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For more information, you may contact Mr. T. Henry at chumash-at-timhenry-dot-org. A scholar by the name of Kenneth Whistler has also researched this language extensively. Contact information for him cannot be found at this time.
By Wikipedia convention, language articles usually have the name "X language", especially if the name of the language is an adjective or if the ethnic group speaking the language is known by the same name. If the tribe who spoke Ventureño are/were also called the Ventureño, then this article should be moved to Ventureño language. — An gr 05:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Should mention that this language has possibly the most clearly attested base 4 counting system. I added something to Quaternary numeral system... AnonMoos ( talk) 11:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Postalveolar and palatal places of articulation are different. It is important to distinguish both places when a language has consonants at each, whether or not there are contrasting consonants with the same manner of articulation at both places. (See Ladefoged and Maddieson 1996 "The Sounds of the World's Languages" for a detailed description of all places of articulation.) It is important to distinguish between these two places for the following reasons:
(1) Some indigenous languages of the Americas DO have true palatal stops, such as Sierra Popoluca, and it obscures facts to list postalveolar (a.k.a. palatoalveolar) stops and affricates as palatal in languages where that is not the case
(2) The English 'esh' ('sh' as in 'ship') is not palatal; it is postalveolar (palatoalveolar). To list other languages as having an 'sh' sound at a different place of articulation makes them appear unnecessarily (and inaccurately) exotic.
(3) There are well-known languages with both postalveolar and true palatal fricatives -- compare German 'fisch' with 'ich'!
(4) There are languages with palatal, postalveolar, alveolar, and dental consonants (fricatives, affricates, stops) contrasting, such as White Hmong
Deseretian ( talk) 17:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
In the table of number-words, it's not visually obvious what goes with what. I'm going to redesign it.
It seems to me that the break is at 12, not 17. Where the construction of a number-phrase is transparent, should we insert a breakdown, or count on the reader to spot the pattern?
— Tamfang ( talk) 19:57, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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11:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
San Buenaventura language. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 12#San Buenaventura language until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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09:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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For more information, you may contact Mr. T. Henry at chumash-at-timhenry-dot-org. A scholar by the name of Kenneth Whistler has also researched this language extensively. Contact information for him cannot be found at this time.
By Wikipedia convention, language articles usually have the name "X language", especially if the name of the language is an adjective or if the ethnic group speaking the language is known by the same name. If the tribe who spoke Ventureño are/were also called the Ventureño, then this article should be moved to Ventureño language. — An gr 05:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Should mention that this language has possibly the most clearly attested base 4 counting system. I added something to Quaternary numeral system... AnonMoos ( talk) 11:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Postalveolar and palatal places of articulation are different. It is important to distinguish both places when a language has consonants at each, whether or not there are contrasting consonants with the same manner of articulation at both places. (See Ladefoged and Maddieson 1996 "The Sounds of the World's Languages" for a detailed description of all places of articulation.) It is important to distinguish between these two places for the following reasons:
(1) Some indigenous languages of the Americas DO have true palatal stops, such as Sierra Popoluca, and it obscures facts to list postalveolar (a.k.a. palatoalveolar) stops and affricates as palatal in languages where that is not the case
(2) The English 'esh' ('sh' as in 'ship') is not palatal; it is postalveolar (palatoalveolar). To list other languages as having an 'sh' sound at a different place of articulation makes them appear unnecessarily (and inaccurately) exotic.
(3) There are well-known languages with both postalveolar and true palatal fricatives -- compare German 'fisch' with 'ich'!
(4) There are languages with palatal, postalveolar, alveolar, and dental consonants (fricatives, affricates, stops) contrasting, such as White Hmong
Deseretian ( talk) 17:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
In the table of number-words, it's not visually obvious what goes with what. I'm going to redesign it.
It seems to me that the break is at 12, not 17. Where the construction of a number-phrase is transparent, should we insert a breakdown, or count on the reader to spot the pattern?
— Tamfang ( talk) 19:57, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Buenaventura language. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 11#Buenaventura language until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
11:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
San Buenaventura language. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 12#San Buenaventura language until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
09:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)