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In the Academical Achievement and International Baccalaureate Program, some of the information is out of date. The data in Academic Achievements are from 2010/2011, which are too long to be reliable. Also, data from International Baccalaureate program is located at2013, which is also too long to be consider reliable and referencable content. I wish someone who have the information to update the content.
I really don't think half of this article should be on here. Maybe a mention of the school newspaper, but everyone who works on it? I don't think it should be there. Thoughts? Iansmcl 01:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Besides the fact that schools get to be on Wikipedia, half this article IS pretty much unimportant... Library? Accelerated Reader? Seems like spam edits or a little too much self-importance to me. Uncompetence 14:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't move Victoria Park Collegiate Institute to another Wikipedia Title. IB World School is an attribute of Victoria Park, not its sole purpose. Uncompetence 21:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
For our grade 9 english assgnment, we were supposed to create this as a class. I'm sorry if it is very long or very tedious and useless to read, but we will be printing and handing it in on Friday, so could you stop deleting the paragraphs that our class has wrote. mongoose 8 21:28, 30 May 2007
Re: Mongoose 8 This is Wikipedia, an online resource provided to everyone, not simply a grade 9 class who wishes to commandeer the page for their personal work. Uncompetence 01:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: Imcompetence This article isn't locked so only we can edit it. You can change all you want, but just don't go around deleting people's work with disrespect. Just wait until Friday. mongoose 8 21:41, 30 May 2007
The Victoria Park C.I. school page is a work in progress by multiple users who are currently researching the information in person and through school records that are not available to others. This is not by any means "personal work" as it is meant to be beneficial for the entire online community. ChokingOnALifesaver 22:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Re::::, Mongoose8, I would like to say please stop talking so immaturely, even though I am on your side.
to these admins; I don't understand why this article is under question. It definately seems to have a lot of information and who are you to judge whether something is 'right' or 'wrong'?
What is wrong with having some extra information, while relating still to the school's structure? and just so you know incompetence, which definately decribes you clearly, the accelerated reader and library are indeed facilities in the school. I'm sorry that your school did not offer a library.
mongoose8, you should stay on a professional level. i believe that it is okay for the admins to delete parts and pieces of the articles they find unappropriate in wikipedia, and should not wait to a day when a class is finished, but it is NOT okay that they delete these without legit reasoning and understanding, that is unacceptable.
and lastly, who are you to judge whether someone is of enough importance or not? rephrasing what you said, this IS an encyclopedia, and a "wiki" one too. Being an admin, i suppose you'd know that. I guess i was mistaken.
I demand this "neutrality" tag be removed, as most of the information there is not only accurate, but painstaking written, as you can tell from mongoose8's post. Sure there are a few extra details here and there, but I see no opinion, no bias and certainly no wrong information. The importance of every article is equal, please do not be so biased. Your power only gain respect if used properly.
Thank you.
PS. If there is a problem with detail, there have already been attempts to make new pages without putting on this school's page. If that doesn't seem like enough to you, then I think you should go make your own "monopedia" == Anonymous_One
Guess what? It just so happens this information do help people. Lots of students and parents use this to gain some knowledge on the school beforehand. This also helped many students who wished to enroll in the I.B program but didn't know the requirements and so on. The Victoria Park C.I page is useful to many people, maybe you do not find it useful, but others do. I can't control you and tell you what is right and what is wrong, and neither can you tell others. --
大虾
00:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re:Anonymous_One
I was not the one who 'judged' the importance of the Jack Gelbloom article as you have pointed out. That was done by the other regulars of wikipedia. Beyond the protection of this article, your stubs are the objects of scrutiny by others.
Uncompetence
00:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: Uncompetence'
Mine? ...
"Mr Gelbloom's page was deleted as it was filed under criteria for speedy deletion. It did not assert enough importance to exist as a page and was deleted.
Anonymous_One
15:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)"
who else could've done that?
Re: Anonymous_One
I was making a statement. It happened. It doesn't mean I was the one who triggered it. When all new wikipedia articles are made by newer users, they are put on a list that is screened by regular users. One of them most likely flagged it.
Uncompetence
01:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
is there no page for mr gelbloom yet? and who else is doing the paragraphs of the staff?
Mr Gelbloom's page was deleted as it was filed under criteria for speedy deletion. It did not assert enough importance to exist as a page and was deleted. Uncompetence 15:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I address this section primarily to the other experienced Wikipedia editors.
In our zeal—and I say "our" because I'm as guilty as everybody else—we've invoked guidelines on Notability and Reliable sources and maybe even Original research, but we've forgotten something else out of the guidelines: Please do not bite the newcomers.
