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Since this is a group of bats, not a single species, shouldn't it be renamed "Vesper bats" (lowercase "bats")? Ditto for all other "Xxxx bat" which are multi-specific. Jorge Stolfi 02:54, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The genus Philetor links to an article of a different name, and of totally different meaning. There is no offer for redirection. 71.226.90.37 00:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)william —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.226.90.37 ( talk) 00:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Miniopterus is no longer believed to be a part of this familiy. The subfamily Miniopterinae has been raised to familial status, Miniopteridae (Hutcheon & Kirsch, 2004; Van Den Bussche & Hoofer, 2004; Miller-Butterworth et al., 2007). One of the studies also places it as sister taxon to Vepertilionidae (Miller-Butterworth et al., 2007)
So this page and the Miniopterine pages should probably be edited to reflect this
Hutcheon, J. & Kirsch, J. (2004) Camping in a Different Tree: Results of Molecular Systematic Studies of Bats Using DNA-DNA Hybridization. Journal of Mammalian Evolution, 11, 17-47. Van Den Bussche, R. & Hoofer, S. (2004) Phylogenetic Relationships Among Recent Chiropteran Families and the Importance of Choosing Appropriate Out-Group Taxa. Journal of Mammalogy, 85, 321-330. Miller-Butterworth, C., Murphy, W., O'Brien, S., Jacobs, D., Springer, M., & Teeling, E. (2007) A Family Matter: Conclusive Resolution of the Taxonomic Position of the Long-fingered Bats, Miniopterus. Molecular Biology and Evolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.67.245 ( talk) 23:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
According to this: [1] a genus of bat known as the Aaabat falls under this family. There is no species listed and according to the map ( [2]), there is only one location where 3 speciments have been collected in 1925.[http://data.gbif.org/occurrences/searchWithTable.htm?c[0].s=20&c[0].p=0&c[0].o=16085421&c[1].s=19&c[1].p=0&c[1].o=105.0W,27.0N,85.0W,37.0N]. I was unable to find anything else with Google. I was hence thinking of putting this in this article and just redirecting the genus but I was unsure as to how to incorporate it (Under what subfamily it falls under I have no idea??!). Any suggestions/thoughts appreciated. Calaka ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 09:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Vesper bat → Vespertilionidae – The most common, accessible, verifiable and neutral name for the family Vespertilionidae is Vespertilionidae. Four names, terms or descriptions are used in English sources to loosely refer to vespertilionids, vespertilionids, evening bats and vesper bats, the fourth is the reference to Grays description of an arrangement as family Vespertilionidae, and this name is what the article is about and this name is what authorities use to this day. cygnis insignis 07:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, now I'm getting confused. Apart from misspeaking in the edit summary (meant to say "is NOT in Myotinae"), I'm no longer sure that's the case. These seem to have been shuffled around at least twice in recent years, and I may not be finding the current consensus state. Let me check. Cygnis insignis, what most recent source are you using? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
So: ITIS has a family Cistugidae (based on Lack et al. 2010) - but no Myotinae at all, helpfully. In the literature after 2010 we have a mix of use of Myotinae (e.g. 2013 [3]) and Cistugidae (e.g. [4]). Hmm. Seems the reclassification is slow to catch on. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
ITIS recognises Myotinae Tate, 1942 as a child of Vespertilionidae, same as MSW, the taxon Cistugidae is cited as a family, as you say, and placed with this one within Superfamily Vespertilionoidea. What an odd thing, separated to its own family Bats are very poorly researched, yet so important, chiroptera hampered with some upside down ideas for a long time (pun not intended). cygnis insignis 16:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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So i'm confused. If cygnis insignis accepts the Cistugo change, why is he reverting to a page that has dots that don't include anything? The remainder of my edits simply removed the dots, so the page looks cleaner..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 03:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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Since this is a group of bats, not a single species, shouldn't it be renamed "Vesper bats" (lowercase "bats")? Ditto for all other "Xxxx bat" which are multi-specific. Jorge Stolfi 02:54, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The genus Philetor links to an article of a different name, and of totally different meaning. There is no offer for redirection. 71.226.90.37 00:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)william —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.226.90.37 ( talk) 00:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Miniopterus is no longer believed to be a part of this familiy. The subfamily Miniopterinae has been raised to familial status, Miniopteridae (Hutcheon & Kirsch, 2004; Van Den Bussche & Hoofer, 2004; Miller-Butterworth et al., 2007). One of the studies also places it as sister taxon to Vepertilionidae (Miller-Butterworth et al., 2007)
So this page and the Miniopterine pages should probably be edited to reflect this
Hutcheon, J. & Kirsch, J. (2004) Camping in a Different Tree: Results of Molecular Systematic Studies of Bats Using DNA-DNA Hybridization. Journal of Mammalian Evolution, 11, 17-47. Van Den Bussche, R. & Hoofer, S. (2004) Phylogenetic Relationships Among Recent Chiropteran Families and the Importance of Choosing Appropriate Out-Group Taxa. Journal of Mammalogy, 85, 321-330. Miller-Butterworth, C., Murphy, W., O'Brien, S., Jacobs, D., Springer, M., & Teeling, E. (2007) A Family Matter: Conclusive Resolution of the Taxonomic Position of the Long-fingered Bats, Miniopterus. Molecular Biology and Evolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.67.245 ( talk) 23:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
According to this: [1] a genus of bat known as the Aaabat falls under this family. There is no species listed and according to the map ( [2]), there is only one location where 3 speciments have been collected in 1925.[http://data.gbif.org/occurrences/searchWithTable.htm?c[0].s=20&c[0].p=0&c[0].o=16085421&c[1].s=19&c[1].p=0&c[1].o=105.0W,27.0N,85.0W,37.0N]. I was unable to find anything else with Google. I was hence thinking of putting this in this article and just redirecting the genus but I was unsure as to how to incorporate it (Under what subfamily it falls under I have no idea??!). Any suggestions/thoughts appreciated. Calaka ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 09:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Vesper bat → Vespertilionidae – The most common, accessible, verifiable and neutral name for the family Vespertilionidae is Vespertilionidae. Four names, terms or descriptions are used in English sources to loosely refer to vespertilionids, vespertilionids, evening bats and vesper bats, the fourth is the reference to Grays description of an arrangement as family Vespertilionidae, and this name is what the article is about and this name is what authorities use to this day. cygnis insignis 07:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, now I'm getting confused. Apart from misspeaking in the edit summary (meant to say "is NOT in Myotinae"), I'm no longer sure that's the case. These seem to have been shuffled around at least twice in recent years, and I may not be finding the current consensus state. Let me check. Cygnis insignis, what most recent source are you using? -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
So: ITIS has a family Cistugidae (based on Lack et al. 2010) - but no Myotinae at all, helpfully. In the literature after 2010 we have a mix of use of Myotinae (e.g. 2013 [3]) and Cistugidae (e.g. [4]). Hmm. Seems the reclassification is slow to catch on. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
ITIS recognises Myotinae Tate, 1942 as a child of Vespertilionidae, same as MSW, the taxon Cistugidae is cited as a family, as you say, and placed with this one within Superfamily Vespertilionoidea. What an odd thing, separated to its own family Bats are very poorly researched, yet so important, chiroptera hampered with some upside down ideas for a long time (pun not intended). cygnis insignis 16:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
References
So i'm confused. If cygnis insignis accepts the Cistugo change, why is he reverting to a page that has dots that don't include anything? The remainder of my edits simply removed the dots, so the page looks cleaner..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 03:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)