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Due to exorbitant costs of vignettes aimed at people going to vacation to Croatia and Montenegro and others only passing through Slovenia, the highways are avoided by a large percentage of travellers.
Exorbitant? Large? Any source (beside forums and blogs)?-- AndrejJ ( talk) 05:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think words such as 'exorbitant' should be used in Wikipedia except where exactly attributed to a specific OPINION.
As for the matter at hand, I just returned again from Slovenia and there is a case in the court now asking that Slovenia introduce a 10 day vignette which would be cheaper. As it is now - a visitor from the north driving thru Slovenia from Jesenice (Austrian border) to eg Koper in the south would have paid about 20 Euro return via old toll system and now pay 35 for a 6 month pass. They may save the 15 in gas and time - as the waits for tolls were often terrible at rush times :-). In any case 35 instead of 20 cannot really be called exorbitant - especially if you should use the pass for more than a one-time visit. Going on local roads is an alternative but not a sensible one if time is of any essence. They are more than pleasant if you do want to catch some flavor of Slovenia though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfwoods ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
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It should be noted that the above has a reference reference to http://www.wieninternational.at/en/node/8938.
This URL has a statement that the 35€ 6 month pass is 23 times the previous toll of 1.50€ for 22 km. This is completely erroneous as the motorway in Slovenia runs for probably 200+ km from Austria to southern Slovenia (as well as east to Maribor) and the round trip toll would have been some 20€ on the old system for a one-time round trip.
Had the dubious pleasure of encountering Slovenian bandits last Friday (04/09/08), checked by a posse of five "Scrambled Egg" uniforms, none of whom mentioned vignettes, didn't see a sign asking for one either. Stayed on the minor road to well past Maribor and took the 5km road to the Austrian frontier (no mention of vignettes), the only interest at the frontier was to shout "criminals", just like the old Commies did. Cost? 35€ for the vignette,150€ "fine" for breaking the law.
Nobody minds the EU helping your economy, just remember that when you help yourselves this way you remind us all about the other defects in the EU. When you do this to friendly innocents you lose friends just like they lose their innocence.
Bad luck to Slovenia and sour grapes in your harvest -- Damorbel ( talk) 14:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Deleted paragraph with rumors only. This is encyclopedia and must be given only validate information, not blogs... Be professional. —Preceding
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I updated the "Slovenia" section to reflect current facts.Somebody might check my grammar. I don't see anything disputable in it, so can the flag be removed ? -- Xerces8 ( talk) 09:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there any real reason for this article not to be merged into Toll roads in Europe? Unless anyone's using the stickers outside of Europe, I see no point in having two different lists, we just get duplication or partial information in each article. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 22:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Adding it to Toll roads in Europe would likely make that article too large. There is enough said about a vignette to warrant its own article, it seems. Guffydrawers ( talk) 17:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
It is self evident that the unit referred to in this article (vehicle mass) is the (metric) tonne rather than the imperial long or short ton. RashersTierney ( talk) 09:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Long standing issue, but a new IP seems to be under the impression that ton and tonne are WP:ENGVAR variants of the same mass value. They are not. Rather than engage in edit warring I have asked for outside views. It should be noted that this article has been a target of determined sock puppets in the past. RashersTierney ( talk) 23:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Why has this article been butchered with many images being removed without explanation? JG Murphy ( talk) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The vignettes described in the France section have nothing to do with toll stickers. It was just the way to prove that you paid your car tax. As a tourist you never had to pay a vignette. France always used toll booths on their motorways. I think the same is true for the vignettes in Montenegro. -- 93.130.151.77 ( talk) 22:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, 93.130.151.77. I think you're absolutely right that in France many autoroutes have had a péage (toll) for some decades, and that a vignette to a French speaker is merely proof that the car owner has paid their road tax (see Vignette automobile in French WP). Guffydrawers ( talk) 18:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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IP's added claim "Only offering a CHF 40 yearly option, Switzerland's vignette is the most expensive in Europe for transiting passenger car drivers" is WP:OR and not sourced by the given source ( WP:VER failed). -- ZH8000 ( talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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That the following text be reinserted as an extra paragraph at vignette (road tax)#Switzerland.
