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Recently, I have observed that well-sourced information on the position of the party has repeatedly been removed without any relevant justification. An editor postulated, incorrectly, that English and non-Turkish sources are not appropriate for the matter of this article, and called the Turkish sources "biased", without providing any basis for these claims and assumptions, and removed said content from the article. Please be reminded that Wikipedia cannot be used as a platform for political discussion or propaganda. A multitude of sources agree that the party is a far-right party, and these sources have been provided. Simple claims of "bias" and "unreliablity" for relatively large publications and newspapers such as those provided are not enough to discredit them. Please refer to WP:RS and WP:V, and post your concerns on the talk page instead of removing content from the article without providing necessary justification, which can be considered vandalism. Egeyam ( talk) 11:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Opposing ILLEGAL migration does not mean far-right politics and saying syrians should go back their country neither. Civil war in Syria is about the end and Syrian state pardons all of its citizens criminal or not. Most of the opposition parties in Turkey have the same political views. The Turkish government media and German state-affiliated media accuses the party of being racist and far-right. 178.240.17.210 ( talk) 01:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
This party is only Right-wing, not far-right. Please watch last Ümit Özdağ's broadcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolunayingolgesi ( talk • contribs) 04:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I would disagree with your statement about foreign sources, and actually say the converse. Outside viewpoints are naturally less biased. Egeyam ( talk) 13:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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I am neither opposing nor agreeing with this claim, but definitely better sources are needed. I already removed them and provided my reasoning in the talk page but they were added back. Let's see what these sources are:
- Financial Times, "Tension over Turkey's 4mn refugees nears boiling point" - I am unable to read it without a subscription, but it is definitely a reliable source.
- Daily Sabah, "Battle of words between Soylu, Özdağ turns into standoff" - Daily Sabah, according to the well cited statements in its wiki page, is a "pro-government daily", "mouthpiece of the AKP", and "has been described as using transparent and ill-formed, Turkish-style propaganda to advance the AKP government's version of events". It is not an acceptable source for an opposition party.
- Bianet English, "Higher inflation for the poor, controversy in politics" - I think Bianet is reputable enough but it merely mentions Umit Ozdag as a far-right in a "Weekly Roundup" of quick news stories from that week. We can surely have a better source than this, if this is indeed a far-right political party.
- KARAR, "Türk siyasetinin yabancı düşmanlığı ile imtihanı - Osman Sert" - This is an opinion piece / column, in the online newspaper KARAR that I am not familiar with. It is not a news article and cannot be treated as a source.
- Business Standard India, "Erdogan vows to send 1 mn refugees back to Syria amid Opposition's push" - Seems to be a reliable source as well.
In short, the sources from Daily Sabah, and KARAR definitely need to be removed, and possibly also Bianet.
Homorebelus ( talk) 20:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
References
ZP is not a far right party. The numerous references given have no relation whatsoever to the "far-rightness" of this party. Labeling any right-wing or nationalist party as "far right" is ridiculous. Whoever made this edit has an agenda. -- Infestor ( talk) 22:01, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
“During the 2023 Turkiye-Syria earthquake one of the major leaders of the party Ümit Özdağ made a baseless claim that refugees were looting Turkish cities and other false information within the first hours of the disaster.”
I believe this is a good starting position. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:5CDE ( talk) 18:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Neofascism has to be included within the ideologies as it is what most supporters of the party adhere to. 176.218.62.17 ( talk) 12:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Recently, I have observed that well-sourced information on the position of the party has repeatedly been removed without any relevant justification. An editor postulated, incorrectly, that English and non-Turkish sources are not appropriate for the matter of this article, and called the Turkish sources "biased", without providing any basis for these claims and assumptions, and removed said content from the article. Please be reminded that Wikipedia cannot be used as a platform for political discussion or propaganda. A multitude of sources agree that the party is a far-right party, and these sources have been provided. Simple claims of "bias" and "unreliablity" for relatively large publications and newspapers such as those provided are not enough to discredit them. Please refer to WP:RS and WP:V, and post your concerns on the talk page instead of removing content from the article without providing necessary justification, which can be considered vandalism. Egeyam ( talk) 11:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Opposing ILLEGAL migration does not mean far-right politics and saying syrians should go back their country neither. Civil war in Syria is about the end and Syrian state pardons all of its citizens criminal or not. Most of the opposition parties in Turkey have the same political views. The Turkish government media and German state-affiliated media accuses the party of being racist and far-right. 178.240.17.210 ( talk) 01:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
This party is only Right-wing, not far-right. Please watch last Ümit Özdağ's broadcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolunayingolgesi ( talk • contribs) 04:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I would disagree with your statement about foreign sources, and actually say the converse. Outside viewpoints are naturally less biased. Egeyam ( talk) 13:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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I am neither opposing nor agreeing with this claim, but definitely better sources are needed. I already removed them and provided my reasoning in the talk page but they were added back. Let's see what these sources are:
- Financial Times, "Tension over Turkey's 4mn refugees nears boiling point" - I am unable to read it without a subscription, but it is definitely a reliable source.
- Daily Sabah, "Battle of words between Soylu, Özdağ turns into standoff" - Daily Sabah, according to the well cited statements in its wiki page, is a "pro-government daily", "mouthpiece of the AKP", and "has been described as using transparent and ill-formed, Turkish-style propaganda to advance the AKP government's version of events". It is not an acceptable source for an opposition party.
- Bianet English, "Higher inflation for the poor, controversy in politics" - I think Bianet is reputable enough but it merely mentions Umit Ozdag as a far-right in a "Weekly Roundup" of quick news stories from that week. We can surely have a better source than this, if this is indeed a far-right political party.
- KARAR, "Türk siyasetinin yabancı düşmanlığı ile imtihanı - Osman Sert" - This is an opinion piece / column, in the online newspaper KARAR that I am not familiar with. It is not a news article and cannot be treated as a source.
- Business Standard India, "Erdogan vows to send 1 mn refugees back to Syria amid Opposition's push" - Seems to be a reliable source as well.
In short, the sources from Daily Sabah, and KARAR definitely need to be removed, and possibly also Bianet.
Homorebelus ( talk) 20:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
References
ZP is not a far right party. The numerous references given have no relation whatsoever to the "far-rightness" of this party. Labeling any right-wing or nationalist party as "far right" is ridiculous. Whoever made this edit has an agenda. -- Infestor ( talk) 22:01, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
“During the 2023 Turkiye-Syria earthquake one of the major leaders of the party Ümit Özdağ made a baseless claim that refugees were looting Turkish cities and other false information within the first hours of the disaster.”
I believe this is a good starting position. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:5CDE ( talk) 18:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Neofascism has to be included within the ideologies as it is what most supporters of the party adhere to. 176.218.62.17 ( talk) 12:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)