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It is stated that the norse Holmgard should be translated to island garden in English. However, gard has a much wider meaning than just garden, eg. farm and area. Also holm has more meanings. Besides being an island, a holm can be a small plateau. See Danish Holm (ø). Hence Holmgard and Holmgrad can have more or less the same meaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortengrud ( talk • contribs) 12:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, the article fails even to mention the fact that the Nestor Chronicle (or whatever the name is in English) mentions two Slavonic and three "Finnish" tribes (Finnic speaking) as the founders of Novgorod, instead the city is represented as "purely Slavic". Is there a good reason for that? Should I write something about it?
Why isn't there more mention of the massacre made by Tsar upon the population ? It completely ruined the city. -- Molobo 23:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Four Viking kings — Olav I of Norway, Olav II of Norway, Magnus I of Norway, and Harald Haardraade is wrong at least harald was one of the vikings most importnt enemies. Read the saga as about Harald. He attacked them again and again, and finally drove them to Iceland. The other three are also doubtful, he word viking is used in its old national romacy style from 1800, but is not relevent.
Harald I was one of the most mentioned enemies of vikings that history knows.
Dan Koehl 11:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Rurik, the founder of Novgorod Principality is also mentioned by names Ruri, Rurikka and Hraerekr. Non of Slavonic origin. Novgorod was also called Kalmogor (Vatja name), Holmgord (Scandinavian name), Uuslinn (Estonian name), Uuslinna (Finnish name). Listed by Arabian Ibn Dustah from Bagdad Kalifate who visited there c. 880-890. Non of Slavonic origin.
Oleg is also mentioned by names Olav (Olaf), and Olavi. Both names non of Slavonic origin.
The first attackers from Holmgord toward south to Kvenugard (Kiev) in 865 were Askold and Dir. Also Askola and Tiera (Finnish) and Höskuldr and Dyri (ancient Scandinavian). Non of Slavonic origin.
Merja and Ves (Veps / Vepsä) are names of Finnic origin, not Slav, tribes.
Isborsk is derived Russian name from Issa (Big) Veps name. Setu tribe had also their own name to Isborsk, ancient Ispora. (Isopuro in Finnish).
JN
Both forms Veliky and Velikiy can be found from the net, but I was unable to find an ultimate reference to confirm which one is right. Veliky is used in addition to Wikipedia at least in Novgorod State University site. Velikiy is used at least in http://www.novgorod.ru/english/, Encyclopædia Britannica, Google Maps, Wolfram Alpha. What is the source in this article to determine the correct form to be Veliky? Ketorin ( talk) 20:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
The city's airports Yurievo and Krechevitsy do not serve any regular flights since the middle 1990s.
Airport Yurievo no longer exists. In its place at the moment is the construction of residential houses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.54.65.113 ( talk) 14:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is this name not translated like Newtown? -- Ячсмак ( talk) 19:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
In Kyiv it was asserted in the '90s that the destruction of churches during the Second World War had actually been performed by retreating Soviet troops, not German (or Axis) ones...has anyone heard anything similar about Novgorod and/or Russia? It makes sense, insofar as the communists were much more anti-religious than the fascists... Historian932 ( talk) 22:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Why is there no map for such a significant geographic location? Are we supposed to use our imaginations? Or are we supposed to go offsite to another encyclopaedia? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 21:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
TimothyBlue, you're right that the relevant guideline for your addition is WP:SEEALSO and not WP:EL. Still, I don't think that adding wikilinks to bibliography articles is justified. The guideline says as follows
“ | links in this section should be relevant and limited to a reasonable number. Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article or be in the same defining category. For example, the article on Jesus might include a link to List of people claimed to be Jesus because it is related to the subject but not otherwise linked in the article. The article on Tacos might include Fajita as another example of a Mexican cuisine. | ” |
The bibliography articles you've added are not directly relevant as they are about the Russian history in general. Also, if you look at other articles about cities you will never see anything like this so it's also inconsistent. Alaexis ¿question? 07:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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It is stated that the norse Holmgard should be translated to island garden in English. However, gard has a much wider meaning than just garden, eg. farm and area. Also holm has more meanings. Besides being an island, a holm can be a small plateau. See Danish Holm (ø). Hence Holmgard and Holmgrad can have more or less the same meaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortengrud ( talk • contribs) 12:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, the article fails even to mention the fact that the Nestor Chronicle (or whatever the name is in English) mentions two Slavonic and three "Finnish" tribes (Finnic speaking) as the founders of Novgorod, instead the city is represented as "purely Slavic". Is there a good reason for that? Should I write something about it?