This claim is fully backed by the linked reference which expands to [1], which carries vignette pricing for the whole of Europe and fully confirms that because Switzerland is the only country not to offer vignettes valid for shorter periods than a year, then it is the most expensive country in Europe to transit across in one or two days.
Note User:ZH8000 refutes this claim but has not produced any evidence that the provided reference is wrong but has reverted the claim 5 times against multiple editors. This should therefore be considered by a neutral user. 86.149.136.154 ( talk) 17:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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(contrib) 19:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)Reposting this with minor changes from the dispute resolution noticeboard, where Robert McClenon has decided to close the discussion:
After ZH8000's request to have this talk page protected so that my "disruption of serious reasoning" with "unsane (sic) nonsense" can be stopped, and the fact that the current state of the page is in his/her favor - it was probably too much to expect him/her to be willing to discuss at the dispute resolution noticeboard. Nevertheless I'm glad that other people are willing to see eye to eye and contribute new sources! So, how about this for the change:
As Switzerland only offers a CHF 40 (€35.75) yearly option, their vignette is the highest priced one in Europe for transiting and visiting passenger car drivers; other countries offer vignettes valid for shorter periods, which cost less than the Swiss version.
I've added the "cartolleu" reference (in the article defined elsewhere [1]) last as, although it's obviously most up-to-date, it has been accused of synthesis. As TheVicarsCat pointed out on the dispute resolution page, there is criticism of the Swiss vignette practice, for example on this site that he/she linked, so I think that not including anything at all about this is a mistake. (78.0.246.100) 93.136.66.22 ( talk) 02:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
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Switzerland only offers a vignette valid for a year at CHF 40 (€35.75). Because of this, its vignette is the most expensive in Europe for transiting and visiting passenger cars. Other countries offer short-term vignettes that make a transit or visit less expensive than in Switzerland. [4] [1]
Done I kept the German reference in because no one else agreed to its removal.
TheVicarsCat (
talk) 12:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Not done since it is still the same statement violating
WP:VER and
WP:OR. There are no new arguments given supporting the claim, nor any reference supporting the statement – probably by the people as before. Check the
reasoning for the block! --
ZH8000 (
talk) 06:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, this has gone on long enough. There is a consensus for this, so ZH8000 is just being disruptive. It is clear that ZH8000 is determined to be pig headed about this. As he (currently) made seven (7) reverts to the article without providing one shred of evidence for his intransigence, I have raised an edit warring complaint. It can be found here. TheVicarsCat ( talk) 12:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I see this has erupted again with ZH8000 continually reverting his preferred version in the face of the consensus arrived at above (for which he has already been warned and blocked once). He cites a website that reports the cost of traversing between two points in Denmark as demonstrating that Denmark is more expensive. He makes the claim that Denmark has 'comparable natural barriers (sea straits vs Alps)' which, not being claimed by any provided source, is entirely his somewhat biased point of view. Straits are totally different to mountain ranges. But nevertheless, he has completely misinterpreted the source anyway because the source includes, not only the tolls on the roads plus the tolls over the bridges over the straits, but also a representative cost of the fuel required to make the journey (which is a significant component). Thus the comparison is invalid as the Swiss vignette does not include the cost of fuel. Once you subtract the fuel from the Denmark costs, then the cost of traversing Switzerland, remains more expensive. 86.164.128.177 ( talk) 13:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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It was introduced in 1985 at a cost of CHF30 and this was increased to CHF40 in 1995, a level where it has remained ever since. (...) Other countries which have a motorway tax sticker allow people to buy a cheaper, short-term vignette if they only use their motorways for a short time.
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It was introduced in 1985 at a cost of CHF30 and this was increased to CHF40 in 1995, a level where it has remained ever since. (...) Other countries which have a motorway tax sticker allow people to buy a cheaper, short-term vignette if they only use their motorways for a short time.
