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Are we certain that only Sommers has spoken of this topic? Is it appropriate to redirect the term only to discussion of her instead of a broader subject-based article? 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 23:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
This article is one sentence which carries no real substantive meaning. It's just confusing and provides no information, proper definition or contextualisation for the reader. MikeJamesShaw ( talk) 00:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Is this article about a term or about a type of feminism? If it's about a term, all the content about a type of feminism should be removed. If it's about a type of feminism, it needs to be rewritten (and retitled) to use neutral language rather than the pejorative term "victim feminism", especially when it is used without quotation marks. For example, "...this trend of 1990s agitation against victim feminism..." is not neutrally worded. The people that writers like Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers are referring to as "victim feminists" would adamantly object to that term. Kaldari ( talk) 04:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This statement is not supported by the cited source: "Besides Wolf and Roiphe, other feminist authors to have used the term in their books to promote a brand of agency-affirming feminism include Camille Paglia, Christina Hoff Sommers, Natasha Walter, and Rene Denfeld." The source just says that all of these writers wrote critiques of 'victim feminism'. It doesn't say that any of them actually used the term in their writing, and as it is a pejorative term, it's entirely possible they did not actually use that term. I really wouldn't be surprised if they did (especially Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers), but the source doesn't support that statement. Kaldari ( talk) 04:11, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
She self identifies as a feminist. Most of her academic work is on feminism. Who made you the judge?
Discussed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victim feminism where PeterTheFourth started discussion. Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
After poking around, I tend to conclude that the article title does not adequately reflect the content. The subject is both sides of the dichotomy, and the title must represent this. Since there is no exact term,I would suggest descriptive title, something like "Victimization vs. enablement" dichotomy in feminist theory. Any better ideas? Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2019 and 20 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Roshelle.Firdman05.
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Are we certain that only Sommers has spoken of this topic? Is it appropriate to redirect the term only to discussion of her instead of a broader subject-based article? 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 23:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
This article is one sentence which carries no real substantive meaning. It's just confusing and provides no information, proper definition or contextualisation for the reader. MikeJamesShaw ( talk) 00:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Is this article about a term or about a type of feminism? If it's about a term, all the content about a type of feminism should be removed. If it's about a type of feminism, it needs to be rewritten (and retitled) to use neutral language rather than the pejorative term "victim feminism", especially when it is used without quotation marks. For example, "...this trend of 1990s agitation against victim feminism..." is not neutrally worded. The people that writers like Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers are referring to as "victim feminists" would adamantly object to that term. Kaldari ( talk) 04:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This statement is not supported by the cited source: "Besides Wolf and Roiphe, other feminist authors to have used the term in their books to promote a brand of agency-affirming feminism include Camille Paglia, Christina Hoff Sommers, Natasha Walter, and Rene Denfeld." The source just says that all of these writers wrote critiques of 'victim feminism'. It doesn't say that any of them actually used the term in their writing, and as it is a pejorative term, it's entirely possible they did not actually use that term. I really wouldn't be surprised if they did (especially Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers), but the source doesn't support that statement. Kaldari ( talk) 04:11, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
She self identifies as a feminist. Most of her academic work is on feminism. Who made you the judge?
Discussed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victim feminism where PeterTheFourth started discussion. Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
After poking around, I tend to conclude that the article title does not adequately reflect the content. The subject is both sides of the dichotomy, and the title must represent this. Since there is no exact term,I would suggest descriptive title, something like "Victimization vs. enablement" dichotomy in feminist theory. Any better ideas? Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2019 and 20 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Roshelle.Firdman05.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): JaxWiki542 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Kso253 ( talk) 20:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)