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Theres a tad confusion. Whilst most episodes are 45 minutes, according to the bbc press office, this episode is 65 minutes, going from 6:20-7:25. Possible discussion on this?
Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2010/wk16/sat.shtml#sat_drwho
Goku1st ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Pretty sure the last time we had Daleks was the season 4 finale, not Waters of Mars? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.68.151 ( talk) 03:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
nope, they were in waters of mars. Ratemonth ( talk) 03:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Still seems a misleading way of phrasing the point, since they only feature in a short cameo, in flashback. It'd be like listing the Sycorax's previous story as The End of Time because of the bar scene at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.233.158 ( talk) 07:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
And going on about the difference between a "full appearance" and a flashback in other episodes in the lead of this article looks very unencyclopedic. If there's to be a whole sentence detailing the difference of the Daleks' appearance in Journeys' End and Waters of Mars, then I say delete the whole sentence and don't mention it at all. It's not important enough to warrant being in the lead of the article. Ratemonth ( talk) 13:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
There's a problem with the link in reference 5 - perhaps change it to BBC press office 188.221.79.22 ( talk) 13:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Done
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I just wanted to change the episode plotline with this:
The Doctor and Amy are called to London during the Second World War by an old friend of the Doctor: Winston Churchill.
It's the height of the Blitz and the cabinet war room quakes from the German bombs pounding the streets above. Churchill has had enough and, with a glint in his eye, says, "Time to roll out the secret weapon." The Bracewell Ironside (a Dalek), and when the Doctor spies his greatest enemy aiding the Allied effort, carrying box files and toadying around government high-ups asking, "Would you care for some tea?" he knows something is horribly wrong.
Deadpoolninja ( talk) 10:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
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16:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)The correct spelling of "Progenitor" is "Progenator". Look here. 86.28.171.246 ( talk) 20:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
The concept art is currently the single most reliable source, so I would agree with using the spelling on that art until a more concrete source is available. In my experience, subtitles are often littered with spelling errors, especially on Sc-Fi shows with it's weirder words. magnius ( talk) 12:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning the irony of the Daleks fighting for the British considering who it was that Terry Nation based them on? (See paragraph 3) Jrmh ( talk) 20:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
... is an obvious allusion to the Daleks' "I am your servant" catchphrase in " Power of the Daleks". Nick Briggs even performs the line in exactly the same way. I know there's no point in adding it to the article now as it won't get past the OR police, so it would be nice if anyone could find a reference - was it mentioned in the Confidential by any chance?-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 22:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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Is it ever stated outright that these are the Davros-grown Daleks? It would make just as much sense for them to be Daleks from Bad Wolf, grown out of human tissue. Since the Daleks have always been genetically engineered from Davros' species, it would make more sense to believe that the Progenitor doesn't recognize them because they're basically mutant humans, not because they're improperly-mutated Kaleds. They merely said they escaped the Doctor's final stroke by fleeing through time, not that they escaped the Reality Bomb. They could have been escaping Rose. Just a thought. 68.102.228.96 ( talk) 01:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Any other editors feel it is worth removing this tag now? The intro seems to now provide adequate information.
I've removed this as being inaccurate.
The link is to a review of Russell T Davies' "The Writer's Tale" which states: "that World War 2 script looks like it's been hanging around for a while, for example, but got shunted out the way in series four because of promises to Freema Agyeman among others (assuming that's Mark Gatiss's that is)."
This is an assumption on the part of the reviewer and is incorrect.
The actual text from Davies book merely says:
"World War II. Monsters on the loose in the Natural History Museum as a Nazi strike-force invades... Plus, an Indiana Jones-type chamber hidden beneath, with sliding stone doors and stuff." (p. 19)
No mention of Daleks, of Winston Churchill, of the Blitz, or any of the other elements that appear in "Victory of the Daleks". As I say, the only similarity is the era that the two stories are set in.
