the Right Honourable Vincent MASSEY, CC CH GCJ CD, each Canadian Governor-General has been awarded a CD on taking office. This tradition continues because the Governor-General is ex-officio, Commander in Chief of the Canadian Forces.
I have requested a review of this as an A-Class article under the Biography project assessment guidelines. To see the discussion show the details under the Biography banner above. -- KenWalker | Talk 05:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Massey was awarded the Silver Beaver Award of the Boy Scouts of America in 1933 for service to youth, not necessarily in the context of Scouting.
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
The sections Governor General, Later life and Honours are lifted verbatim, with some rearrangement of contents, from the Governor General of Canada website bio on Massey at http://www.gg.ca/gg/fgg/bios/01/massey_e.asp . Presumably the editor who added this material did so in good faith, thinking they were acting in accordance with the permission to reproduce this material for non-commercial purposes set out out at http://www.gg.ca/in-ai/index_e.asp#1 .
However, as Wikipedia articles are reproduced on many commercial forks and mirrors, material copied from elsewhere must be licensed for commercial reproduction as well or cannot be included in Wikipedia. The Commercial Reproduction section of the GG site copyright notice makes clear that the material cannot be reproduced for commercial purposes without permission, and as there has been no assertion of permission, I've regrettably had to remove the offending material, despite the fact that doing so has left a gaping hole in the middle of the article.
I hope another editor will replace these sections in short order with their own work or else GFDL-licensable material. -- Rrburke( talk) 15:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Although this covers Massey to Jean - this is the where the 'disagreement' began. There's no reason for not compromising with me. Simply move the 'investiture stuff' to the top of the content. GoodDay ( talk) 17:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "But, he was not with his new bride long before, at the end of 1915, the United Kingdom, and thus Canada along with it, had declared war on Germany." However, the article concerning World War I, clearly states that the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, on 3 August 1914, which, to my mind is in the middle of 1914 not late 1915. Could someone with better knowledge of Vincent Massey's life correct this error and perhaps provide a clearer description of what Massey was doing during the early part of the war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.171.90 ( talk) 21:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I know much ado is made in some circles about Massey being the first Canadian-born Governor General of Canada. But, must we here? We don't note in the lead of any articles the first Irish-born Governor General of Canada: the Viscount Monck; the first Indian-born: the Lord Lisgar; the first Italian-born: the Earl of Dufferin, the first Chinese-born: Adrienne Clarkson, or the first Haitian-born: Michaëlle Jean. So, why is Massey special in this regard? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed your extraordinary number of edits to Governor General articles, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume that you are asserting ownership.
Adrienne Clarkson's article did mention that she was the first Chinese-born in the lead, before you moved it. Michaëlle Jean's article also mentions that she was the first from the Carribean to be GG, but not in the lead. However, I am not seeking any changes there.
The fact that Vincent Massey was the first Canadian-born Governor General of Canada is at the core of his notability. It is what people know him for, and that is why it should be in the lead. Canadians had been asking for their own representation since the calls for responsible government, and the fact that it took 85 years since the Confederation of Canada for a Canadian to be appointed says a lot about its significance. This was a landmark event at the time, and it is what Massey will be remembered for; not just a GG, but the first Canadian-born. Ng.j ( talk) 19:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
A few points:
Ng.j ( talk) 20:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Massey is special and noteworthy because some people place importance on where a person was born. I don't; to me it has a whiff of xenophobia about it, as though nobody is a real Canadian unless they were born there. Only eight governors general after Massey, Canada had a foreign born viceroy again, and then one more after her. What is the significance? None, as far as I can tell. But, to anyone whom I did hear an opinion from, it was symbolic of an immigrant invasion diluting the true Canadian blood. Such laments go hand in hand with those that cry for the "foreign" queen to be off Canada's money and out of its government.
Anyway, I'm just having a bit of verbal diarrhea this morning. The "Canadian-born" thing is in the lead now. So, I assume the matter is resolved. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The fact that Vincent Massey was the first Canadian born Governor General is a very important fact of Canadian history. I really feel that it should be worked into the opening header text. His period in office marked Canada's coming of age and is often used as a historical marker of the beginning of the individual Canadian identity...-- Oracleofottawa ( talk) 01:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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Though I'm almost certain the anon 2.25.186.230 ( talk · contribs) will simply ignore this comment as he has done at every other article he's followed me to and started a revert war at, I'll try to commence a discussion, anyway: The anon insists on deleting the term "king of Canada" from the lead. From the edit summary of his second revert, it appears the anon has confused the descriptive "king of Canada" with the title "King of Canada". The article never attempted to pretend George VI held the title "King of Canada", it merely explained that he was "king of Canada", i.e. "Canada's king", "king of the country called Canada", however one wants to put it. The user thus has no grounds to delete a perfectly factual and clarifying descriptor. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Spare me the false ad hominem accusations, especially as you launch ad hominem attacks yourself. You made some statements that belie some misunderstandings on your part; that's all I pointed out.
Instead of repeating yourself, how about you address the question I raised? Why is it okay by you to say "[He/she] was in [year] appointed as governor general by Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, on the recommendation of Prime Minister of Canada [X]", but not okay to say "[He/she] was in [year] appointed as governor general by George VI, king of Canada [or some synonymous term], on the recommendation of Prime Minister of Canada [X]"? Please explain your inconsistency. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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I don't dispute that he was entitled to DCL, LL.D, FRSC in appropriate contexts. However, it is normal practice not to use educational/professional postnominals where a person's name appears in a general context such as an encyclopedia. DCL and LLD would be fine in a legal context, but not here. JackofOz 04:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Beginning with the first Canadian born Governor-General, the Right Honourable Vincent MASSEY, CC CH GCJ CD, each Canadian Governor-General has been awarded a CD on taking office. This tradition continues because the Governor-General is ex-officio, Commander in Chief of the Canadian Forces.
