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It has been scientifically proven that it is found in the Rainforest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Drdla Melvin ( talk • contribs) 10:24, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Q: In the article it says that the seeds "require stratification to germinate". I'm not an experienced grower myself but I have have spoken to some who are and they seem to agree that stratification is not neccesary. Can anyone back this claim? yes those things are very important to the cycle.
Q: The statement in this article "It's very rare that a trap will catch even three insects in its lifetime" refers to one leaf trap, or the entire plant?
- AdunaicLayman
A: Statement applies to a single leaf. The plant's lifelime prey total can be quite large, depending on how many years it lives. Main article has been clarified. - Mr.Logic 15:45, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Q: Statement made that the plant is found in limited range in the Carolinas, but the muskeg of southeastern Alaska contains a lot Venus flytraps. I'm not a botanist, but I've been there and looked. And have pictures. 98.245.24.250 ( talk) 17:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)Ruas
While physicians, medical physicists and medical statisticians agree, or science demonstrates, that venus flytrap parts or extracts, among a whole host of other things, are not very effective at impeding or fighting cancers, there ought to be more information (instances of scandals perhaps) about how these parts or extracts are peddled as cures or as "better than" or "on par" with effective or accepted treatments. (I mention "accepted" because even the effectiveness, perhaps benefit, of accepted treatments can be debatable.) -- Lindberg 17:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindberg G Williams Jr ( talk • contribs)
In the opening paragraph, it says:
The plant's name refers to Venus, the Roman goddess of love, after an apparent similiarity between the plant's leaves and the male genitalia, and the plant's behavior, luring the unsuspecting to their deaths.
Should this be changed to say that the leaves are similar to female genitalia? Pkeck 16:36, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/venus-flytrap1.htm for one such mention, search the web for more.
Interesting information which could be incorporated. — Christiaan 21:54, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
== Huh? ==i dont get it what does it eat? The first paragraph says, A common US name for the plant is tipitiwitchet. I have never heard this name used before. Is this a regional thing? If so, what region? Or am I just lacking in knowledge on this issue? -- Adun 04:18, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
I've never heard it. It sounds British to me, although I am not sure. I live in the Midwest, where many strange names come from (like bubbler), and I've never heard it said. So I'm removing it. -- WikiFan04 Talk 20:28, 21 Aug 2005 (CDT)
well its native to North and South Carolina so odds are its a Carolina thing. I can't imagine such a particular common name arising anywhere else (i.e. where its not native) Jasongetsdown 21:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
"Tipitiwitchet" explanation here: [1] or rather here you mean: http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2880.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.252.228 ( talk) 05:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
in the Philippines' famous comic Darna w/c is used by the villain Flaviana turning Venus flytraps into a big monster as her defense.
What does w/c mean? Bill52270 01:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
"Tipitiwitchet" explaination here:
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Someone has edited Venus flytrap, by changing, erasing, and writing about the Man's Happy Place! -- Hurricane Devon ( Talk) 18:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Just another unimpressive vandalism attempt. Properly & quickly reverted. Mr.Logic 18:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I read that scientists put the Venus flytrap in a new family named Dionaeceae. -- Hurricane Devon ( Talk) 13:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
User:Methegreat did an edit claiming "Venus (Aphrodite) has nothing to do with plant life." I beg to differ, as does Britannica. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9075054?tocId=9075054 Venus was originally associated with fields & gardens, only later taking on the additional job description of love. If she isn't associated with plants, the name "Venus' Flytrap" makes no sense at all. - Mr.Logic 20:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I always heard the name had nothing to do with the goddess Venus. Instead, it was called a "Venus fly-trap" because it looked so bizarre it must have come from the planet Venus. I can't remember, though, where I read this. Rt66lt 23:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
There's some information on where the Venus flytrap got it's name from here ... How did the Venus flytrap get it's name Womblina 01:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the article so it flows better and doesn't constantly repeat and contradict itself. I have removed any unsubstantiated claims and added a few journal references. If anyone wants to add anything new, it'd be a lot more useful to expand the habitat section than to add yet another popular culture reference! The old article had more information about manga comics than about botany... polypompholyx 12:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
This is a plea for authors to think twice about adding anything else to the pop-culture section. It's already over-long and rambling: does anyone really want to know that something vaguely resembling a VFT had a bit-part in an episode of an obscure cartoon in 1989? There are much more important and encyclopaedic things that could be added, such as more detail of the plant's ecology and conservation status, etc. I am mightily tempted to leave the reference to Audrey in, and shunt the rest of it off to List of cameo appearances by Venus flytraps in cartoons or similar… polypompholyx 10:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have some images I took of my VFT closing in on a housefly. If these are useful, I would be glad to post them here with appropriate guidance on the formating, etc. You can see the images here: http://photobucket.com/albums/f326/ebeyonder/
I was chatting to a friend who said there is a theory that the Venus Flytrap, being monotypic and thus unrelated to any other plant originated from an extraterrestial source. That the plant was discovered in and around a large meteorite crater. Does this theory exist?→
I have read this exact same thing. Apparantly they grow in only one area naturally (as wiki shows). This is a 100 or so mile region surrounding a meteor crater...creepy eh?!