Why isn't there more mention of the massacre made by Tsar upon the population ? It completely ruined the city. -- Molobo 23:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Four Viking kings — Olav I of Norway, Olav II of Norway, Magnus I of Norway, and Harald Haardraade is wrong at least harald was one of the vikings most importnt enemies. Read the saga as about Harald. He attacked them again and again, and finally drove them to Iceland. The other three are also doubtful, he word viking is used in its old national romacy style from 1800, but is not relevent.
Harald I was one of the most mentioned enemies of vikings that history knows.
Dan Koehl 11:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Rurik, the founder of Novgorod Principality is also mentioned by names Ruri, Rurikka and Hraerekr. Non of Slavonic origin. Novgorod was also called Kalmogor (Vatja name), Holmgord (Scandinavian name), Uuslinn (Estonian name), Uuslinna (Finnish name). Listed by Arabian Ibn Dustah from Bagdad Kalifate who visited there c. 880-890. Non of Slavonic origin.
Oleg is also mentioned by names Olav (Olaf), and Olavi. Both names non of Slavonic origin.
The first attackers from Holmgord toward south to Kvenugard (Kiev) in 865 were Askold and Dir. Also Askola and Tiera (Finnish) and Höskuldr and Dyri (ancient Scandinavian). Non of Slavonic origin.
Merja and Ves (Veps / Vepsä) are names of Finnic origin, not Slav, tribes.
Isborsk is derived Russian name from Issa (Big) Veps name. Setu tribe had also their own name to Isborsk, ancient Ispora. (Isopuro in Finnish).
JN
Both forms Veliky and Velikiy can be found from the net, but I was unable to find an ultimate reference to confirm which one is right. Veliky is used in addition to Wikipedia at least in Novgorod State University site. Velikiy is used at least in http://www.novgorod.ru/english/, Encyclopædia Britannica, Google Maps, Wolfram Alpha. What is the source in this article to determine the correct form to be Veliky? Ketorin ( talk) 20:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
The city's airports Yurievo and Krechevitsy do not serve any regular flights since the middle 1990s.
Airport Yurievo no longer exists. In its place at the moment is the construction of residential houses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.54.65.113 ( talk) 14:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is this name not translated like Newtown? -- Ячсмак ( talk) 19:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
In Kyiv it was asserted in the '90s that the destruction of churches during the Second World War had actually been performed by retreating Soviet troops, not German (or Axis) ones...has anyone heard anything similar about Novgorod and/or Russia? It makes sense, insofar as the communists were much more anti-religious than the fascists... Historian932 ( talk) 22:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Why is there no map for such a significant geographic location? Are we supposed to use our imaginations? Or are we supposed to go offsite to another encyclopaedia? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 21:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
TimothyBlue, you're right that the relevant guideline for your addition is WP:SEEALSO and not WP:EL. Still, I don't think that adding wikilinks to bibliography articles is justified. The guideline says as follows
“ | links in this section should be relevant and limited to a reasonable number. Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article or be in the same defining category. For example, the article on Jesus might include a link to List of people claimed to be Jesus because it is related to the subject but not otherwise linked in the article. The article on Tacos might include Fajita as another example of a Mexican cuisine. | ” |
The bibliography articles you've added are not directly relevant as they are about the Russian history in general. Also, if you look at other articles about cities you will never see anything like this so it's also inconsistent. Alaexis ¿question? 07:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)