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Since many people smoke this plant, or make it into tea, etc., perhaps its similarity to foxglove should be noted. Not sure what the consequences of smoking foxglove would be Zer0Cool 12:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.48.227 ( talk)
Are you sure that common names should be in bold with in the body of the text? This plant is a common "weed" naturalized in north America and other parts of the world were it is a pest species in grain and hay fields. You just have to visit a few farms to see that it grows in the fields, were it can interfere with harvesting due to its thick hard stalks. Since its a biennial tilling tends to remove it but in fields that are not tilled heavily it persists to flower. Hardyplants 14:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the Mullien page be merged into Common Mullein. 'Mullien' is just a misspelling of mullein. DavidCooke 04:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Definitely merge the 'Mullien' to Common Mullein. I agree it's an obvious misspelling. As an herbalist whose favorite plant is CM, the Common Mullein article here is excellent. Thank you. Berrymoon 15:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is way over-linked. It makes it difficult to read. Does "decades" really have to have a link? Is every link necessary? KP Botany 18:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Nice article. This sentence in the lead paragraphs is awkward and confusing: "While not an issue for most cultures, it hosts many insects that can be harmful to other plants, such as the tarnished plant bug, and although individuals are easy to destroy by hand, it is difficult to destroy a population permanently." What do you mean by "not an issue for most cultures"? Also, the sentence has too many phrases and would ideally be broken up into two sentences. -- NoahElhardt 15:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming you are working toward FA, so I'll be picky. Some of these I could fix myself, but I'll just explain here so you can make changes as you see fit:
That's all I have time for at the moment, but I hope to finish reading and commenting through. If you'd rather I just make the edits rather than bring them up here, lmk. -- NoahElhardt 16:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please address these issues and I would be happy to examine it again and probably approve it for GA. Choess 23:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems Choess has been absent for the past week or so. I see you still haven't copied over your rewrite. Do you have any idea how much more time you'll need to work on it? I don't want to fail it while you're working to address complaints, especially since your initial reviewer hasn't been around for further feedback, but it's already a week past the time the hold period should have expired.
I don't see any major issues with the rewrite, but:
Very minor, and should require very little time. If you're not finished expanding it, however, and you plan to be a while, it might be better to remove it and renominate it once the work is complete. Shimeru 05:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work. I feel this meets all of the Good Article criteria, and I'm happy to promote it. Congratulations, and thanks for all your hard work. Shimeru 19:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
the words are close, but it appears to be from an anglo-saxion word- molegn I do not have the date of the word but its the root of the common name mullein pronounced woolen as English changed. this by way of my 1940 webster encyclopedic dictionary. there has to be a better source but not in my small collection of books. I will work on clearing more of the red links- have nothing more to add to the article so please do your best to clean up my edits. Hardyplants 16:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I suppose it's not much of an issue since the article has already attained FA status, but I think the Taxonomy section could be made clearer and easier to read by discussing the features of the subspecies directly beneath where they are listed rather than clumping all of the information into one paragraph. I thought of doing this myself, but I thought it best to see if anyone else is opposed to this. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 17:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Some pictures that might be worth putting in a gallery Hardyplants 04:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I reverted MPF's sweeping changes because a large number of issues were created or worsened by them, and the changes are so complex that I can hardly tell which, if any, material was added.
Circeus 16:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It is a British native species – obvious "strong ties" – not a US native species; American usage and spellings are clearly secondary.
I find it very objectionable to be ordered to use an American re-naming of my native species instead of the standard name agreed in its native region, and to have to read about it in American spellings, merely to satisfy American cultural imperialism (why must the natives be forced to use the American name for their own native species?).