"The trigger hairs must be touched twice in quick succession (which prevents non-prey stimuli such as raindrops from triggering the trap)..."
Hmm, might all venus flytraps potentially have to pay royalties to Microsoft for using the Double-click technology? *snicker*
Please add a mention of the fact that Dionaea muscipula is fire-tolerant and fire-dependent. It depends on fire to control larger plants that would otherwise outcompete it. Carlaclaws 22:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Very obvious question: Do you have any sources for this claim?
Sorry, thought I posted these:
"The growth form of Dionaea as a rosette with leaves close to the ground makes this plant less competitive against grasses and shrubs. Following fire, Dionaea may be highly abundant for 3–5 years until shrubs and monocotyledonous plants overtop the small rosette plants. Thus this species is restricted to early successional stages after fire (Roberts and Oosting, 1958)"-Quantification of insect nitrogen utilization by the venus fly trap Dionaea muscipula catching prey with highly variable isotope signatures, W. Schulze, E.D. Schulze, I. Schulze, and R. Oren, Journal of Experimental Botany, Vol. 52, No. 358, pp. 1041-1049, May 1, 2001 © 2001 Oxford University Press (available online at [ [3]]
Also:
"The ecosystem that supports Venus flytraps experiences frequent fires that clear out competing plants and volatilize nitrogen in the soil. Hence, Venus flytraps have a corner on the nitrogen market immediately following fire, when they obtain three quarters of their nitrogen supply from insect prey. If fire does not reoccur within 10 years, however, competition with other plants restricts the Venus flytrap’s access to light and insects, and populations begin to decline."-Lissa Leege, Asst. Professor of Biology, Georgia Southern University, Scientific American, December 2002. Carlaclaws 21:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A WEB DIRECTORY
I deleted the link to the "Venus Fly Trap Photo Blog" It's a Live Journal that is rarely updated. The blog is more about the author's personal problems (and consequent apologizing for sporadic/shitty updates) than it is about the plants, the horticulture. Also, "photo blog" is laughable. 99% of the photos in this blog are so tiny, they are utterly useless (I'm talking 100x100 LJ icon size here!).
"Huge, colorful gallery" ????? LMAO , WHERE? There's nothing there, and even if there were, it's nothing that can't be found with a google search.
Did anyone actually READ this blog before submitting it to wikipedia? Outrageous.
I can't imagine how this crappy little LiveJournal made it into the external links for an encyclopedia article (maybe the author being a cute asian girl has something to do with it, eh?) but this is a real joke. I removed the link. I sincerely doubt anyone can provide a good argument as to why this crappy link should be included in the article. Wikipedia is not a web directory, and this Live Journal link CANNOT be taken seriously as a reference or useful external link. It's utterly useless.
I think these traps are sexy because thay trap flys as so do men have sex with Wemen, come on babY!!!
I don't know if anyones interested but to test the calcium action potential thing I poked a trap in the rib away from the visible trigger hairs at the edge, then dipped the needle in "snail strong" Which contains Ca2+ ions, both times just about scratching the surface and on the second one it partially closed. Then to test it further I put a drop of snail strong on another trap and scratched the mid rib again resulting in closure this time faster than normal. Is this because of the poking or the calcium? Wolfmankurd 14:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I note the comments above under "Rewrite" and I do feel the article needs some information on how this plant evolved and from what. Or if proof exists that "God" created it one day, then that can go in too :0) BTW, I bought one to help solve a temporary fly problem here (no, not with my trousers) and after only a few days it has five ex-flies in its bellies. EdX20 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Referring to the "half evolved flytrap", perhaps this would explain a little? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocarnivorous_plant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.108.223 ( talk) 10:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02935.x/abstract -- This is a paper dealing with Venus Flytrap evolution. Just as a reference when this article is unprotected. MosheZadka ( talk) 22:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
A new website about Dionaea has been made ... flytrapgrowing.info. There are comments about it here and here.
Conveniently it has short articles which I have used as appropriate references on this page where there were none before. There's probably some other useful articles on there which could be added as references to the Wiki page too.
Woops, I forgot to log in last time! Womblina 01:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC) It also seems that my addition of references wasn't appreciated :( Apparently they aren't 'reliable'. But I assumed that a slightly unreliable reference was better than no reference at all. Anyone with the same opinion as me? Or am I on my own :( Womblina 01:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry but I am quite sure that the name Dionea doesn't come from Diana but from the name of the mother of Aphrodite/Venus, Dione. It is also true that these two names have the same etymology. To be clearer, Aphrodite and Dione could be synonymous -- 90.28.170.58 ( talk) 00:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
how long does the venus flytrap live for???? i need to know!