They've got a school assignment to edit this article. It's due tomorrow. We can't change the instructor's assignment now.
Our objective is to build the best encyclopedia possible. It's not going to happen by midnight tomorrow, though. So let's think about everything after that point. We're going to be around to edit the article, align it with the content at other schools', bring it up to WikiProject standards, adjudge notability, move it to a better title, etc.
If we completely alienate the newcomers from VPCI, though, they won't be here after Friday—or worse, they'll hang around just long enough to cause trouble and then leave.
I say let the edits stand for a day. If we can keep even one student new editor—because that's what anybody who's registered while working on this project is, a new editor, no different than any of us used to be—if we can keep them interested in the project and willing to learn more about it, so they grow into a better editor, then that's enough upside for me to say it's worth it. —
C.Fred (
talk)
00:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
'Re: C.Fred Thank you so much, finally, a person on the other side with a formal apology. I just wish Uncompetence up there is less ignorant too. Also, this is not merely a school project. I say this because I am rather frightened at what your "edit" is going to do. Why should this article be considered "just a school project" that has to have a header and when it will end while other ones are considered encyclopedic entries? What are you going to do once this "period" is over? Though your understand is much appreciated, I would like to state that this is a formal entry to the vast information that Wikipedia offers! I am sure that the article will not be perfect, but many aren't. If only the structure and layout of the page is edited, we [I say we, because we are a whole] will be content.
Please, we would like to turn a new page, and please treat these young editors like you don't know that they are grade 9 students doing a project, but honest, creative young minds who want to promote their school and inform the world about what a great place it is through facts. You won't be dissappointed C.Fred == Anonymous_One
Re: C.Fred
The proposition is fair enough. Summarizing, we're letting bend the guidelines until June 2nd? On another important strand, how will the protection of stubs deriving from this project be handled?
Uncompetence
00:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: C.Fred
Anyways, there is no instructor, and you won't expect to find any email of anybody. Please post here or send me an email, I will forward accordingly.
mail to : uselessandanonymous@gmail.com
Thank you. == Anonymous_One
Thanks alot guys. This really means a lot on our behalves. -- GenerationHope 01:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody specify what the SPC cards are that DECA distributed? SPC is a disambiguation page, and it isn't clear which of those things the cards are. I have a hunch it's none of the above, so SPC may need spelled out. — C.Fred ( talk) 01:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
argh, sorry, i went to the Student Price Card page before putting the link and it redirected me from SPC...I'll fix that right now. -- GenerationHope 01:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed it, but i can't put it in plural, because then the link wouldn't work. Any ideas? -- GenerationHope 01:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
[[Student Price Card]]s.
becomes
Student Price Cards. —
C.Fred (
talk)
01:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)thanks alot -- GenerationHope 01:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've removed some of the text that is not appropriate for Wikipedia; for example, the sports section does not have to log the yearly results of all the teams, just times they won the championship. The names of the student council likewise do not belong. The entire paragraph about the goals and achievements of the students is not necessary. Keep in mind that the article is meant to describe the notable aspects of the school; it's not blog where anything goes. Apparently the article was started as a student project, and it shows. Please see Balboa High School (San Francisco), which was a featured article, for an idea of what a good article about a school should look like. ... discospinster talk 23:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
We realise the non-wiki-friendly format of the page, however, as discussed with C.Fred, the article will be let 'loose' of the rigorous regulations of wikipedia in order for a school project to be accomplished. Thank you for your concern, Uncompetence 03:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Considering that the project end date has finally been crossed, its safe to say that this article requires a good deal of wikifying. It would help organize a great deal if all preceding discussion as well as change notifications were to be placed under this subtitle.
List of First Sweeping Changes
International Baccalaureate Program at Victoria Park AND
The History of International Baccalaureate At Victoria Park AND
Application to IB at Victoria Park
(Removed non-specific informations)
Lists of Changes that Should be Made
(?) Unclear Changes
For reference, I've archived a page of everything before the above changes
here
Uncompetence
03:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
List of Second Sweeping Changes
Uncompetence 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
List of Third Phase Changes
Is there anybody who objects to moving the article back to Victoria Park Collegiate Institute? It's consistent with the styling of article names for other secondary schools. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Notable alumni section incorrect 76.68.44.196 ( talk) 05:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Miesianiacal: You have added Royal eponyms in Canada to this article, yet royalty is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Which royal is this school named for, and could you please provide a source to support this? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Victoria Park Collegiate Institute article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
In the Academical Achievement and International Baccalaureate Program, some of the information is out of date. The data in Academic Achievements are from 2010/2011, which are too long to be reliable. Also, data from International Baccalaureate program is located at2013, which is also too long to be consider reliable and referencable content. I wish someone who have the information to update the content.
