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I claim that the author of this article completely fabricated the word "logorrhea" and everything it represents. Please cite some credible references or delete the section entirely.-- JAC4 ( talk) 21:02, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I think a reference to Callimachus' (310/305–240 BC) famous verse "Big book, big evil" (μέγα βιβλίον μέγα κακόν, mega biblion, mega kakon) would be a nice addition to the history section. Mittinatten ( talk) 20:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Elegant variation and Sesquipedalianism should be merged to Verbosity. Elegant variation, a term coined by Henry Fowler to describe the over-use of synonyms, and sesquipedalianism, a word derived from Horace to describe the over-use of long words, are both types of verbosity (use of excessive words). The article Verbosity already contains sections on several sub-types. Each of the articles proposed for merger is relatively small (7k and 1k, respectively), and the former consists largely of examples, which need not be merged if they are not well-sourced. Cnilep ( talk) 02:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
There are authors who write verbose prose, and I'm sure there are people who advocate for it. This article takes a very hard line in favour of succinctness that I'm not entirely sure is (completely) justified: At the least, we should include a bit more balance. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 13:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I know of none, true or fictitious, that is equally wonderful, interesting, and affecting; or that is told in so short and simple a manner as this [the Old Testament], which is, of all histories, the most authentic.
[Sven Birketts argues,] 'There's a danger in being too lean, in losing readers by leaving out clarifying details, or losing the heart of the story by being too terse. There's no vivid world where every character speaks in one-line, three-word sentences.'
A balance must be struck between judgements which are inadequately reasoned and too terse, cryptic and formulaic, and decisions (especially when multiple judgements are given by an appellate court) which are too long and difficult to unravel.
User:Handroid7 added the {{ essay}} tag with the edit summary, "Verbosity is described in a rather negative way here." Since this appears to be more or less the same issue raised by Adam Cuerden in 2014, and addressed with recent edits, I am removing the tag. If any editors think the article still has issues with personal tone or limited point of view, could you please specify what you think the are? Cnilep ( talk) 02:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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As of 30 October 2018, this article haphazardly mixes "logorrhea" and "logorrhoea", and while it isn't one of Wikipedia's five pillars, consistency is part of the Manual of Style (at least for things like dates), so should this be one or the other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nameless6144 ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest merging in Overwriting (prose). That article was created in 2019 by an editor since banned for CIR, but it's covering the exact same thing as this article; it's just split articles by synonym, in my opinion, like if we had separate articles on fate and destiny (we don't; fate is a redirect to destiny). The Overwriting article has also seen very little activity after an AFD ended "no consensus" but left merging a possibility. Even if there's some quibble to differentiate the two criticisms, then they are at the very least deeply related criticisms of writing, and can be discussed together in a single article. Thoughts? Agreements or objections? SnowFire ( talk) 03:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently changed the lead section from "The opposite of verbosity is plain language" to "The opposite of verbosity is succinctness." Plain language is, however, a term of art and is not the same as the general concept of Concision, to which succinctness redirects. This suggests a question: is there an opposite of verbosity? And if this is a controversial question (as the edit would seem to suggest), then should it be addressed on Wikipedia at all? Perhaps the best thing to do is to remove the (unsourced?) assertion. Cnilep ( talk) 03:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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I claim that the author of this article completely fabricated the word "logorrhea" and everything it represents. Please cite some credible references or delete the section entirely.-- JAC4 ( talk) 21:02, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I think a reference to Callimachus' (310/305–240 BC) famous verse "Big book, big evil" (μέγα βιβλίον μέγα κακόν, mega biblion, mega kakon) would be a nice addition to the history section. Mittinatten ( talk) 20:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Elegant variation and Sesquipedalianism should be merged to Verbosity. Elegant variation, a term coined by Henry Fowler to describe the over-use of synonyms, and sesquipedalianism, a word derived from Horace to describe the over-use of long words, are both types of verbosity (use of excessive words). The article Verbosity already contains sections on several sub-types. Each of the articles proposed for merger is relatively small (7k and 1k, respectively), and the former consists largely of examples, which need not be merged if they are not well-sourced. Cnilep ( talk) 02:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
There are authors who write verbose prose, and I'm sure there are people who advocate for it. This article takes a very hard line in favour of succinctness that I'm not entirely sure is (completely) justified: At the least, we should include a bit more balance. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 13:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I know of none, true or fictitious, that is equally wonderful, interesting, and affecting; or that is told in so short and simple a manner as this [the Old Testament], which is, of all histories, the most authentic.
[Sven Birketts argues,] 'There's a danger in being too lean, in losing readers by leaving out clarifying details, or losing the heart of the story by being too terse. There's no vivid world where every character speaks in one-line, three-word sentences.'
A balance must be struck between judgements which are inadequately reasoned and too terse, cryptic and formulaic, and decisions (especially when multiple judgements are given by an appellate court) which are too long and difficult to unravel.
User:Handroid7 added the {{ essay}} tag with the edit summary, "Verbosity is described in a rather negative way here." Since this appears to be more or less the same issue raised by Adam Cuerden in 2014, and addressed with recent edits, I am removing the tag. If any editors think the article still has issues with personal tone or limited point of view, could you please specify what you think the are? Cnilep ( talk) 02:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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As of 30 October 2018, this article haphazardly mixes "logorrhea" and "logorrhoea", and while it isn't one of Wikipedia's five pillars, consistency is part of the Manual of Style (at least for things like dates), so should this be one or the other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nameless6144 ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest merging in Overwriting (prose). That article was created in 2019 by an editor since banned for CIR, but it's covering the exact same thing as this article; it's just split articles by synonym, in my opinion, like if we had separate articles on fate and destiny (we don't; fate is a redirect to destiny). The Overwriting article has also seen very little activity after an AFD ended "no consensus" but left merging a possibility. Even if there's some quibble to differentiate the two criticisms, then they are at the very least deeply related criticisms of writing, and can be discussed together in a single article. Thoughts? Agreements or objections? SnowFire ( talk) 03:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently changed the lead section from "The opposite of verbosity is plain language" to "The opposite of verbosity is succinctness." Plain language is, however, a term of art and is not the same as the general concept of Concision, to which succinctness redirects. This suggests a question: is there an opposite of verbosity? And if this is a controversial question (as the edit would seem to suggest), then should it be addressed on Wikipedia at all? Perhaps the best thing to do is to remove the (unsourced?) assertion. Cnilep ( talk) 03:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Gobshite has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14 § Gobshite until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 22:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)