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I am adding a picture of a Screamer (front panel only), one of allegedly 7 made, in the possession of designer Brad Carvey. I will try to source a photo of the various Toaster models and maybe screengrabs. I don't believe the bit about George Lee and "The Toaster Microwave" has any validity in this article, and I can find no citation of it anywhere. I propose its removal. I could provide a lot of additional info about the Toaster but it would all be "original research" unless someone interviews Brad in a credible publication. XenonofArcticus ( talk) 17:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
"a relabeled Amiga 2000 or Amiga 4000 containing a plug-in board, along with software to make it communicate with a PC or Apple Macintosh."? As far as I remember the only thing the Mac or PC was used for was to prop up the monitor. Any source to this? // Liftarn
"As I recall, the PC\Apple connection was used to provide a secure backup system, were the Amigas not bad for crashing\over heating?
I'm sure it was as a back up drone, they were used. Axel "
"I don't recall Toasters being especially crashy. I don't think the PC/Mac connector was used for backups, because the link between them was serial, and would have been exceedingly slow. The PC/Mac bit was mostly a farce, it was just a remote UI that ran on the host PC/Mac and allowed you to do the switcher operations without using the Amiga keyboard and Mouse. All other Toaster facilities (Paint, CG, Lightwave) were still Amiga-native only." XenonofArcticus ( talk) 17:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The device was called ToasterLink and was a modified SCSI controller you added to the Amiga and connected to the external SCSI port on a Mac. The Mac software duplicated the Toaster user interface so you could use the Video Toaster without connecting the Amiga to a monitor. There was no PC version of this.
Are you sure about the delay in the first version of the toaster? A delay of 100-200 ms would have required you to store somewhere around 10 fields or 5 frames. That would have been _extremely_ expensive back then. -- 132.199.230.178 17:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The insertion delay of the Video Toaster was 400 nano seconds input to output. If you were running video through the digital channel there was a one frame delay (~34 mS).
The list price of the original Video Toaster was $1495, when Video Toaster 2.0 was released this raised to $2495.
This entry needs more info about a typical Toaster setup. There's no mention that a user still required two or more video tape units to perform edits. The entry does not make it clear that the Toast was *not* an NLE. -- 24.249.108.133 23:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Though it was admittedly one of the better graphically specified computers of the 80s (and particularly in terms of bang-for-buck), I can't see much justification in the Amiga being "unique amongst personal computers in it's ability to run at NTSC TV frequency (15.75khz)"... unique but for almost everything else except the IBM PC (and then, excepting those using a CGA or compatible video card) and certain low-end machines that typically had a built-in or bespoke monochrome monitor, then? Practically all non-IBM home computers I can name would be quite happy plugging directly into a standard television (NTSC or PAL), albeit some needing a seperate RF modulator if the television lacked a composite or RGB (component/SCART) input.
Most particularly, the Atari ST (& extended family covering STe, Mega ST/e, TT and Falcon), arguably the Amiga (family)'s main direct rival - even the early model I personally own having both composite and RGB SCART output capabilities to regular televisions (and tunerless TV-circuitry based monitors) at PAL 15625/50 and NTSC 15750/60 frequencies.
Now I think about it some more, did you maybe mean that the Amiga had a built-in GenLock, and otherwise specialist and typically expensive item that could match the machine's output frequency and H/V sync/blanking to that of an input, allowing for much easier production of graphics overlays? With the ST/etc obviously requiring a seperate, and necessarily even more complicated external box to carry out the same feature (of which I only saw one or two ever featured in an ST magazine, alongside much more basic video editing or titling software, for excessive prices). 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 23:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Should this article not be renamed TriCaster, the Video Toaster has been renamed by NewTeck right??? 22:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.35.143 ( talk)
My understanding is that there was never a PAL version of the original video toaster (*), because Sony (IIRC) never made a PAL version of the chip it was based around...? However, the opening statement says
...which implies that there was an Amiga-based PAL version. Can someone please clarify this?
(*) IIRC someone released a "PAL" Video Toaster in the UK, but it was just an NTSC model with an NTSC -> PAL converter slapped on (which sounds like it would do horrible things to both sharpness of the video and smoothness of motion, particularly if they did it two ways).