i've never seen 1 older than 4 yrs
Why is there no section on the etymology of "Venus flytrap"? From the above discussions, it appears there are differing theories. This would be an interesting and relevant section. 140.142.199.76 ( talk) 19:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In the habitat section, I removed the statement that said the Venus fly trap was the state flower of South Carolina. This is incorrect, the state flower of SC is the yellow Jessamine. Pprohas ( talk) 01:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
"Hydrogen ion is recommended by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry as a general term for all ions of hydrogen and its isotopes" - see Hydrogen ion. A Google search reveals that considerably more botanical articles use ions and ion flux in preference to protons. H+ denotes the provenance of the ion as being from Hydrogen, whereas proton is a sort of Deus ex machina with no hint as to where it originated. Rotational ( talk) 08:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone actually have a confirmed estimated lifetime that can be added to the wiki? My own VFT has been alive for over two years, flowered twice and yet to go through a 'winter dormancy period' since I purchased it which is apparently quite impressive. I doubt I can use it as a reference though... -- 78.149.139.71 ( talk) 21:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Are there any Venus Flytraps whose inner leaves glow in the dark? Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 05:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I wish someone with edit rights would fix the bit about their conservation being challenged by "full scale wars." Last was in the Carolinas was the Civil war, and I'm pretty sure there's no citations about how flytraps fared during it. 96.11.217.244 ( talk) 20:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Ubiquitousnewt
Why isn't this page titled according to the Latin? I haven't been on here in a while, but my imperfect recollection tells me the rule for plants on Wikipedia was that they should be titled by their Latin name. Dionaea isn't really a huge economic crop like cassava, for instance.-- ♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ ( talk) 17:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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A sentence under the heading "Evolution" currently reads, "Their carnivorous traps were evolutionarily selected for to allow these organisms to survive their harsh environments." It should be reworded at "for to" by whomever can do so, presumably simply omitting the "for". Tomekeeper ( talk) 17:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The section on "Prey Selectivity" is really inaccurate - the source reference has been misread or misunderstood. Will someone correct this? e.g. carnivorous plants do NOT select their prey - they trap and / or digest whatever triggers their specific capture and digestion mechanisms. Trapping structures have evolved to be particularly suited to certain sizes of prey found in their specific habitats, but the prey types (species) can be incredibly varied. So, Venus fly traps have evolved a mechanism which favours prey of certain sizes, but the optimum prey size depends entirely on the size of the specific trap. Also, its a bit oxymoronic to state that they select "specific" prey types, and then list their prey as actually being very broad (grasshoppers, beetles, spiders, the very unspecific category "flying insects", and ants). Note also that the source gives these categories as totalling just 83% of Dionea prey items. That leaves 17%, which can inlude any creature that blunders onto a trap surface - which must include any of the molluscs, myriapods, annelids, crustaceans, flatowrms, and even small amphibians and reptiles that share Dionea's habitat. If I can be given edit access I will be happy correct this section to better reflect the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.165.97 ( talk) 21:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It's just a very small adjustment in the File:Dionaea_muscipula_growth_time-lapse
I made it go faster File:Dionaea_muscipula_growth_time-lapse_faster.gif
I can not change it because the page is locked — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naberacka ( talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
the article says stochiastic reasons - this is not easy to understand. oerhaps a link to stochiastic processes could be provided OR if more appropriate the relevant evolution / stochiastic article in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.252.228 ( talk) 05:41, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
This article says the flytrap and another plant do in fact share a most recent common ancestor.
...that doesn't mean anything. Any two life forms have a most recent common ancestor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.194.67 ( talk) 00:01, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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Xandercom ( talk) 06:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
As a keen horticulturist with particular interest in Dionaea muscipula (venus fly trap) since childhood I have been fortunate enough to whiteness a natural mutation in a crop I own in which a second smaller trap has formed within a larger trap, essentially a mouth with another mouth inside it. It is a most interesting first hand experience of natural selection through random mutation and appropriate to the "evolution" section of this article. I can find no other instances of this occurrence in on-line offline documentation, and as such I would like for it to be documented in this article for reference in any future or past instances. My name is Xander David-Hugh of Brighton, UK. I'm unfamiliar with the correct format for such an entry into this article, and would be grateful for a more senior site contributor to appropriately format this addendum to the evolution section if at all possible. I've also uploaded and linked an image. Kindest regards, and many thanks in advance of your help in assisting my contribution
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There is a lot of lack of information in The classifications of Venus Fly Trap. If you could kindly put the Phyla Of The Venus Fly traps as "Tracheophyta" The class as "Magnoliopsida" and the subclass as "Dilleniidae"
So the Format is like this Kingdom: Plantae Phyla: Tracheophyta Class: Magnoliopsida Subclass: Dilleniidae Order: Nepenthales Family: Droseraceae Salisb Genus: Dionaea Species: muscipula Scientific name: Dionaea Muscipula
I really hope you can approve the changes im suggesting
Thank you for whom it may concern
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Hi. I completely respect your decision of denying my request. But my point here is students do not actually need the new kind of taxonomy/classification. Mostly the professors and the teachers prefer the students to find the older kind of taxonomy. And I could tell its a pain if sometimes the information is not found at the Wikipedia or the information is incomplete. I'm not expecting you to make the changes. But I'm just saying the needs of the majority. Thank you.
For whom it may concern.