Furthermore, the only reasons given for Gatiss' World War II script not being produced under Davies are Davies' statement that "I'm worried about recreating World War II again so soon" (p.19) and that it was replaced by the Pompeii episode (p. 69). There is certainly no evidence at all that its being "shunted" had anything to do with Freema Agyeman! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.8.226 ( talk) 08:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
At the back of the book "Prisoner of the Daleks" it has a blurb for "The Dalek Project" which is remarkably similar to this episode. For example, it's set in world war 1 and a human claims to have invented the Daleks for use as weapons. Is it possible this episode was based on that? Dalek9 ( talk) 10:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
"The Daleks retrieved it, planning to create a new race of Daleks, but were unable to activate the capsule, as it couldn't identify them as pure Daleks, due to their DNA coming from Davros" Does this add up? Since Davros is a Kaled (I don't thionk this has ever been disputed?), surely the Daleks created from his cells they must be considered pure daleks? As such, the Progenator should have responded to their requests.
Jpmct ( talk) 11:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct
I removed the section linking to the Sun:
I think I've tracked down that Gallifrey Base poll on the forum here: http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45652 (note: accessing the forum requires registration, captcha check, acceptance of terms and conditions and two pints of blood). The final results were:
A Great Re-invention! 307 12.41% Very Good Job 433 17.51% They Were Ok 512 20.70% Didn't Really Like Them 620 25.07% Absolutely Awful! 601 24.30%
which is hardly a "unanimous 'thumbs down'". Take that out, and there's not much substantial taken from the Sun article that makes it worth including at all. The last bit about "dodgem Daleks" doesn't seem to be sourced at all. 81.142.107.230 ( talk) 14:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry but "Final consolidated ratings for BBC One were 7.92 million and 381,000 for BBC HD, therefore making the total 8.2 million viewers." makes perfect, logical sense to me as a native English speaker from England, the addition of the word "to" just seems to stop the sentence from scanning properly. Jasonfward ( talk) 14:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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Theres a tad confusion. Whilst most episodes are 45 minutes, according to the bbc press office, this episode is 65 minutes, going from 6:20-7:25. Possible discussion on this?
Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2010/wk16/sat.shtml#sat_drwho
Goku1st ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Pretty sure the last time we had Daleks was the season 4 finale, not Waters of Mars? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.68.151 ( talk) 03:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
nope, they were in waters of mars. Ratemonth ( talk) 03:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Still seems a misleading way of phrasing the point, since they only feature in a short cameo, in flashback. It'd be like listing the Sycorax's previous story as The End of Time because of the bar scene at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.233.158 ( talk) 07:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
And going on about the difference between a "full appearance" and a flashback in other episodes in the lead of this article looks very unencyclopedic. If there's to be a whole sentence detailing the difference of the Daleks' appearance in Journeys' End and Waters of Mars, then I say delete the whole sentence and don't mention it at all. It's not important enough to warrant being in the lead of the article. Ratemonth ( talk) 13:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
There's a problem with the link in reference 5 - perhaps change it to BBC press office 188.221.79.22 ( talk) 13:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Done
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15:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}}
I just wanted to change the episode plotline with this:
The Doctor and Amy are called to London during the Second World War by an old friend of the Doctor: Winston Churchill.
It's the height of the Blitz and the cabinet war room quakes from the German bombs pounding the streets above. Churchill has had enough and, with a glint in his eye, says, "Time to roll out the secret weapon." The Bracewell Ironside (a Dalek), and when the Doctor spies his greatest enemy aiding the Allied effort, carrying box files and toadying around government high-ups asking, "Would you care for some tea?" he knows something is horribly wrong.