The MOS is very clear on choice of spellings; as a British/European species, like a British place or a British author, it should be in British English
This has become a bit absurd MPF. I use British spelling when writing articles about American plants and no American has ever edited my articles based on that fact. The plant occurs in larger numbers in the US due to it being invasive and it is probably better known there than in the UK. At any rate, all of these arguments are unnecessary due to the Manual of Style stating clearly that once an article is written in one form of the English language it is best left that way to avoid daft disputes like this one. The opening paragraph should list both common names so that it can be clear to both Europeans and Americans what it is that is being discussed. Removing the information about its invasiveness in the opener is practically censorship. Put your nationalism aside and consider that information useful to everyone is preferable to information that you approve of. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 20:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I've reworded my comments to both tone them down and make more explicit why I object to MPF's edits. This is not the first time this has come up, and each time we go around it again I snap a little more easily--but especially when he raises, as he has done before, "American cultural imperialism". Does MPF not realize how insulting this is? And does MPF not realize that it works the other way, too? MPF is taking a very narrow, if somewhat vaguely worded, line from the Manual of Style page--"An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation"--and defining it so broadly as to (1) attempt to claim UK "ownership" over articles on any species native there, regardless of where else or how widely they may be native, naturalized, cultivated, generally known, or economically important; (2) extend this "ownership" to any species that are native to Europe as a whole; (2) attempt to enforce usage of a single common name--that used in the UK--for such particular species; (3) actively suppress common names that are used elsewhere. In this particular case, it's debatable whether Verbascum thapsus has "stronger ties" to the UK than to North America, given how widely naturalized and well-known it is on the latter continent. My own policy is that articles should be informative, factual, and reflect reality. In most cases it's most accurate to say "Species X is commonly know as 'A' (primarily in the UK) or as 'B' (primarily in North America)", rather than attempt to enforce one particular name as the one correct name, to be used in all English-speaking countries. MrDarwin 21:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I still feel the structure changes are woefully inappropriate, but I'm willing to compromise. This version has the original structure that was promoted, but uses Great Mullein throughout most of the article (except references and such), and takes into account MPF's changes to the taxobox, as well as putting "agricultural impact" as a first-level header (even though I'm not too happy with leaving "life cycle" as lone subsection of "ecological aspects"). I left it in American English mostly because I would probably miss something if I tried converting the spelling myself. Circeus 22:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's a little better now, but I'd like to see the following of my other various changes restored:
PS to US readers - have an enjoyable 4th July! - MPF 23:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't agree with your opinion that information about an organism in its native habitat is somehow more important than when it's introduced somewhere. Cane toads are associated with Australia (the vast majority don't know they are from South America), Kudzu is associated with the American south (my Japanese friends have usually never heard of it), so that argument is a poor one unless the plant has strong cultural ties. A flowering cherry tree is native and strongly tied to Japan, Edelweiss with Germany, the Scottish thistle with Scotland, etc., but V. thapsus has no strong ties to the UK or any other country for that matter. It's a weedy plant all across its native and introduced range. There is absolutely no reason why we should even be discussing this. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 16:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Circeus 20:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with MPF on the photograph of the herbarium sheet: photographs can be copyrighted, and in this case it appears that it has been. The website that the image was taken from has a clear statement of copyright on the page with the image; moreover see their terms of use where it states clearly and explicitly:
That seems pretty clear to me. Finally, under the image itself is the statement "Image reproduced by kind permission of The Linnean Society of London", suggesting that it came from a third party who probably owns the copyright and was used with permission. In a nutshell, if there is any question of copyright ownership or violation, in lieu of explicit permission an image should not be uploaded to Wikipedia.
I have to question what this image provides to the article in the first place; it's not essential to any information provided, but if it were, it could be listed under "external links". MrDarwin 13:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I made a few v. minor tweaks to the article - v good read, on the whole. There seems to be a tendency to assume that plants and readers (?) are on the N American continent though, from the gerneralised phrasing. I've tried to add country/continent-specific additions for clarification. 86.157.52.185 13:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
There are many, many ways of pronouncing latin and none is actually more correct than the others. I'm Italian and Verbascum thapsus here sounds like /vɛr'baskum 'tapsus/. So, please, avoid adding pronunciation of Latin names unless they have become 'naturalised' in the English language (i.e. they can be found in a common English dictionary, such as chrysanthemum, dahlia). Aelwyn ( talk) 10:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
"For obvious reasons, the plant, unlike other species of the genus, is not often cultivated."
