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Apparently, before listing this at WP:DRN, I must first have a discussion on the talk page. I'm loth to talk about this more than necessary, since the issue is so sterile, but let's do so.
First, Fsol, do you seriously not understand that there is an accepted way to cite sources on Wikipedia, or are you just pretending not to notice? If you're not into reading style guidelines, have you at least never looked at a featured article, a good article or, heck, this very article, and documented yourself as to how such things are done? Did my thrice-repeated comments on "blind links" just fall on deaf ears? Your imperviousness to rectitude on this issue is staggering.
Second, to the main point. " Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources." Now, it's true that primary sources—in this case, two PDFs purporting to demonstrate Ponta's plagiarism—are not strictly forbidden. But there is, at the same time, no possible reason to include them when what we have to say about the matter is already said through secondary sources. In this case, we do just that, through Adevărul, Gândul, România Liberă, and so forth. So what exactly is your case for including them, pray tell? - Biruitorul Talk 14:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Linking to copyright material in this way appears to violate WP:COPYVIO. Dougweller ( talk) 16:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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Between 1997 and 2001 he was undercover agent of the Foreign Intelligence Service (SIE), which is a serious violation of the Constitution which provides that a prosecutor may not have any other function. Ascodaniel ( talk) 06:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused. It seems as if his family is relatively recent to Romania. Is he seen as fully ethnically Romanian? I ask, because the category tags mention nothing of his Albanian and/or Italian ancestry, which I think would be something worthy of note in the tags, if even already mentioned in the main body of the page. I also find it curious, then, that critics of his opponent in the recent presidential election would make note of his ancestry seeing as how it seems Ponta's family are more recent arrivals to the country. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 10:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
As this is the first time in Romania that state prosecutors seek criminal charges against an incumbent prime minister < http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/roumanie-le-chef-de-l-etat-demande-la-demission-du-premier-ministre-soupconne-de-corruption-05-06-2015-1933921_24.php>, the case deserves better documentation and a separate (sub)heading. The issue is also, in my view, relevant enough to merit a brief reference at the top of the article.
Please also note that (at least) two senior editors here (Biruitorul & Dan Mihai Petea) come across as heavy-handed when dealing with other users' contributions. While their interventions are usually well-informed and well-intentioned, and while I do not suspect them of being in breach of neutrality, their dismissive attitude is not particularly encouraging to junior contributors such as myself. Sb2s3 ( talk) 13:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
LATER EDIT: I just noticed that one of the above named gentlemen (Biruitorul) removed, yet again, one of my contributions, calling it a "tidbit" [of] information, and suggesting lack of national press coverage. This comes across as not only gratuitous (even if it were a 'minor' detail, which it is not, it would still merit inclusion), but also wrong in itself. The information has been expressly cited by the reputable 'ziare.com' source, here: http://www.ziare.com/victor-ponta/dna/scandalul-premierului-roman-urmarit-penal-in-presa-internationala-romania-a-intrat-in-criza-1366990.
In any case, as I feel I am wasting my time here, I will try not to advance any further arguments or contributions on this topic. Sb2s3 ( talk) 13:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi
I need to add an update for Ponta's recent accusations of committing fraud.
Thank you
Aflabetagamateta (
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12:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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Apparently, before listing this at WP:DRN, I must first have a discussion on the talk page. I'm loth to talk about this more than necessary, since the issue is so sterile, but let's do so.
First, Fsol, do you seriously not understand that there is an accepted way to cite sources on Wikipedia, or are you just pretending not to notice? If you're not into reading style guidelines, have you at least never looked at a featured article, a good article or, heck, this very article, and documented yourself as to how such things are done? Did my thrice-repeated comments on "blind links" just fall on deaf ears? Your imperviousness to rectitude on this issue is staggering.
Second, to the main point. " Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources." Now, it's true that primary sources—in this case, two PDFs purporting to demonstrate Ponta's plagiarism—are not strictly forbidden. But there is, at the same time, no possible reason to include them when what we have to say about the matter is already said through secondary sources. In this case, we do just that, through Adevărul, Gândul, România Liberă, and so forth. So what exactly is your case for including them, pray tell? - Biruitorul Talk 14:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Linking to copyright material in this way appears to violate WP:COPYVIO. Dougweller ( talk) 16:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Between 1997 and 2001 he was undercover agent of the Foreign Intelligence Service (SIE), which is a serious violation of the Constitution which provides that a prosecutor may not have any other function. Ascodaniel ( talk) 06:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused. It seems as if his family is relatively recent to Romania. Is he seen as fully ethnically Romanian? I ask, because the category tags mention nothing of his Albanian and/or Italian ancestry, which I think would be something worthy of note in the tags, if even already mentioned in the main body of the page. I also find it curious, then, that critics of his opponent in the recent presidential election would make note of his ancestry seeing as how it seems Ponta's family are more recent arrivals to the country. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 10:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
As this is the first time in Romania that state prosecutors seek criminal charges against an incumbent prime minister < http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/roumanie-le-chef-de-l-etat-demande-la-demission-du-premier-ministre-soupconne-de-corruption-05-06-2015-1933921_24.php>, the case deserves better documentation and a separate (sub)heading. The issue is also, in my view, relevant enough to merit a brief reference at the top of the article.
Please also note that (at least) two senior editors here (Biruitorul & Dan Mihai Petea) come across as heavy-handed when dealing with other users' contributions. While their interventions are usually well-informed and well-intentioned, and while I do not suspect them of being in breach of neutrality, their dismissive attitude is not particularly encouraging to junior contributors such as myself. Sb2s3 ( talk) 13:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
LATER EDIT: I just noticed that one of the above named gentlemen (Biruitorul) removed, yet again, one of my contributions, calling it a "tidbit" [of] information, and suggesting lack of national press coverage. This comes across as not only gratuitous (even if it were a 'minor' detail, which it is not, it would still merit inclusion), but also wrong in itself. The information has been expressly cited by the reputable 'ziare.com' source, here: http://www.ziare.com/victor-ponta/dna/scandalul-premierului-roman-urmarit-penal-in-presa-internationala-romania-a-intrat-in-criza-1366990.
In any case, as I feel I am wasting my time here, I will try not to advance any further arguments or contributions on this topic. Sb2s3 ( talk) 13:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hi
I need to add an update for Ponta's recent accusations of committing fraud.
Thank you
Aflabetagamateta (
talk)
12:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)