Ubcule ( talk) 21:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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I am adding a picture of a Screamer (front panel only), one of allegedly 7 made, in the possession of designer Brad Carvey. I will try to source a photo of the various Toaster models and maybe screengrabs. I don't believe the bit about George Lee and "The Toaster Microwave" has any validity in this article, and I can find no citation of it anywhere. I propose its removal. I could provide a lot of additional info about the Toaster but it would all be "original research" unless someone interviews Brad in a credible publication. XenonofArcticus ( talk) 17:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
"a relabeled Amiga 2000 or Amiga 4000 containing a plug-in board, along with software to make it communicate with a PC or Apple Macintosh."? As far as I remember the only thing the Mac or PC was used for was to prop up the monitor. Any source to this? // Liftarn
"As I recall, the PC\Apple connection was used to provide a secure backup system, were the Amigas not bad for crashing\over heating?
I'm sure it was as a back up drone, they were used. Axel "
"I don't recall Toasters being especially crashy. I don't think the PC/Mac connector was used for backups, because the link between them was serial, and would have been exceedingly slow. The PC/Mac bit was mostly a farce, it was just a remote UI that ran on the host PC/Mac and allowed you to do the switcher operations without using the Amiga keyboard and Mouse. All other Toaster facilities (Paint, CG, Lightwave) were still Amiga-native only." XenonofArcticus ( talk) 17:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The device was called ToasterLink and was a modified SCSI controller you added to the Amiga and connected to the external SCSI port on a Mac. The Mac software duplicated the Toaster user interface so you could use the Video Toaster without connecting the Amiga to a monitor. There was no PC version of this.
Are you sure about the delay in the first version of the toaster? A delay of 100-200 ms would have required you to store somewhere around 10 fields or 5 frames. That would have been _extremely_ expensive back then. -- 132.199.230.178 17:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The insertion delay of the Video Toaster was 400 nano seconds input to output. If you were running video through the digital channel there was a one frame delay (~34 mS).
The list price of the original Video Toaster was $1495, when Video Toaster 2.0 was released this raised to $2495.
This entry needs more info about a typical Toaster setup. There's no mention that a user still required two or more video tape units to perform edits. The entry does not make it clear that the Toast was *not* an NLE. -- 24.249.108.133 23:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Though it was admittedly one of the better graphically specified computers of the 80s (and particularly in terms of bang-for-buck), I can't see much justification in the Amiga being "unique amongst personal computers in it's ability to run at NTSC TV frequency (15.75khz)"... unique but for almost everything else except the IBM PC (and then, excepting those using a CGA or compatible video card) and certain low-end machines that typically had a built-in or bespoke monochrome monitor, then? Practically all non-IBM home computers I can name would be quite happy plugging directly into a standard television (NTSC or PAL), albeit some needing a seperate RF modulator if the television lacked a composite or RGB (component/SCART) input.
Most particularly, the Atari ST (& extended family covering STe, Mega ST/e, TT and Falcon), arguably the Amiga (family)'s main direct rival - even the early model I personally own having both composite and RGB SCART output capabilities to regular televisions (and tunerless TV-circuitry based monitors) at PAL 15625/50 and NTSC 15750/60 frequencies.
Now I think about it some more, did you maybe mean that the Amiga had a built-in GenLock, and otherwise specialist and typically expensive item that could match the machine's output frequency and H/V sync/blanking to that of an input, allowing for much easier production of graphics overlays? With the ST/etc obviously requiring a seperate, and necessarily even more complicated external box to carry out the same feature (of which I only saw one or two ever featured in an ST magazine, alongside much more basic video editing or titling software, for excessive prices). 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 23:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Should this article not be renamed TriCaster, the Video Toaster has been renamed by NewTeck right??? 22:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.35.143 ( talk)
My understanding is that there was never a PAL version of the original video toaster (*), because Sony (IIRC) never made a PAL version of the chip it was based around...? However, the opening statement says
...which implies that there was an Amiga-based PAL version. Can someone please clarify this?
(*) IIRC someone released a "PAL" Video Toaster in the UK, but it was just an NTSC model with an NTSC -> PAL converter slapped on (which sounds like it would do horrible things to both sharpness of the video and smoothness of motion, particularly if they did it two ways).
Ubcule ( talk) 21:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)