Jayce03 ( talk) 06:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It can be added to the Evolution section that there are six origins of carnivory itself among the different groups of angiosperms, and that carnivory and stereotyped trap forms have arisen independently among different lineages of angiosperms. Also, it was found that flypaper traps share close common ancestry with all other trap forms. [1]
Also, this section... "The model proposes that plant carnivory by snap-trap evolved from the flypaper traps driven by increasing prey size. Bigger prey provides higher nutritional value, but large insects can easily escape the sticky mucilage of flypaper traps; the evolution of snap-traps would prevent escape and kleptoparasitism (theft of prey captured by the plant before it can derive benefit from it), and would also permit a more complete digestion.[20][21]" is not specifically correct as the experiment done by John Hutchens and James Luken found that there is no effect of trap size in relation to prey capture success and that the prey capture is opportunistic rather than selective. Therefore, the model that larger prey means more nutrition and thus larger traps would evolve, would not be correct in this evolutionary aspect. [2]
Thirdly, it can be added that the nerve-like sensory system of the Venus Fly-trap evolved about 135 million years ago in the Cretaceous period. Also, the Venus Fly-trap has an active steel trap, like that of "Aldrovandra", the water wheel plant. [3] Saridakis.5 ( talk) 19:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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Three ways this page could be improved are to talk about how the organism’s trap attracts and lures prey into its trap, to talk about and expand on how the plant developed a carnivorous trap in the first place, and to talk about what nutrients exactly the plant gains from digesting insects specifically that it could not acquire by other means Houchens.9 ( talk) 18:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens
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Please include in the evolution section of the article how the Venus flytrap attracts its prey to its carnivorous leaves. The following article I believe addresses this topic.
Jurgens, A.; El-Sayed, A.M.; and Suckling, D.M. “Do carnivorous plants use volatiles for attracting prey insects?” Functional Ecology. Published 18, Sept 2009. Accessed 14, Sept. 2014. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2435.2009.01626.x/full Houchens.9 ( talk) 02:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens Houchens.9 ( talk) 02:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback Leo, I will do what I can to get on that Houchens.9 ( talk) 03:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens
It can be added to the proposed evolutionary history: Due to recent research on the protein composition and DNA sequences, the Venus Fly Trap has been found to have proteins that are categorized as pathogenesis related proteins, suggesting that the plant's digestive system has evolved from defense-related processes. [1] During the evolution of carnivory in plants, there was likely a shift from a pathogen related response to a prey related response, and thus a shift from the hydrolysis and destruction of the pathogen to the hydrolysis and digestion of the prey. [2] It can be seen that through evolutionary time, the plants shifted from defending against insects to preying on them in order to better benefit the plant. Receiving nutrients from the insects instead of expelling energy solely to defend against them can be seen as a beneficial and thus a positive selection property of carnivory. Overall, through the use of deep sequencing of the transcriptome and proteomic analyses, unique hydrolytic enzymes were found, along with a high proportion of pathogenesis related proteins, suggesting that the capability of carnivorous plants to digest prey evolved from a less complex plant defense system. [3]
It can also be added to the evolution section that there is an opposing view of the evolution of the Venus Fly Trap. There is evidence that disagrees with the evolution of a larger trap length due solely to higher nutritional value from larger prey. It had been found that prey capture is opportunistic rather than selective and that there is no effect on trap size to prey capture success. [4] The evolution of trap size can be explained more simply that traps collect prey, whether large or small and since there are varying types of prey, larger ones are not necessarily more nutritious. [5] Saridakis.5 ( talk) 20:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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In the carnivory section, something like following could be inserted: In order for these traps to work, prey must actually come to them, a study in 2009 focused on how exactly carnivorous plants attract prey to its trap. This study concluded that it is possible that most carnivorous plants make use of a chemical substance in order to attract its prey. It also stated in the results of the study that the Venus flytrap emits a scent from its trap, even though it is relatively weak, in order to attract nectar-seeking insects from a close distance to feed on.
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help page).Jurgens, A.; El-Sayed, A.M.; and Suckling, D.M. 2009. Do carnivorous plants use volatiles for attracting prey insects? Functional Ecology, Volume 23, Issue 5. Accessed 14, Sept. 2014.
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Theft of naturally growing Venus Flytraps is now a felony offense in certain North Carolina counties. See. [1] User28412 ( talk) 16:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC) User28412 ( talk) 16:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello -
I simply want to address a minor error in the text. Under the "Conservation" section, there is a sentence that reads, "As of December 1st. 2014, the theft of..." This should actually read, "As of December 1, 2014, the theft of..."
I apologize if I'm using the incorrect outlet for this. I am new to Wikipedia and do not know to whom or how to address this.
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The timelapse video caption has a typo. "caching" should be "catching".
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Having grown flytraps for decades, I was surprised to learn that they eat mostly ground insects. I was even more surprised to find that they select their food. In checking the source (#10) I could find none of these claims. On page 32 it says exactly the opposite, in that the plants do not select their prey. The percentages of various insects they eat were apparently surmised, as the source only describes a sample of 14 traps inspected by Darwin, which is hardly enough to start drawing such conclusions from. The source mostly focuses on the size of the traps, which are generally twice as long as its common food source.
That seems consistent with my own observations. In my local area, the most common food source is yellow jackets, which are wasps roughly 1/2 to 3/4 inch long. Once the plant has matured a few years, the traps are roughly 1 to 2 inches long. They seem to love yellow jackets, by which I mean the things put up such a struggle that the trap will stay closed for a month. I've never seen one catch an ant, beetle or spider, just flies, mosquitos and bees. (I did have one bright-green and red spider hide on a plant, wait for it to catch a fly, and then snatch it out of the trap before it sealed up.)