What are the actual reasons?
WriterHound ( talk) 18:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Nice article,good work I wish all the herb entries were this good! I am not a botanist, but how do:- Verbascum macrurum,Verbascum olympicum Boiss,Verbascum densiflorum,Verbascum lasianthum Boiss. ex Bentham,Verbascum cilicicum Boiss., V. lasianthum Boiss. ex Bentham, V pterocalycinum var. mutense Hub.-Mor., and V. salviifolium Boiss, Verbascum pterocalycinum var. mutense Hub.-Mor., Verbascum wiedemannianum, Verbascum mallophorum and Verbascum antiochium Boiss., Fit into the picture here? Michael Bailes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Bailes ( talk • contribs) 03:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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The plant produces a shallow taproot.
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The plant has a deep taproot along with a fiberous root system.
Sounds contradictory. Can someone sort it out?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 01:10, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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This was mentioned at WT:PLANTS as an unreviewed featured article. Short of checking sources it looks pretty good.
What is likely to have changed since the original review is the understanding of taxonomy, but a cursory glance at Google Scholar indicates that while Murbeck's sections and subsections are not natural (and that Celsia is both non-monophyletic and nested within Verbascum there is not a resolved phylogeny.
I think it would be better to refer to Murbeck's original works for his classification (at least 2 of the 4 are available at RBJM via Biodiversity Heritage Library) that to the sccondary sources used. Or perhaps, since there is no consensus on the infrageneric classification of Verbascum, just drop the all or part of the paragraph - discussion of the history of infrageneric classification would fit within the genus article. Lavateraguy ( talk) 11:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Since many people smoke this plant, or make it into tea, etc., perhaps its similarity to foxglove should be noted. Not sure what the consequences of smoking foxglove would be Zer0Cool 12:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.48.227 ( talk)
Are you sure that common names should be in bold with in the body of the text? This plant is a common "weed" naturalized in north America and other parts of the world were it is a pest species in grain and hay fields. You just have to visit a few farms to see that it grows in the fields, were it can interfere with harvesting due to its thick hard stalks. Since its a biennial tilling tends to remove it but in fields that are not tilled heavily it persists to flower. Hardyplants 14:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the Mullien page be merged into Common Mullein. 'Mullien' is just a misspelling of mullein. DavidCooke 04:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Definitely merge the 'Mullien' to Common Mullein. I agree it's an obvious misspelling. As an herbalist whose favorite plant is CM, the Common Mullein article here is excellent. Thank you. Berrymoon 15:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is way over-linked. It makes it difficult to read. Does "decades" really have to have a link? Is every link necessary? KP Botany 18:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Nice article. This sentence in the lead paragraphs is awkward and confusing: "While not an issue for most cultures, it hosts many insects that can be harmful to other plants, such as the tarnished plant bug, and although individuals are easy to destroy by hand, it is difficult to destroy a population permanently." What do you mean by "not an issue for most cultures"? Also, the sentence has too many phrases and would ideally be broken up into two sentences. -- NoahElhardt 15:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming you are working toward FA, so I'll be picky. Some of these I could fix myself, but I'll just explain here so you can make changes as you see fit:
That's all I have time for at the moment, but I hope to finish reading and commenting through. If you'd rather I just make the edits rather than bring them up here, lmk. -- NoahElhardt 16:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please address these issues and I would be happy to examine it again and probably approve it for GA. Choess 23:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems Choess has been absent for the past week or so. I see you still haven't copied over your rewrite. Do you have any idea how much more time you'll need to work on it? I don't want to fail it while you're working to address complaints, especially since your initial reviewer hasn't been around for further feedback, but it's already a week past the time the hold period should have expired.