I really don't think half of this article should be on here. Maybe a mention of the school newspaper, but everyone who works on it? I don't think it should be there. Thoughts? Iansmcl 01:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Besides the fact that schools get to be on Wikipedia, half this article IS pretty much unimportant... Library? Accelerated Reader? Seems like spam edits or a little too much self-importance to me. Uncompetence 14:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't move Victoria Park Collegiate Institute to another Wikipedia Title. IB World School is an attribute of Victoria Park, not its sole purpose. Uncompetence 21:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
For our grade 9 english assgnment, we were supposed to create this as a class. I'm sorry if it is very long or very tedious and useless to read, but we will be printing and handing it in on Friday, so could you stop deleting the paragraphs that our class has wrote. mongoose 8 21:28, 30 May 2007
Re: Mongoose 8 This is Wikipedia, an online resource provided to everyone, not simply a grade 9 class who wishes to commandeer the page for their personal work. Uncompetence 01:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: Imcompetence This article isn't locked so only we can edit it. You can change all you want, but just don't go around deleting people's work with disrespect. Just wait until Friday. mongoose 8 21:41, 30 May 2007
The Victoria Park C.I. school page is a work in progress by multiple users who are currently researching the information in person and through school records that are not available to others. This is not by any means "personal work" as it is meant to be beneficial for the entire online community. ChokingOnALifesaver 22:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Re::::, Mongoose8, I would like to say please stop talking so immaturely, even though I am on your side.
to these admins; I don't understand why this article is under question. It definately seems to have a lot of information and who are you to judge whether something is 'right' or 'wrong'?
What is wrong with having some extra information, while relating still to the school's structure? and just so you know incompetence, which definately decribes you clearly, the accelerated reader and library are indeed facilities in the school. I'm sorry that your school did not offer a library.
mongoose8, you should stay on a professional level. i believe that it is okay for the admins to delete parts and pieces of the articles they find unappropriate in wikipedia, and should not wait to a day when a class is finished, but it is NOT okay that they delete these without legit reasoning and understanding, that is unacceptable.
and lastly, who are you to judge whether someone is of enough importance or not? rephrasing what you said, this IS an encyclopedia, and a "wiki" one too. Being an admin, i suppose you'd know that. I guess i was mistaken.
I demand this "neutrality" tag be removed, as most of the information there is not only accurate, but painstaking written, as you can tell from mongoose8's post. Sure there are a few extra details here and there, but I see no opinion, no bias and certainly no wrong information. The importance of every article is equal, please do not be so biased. Your power only gain respect if used properly.
Thank you.
PS. If there is a problem with detail, there have already been attempts to make new pages without putting on this school's page. If that doesn't seem like enough to you, then I think you should go make your own "monopedia" == Anonymous_One
Guess what? It just so happens this information do help people. Lots of students and parents use this to gain some knowledge on the school beforehand. This also helped many students who wished to enroll in the I.B program but didn't know the requirements and so on. The Victoria Park C.I page is useful to many people, maybe you do not find it useful, but others do. I can't control you and tell you what is right and what is wrong, and neither can you tell others. --
大虾
00:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re:Anonymous_One
I was not the one who 'judged' the importance of the Jack Gelbloom article as you have pointed out. That was done by the other regulars of wikipedia. Beyond the protection of this article, your stubs are the objects of scrutiny by others.
Uncompetence
00:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: Uncompetence'
Mine? ...
"Mr Gelbloom's page was deleted as it was filed under criteria for speedy deletion. It did not assert enough importance to exist as a page and was deleted.
Anonymous_One
15:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)"
who else could've done that?
Re: Anonymous_One
I was making a statement. It happened. It doesn't mean I was the one who triggered it. When all new wikipedia articles are made by newer users, they are put on a list that is screened by regular users. One of them most likely flagged it.
Uncompetence
01:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
is there no page for mr gelbloom yet? and who else is doing the paragraphs of the staff?
Mr Gelbloom's page was deleted as it was filed under criteria for speedy deletion. It did not assert enough importance to exist as a page and was deleted. Uncompetence 15:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I address this section primarily to the other experienced Wikipedia editors.