Can someone point to a source which confirms the statements and numbers in the article. If not, then I think it should be changed to reflect what the source actually says. Zaereth ( talk) 01:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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It has been scientifically proven that it is found in the Rainforest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Drdla Melvin ( talk • contribs) 10:24, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Q: In the article it says that the seeds "require stratification to germinate". I'm not an experienced grower myself but I have have spoken to some who are and they seem to agree that stratification is not neccesary. Can anyone back this claim? yes those things are very important to the cycle.
Q: The statement in this article "It's very rare that a trap will catch even three insects in its lifetime" refers to one leaf trap, or the entire plant?
- AdunaicLayman
A: Statement applies to a single leaf. The plant's lifelime prey total can be quite large, depending on how many years it lives. Main article has been clarified. - Mr.Logic 15:45, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Q: Statement made that the plant is found in limited range in the Carolinas, but the muskeg of southeastern Alaska contains a lot Venus flytraps. I'm not a botanist, but I've been there and looked. And have pictures. 98.245.24.250 ( talk) 17:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)Ruas
While physicians, medical physicists and medical statisticians agree, or science demonstrates, that venus flytrap parts or extracts, among a whole host of other things, are not very effective at impeding or fighting cancers, there ought to be more information (instances of scandals perhaps) about how these parts or extracts are peddled as cures or as "better than" or "on par" with effective or accepted treatments. (I mention "accepted" because even the effectiveness, perhaps benefit, of accepted treatments can be debatable.) -- Lindberg 17:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindberg G Williams Jr ( talk • contribs)
In the opening paragraph, it says:
The plant's name refers to Venus, the Roman goddess of love, after an apparent similiarity between the plant's leaves and the male genitalia, and the plant's behavior, luring the unsuspecting to their deaths.
Should this be changed to say that the leaves are similar to female genitalia? Pkeck 16:36, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/venus-flytrap1.htm for one such mention, search the web for more.
Interesting information which could be incorporated. — Christiaan 21:54, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
== Huh? ==i dont get it what does it eat? The first paragraph says, A common US name for the plant is tipitiwitchet. I have never heard this name used before. Is this a regional thing? If so, what region? Or am I just lacking in knowledge on this issue? -- Adun 04:18, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
I've never heard it. It sounds British to me, although I am not sure. I live in the Midwest, where many strange names come from (like bubbler), and I've never heard it said. So I'm removing it. -- WikiFan04 Talk 20:28, 21 Aug 2005 (CDT)
well its native to North and South Carolina so odds are its a Carolina thing. I can't imagine such a particular common name arising anywhere else (i.e. where its not native) Jasongetsdown 21:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
"Tipitiwitchet" explanation here: [1] or rather here you mean: http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2880.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.252.228 ( talk) 05:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
in the Philippines' famous comic Darna w/c is used by the villain Flaviana turning Venus flytraps into a big monster as her defense.
What does w/c mean? Bill52270 01:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
"Tipitiwitchet" explaination here:
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Someone has edited Venus flytrap, by changing, erasing, and writing about the Man's Happy Place! -- Hurricane Devon ( Talk) 18:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Just another unimpressive vandalism attempt. Properly & quickly reverted. Mr.Logic 18:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I read that scientists put the Venus flytrap in a new family named Dionaeceae. -- Hurricane Devon ( Talk) 13:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
User:Methegreat did an edit claiming "Venus (Aphrodite) has nothing to do with plant life." I beg to differ, as does Britannica. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9075054?tocId=9075054 Venus was originally associated with fields & gardens, only later taking on the additional job description of love. If she isn't associated with plants, the name "Venus' Flytrap" makes no sense at all. - Mr.Logic 20:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I always heard the name had nothing to do with the goddess Venus. Instead, it was called a "Venus fly-trap" because it looked so bizarre it must have come from the planet Venus. I can't remember, though, where I read this. Rt66lt 23:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
There's some information on where the Venus flytrap got it's name from here ... How did the Venus flytrap get it's name Womblina 01:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the article so it flows better and doesn't constantly repeat and contradict itself. I have removed any unsubstantiated claims and added a few journal references. If anyone wants to add anything new, it'd be a lot more useful to expand the habitat section than to add yet another popular culture reference! The old article had more information about manga comics than about botany... polypompholyx 12:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
This is a plea for authors to think twice about adding anything else to the pop-culture section. It's already over-long and rambling: does anyone really want to know that something vaguely resembling a VFT had a bit-part in an episode of an obscure cartoon in 1989? There are much more important and encyclopaedic things that could be added, such as more detail of the plant's ecology and conservation status, etc. I am mightily tempted to leave the reference to Audrey in, and shunt the rest of it off to List of cameo appearances by Venus flytraps in cartoons or similar… polypompholyx 10:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have some images I took of my VFT closing in on a housefly. If these are useful, I would be glad to post them here with appropriate guidance on the formating, etc. You can see the images here: http://photobucket.com/albums/f326/ebeyonder/
I was chatting to a friend who said there is a theory that the Venus Flytrap, being monotypic and thus unrelated to any other plant originated from an extraterrestial source. That the plant was discovered in and around a large meteorite crater. Does this theory exist?→
I have read this exact same thing. Apparantly they grow in only one area naturally (as wiki shows). This is a 100 or so mile region surrounding a meteor crater...creepy eh?!
