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The result of the proposal was No consensus to move page, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
tentative oppose Can't find to much documentation to verify that Fernández is more used in English. NYT, Globe and Mail, CNN/SI all use Fernandez, for example. Google hit count (crude but useful to build cumulative cases) runs
Based on these usage statistics, I conclude that the English spelling is Fernandez, and based on WP:ENGLISH, I would support the current title. Erudy ( talk) 20:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Gene's comments (below) showed me that my previous post was not very clear. The statistical analysis is not on the general usage of the common surname Fernandez/Fernández, but rather on the specific usage of "Vicente Fernandez"/"Vicente Fernández" to describe the golfer in English. I apologize for any confusion. Erudy ( talk) 07:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Oppose per Erudy, and since no evidence of any reason for change has been presented.
Gene Nygaard (
talk) 23:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Actually, I oppose not because of Erudy's comments about some general Fernandez/Fernández statistics, but rather as it should be, for the usage in English related to this particular person, including the references cited in the article.
Gene Nygaard (
talk) 00:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. We've established that accent-capable English sources do use this spelling, and the consensus is to follow that. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Vicente Fernandez (golfer) →
Vicente Fernández (golfer) – Spellings with diacritics are standard across this type of article. I couldn't move it myself because the redirect has history, which blocks the move.
pʰeːnuːmuː →
pʰiːnyːmyː →
ɸinimi →
fiɲimi 01:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I've looked through the article's history. It was created with no diacritics at all in March 2006 by Osomec, who retired in 2007. In July 2006 Marianocecowski added the diacritics to the article body, leaving the title unchanged, but created Vicente Fernández (golfer) as a redirect; a typo on the redirect was corrected minutes later. When a redirect has history other than its creation, it blocks an article from being moved over the redirect. This is probably why the article was never moved; it is the only golfer article I know of that does not include the appropriate diacritics. Due to the previous discussion and lack of consensus, my speedy deletion request of the redirect (to enable the move) was declined. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 00:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was No consensus to move page, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
tentative oppose Can't find to much documentation to verify that Fernández is more used in English. NYT, Globe and Mail, CNN/SI all use Fernandez, for example. Google hit count (crude but useful to build cumulative cases) runs
Based on these usage statistics, I conclude that the English spelling is Fernandez, and based on WP:ENGLISH, I would support the current title. Erudy ( talk) 20:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Gene's comments (below) showed me that my previous post was not very clear. The statistical analysis is not on the general usage of the common surname Fernandez/Fernández, but rather on the specific usage of "Vicente Fernandez"/"Vicente Fernández" to describe the golfer in English. I apologize for any confusion. Erudy ( talk) 07:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Oppose per Erudy, and since no evidence of any reason for change has been presented.
Gene Nygaard (
talk) 23:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Actually, I oppose not because of Erudy's comments about some general Fernandez/Fernández statistics, but rather as it should be, for the usage in English related to this particular person, including the references cited in the article.
Gene Nygaard (
talk) 00:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. We've established that accent-capable English sources do use this spelling, and the consensus is to follow that. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Vicente Fernandez (golfer) →
Vicente Fernández (golfer) – Spellings with diacritics are standard across this type of article. I couldn't move it myself because the redirect has history, which blocks the move.
pʰeːnuːmuː →
pʰiːnyːmyː →
ɸinimi →
fiɲimi 01:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I've looked through the article's history. It was created with no diacritics at all in March 2006 by Osomec, who retired in 2007. In July 2006 Marianocecowski added the diacritics to the article body, leaving the title unchanged, but created Vicente Fernández (golfer) as a redirect; a typo on the redirect was corrected minutes later. When a redirect has history other than its creation, it blocks an article from being moved over the redirect. This is probably why the article was never moved; it is the only golfer article I know of that does not include the appropriate diacritics. Due to the previous discussion and lack of consensus, my speedy deletion request of the redirect (to enable the move) was declined. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 00:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)