In our zeal—and I say "our" because I'm as guilty as everybody else—we've invoked guidelines on Notability and Reliable sources and maybe even Original research, but we've forgotten something else out of the guidelines: Please do not bite the newcomers.
They've got a school assignment to edit this article. It's due tomorrow. We can't change the instructor's assignment now.
Our objective is to build the best encyclopedia possible. It's not going to happen by midnight tomorrow, though. So let's think about everything after that point. We're going to be around to edit the article, align it with the content at other schools', bring it up to WikiProject standards, adjudge notability, move it to a better title, etc.
If we completely alienate the newcomers from VPCI, though, they won't be here after Friday—or worse, they'll hang around just long enough to cause trouble and then leave.
I say let the edits stand for a day. If we can keep even one student new editor—because that's what anybody who's registered while working on this project is, a new editor, no different than any of us used to be—if we can keep them interested in the project and willing to learn more about it, so they grow into a better editor, then that's enough upside for me to say it's worth it. —
C.Fred (
talk)
00:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
'Re: C.Fred Thank you so much, finally, a person on the other side with a formal apology. I just wish Uncompetence up there is less ignorant too. Also, this is not merely a school project. I say this because I am rather frightened at what your "edit" is going to do. Why should this article be considered "just a school project" that has to have a header and when it will end while other ones are considered encyclopedic entries? What are you going to do once this "period" is over? Though your understand is much appreciated, I would like to state that this is a formal entry to the vast information that Wikipedia offers! I am sure that the article will not be perfect, but many aren't. If only the structure and layout of the page is edited, we [I say we, because we are a whole] will be content.
Please, we would like to turn a new page, and please treat these young editors like you don't know that they are grade 9 students doing a project, but honest, creative young minds who want to promote their school and inform the world about what a great place it is through facts. You won't be dissappointed C.Fred == Anonymous_One
Re: C.Fred
The proposition is fair enough. Summarizing, we're letting bend the guidelines until June 2nd? On another important strand, how will the protection of stubs deriving from this project be handled?
Uncompetence
00:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: C.Fred
Anyways, there is no instructor, and you won't expect to find any email of anybody. Please post here or send me an email, I will forward accordingly.
mail to : uselessandanonymous@gmail.com
Thank you. == Anonymous_One
Thanks alot guys. This really means a lot on our behalves. -- GenerationHope 01:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody specify what the SPC cards are that DECA distributed? SPC is a disambiguation page, and it isn't clear which of those things the cards are. I have a hunch it's none of the above, so SPC may need spelled out. — C.Fred ( talk) 01:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
argh, sorry, i went to the Student Price Card page before putting the link and it redirected me from SPC...I'll fix that right now. -- GenerationHope 01:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed it, but i can't put it in plural, because then the link wouldn't work. Any ideas? -- GenerationHope 01:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
[[Student Price Card]]s.
becomes
Student Price Cards. —
C.Fred (
talk)
01:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)thanks alot -- GenerationHope 01:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've removed some of the text that is not appropriate for Wikipedia; for example, the sports section does not have to log the yearly results of all the teams, just times they won the championship. The names of the student council likewise do not belong. The entire paragraph about the goals and achievements of the students is not necessary. Keep in mind that the article is meant to describe the notable aspects of the school; it's not blog where anything goes. Apparently the article was started as a student project, and it shows. Please see Balboa High School (San Francisco), which was a featured article, for an idea of what a good article about a school should look like. ... discospinster talk 23:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
We realise the non-wiki-friendly format of the page, however, as discussed with C.Fred, the article will be let 'loose' of the rigorous regulations of wikipedia in order for a school project to be accomplished. Thank you for your concern, Uncompetence 03:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Considering that the project end date has finally been crossed, its safe to say that this article requires a good deal of wikifying. It would help organize a great deal if all preceding discussion as well as change notifications were to be placed under this subtitle.
List of First Sweeping Changes
International Baccalaureate Program at Victoria Park AND
The History of International Baccalaureate At Victoria Park AND
Application to IB at Victoria Park
(Removed non-specific informations)
Lists of Changes that Should be Made
(?) Unclear Changes
For reference, I've archived a page of everything before the above changes
here
Uncompetence
03:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
List of Second Sweeping Changes
Uncompetence 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
List of Third Phase Changes
Is there anybody who objects to moving the article back to Victoria Park Collegiate Institute? It's consistent with the styling of article names for other secondary schools. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Notable alumni section incorrect 76.68.44.196 ( talk) 05:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Miesianiacal: You have added Royal eponyms in Canada to this article, yet royalty is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Which royal is this school named for, and could you please provide a source to support this? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
References