"The trigger hairs must be touched twice in quick succession (which prevents non-prey stimuli such as raindrops from triggering the trap)..."
Hmm, might all venus flytraps potentially have to pay royalties to Microsoft for using the Double-click technology? *snicker*
Please add a mention of the fact that Dionaea muscipula is fire-tolerant and fire-dependent. It depends on fire to control larger plants that would otherwise outcompete it. Carlaclaws 22:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Very obvious question: Do you have any sources for this claim?
Sorry, thought I posted these:
"The growth form of Dionaea as a rosette with leaves close to the ground makes this plant less competitive against grasses and shrubs. Following fire, Dionaea may be highly abundant for 3–5 years until shrubs and monocotyledonous plants overtop the small rosette plants. Thus this species is restricted to early successional stages after fire (Roberts and Oosting, 1958)"-Quantification of insect nitrogen utilization by the venus fly trap Dionaea muscipula catching prey with highly variable isotope signatures, W. Schulze, E.D. Schulze, I. Schulze, and R. Oren, Journal of Experimental Botany, Vol. 52, No. 358, pp. 1041-1049, May 1, 2001 © 2001 Oxford University Press (available online at [ [3]]
Also:
"The ecosystem that supports Venus flytraps experiences frequent fires that clear out competing plants and volatilize nitrogen in the soil. Hence, Venus flytraps have a corner on the nitrogen market immediately following fire, when they obtain three quarters of their nitrogen supply from insect prey. If fire does not reoccur within 10 years, however, competition with other plants restricts the Venus flytrap’s access to light and insects, and populations begin to decline."-Lissa Leege, Asst. Professor of Biology, Georgia Southern University, Scientific American, December 2002. Carlaclaws 21:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A WEB DIRECTORY
I deleted the link to the "Venus Fly Trap Photo Blog" It's a Live Journal that is rarely updated. The blog is more about the author's personal problems (and consequent apologizing for sporadic/shitty updates) than it is about the plants, the horticulture. Also, "photo blog" is laughable. 99% of the photos in this blog are so tiny, they are utterly useless (I'm talking 100x100 LJ icon size here!).
"Huge, colorful gallery" ????? LMAO , WHERE? There's nothing there, and even if there were, it's nothing that can't be found with a google search.
Did anyone actually READ this blog before submitting it to wikipedia? Outrageous.
I can't imagine how this crappy little LiveJournal made it into the external links for an encyclopedia article (maybe the author being a cute asian girl has something to do with it, eh?) but this is a real joke. I removed the link. I sincerely doubt anyone can provide a good argument as to why this crappy link should be included in the article. Wikipedia is not a web directory, and this Live Journal link CANNOT be taken seriously as a reference or useful external link. It's utterly useless.
I think these traps are sexy because thay trap flys as so do men have sex with Wemen, come on babY!!!
I don't know if anyones interested but to test the calcium action potential thing I poked a trap in the rib away from the visible trigger hairs at the edge, then dipped the needle in "snail strong" Which contains Ca2+ ions, both times just about scratching the surface and on the second one it partially closed. Then to test it further I put a drop of snail strong on another trap and scratched the mid rib again resulting in closure this time faster than normal. Is this because of the poking or the calcium? Wolfmankurd 14:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I note the comments above under "Rewrite" and I do feel the article needs some information on how this plant evolved and from what. Or if proof exists that "God" created it one day, then that can go in too :0) BTW, I bought one to help solve a temporary fly problem here (no, not with my trousers) and after only a few days it has five ex-flies in its bellies. EdX20 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Referring to the "half evolved flytrap", perhaps this would explain a little? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocarnivorous_plant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.108.223 ( talk) 10:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02935.x/abstract -- This is a paper dealing with Venus Flytrap evolution. Just as a reference when this article is unprotected. MosheZadka ( talk) 22:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
A new website about Dionaea has been made ... flytrapgrowing.info. There are comments about it here and here.
Conveniently it has short articles which I have used as appropriate references on this page where there were none before. There's probably some other useful articles on there which could be added as references to the Wiki page too.
Woops, I forgot to log in last time! Womblina 01:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC) It also seems that my addition of references wasn't appreciated :( Apparently they aren't 'reliable'. But I assumed that a slightly unreliable reference was better than no reference at all. Anyone with the same opinion as me? Or am I on my own :( Womblina 01:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry but I am quite sure that the name Dionea doesn't come from Diana but from the name of the mother of Aphrodite/Venus, Dione. It is also true that these two names have the same etymology. To be clearer, Aphrodite and Dione could be synonymous -- 90.28.170.58 ( talk) 00:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
how long does the venus flytrap live for???? i need to know!