Deadpoolninja ( talk) 10:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
{{
edit semi-protected}}
template. The tone of your suggestion, while amusing, is not really encyclopedic, so I suggest you get a consensus from others involved in editing Doctor Who articles, such as
WikiProject Doctor Who. --
Darkwind (
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16:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)The correct spelling of "Progenitor" is "Progenator". Look here. 86.28.171.246 ( talk) 20:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
The concept art is currently the single most reliable source, so I would agree with using the spelling on that art until a more concrete source is available. In my experience, subtitles are often littered with spelling errors, especially on Sc-Fi shows with it's weirder words. magnius ( talk) 12:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning the irony of the Daleks fighting for the British considering who it was that Terry Nation based them on? (See paragraph 3) Jrmh ( talk) 20:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
... is an obvious allusion to the Daleks' "I am your servant" catchphrase in " Power of the Daleks". Nick Briggs even performs the line in exactly the same way. I know there's no point in adding it to the article now as it won't get past the OR police, so it would be nice if anyone could find a reference - was it mentioned in the Confidential by any chance?-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 22:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Is it ever stated outright that these are the Davros-grown Daleks? It would make just as much sense for them to be Daleks from Bad Wolf, grown out of human tissue. Since the Daleks have always been genetically engineered from Davros' species, it would make more sense to believe that the Progenitor doesn't recognize them because they're basically mutant humans, not because they're improperly-mutated Kaleds. They merely said they escaped the Doctor's final stroke by fleeing through time, not that they escaped the Reality Bomb. They could have been escaping Rose. Just a thought. 68.102.228.96 ( talk) 01:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Any other editors feel it is worth removing this tag now? The intro seems to now provide adequate information.
I've removed this as being inaccurate.
The link is to a review of Russell T Davies' "The Writer's Tale" which states: "that World War 2 script looks like it's been hanging around for a while, for example, but got shunted out the way in series four because of promises to Freema Agyeman among others (assuming that's Mark Gatiss's that is)."
This is an assumption on the part of the reviewer and is incorrect.
The actual text from Davies book merely says:
"World War II. Monsters on the loose in the Natural History Museum as a Nazi strike-force invades... Plus, an Indiana Jones-type chamber hidden beneath, with sliding stone doors and stuff." (p. 19)
No mention of Daleks, of Winston Churchill, of the Blitz, or any of the other elements that appear in "Victory of the Daleks". As I say, the only similarity is the era that the two stories are set in.
Furthermore, the only reasons given for Gatiss' World War II script not being produced under Davies are Davies' statement that "I'm worried about recreating World War II again so soon" (p.19) and that it was replaced by the Pompeii episode (p. 69). There is certainly no evidence at all that its being "shunted" had anything to do with Freema Agyeman! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.8.226 ( talk) 08:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
At the back of the book "Prisoner of the Daleks" it has a blurb for "The Dalek Project" which is remarkably similar to this episode. For example, it's set in world war 1 and a human claims to have invented the Daleks for use as weapons. Is it possible this episode was based on that? Dalek9 ( talk) 10:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
"The Daleks retrieved it, planning to create a new race of Daleks, but were unable to activate the capsule, as it couldn't identify them as pure Daleks, due to their DNA coming from Davros" Does this add up? Since Davros is a Kaled (I don't thionk this has ever been disputed?), surely the Daleks created from his cells they must be considered pure daleks? As such, the Progenator should have responded to their requests.
Jpmct ( talk) 11:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct
I removed the section linking to the Sun:
I think I've tracked down that Gallifrey Base poll on the forum here: http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45652 (note: accessing the forum requires registration, captcha check, acceptance of terms and conditions and two pints of blood). The final results were:
A Great Re-invention! 307 12.41% Very Good Job 433 17.51% They Were Ok 512 20.70% Didn't Really Like Them 620 25.07% Absolutely Awful! 601 24.30%
which is hardly a "unanimous 'thumbs down'". Take that out, and there's not much substantial taken from the Sun article that makes it worth including at all. The last bit about "dodgem Daleks" doesn't seem to be sourced at all. 81.142.107.230 ( talk) 14:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry but "Final consolidated ratings for BBC One were 7.92 million and 381,000 for BBC HD, therefore making the total 8.2 million viewers." makes perfect, logical sense to me as a native English speaker from England, the addition of the word "to" just seems to stop the sentence from scanning properly. Jasonfward ( talk) 14:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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