I have requested a review of this as an A-Class article under the Biography project assessment guidelines. To see the discussion show the details under the Biography banner above. -- KenWalker | Talk 05:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Massey was awarded the Silver Beaver Award of the Boy Scouts of America in 1933 for service to youth, not necessarily in the context of Scouting.
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
The sections Governor General, Later life and Honours are lifted verbatim, with some rearrangement of contents, from the Governor General of Canada website bio on Massey at http://www.gg.ca/gg/fgg/bios/01/massey_e.asp . Presumably the editor who added this material did so in good faith, thinking they were acting in accordance with the permission to reproduce this material for non-commercial purposes set out out at http://www.gg.ca/in-ai/index_e.asp#1 .
However, as Wikipedia articles are reproduced on many commercial forks and mirrors, material copied from elsewhere must be licensed for commercial reproduction as well or cannot be included in Wikipedia. The Commercial Reproduction section of the GG site copyright notice makes clear that the material cannot be reproduced for commercial purposes without permission, and as there has been no assertion of permission, I've regrettably had to remove the offending material, despite the fact that doing so has left a gaping hole in the middle of the article.
I hope another editor will replace these sections in short order with their own work or else GFDL-licensable material. -- Rrburke( talk) 15:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Although this covers Massey to Jean - this is the where the 'disagreement' began. There's no reason for not compromising with me. Simply move the 'investiture stuff' to the top of the content. GoodDay ( talk) 17:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "But, he was not with his new bride long before, at the end of 1915, the United Kingdom, and thus Canada along with it, had declared war on Germany." However, the article concerning World War I, clearly states that the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, on 3 August 1914, which, to my mind is in the middle of 1914 not late 1915. Could someone with better knowledge of Vincent Massey's life correct this error and perhaps provide a clearer description of what Massey was doing during the early part of the war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.171.90 ( talk) 21:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I know much ado is made in some circles about Massey being the first Canadian-born Governor General of Canada. But, must we here? We don't note in the lead of any articles the first Irish-born Governor General of Canada: the Viscount Monck; the first Indian-born: the Lord Lisgar; the first Italian-born: the Earl of Dufferin, the first Chinese-born: Adrienne Clarkson, or the first Haitian-born: Michaëlle Jean. So, why is Massey special in this regard? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed your extraordinary number of edits to Governor General articles, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume that you are asserting ownership.
Adrienne Clarkson's article did mention that she was the first Chinese-born in the lead, before you moved it. Michaëlle Jean's article also mentions that she was the first from the Carribean to be GG, but not in the lead. However, I am not seeking any changes there.
The fact that Vincent Massey was the first Canadian-born Governor General of Canada is at the core of his notability. It is what people know him for, and that is why it should be in the lead. Canadians had been asking for their own representation since the calls for responsible government, and the fact that it took 85 years since the Confederation of Canada for a Canadian to be appointed says a lot about its significance. This was a landmark event at the time, and it is what Massey will be remembered for; not just a GG, but the first Canadian-born. Ng.j ( talk) 19:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
A few points:
Ng.j ( talk) 20:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Massey is special and noteworthy because some people place importance on where a person was born. I don't; to me it has a whiff of xenophobia about it, as though nobody is a real Canadian unless they were born there. Only eight governors general after Massey, Canada had a foreign born viceroy again, and then one more after her. What is the significance? None, as far as I can tell. But, to anyone whom I did hear an opinion from, it was symbolic of an immigrant invasion diluting the true Canadian blood. Such laments go hand in hand with those that cry for the "foreign" queen to be off Canada's money and out of its government.
Anyway, I'm just having a bit of verbal diarrhea this morning. The "Canadian-born" thing is in the lead now. So, I assume the matter is resolved. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The fact that Vincent Massey was the first Canadian born Governor General is a very important fact of Canadian history. I really feel that it should be worked into the opening header text. His period in office marked Canada's coming of age and is often used as a historical marker of the beginning of the individual Canadian identity...-- Oracleofottawa ( talk) 01:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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Though I'm almost certain the anon 2.25.186.230 ( talk · contribs) will simply ignore this comment as he has done at every other article he's followed me to and started a revert war at, I'll try to commence a discussion, anyway: The anon insists on deleting the term "king of Canada" from the lead. From the edit summary of his second revert, it appears the anon has confused the descriptive "king of Canada" with the title "King of Canada". The article never attempted to pretend George VI held the title "King of Canada", it merely explained that he was "king of Canada", i.e. "Canada's king", "king of the country called Canada", however one wants to put it. The user thus has no grounds to delete a perfectly factual and clarifying descriptor. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Spare me the false ad hominem accusations, especially as you launch ad hominem attacks yourself. You made some statements that belie some misunderstandings on your part; that's all I pointed out.
Instead of repeating yourself, how about you address the question I raised? Why is it okay by you to say "[He/she] was in [year] appointed as governor general by Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, on the recommendation of Prime Minister of Canada [X]", but not okay to say "[He/she] was in [year] appointed as governor general by George VI, king of Canada [or some synonymous term], on the recommendation of Prime Minister of Canada [X]"? Please explain your inconsistency. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)