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References to verify notability: http://www.linux.com/feature/114419 http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox/bring-vim+like-navigation-to-firefox-252695.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.116.143 ( talk) 10:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Modality is a persistent miscatergorization of functional description as formal description. Vimperator doesn't have modes (even less so than vi) for a user. It is a command-driven user interface, much like a shell. In vi, complex commands (mostly insert, ex, visual select) are implemented as input "modes" to make it possible, but they are still commands that can be repeated, undone etc. Please don't keep spreading this unneccessary fallacious appearance of complexity. Emphasize commands or terse/immediate keyboard control with both hands on "home row" most of the time instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.116.143 ( talk) 10:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I think this article needs some other screenshot of Vimperator. One of the advantages of vimp is how it allows you to save screen space by removing the toolbars/menubar/address-bar. Yet the screenshot here has toolbars and address bar turned on - which is contrary to the default settings AND the way most vimp users use it. - Anonymous 16:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.190.222.176 ( talk)
The current screenshots really suck, especially why modify them to remove favicons/logos? Is this really a copyright problem? The new http://www.vimperator.org/vimperator page has quite some nice new screenshots, why not use them? They are also quite a lot newer than the current ones. [Martin Stubenschrott] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.212.136.8 ( talk) 13:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
For several reasons, the sentence concluding the opening paragraph...
As with Vim, users attempt to trade a high learning curve for greater speed and ease of use later on.
...is poor. This sentence is highly biased and should probably be removed completely. If it stays, it should not be worded in terms of what the users attempt to do. Instead, it should be put in terms of what Vimperator offers (i.e., the motivation behind the Vimperator software). The later on should definitely be removed. Finally, what is a "high" learning curve? A learning curve has plots time against learning. Saying that its "high" just means that a lot can eventually be learned. What's pertinent to this sentence is that the learning curve is steep. However, the Vim learning curve is only initially steep; it's a decelerating curve. Once you know that "D" deletes to the end of the line, then you probably figure out that "C" changes to the end of the line and "A" appends the end of the line. It's much easier to pick up as you go on, and so the learning curve is only initially steep. Contrast this with a WYSIWIG editor which is initially shallow but requires lots of time in order to learn how to do anything useful with. What I have there now:
As with Vim, users gain greater speed and ease of use at the cost of an initially steep learning curve.
is just an attempt to keep the same spirit of the sentence there with increased clarity. Again, I really think that the sentence should be removed entirely. What was its intended purpose? Can we put something else there that delivers the same information without sounding biased or asserting the reasons why users use the software? — TedPavlic ( talk) 04:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The newest Vimp screenshot (that goes in the infobox) got removed by a bot because it had no source information. So until that's fixed, we have no infobox screen shot (of course, we could go back to the old one). Right now, I think the page looks better without a screenshot in the infobox because there are screenshots further down the page. Thoughts? — TedPavlic ( talk) 16:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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References to verify notability: http://www.linux.com/feature/114419 http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox/bring-vim+like-navigation-to-firefox-252695.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.116.143 ( talk) 10:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Modality is a persistent miscatergorization of functional description as formal description. Vimperator doesn't have modes (even less so than vi) for a user. It is a command-driven user interface, much like a shell. In vi, complex commands (mostly insert, ex, visual select) are implemented as input "modes" to make it possible, but they are still commands that can be repeated, undone etc. Please don't keep spreading this unneccessary fallacious appearance of complexity. Emphasize commands or terse/immediate keyboard control with both hands on "home row" most of the time instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.116.143 ( talk) 10:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I think this article needs some other screenshot of Vimperator. One of the advantages of vimp is how it allows you to save screen space by removing the toolbars/menubar/address-bar. Yet the screenshot here has toolbars and address bar turned on - which is contrary to the default settings AND the way most vimp users use it. - Anonymous 16:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.190.222.176 ( talk)
The current screenshots really suck, especially why modify them to remove favicons/logos? Is this really a copyright problem? The new http://www.vimperator.org/vimperator page has quite some nice new screenshots, why not use them? They are also quite a lot newer than the current ones. [Martin Stubenschrott] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.212.136.8 ( talk) 13:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
For several reasons, the sentence concluding the opening paragraph...
As with Vim, users attempt to trade a high learning curve for greater speed and ease of use later on.
...is poor. This sentence is highly biased and should probably be removed completely. If it stays, it should not be worded in terms of what the users attempt to do. Instead, it should be put in terms of what Vimperator offers (i.e., the motivation behind the Vimperator software). The later on should definitely be removed. Finally, what is a "high" learning curve? A learning curve has plots time against learning. Saying that its "high" just means that a lot can eventually be learned. What's pertinent to this sentence is that the learning curve is steep. However, the Vim learning curve is only initially steep; it's a decelerating curve. Once you know that "D" deletes to the end of the line, then you probably figure out that "C" changes to the end of the line and "A" appends the end of the line. It's much easier to pick up as you go on, and so the learning curve is only initially steep. Contrast this with a WYSIWIG editor which is initially shallow but requires lots of time in order to learn how to do anything useful with. What I have there now:
As with Vim, users gain greater speed and ease of use at the cost of an initially steep learning curve.
is just an attempt to keep the same spirit of the sentence there with increased clarity. Again, I really think that the sentence should be removed entirely. What was its intended purpose? Can we put something else there that delivers the same information without sounding biased or asserting the reasons why users use the software? — TedPavlic ( talk) 04:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The newest Vimp screenshot (that goes in the infobox) got removed by a bot because it had no source information. So until that's fixed, we have no infobox screen shot (of course, we could go back to the old one). Right now, I think the page looks better without a screenshot in the infobox because there are screenshots further down the page. Thoughts? — TedPavlic ( talk) 16:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)