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My edit to the article has been reverted with the edit note "Using the passive voice rather than the active is not an improvement". I find this odd since I'm pretty sure I changed it from passive to active.
The police are brought into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services after a death aboard the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil and the mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler.
The mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler and a death on-board the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil bring the police into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services.
A bunch of extra details, which bring the police into conflict with the RN and MI5. (Target, verb, actor).
The series is almost entirely about the police investigation, the sinking and death are catalysts. ( Hohum @) 18:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Ah, perhaps it's the "are brought into conflict" passive verb usage. ( Hohum @) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
This version also describes the episode chronologically; the conflict between the police and the Royal Navy happens later in the episode, and the conflict with MI5 even later than that. Headhitter ( talk) 21:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)The mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler and a death on-board the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil bring the police into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services.
The article at present suggests that the show has won golden opinions. I would just point out here that the show is quite obviously stupid and ridiculous, embodying the considerable contempt for the audience felt by the kind of privileged people who made it, and that this has not gone entirely unnoticed by reliable sources. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2021/09/19/vigil-episode-5-review-laughable-submarine-drama-truly-plumbing/ Khamba Tendal ( talk) 21:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Eboshakey - the issue with your edits is that you're stating that something is fictional within an already established fictional setting. So you're effectively saying that within the universe of Vigil that Wudyan, the drones and the Vigil itself - all are fictional, ie don't actually exist. This is quite obviously not the case within the universe that Vigil is set in.
All items marked as fictional are treated as real in the show, and as X201 points out - nowhere else on Wiki is it necessary to point this out:
It's possible to come up with more and more farcical examples - but the Death Star is a good one, because the opening text of the Death Star article states The Death Star is a
fictional
space station and
superweapon
- and this is appropriate use of the term fictional as it's an out-of-universe description. However, the Star Wars article itself describes the Death Star as the tyrannical
Galactic Empire's
Death Star, a massive
space station capable of destroying entire planets...
- again appropriate because in the Star Wars universe, the Death Star does exactly that.
Examples of where using the term fictional is acceptable would be Captain Proton in Star Trek: Voyager - Captain Proton isn't real in that the characters in Voyager know he's a fictional person, and The Itchy & Scratchy Show - which is a fictional TV show within The Simpsons. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 21:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Vigil is a British police procedural television drama series. Both "police procedural" and (after I just added it in) "drama series" are linked. I also don't think you fully understand what "police procedural" means - again from the target article:
is a subgenre of procedural drama and detective fiction that emphasizes the investigative procedure of police officersIt doesn't matter what they are investigating, just the process that they follow when they are investigating.
Neither is it needed for soap opera, romance fiction and so on- why not? Many completely unrealistic scenarios are present in Soap Operas. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 08:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I don't know why you didn't state you found the solution I was after yourself with the reference to gone with the wind? Ironically I nearly did this before just putting fictional as I thought another user would object.
As for soapbox - oh the irony:
Because of problems with the layout I'm just just outdenting and restarting here. For the record, I am happy with the current version omitting the word "fictional". It didn't work at all for me, sorry. Best wishes to all DBaK ( talk) 16:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
My apology for spelling your name incorrectly. I've already accepted your alternative solution (with the image of the poster of Gone With The Wind in your own link) as stated - note I didn't edit that element again. Beyond that I can see we are not going to agree, so I don't want to wind you up.
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My edit to the article has been reverted with the edit note "Using the passive voice rather than the active is not an improvement". I find this odd since I'm pretty sure I changed it from passive to active.
The police are brought into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services after a death aboard the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil and the mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler.
The mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler and a death on-board the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil bring the police into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services.
A bunch of extra details, which bring the police into conflict with the RN and MI5. (Target, verb, actor).
The series is almost entirely about the police investigation, the sinking and death are catalysts. ( Hohum @) 18:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Ah, perhaps it's the "are brought into conflict" passive verb usage. ( Hohum @) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
This version also describes the episode chronologically; the conflict between the police and the Royal Navy happens later in the episode, and the conflict with MI5 even later than that. Headhitter ( talk) 21:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)The mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler and a death on-board the fictional Vanguard class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vigil bring the police into conflict with the Royal Navy and British security services.
The article at present suggests that the show has won golden opinions. I would just point out here that the show is quite obviously stupid and ridiculous, embodying the considerable contempt for the audience felt by the kind of privileged people who made it, and that this has not gone entirely unnoticed by reliable sources. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2021/09/19/vigil-episode-5-review-laughable-submarine-drama-truly-plumbing/ Khamba Tendal ( talk) 21:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Eboshakey - the issue with your edits is that you're stating that something is fictional within an already established fictional setting. So you're effectively saying that within the universe of Vigil that Wudyan, the drones and the Vigil itself - all are fictional, ie don't actually exist. This is quite obviously not the case within the universe that Vigil is set in.
All items marked as fictional are treated as real in the show, and as X201 points out - nowhere else on Wiki is it necessary to point this out:
It's possible to come up with more and more farcical examples - but the Death Star is a good one, because the opening text of the Death Star article states The Death Star is a
fictional
space station and
superweapon
- and this is appropriate use of the term fictional as it's an out-of-universe description. However, the Star Wars article itself describes the Death Star as the tyrannical
Galactic Empire's
Death Star, a massive
space station capable of destroying entire planets...
- again appropriate because in the Star Wars universe, the Death Star does exactly that.
Examples of where using the term fictional is acceptable would be Captain Proton in Star Trek: Voyager - Captain Proton isn't real in that the characters in Voyager know he's a fictional person, and The Itchy & Scratchy Show - which is a fictional TV show within The Simpsons. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 21:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Vigil is a British police procedural television drama series. Both "police procedural" and (after I just added it in) "drama series" are linked. I also don't think you fully understand what "police procedural" means - again from the target article:
is a subgenre of procedural drama and detective fiction that emphasizes the investigative procedure of police officersIt doesn't matter what they are investigating, just the process that they follow when they are investigating.
Neither is it needed for soap opera, romance fiction and so on- why not? Many completely unrealistic scenarios are present in Soap Operas. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 08:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I don't know why you didn't state you found the solution I was after yourself with the reference to gone with the wind? Ironically I nearly did this before just putting fictional as I thought another user would object.
As for soapbox - oh the irony:
Because of problems with the layout I'm just just outdenting and restarting here. For the record, I am happy with the current version omitting the word "fictional". It didn't work at all for me, sorry. Best wishes to all DBaK ( talk) 16:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
My apology for spelling your name incorrectly. I've already accepted your alternative solution (with the image of the poster of Gone With The Wind in your own link) as stated - note I didn't edit that element again. Beyond that I can see we are not going to agree, so I don't want to wind you up.