I don't see any major issues with the rewrite, but:
Very minor, and should require very little time. If you're not finished expanding it, however, and you plan to be a while, it might be better to remove it and renominate it once the work is complete. Shimeru 05:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work. I feel this meets all of the Good Article criteria, and I'm happy to promote it. Congratulations, and thanks for all your hard work. Shimeru 19:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
the words are close, but it appears to be from an anglo-saxion word- molegn I do not have the date of the word but its the root of the common name mullein pronounced woolen as English changed. this by way of my 1940 webster encyclopedic dictionary. there has to be a better source but not in my small collection of books. I will work on clearing more of the red links- have nothing more to add to the article so please do your best to clean up my edits. Hardyplants 16:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I suppose it's not much of an issue since the article has already attained FA status, but I think the Taxonomy section could be made clearer and easier to read by discussing the features of the subspecies directly beneath where they are listed rather than clumping all of the information into one paragraph. I thought of doing this myself, but I thought it best to see if anyone else is opposed to this. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 17:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Some pictures that might be worth putting in a gallery Hardyplants 04:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I reverted MPF's sweeping changes because a large number of issues were created or worsened by them, and the changes are so complex that I can hardly tell which, if any, material was added.
Circeus 16:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It is a British native species – obvious "strong ties" – not a US native species; American usage and spellings are clearly secondary.
I find it very objectionable to be ordered to use an American re-naming of my native species instead of the standard name agreed in its native region, and to have to read about it in American spellings, merely to satisfy American cultural imperialism (why must the natives be forced to use the American name for their own native species?).
The MOS is very clear on choice of spellings; as a British/European species, like a British place or a British author, it should be in British English
This has become a bit absurd MPF. I use British spelling when writing articles about American plants and no American has ever edited my articles based on that fact. The plant occurs in larger numbers in the US due to it being invasive and it is probably better known there than in the UK. At any rate, all of these arguments are unnecessary due to the Manual of Style stating clearly that once an article is written in one form of the English language it is best left that way to avoid daft disputes like this one. The opening paragraph should list both common names so that it can be clear to both Europeans and Americans what it is that is being discussed. Removing the information about its invasiveness in the opener is practically censorship. Put your nationalism aside and consider that information useful to everyone is preferable to information that you approve of. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 20:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I've reworded my comments to both tone them down and make more explicit why I object to MPF's edits. This is not the first time this has come up, and each time we go around it again I snap a little more easily--but especially when he raises, as he has done before, "American cultural imperialism". Does MPF not realize how insulting this is? And does MPF not realize that it works the other way, too? MPF is taking a very narrow, if somewhat vaguely worded, line from the Manual of Style page--"An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation"--and defining it so broadly as to (1) attempt to claim UK "ownership" over articles on any species native there, regardless of where else or how widely they may be native, naturalized, cultivated, generally known, or economically important; (2) extend this "ownership" to any species that are native to Europe as a whole; (2) attempt to enforce usage of a single common name--that used in the UK--for such particular species; (3) actively suppress common names that are used elsewhere. In this particular case, it's debatable whether Verbascum thapsus has "stronger ties" to the UK than to North America, given how widely naturalized and well-known it is on the latter continent. My own policy is that articles should be informative, factual, and reflect reality. In most cases it's most accurate to say "Species X is commonly know as 'A' (primarily in the UK) or as 'B' (primarily in North America)", rather than attempt to enforce one particular name as the one correct name, to be used in all English-speaking countries. MrDarwin 21:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I still feel the structure changes are woefully inappropriate, but I'm willing to compromise. This version has the original structure that was promoted, but uses Great Mullein throughout most of the article (except references and such), and takes into account MPF's changes to the taxobox, as well as putting "agricultural impact" as a first-level header (even though I'm not too happy with leaving "life cycle" as lone subsection of "ecological aspects"). I left it in American English mostly because I would probably miss something if I tried converting the spelling myself. Circeus 22:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's a little better now, but I'd like to see the following of my other various changes restored:
PS to US readers - have an enjoyable 4th July! - MPF 23:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't agree with your opinion that information about an organism in its native habitat is somehow more important than when it's introduced somewhere. Cane toads are associated with Australia (the vast majority don't know they are from South America), Kudzu is associated with the American south (my Japanese friends have usually never heard of it), so that argument is a poor one unless the plant has strong cultural ties. A flowering cherry tree is native and strongly tied to Japan, Edelweiss with Germany, the Scottish thistle with Scotland, etc., but V. thapsus has no strong ties to the UK or any other country for that matter. It's a weedy plant all across its native and introduced range. There is absolutely no reason why we should even be discussing this. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs 16:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Circeus 20:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with MPF on the photograph of the herbarium sheet: photographs can be copyrighted, and in this case it appears that it has been. The website that the image was taken from has a clear statement of copyright on the page with the image; moreover see their terms of use where it states clearly and explicitly:
That seems pretty clear to me. Finally, under the image itself is the statement "Image reproduced by kind permission of The Linnean Society of London", suggesting that it came from a third party who probably owns the copyright and was used with permission. In a nutshell, if there is any question of copyright ownership or violation, in lieu of explicit permission an image should not be uploaded to Wikipedia.
I have to question what this image provides to the article in the first place; it's not essential to any information provided, but if it were, it could be listed under "external links". MrDarwin 13:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I made a few v. minor tweaks to the article - v good read, on the whole. There seems to be a tendency to assume that plants and readers (?) are on the N American continent though, from the gerneralised phrasing. I've tried to add country/continent-specific additions for clarification. 86.157.52.185 13:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
There are many, many ways of pronouncing latin and none is actually more correct than the others. I'm Italian and Verbascum thapsus here sounds like /vɛr'baskum 'tapsus/. So, please, avoid adding pronunciation of Latin names unless they have become 'naturalised' in the English language (i.e. they can be found in a common English dictionary, such as chrysanthemum, dahlia). Aelwyn ( talk) 10:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
"For obvious reasons, the plant, unlike other species of the genus, is not often cultivated."
What are the actual reasons?
WriterHound ( talk) 18:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Nice article,good work I wish all the herb entries were this good! I am not a botanist, but how do:- Verbascum macrurum,Verbascum olympicum Boiss,Verbascum densiflorum,Verbascum lasianthum Boiss. ex Bentham,Verbascum cilicicum Boiss., V. lasianthum Boiss. ex Bentham, V pterocalycinum var. mutense Hub.-Mor., and V. salviifolium Boiss, Verbascum pterocalycinum var. mutense Hub.-Mor., Verbascum wiedemannianum, Verbascum mallophorum and Verbascum antiochium Boiss., Fit into the picture here? Michael Bailes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Bailes ( talk • contribs) 03:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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The article states:
The plant produces a shallow taproot.
which is sourced to this site
While, this site states:
The plant has a deep taproot along with a fiberous root system.
Sounds contradictory. Can someone sort it out?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 01:10, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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This was mentioned at WT:PLANTS as an unreviewed featured article. Short of checking sources it looks pretty good.
What is likely to have changed since the original review is the understanding of taxonomy, but a cursory glance at Google Scholar indicates that while Murbeck's sections and subsections are not natural (and that Celsia is both non-monophyletic and nested within Verbascum there is not a resolved phylogeny.
I think it would be better to refer to Murbeck's original works for his classification (at least 2 of the 4 are available at RBJM via Biodiversity Heritage Library) that to the sccondary sources used. Or perhaps, since there is no consensus on the infrageneric classification of Verbascum, just drop the all or part of the paragraph - discussion of the history of infrageneric classification would fit within the genus article. Lavateraguy ( talk) 11:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)