i've never seen 1 older than 4 yrs
Why is there no section on the etymology of "Venus flytrap"? From the above discussions, it appears there are differing theories. This would be an interesting and relevant section. 140.142.199.76 ( talk) 19:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In the habitat section, I removed the statement that said the Venus fly trap was the state flower of South Carolina. This is incorrect, the state flower of SC is the yellow Jessamine. Pprohas ( talk) 01:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
"Hydrogen ion is recommended by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry as a general term for all ions of hydrogen and its isotopes" - see Hydrogen ion. A Google search reveals that considerably more botanical articles use ions and ion flux in preference to protons. H+ denotes the provenance of the ion as being from Hydrogen, whereas proton is a sort of Deus ex machina with no hint as to where it originated. Rotational ( talk) 08:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone actually have a confirmed estimated lifetime that can be added to the wiki? My own VFT has been alive for over two years, flowered twice and yet to go through a 'winter dormancy period' since I purchased it which is apparently quite impressive. I doubt I can use it as a reference though... -- 78.149.139.71 ( talk) 21:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Are there any Venus Flytraps whose inner leaves glow in the dark? Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 05:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I wish someone with edit rights would fix the bit about their conservation being challenged by "full scale wars." Last was in the Carolinas was the Civil war, and I'm pretty sure there's no citations about how flytraps fared during it. 96.11.217.244 ( talk) 20:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Ubiquitousnewt
Why isn't this page titled according to the Latin? I haven't been on here in a while, but my imperfect recollection tells me the rule for plants on Wikipedia was that they should be titled by their Latin name. Dionaea isn't really a huge economic crop like cassava, for instance.-- ♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ ( talk) 17:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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A sentence under the heading "Evolution" currently reads, "Their carnivorous traps were evolutionarily selected for to allow these organisms to survive their harsh environments." It should be reworded at "for to" by whomever can do so, presumably simply omitting the "for". Tomekeeper ( talk) 17:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The section on "Prey Selectivity" is really inaccurate - the source reference has been misread or misunderstood. Will someone correct this? e.g. carnivorous plants do NOT select their prey - they trap and / or digest whatever triggers their specific capture and digestion mechanisms. Trapping structures have evolved to be particularly suited to certain sizes of prey found in their specific habitats, but the prey types (species) can be incredibly varied. So, Venus fly traps have evolved a mechanism which favours prey of certain sizes, but the optimum prey size depends entirely on the size of the specific trap. Also, its a bit oxymoronic to state that they select "specific" prey types, and then list their prey as actually being very broad (grasshoppers, beetles, spiders, the very unspecific category "flying insects", and ants). Note also that the source gives these categories as totalling just 83% of Dionea prey items. That leaves 17%, which can inlude any creature that blunders onto a trap surface - which must include any of the molluscs, myriapods, annelids, crustaceans, flatowrms, and even small amphibians and reptiles that share Dionea's habitat. If I can be given edit access I will be happy correct this section to better reflect the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.165.97 ( talk) 21:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It's just a very small adjustment in the File:Dionaea_muscipula_growth_time-lapse
I made it go faster File:Dionaea_muscipula_growth_time-lapse_faster.gif
I can not change it because the page is locked — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naberacka ( talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
the article says stochiastic reasons - this is not easy to understand. oerhaps a link to stochiastic processes could be provided OR if more appropriate the relevant evolution / stochiastic article in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.252.228 ( talk) 05:41, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
This article says the flytrap and another plant do in fact share a most recent common ancestor.
...that doesn't mean anything. Any two life forms have a most recent common ancestor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.194.67 ( talk) 00:01, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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As a keen horticulturist with particular interest in Dionaea muscipula (venus fly trap) since childhood I have been fortunate enough to whiteness a natural mutation in a crop I own in which a second smaller trap has formed within a larger trap, essentially a mouth with another mouth inside it. It is a most interesting first hand experience of natural selection through random mutation and appropriate to the "evolution" section of this article. I can find no other instances of this occurrence in on-line offline documentation, and as such I would like for it to be documented in this article for reference in any future or past instances. My name is Xander David-Hugh of Brighton, UK. I'm unfamiliar with the correct format for such an entry into this article, and would be grateful for a more senior site contributor to appropriately format this addendum to the evolution section if at all possible. I've also uploaded and linked an image. Kindest regards, and many thanks in advance of your help in assisting my contribution
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There is a lot of lack of information in The classifications of Venus Fly Trap. If you could kindly put the Phyla Of The Venus Fly traps as "Tracheophyta" The class as "Magnoliopsida" and the subclass as "Dilleniidae"
So the Format is like this Kingdom: Plantae Phyla: Tracheophyta Class: Magnoliopsida Subclass: Dilleniidae Order: Nepenthales Family: Droseraceae Salisb Genus: Dionaea Species: muscipula Scientific name: Dionaea Muscipula
I really hope you can approve the changes im suggesting
Thank you for whom it may concern
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Hi. I completely respect your decision of denying my request. But my point here is students do not actually need the new kind of taxonomy/classification. Mostly the professors and the teachers prefer the students to find the older kind of taxonomy. And I could tell its a pain if sometimes the information is not found at the Wikipedia or the information is incomplete. I'm not expecting you to make the changes. But I'm just saying the needs of the majority. Thank you.
For whom it may concern.