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This article explains the basics of the vignette system in each country, and documents the costs of fines for not complying. However, only for Switzerland is the price of the vignette mentioned, plus an opinion of their system being unfair compared to others because they do not offer short-term options for tourists. If editors want to make an informative comparison, they should list prices and conditions for every country. Saying that Switzerland is the most expensive country for a single transit is evidently false, as several countries charge much higher prices via highway tolls. In fact, one year of driving in Switzerland costs about as much as a one-way trip from Paris to Lyon. The phrase added via the above discussion should be amended to only mention that visitors to Switzerland must pay the yearly tax, but refrain from attempting to compare this situation with other countries. — JFG talk 11:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Switzerland is the only vignette country that issues only a yearly vignette, and its roads are the most expensive out of that bunch to boot. The methodology has been proved and agreed on above. I posit that that's interesting and article-worthy, and besides it's corroborated by reliable sources. What you're indulging in here is completely and utterly irrelevant WP:OR and WP:SYN. Who is to say that the Chiasso-Basel route in any way interesting? Not even Swiss taxpayers (who aren't the most NPOV of sources) seem interested in discussing that online. I'd also like to remind ZH8000 to be WP:CIVIL. (78.0) 93.136.1.250 ( talk) 22:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Moved from User talk:JFG)
You may have missed the discussion on the talk page, but it has been established that the Swiss vignette represents the most expensive country in Europe to make a day crossing because the vignette is only available in a yearly version. There was a consensus on the talk page for the claim and was generally accepted as fully supported by the comparisons in references in the article.
There is a problem in that a single Swiss user ZH8000 is determined to remove the claim (probably for nationalistic reasons), and keeps coming up with various references that dispute the point (always misrepresented). His latest offering is a site that purports to show that crossing Denmark is more expensive than Switzerland. [1] Unfortunately he has, once again, misrepresented the source he has used because he has used a journey starting in Denmark but ending in Sweden, thus including the most expensive toll bridge/tunnel in Europe connecting Denmark to Sweden (approx. €60). He claims that bridges represent equivalent natural barriers to the mountains in Switzerland (something the source does not support so that certainly is an unsubstantiated opinion). In any event: they are not equivalent because the bridges in Denmark require the payment of tolls to cross (about €20 for the actual Danish bridges that he included), whereas the mountain roads in Switzerland can be traversed for free or, if not, are included in the vignette. 86.146.209.211 ( talk) 18:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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Due to exorbitant costs of vignettes aimed at people going to vacation to Croatia and Montenegro and others only passing through Slovenia, the highways are avoided by a large percentage of travellers.
Exorbitant? Large? Any source (beside forums and blogs)?-- AndrejJ ( talk) 05:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think words such as 'exorbitant' should be used in Wikipedia except where exactly attributed to a specific OPINION.
As for the matter at hand, I just returned again from Slovenia and there is a case in the court now asking that Slovenia introduce a 10 day vignette which would be cheaper. As it is now - a visitor from the north driving thru Slovenia from Jesenice (Austrian border) to eg Koper in the south would have paid about 20 Euro return via old toll system and now pay 35 for a 6 month pass. They may save the 15 in gas and time - as the waits for tolls were often terrible at rush times :-). In any case 35 instead of 20 cannot really be called exorbitant - especially if you should use the pass for more than a one-time visit. Going on local roads is an alternative but not a sensible one if time is of any essence. They are more than pleasant if you do want to catch some flavor of Slovenia though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfwoods ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It should be noted that the above has a reference reference to http://www.wieninternational.at/en/node/8938.
This URL has a statement that the 35€ 6 month pass is 23 times the previous toll of 1.50€ for 22 km. This is completely erroneous as the motorway in Slovenia runs for probably 200+ km from Austria to southern Slovenia (as well as east to Maribor) and the round trip toll would have been some 20€ on the old system for a one-time round trip.
Had the dubious pleasure of encountering Slovenian bandits last Friday (04/09/08), checked by a posse of five "Scrambled Egg" uniforms, none of whom mentioned vignettes, didn't see a sign asking for one either. Stayed on the minor road to well past Maribor and took the 5km road to the Austrian frontier (no mention of vignettes), the only interest at the frontier was to shout "criminals", just like the old Commies did. Cost? 35€ for the vignette,150€ "fine" for breaking the law.
Nobody minds the EU helping your economy, just remember that when you help yourselves this way you remind us all about the other defects in the EU. When you do this to friendly innocents you lose friends just like they lose their innocence.