Jayce03 ( talk) 06:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It can be added to the Evolution section that there are six origins of carnivory itself among the different groups of angiosperms, and that carnivory and stereotyped trap forms have arisen independently among different lineages of angiosperms. Also, it was found that flypaper traps share close common ancestry with all other trap forms. [1]
Also, this section... "The model proposes that plant carnivory by snap-trap evolved from the flypaper traps driven by increasing prey size. Bigger prey provides higher nutritional value, but large insects can easily escape the sticky mucilage of flypaper traps; the evolution of snap-traps would prevent escape and kleptoparasitism (theft of prey captured by the plant before it can derive benefit from it), and would also permit a more complete digestion.[20][21]" is not specifically correct as the experiment done by John Hutchens and James Luken found that there is no effect of trap size in relation to prey capture success and that the prey capture is opportunistic rather than selective. Therefore, the model that larger prey means more nutrition and thus larger traps would evolve, would not be correct in this evolutionary aspect. [2]
Thirdly, it can be added that the nerve-like sensory system of the Venus Fly-trap evolved about 135 million years ago in the Cretaceous period. Also, the Venus Fly-trap has an active steel trap, like that of "Aldrovandra", the water wheel plant. [3] Saridakis.5 ( talk) 19:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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Three ways this page could be improved are to talk about how the organism’s trap attracts and lures prey into its trap, to talk about and expand on how the plant developed a carnivorous trap in the first place, and to talk about what nutrients exactly the plant gains from digesting insects specifically that it could not acquire by other means Houchens.9 ( talk) 18:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens
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Please include in the evolution section of the article how the Venus flytrap attracts its prey to its carnivorous leaves. The following article I believe addresses this topic.
Jurgens, A.; El-Sayed, A.M.; and Suckling, D.M. “Do carnivorous plants use volatiles for attracting prey insects?” Functional Ecology. Published 18, Sept 2009. Accessed 14, Sept. 2014. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2435.2009.01626.x/full Houchens.9 ( talk) 02:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens Houchens.9 ( talk) 02:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback Leo, I will do what I can to get on that Houchens.9 ( talk) 03:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)Willie Houchens
It can be added to the proposed evolutionary history: Due to recent research on the protein composition and DNA sequences, the Venus Fly Trap has been found to have proteins that are categorized as pathogenesis related proteins, suggesting that the plant's digestive system has evolved from defense-related processes. [1] During the evolution of carnivory in plants, there was likely a shift from a pathogen related response to a prey related response, and thus a shift from the hydrolysis and destruction of the pathogen to the hydrolysis and digestion of the prey. [2] It can be seen that through evolutionary time, the plants shifted from defending against insects to preying on them in order to better benefit the plant. Receiving nutrients from the insects instead of expelling energy solely to defend against them can be seen as a beneficial and thus a positive selection property of carnivory. Overall, through the use of deep sequencing of the transcriptome and proteomic analyses, unique hydrolytic enzymes were found, along with a high proportion of pathogenesis related proteins, suggesting that the capability of carnivorous plants to digest prey evolved from a less complex plant defense system. [3]
It can also be added to the evolution section that there is an opposing view of the evolution of the Venus Fly Trap. There is evidence that disagrees with the evolution of a larger trap length due solely to higher nutritional value from larger prey. It had been found that prey capture is opportunistic rather than selective and that there is no effect on trap size to prey capture success. [4] The evolution of trap size can be explained more simply that traps collect prey, whether large or small and since there are varying types of prey, larger ones are not necessarily more nutritious. [5] Saridakis.5 ( talk) 20:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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In the carnivory section, something like following could be inserted: In order for these traps to work, prey must actually come to them, a study in 2009 focused on how exactly carnivorous plants attract prey to its trap. This study concluded that it is possible that most carnivorous plants make use of a chemical substance in order to attract its prey. It also stated in the results of the study that the Venus flytrap emits a scent from its trap, even though it is relatively weak, in order to attract nectar-seeking insects from a close distance to feed on.
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Theft of naturally growing Venus Flytraps is now a felony offense in certain North Carolina counties. See. [1] User28412 ( talk) 16:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC) User28412 ( talk) 16:06, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello -
I simply want to address a minor error in the text. Under the "Conservation" section, there is a sentence that reads, "As of December 1st. 2014, the theft of..." This should actually read, "As of December 1, 2014, the theft of..."
I apologize if I'm using the incorrect outlet for this. I am new to Wikipedia and do not know to whom or how to address this.
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The timelapse video caption has a typo. "caching" should be "catching".
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Having grown flytraps for decades, I was surprised to learn that they eat mostly ground insects. I was even more surprised to find that they select their food. In checking the source (#10) I could find none of these claims. On page 32 it says exactly the opposite, in that the plants do not select their prey. The percentages of various insects they eat were apparently surmised, as the source only describes a sample of 14 traps inspected by Darwin, which is hardly enough to start drawing such conclusions from. The source mostly focuses on the size of the traps, which are generally twice as long as its common food source.
That seems consistent with my own observations. In my local area, the most common food source is yellow jackets, which are wasps roughly 1/2 to 3/4 inch long. Once the plant has matured a few years, the traps are roughly 1 to 2 inches long. They seem to love yellow jackets, by which I mean the things put up such a struggle that the trap will stay closed for a month. I've never seen one catch an ant, beetle or spider, just flies, mosquitos and bees. (I did have one bright-green and red spider hide on a plant, wait for it to catch a fly, and then snatch it out of the trap before it sealed up.)
Can someone point to a source which confirms the statements and numbers in the article. If not, then I think it should be changed to reflect what the source actually says. Zaereth ( talk) 01:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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