Bad luck to Slovenia and sour grapes in your harvest -- Damorbel ( talk) 14:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Deleted paragraph with rumors only. This is encyclopedia and must be given only validate information, not blogs... Be professional. —Preceding
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89.212.187.207 (
talk) 14:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I updated the "Slovenia" section to reflect current facts.Somebody might check my grammar. I don't see anything disputable in it, so can the flag be removed ? -- Xerces8 ( talk) 09:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there any real reason for this article not to be merged into Toll roads in Europe? Unless anyone's using the stickers outside of Europe, I see no point in having two different lists, we just get duplication or partial information in each article. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 22:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Adding it to Toll roads in Europe would likely make that article too large. There is enough said about a vignette to warrant its own article, it seems. Guffydrawers ( talk) 17:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
It is self evident that the unit referred to in this article (vehicle mass) is the (metric) tonne rather than the imperial long or short ton. RashersTierney ( talk) 09:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Long standing issue, but a new IP seems to be under the impression that ton and tonne are WP:ENGVAR variants of the same mass value. They are not. Rather than engage in edit warring I have asked for outside views. It should be noted that this article has been a target of determined sock puppets in the past. RashersTierney ( talk) 23:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Why has this article been butchered with many images being removed without explanation? JG Murphy ( talk) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The vignettes described in the France section have nothing to do with toll stickers. It was just the way to prove that you paid your car tax. As a tourist you never had to pay a vignette. France always used toll booths on their motorways. I think the same is true for the vignettes in Montenegro. -- 93.130.151.77 ( talk) 22:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, 93.130.151.77. I think you're absolutely right that in France many autoroutes have had a péage (toll) for some decades, and that a vignette to a French speaker is merely proof that the car owner has paid their road tax (see Vignette automobile in French WP). Guffydrawers ( talk) 18:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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IP's added claim "Only offering a CHF 40 yearly option, Switzerland's vignette is the most expensive in Europe for transiting passenger car drivers" is WP:OR and not sourced by the given source ( WP:VER failed). -- ZH8000 ( talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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That the following text be reinserted as an extra paragraph at vignette (road tax)#Switzerland.
This claim is fully backed by the linked reference which expands to [1], which carries vignette pricing for the whole of Europe and fully confirms that because Switzerland is the only country not to offer vignettes valid for shorter periods than a year, then it is the most expensive country in Europe to transit across in one or two days.
Note User:ZH8000 refutes this claim but has not produced any evidence that the provided reference is wrong but has reverted the claim 5 times against multiple editors. This should therefore be considered by a neutral user. 86.149.136.154 ( talk) 17:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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(contrib) 19:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)Reposting this with minor changes from the dispute resolution noticeboard, where Robert McClenon has decided to close the discussion:
After ZH8000's request to have this talk page protected so that my "disruption of serious reasoning" with "unsane (sic) nonsense" can be stopped, and the fact that the current state of the page is in his/her favor - it was probably too much to expect him/her to be willing to discuss at the dispute resolution noticeboard. Nevertheless I'm glad that other people are willing to see eye to eye and contribute new sources! So, how about this for the change:
As Switzerland only offers a CHF 40 (€35.75) yearly option, their vignette is the highest priced one in Europe for transiting and visiting passenger car drivers; other countries offer vignettes valid for shorter periods, which cost less than the Swiss version.
I've added the "cartolleu" reference (in the article defined elsewhere [1]) last as, although it's obviously most up-to-date, it has been accused of synthesis. As TheVicarsCat pointed out on the dispute resolution page, there is criticism of the Swiss vignette practice, for example on this site that he/she linked, so I think that not including anything at all about this is a mistake. (78.0.246.100) 93.136.66.22 ( talk) 02:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Irrelevant commentary. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:40, 27 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Switzerland only offers a vignette valid for a year at CHF 40 (€35.75). Because of this, its vignette is the most expensive in Europe for transiting and visiting passenger cars. Other countries offer short-term vignettes that make a transit or visit less expensive than in Switzerland. [4] [1]
Done I kept the German reference in because no one else agreed to its removal.
TheVicarsCat (
talk) 12:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Not done since it is still the same statement violating
WP:VER and
WP:OR. There are no new arguments given supporting the claim, nor any reference supporting the statement – probably by the people as before. Check the
reasoning for the block! --
ZH8000 (
talk) 06:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, this has gone on long enough. There is a consensus for this, so ZH8000 is just being disruptive. It is clear that ZH8000 is determined to be pig headed about this. As he (currently) made seven (7) reverts to the article without providing one shred of evidence for his intransigence, I have raised an edit warring complaint. It can be found here. TheVicarsCat ( talk) 12:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I see this has erupted again with ZH8000 continually reverting his preferred version in the face of the consensus arrived at above (for which he has already been warned and blocked once). He cites a website that reports the cost of traversing between two points in Denmark as demonstrating that Denmark is more expensive. He makes the claim that Denmark has 'comparable natural barriers (sea straits vs Alps)' which, not being claimed by any provided source, is entirely his somewhat biased point of view. Straits are totally different to mountain ranges. But nevertheless, he has completely misinterpreted the source anyway because the source includes, not only the tolls on the roads plus the tolls over the bridges over the straits, but also a representative cost of the fuel required to make the journey (which is a significant component). Thus the comparison is invalid as the Swiss vignette does not include the cost of fuel. Once you subtract the fuel from the Denmark costs, then the cost of traversing Switzerland, remains more expensive. 86.164.128.177 ( talk) 13:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
References
It was introduced in 1985 at a cost of CHF30 and this was increased to CHF40 in 1995, a level where it has remained ever since. (...) Other countries which have a motorway tax sticker allow people to buy a cheaper, short-term vignette if they only use their motorways for a short time.
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Alle anderen Länder mit Vignettenpflicht bieten die Möglichkeit an, ihre Autobahnen für kurze Zeit zu einem tieferen Preis zu nutzen.
It was introduced in 1985 at a cost of CHF30 and this was increased to CHF40 in 1995, a level where it has remained ever since. (...) Other countries which have a motorway tax sticker allow people to buy a cheaper, short-term vignette if they only use their motorways for a short time.
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This article explains the basics of the vignette system in each country, and documents the costs of fines for not complying. However, only for Switzerland is the price of the vignette mentioned, plus an opinion of their system being unfair compared to others because they do not offer short-term options for tourists. If editors want to make an informative comparison, they should list prices and conditions for every country. Saying that Switzerland is the most expensive country for a single transit is evidently false, as several countries charge much higher prices via highway tolls. In fact, one year of driving in Switzerland costs about as much as a one-way trip from Paris to Lyon. The phrase added via the above discussion should be amended to only mention that visitors to Switzerland must pay the yearly tax, but refrain from attempting to compare this situation with other countries. — JFG talk 11:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Switzerland is the only vignette country that issues only a yearly vignette, and its roads are the most expensive out of that bunch to boot. The methodology has been proved and agreed on above. I posit that that's interesting and article-worthy, and besides it's corroborated by reliable sources. What you're indulging in here is completely and utterly irrelevant WP:OR and WP:SYN. Who is to say that the Chiasso-Basel route in any way interesting? Not even Swiss taxpayers (who aren't the most NPOV of sources) seem interested in discussing that online. I'd also like to remind ZH8000 to be WP:CIVIL. (78.0) 93.136.1.250 ( talk) 22:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Moved from User talk:JFG)
You may have missed the discussion on the talk page, but it has been established that the Swiss vignette represents the most expensive country in Europe to make a day crossing because the vignette is only available in a yearly version. There was a consensus on the talk page for the claim and was generally accepted as fully supported by the comparisons in references in the article.
There is a problem in that a single Swiss user ZH8000 is determined to remove the claim (probably for nationalistic reasons), and keeps coming up with various references that dispute the point (always misrepresented). His latest offering is a site that purports to show that crossing Denmark is more expensive than Switzerland. [1] Unfortunately he has, once again, misrepresented the source he has used because he has used a journey starting in Denmark but ending in Sweden, thus including the most expensive toll bridge/tunnel in Europe connecting Denmark to Sweden (approx. €60). He claims that bridges represent equivalent natural barriers to the mountains in Switzerland (something the source does not support so that certainly is an unsubstantiated opinion). In any event: they are not equivalent because the bridges in Denmark require the payment of tolls to cross (about €20 for the actual Danish bridges that he included), whereas the mountain roads in Switzerland can be traversed for free or, if not, are included in the vignette. 86.146.209.211 ( talk) 18:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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